[00:14] hey valorie [01:24] lordievader, you on? [06:11] ahoneybun: Pong. I'm now for a bit. [06:44] * jussi waves to lordievader [06:44] * lordievader waves back to jussi [07:51] good morning [07:52] somone up to verify one thing ? [07:59] soee: what do you need? [08:00] jussi: are you now on 14.04 ? :) [08:01] on the personal pc, yest [08:02] i have strange issue second time last days, it looks like some updates breaks oxygen stlye for application, so the window decoration are fine but the application body uses CDE style somehow and oxygen is missing on the list [08:05] soee: urgh. my themes/styles are so mesed up/customized I probably wont be much use to you [08:05] soee: have you verified nothing got held back etc? (checked that kubuntu-desktop is installed) [08:24] jussi: the reason was kubuntu updates ppa for trusty [08:24] i purget it updates, removed it and all works fine [08:24] heh [09:47] ahoneybun: great, but "I only have half the head on purpose" how come? [10:08] ahoneybun, Riddell if you need help with this banner i can ask my friend [10:08] he know all about this :) [10:08] *knows [10:32] ScottK: how would I go about getting something synced from debian at this point? FFe request + sync request? (https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/libepoxy) [10:32] Riddell: ^ [10:33] apachelogger: if it has got new features yes, else just sync request [10:33] kthx [10:34] Riddell: it's a new lib [10:36] apachelogger: then yes, FFe and sync request can be same bug report [10:43] ::workspace-bugs:: [1274219] can't resize maximised windows / kubuntu @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1274219 (by SA) [10:52] \o [11:00] morning Quintasan! [11:18] ScottK, Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1287133 [11:18] Launchpad bug 1287133 in Ubuntu "FFe: Sync libepoxy 1.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] [11:19] FWIW requestsync actually has a FFe switch :) [11:29] oh good to know [11:32] apachelogger: bug 1287133 approved, are you able to sync or do you need me to do it? [11:32] bug 1287133 in Ubuntu "FFe: Sync libepoxy 1.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1287133 [11:32] Riddell: I'll do it, thanks [11:36] yofel: I'm adding kf5 support to kubuntu-automation [11:37] Riddell: k, I didn't get to it, sorry [11:41] ::runtime-bugs:: [1286561] kcmshell4 filetypes suddenly starts crashing @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1286561 (by andschuster) [11:41] Riddell: bug 1285707 did that ever work? [11:41] bug 1285707 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu Netbook OEM install does not create a 'prepare for shipping' icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285707 [11:42] I did not find any logic for that at all [11:42] oh [11:42] Riddell: found it [11:43] #apacheloggerfail [11:46] yeah it used to [11:46] didn't replicate the logic when dropping the favorites patch [11:46] mm [11:51] oh there's new api [11:51] what a drag, could have repliacted the patch much easier [11:55] plasma-netbook gets changes? [12:03] something wrong with tomahawk [12:03] Riddell: the general scripting api did [12:03] might have been a while ago though, it's not like we write scripts every cycle ^^ [12:04] syncpackage: Request succeeded; you should get an e-mail once it is processed. [12:05] Riddell: do you need to approve something on the archive side? [12:05] been waiting for that email for like half an hour [12:05] apachelogger: hmm i'll check new [12:05] apachelogger: yeah it's in new [12:05] k [12:05] * Riddell accepts [12:05] thx [12:09] Hiyas all [12:25] Riddell: do you have a netbook install at hand? [12:28] apachelogger: I could get one [12:29] Riddell: the changes I am doing will need some verifiction [12:29] virtualbox also likes to use netbook screen size for some reason [12:29] rather excessive, but much more reliable [12:29] Riddell: oh, never had that ^^ [12:30] got my netbook here, let me know what I need to test [12:30] actually, I am not sure how to test it ^^ [12:30] Riddell: might just as well wait for tomorrows image [12:30] closer verification anyway [12:33] Riddell: any idea when the new frameworks will be up? [12:33] Riddell: bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1285707 fix uploaded, needs verifiction of all possible setups though as the entire creation logic changed [12:33] Launchpad bug 1285707 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu Netbook OEM install does not create a 'prepare for shipping' icon" [Undecided,In progress] [12:36] sgclark: it's on depot now but I'm working on automating it as much as possible [12:36] apachelogger++ [12:36] shadeslayer: there is something very wrong with tomahawk [12:36] (other than the fact that the package contains headers :S) [12:38] apachelogger: oh? [12:39] Riddell, I copy the one half so I need to get that side right first [12:44] ahoneybun: I don't understand, why chop if off in the middle? [12:45] shadeslayer: did you guys even test it? [12:45] I made a mirror image [12:46] shadeslayer: it's installing plugins as multiarch, even though it is not capable of handling multiarch for plugins [12:46] Riddell, http://imgur.com/PQZzYF5 [12:46] I am not quite sure why it does that though [12:47] I am unsure if I tested it :S [12:47] apachelogger: ooh that's nicer :) [12:49] shadeslayer: bug 1287163 [12:49] bug 1287163 in tomahawk (Ubuntu) "tomahawk 0.7 plugin loading broken" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1287163 [12:50] epic screw up that is [12:50] also it crashes on first start, might be related, might not, haven't looked into that yet [12:50] ahoneybun: Riddell says ooh that's nicer :P [12:51] lol [12:51] Riddell, ahoneybun: FWIW that thar looks like the symbol of some cult [12:51] very creepy [12:51] that is true a bit [12:51] but that is tahr [12:52] shadeslayer: google form test case writing later? [12:53] Timeout error [12:53] Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. [12:54] I do wonder how much time of my life was spent waiting for launchpad to time out [12:56] Riddell: bug 1285705 -> http://i.imgur.com/n6Ps8tZ.png [12:56] bug 1285705 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kubuntu: read release notes not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285705 [12:56] the themeness is indeed a bit silly,but I don't get an error [12:56] equally silly is that you cannot close the window through the window decoration ^^ [12:56] agateau: ^ opinions? [12:57] maybe we should simply create a qwebview inside ubiquity? [12:57] * agateau reads [12:58] shadeslayer: Riddell: bug 1273413 ... why is that our bug? [12:58] bug 1273413 in upower (Ubuntu) "no suspend available without pm-utils" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273413 [12:58] apachelogger: sure @ test case writing [12:58] apachelogger: I forgot to to untag [12:58] shadeslayer: ok, will poke you later, around 5? [12:58] but it's a upower bug [12:58] apachelogger: sure [12:58] k [12:58] * apachelogger untags bug [12:58] apachelogger: already done [12:59] apachelogger: because we're the only ones who care about it? [12:59] apachelogger: embedding the page would be cleaner, as long as it does not provide too much links to follow (in which case a real browser with back/forward buttons would be better) [13:00] apachelogger: but it's quite late to introduce that now, right? [13:00] *shrug* [13:00] agateau: not that late :P [13:00] apachelogger: regarding the close button, that's my ubiquity-specific kwinrc file :/ I assume it can be tuned to only affect the Ubiquity window? [13:01] agateau: yeah, that'd work [13:01] we can also try to make firefox work [13:01] what do you mean with "make firefox work"? the theme? [13:01] aye [13:01] although [13:02] agateau: we do need to load qwebview so perhaps a simple builtin browser (with back button and home button) would be more suitable either way [13:02] I can look into showing the release notes in the window, but does the current installer really points to kubuntu.org/news? [13:02] links on the release page are usually limited to additional information pages (kde release pages, blog posts, bug reports) [13:03] agateau: yeah, not sure why [13:03] that's useless IMO [13:03] yes [13:03] might be because the final url doesn't exist yet ^^ [13:03] anyway, I vote for simply qwebview wiht forward and home button buit into ubiquity [13:04] saves RAMz and avoids us having to continusily fiddle with themeing [13:04] apachelogger: the point of opening external browser, is that user should be able to continue installation and read notes in the other window.... [13:04] xnox: ah [13:04] apachelogger: specifically under "try ubuntu" installation as well.... [13:04] xnox: good point [13:04] agateau: we'll need to figure out theming ^^ [13:04] \o/ [13:05] haha [13:05] apachelogger: and there are wrappers to drop priviledges before launching external urls. [13:05] apachelogger: UbuntuUnityHack.cpp [13:05] apachelogger: i guess it is simply not applied / hooked up. [13:05] even better "This file is part of Clementine." [13:05] xD [13:05] that might well be [13:05] agateau: ^ [13:05] shadeslayer: hm? [13:05] Riddell: bug 988991 ... we don't use debconf-kde [13:05] bug 988991 in debconf (Ubuntu) "debconf does not working on KDE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/988991 [13:05] apachelogger: tomahawk/src/UbuntuUnityHack.cpp :P [13:06] ah yes [13:06] I do recall debugging something with the tomahawk tray icon [13:06] I think the problem is something to do with sni-qt and how unity works [13:06] I do recall breaking clementine tray icon with sni-qt :) [13:06] obscure issues as always :/ [13:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7027377/ [13:07] oh la la [13:07] apachelogger: I'm curious to remember what happens instead [13:07] apachelogger: btw want to figure out why my stupid kconf_update script doesn't work [13:07] shadeslayer: that hack looks very scary [13:08] Riddell: libdebconf-kde, completely differnt thing written in c++ [13:08] apachelogger: where is that lsb-release code from? [13:08] muon then instructs debconf to write to a pipe created by libdebconf-kde and thusly gets c++ interfaces ot debconf or some such magic [13:08] very fancy anyway, so we don't really care about the perl debconf-kde [13:08] shadeslayer: the hack [13:09] or at least the version of the hack I am looking at [13:09] apachelogger: grep -iR lsb-release src/UbuntuUnityHack.* gives me nothing [13:09] so I guess tomahawk has made the hack less shitty [13:10] dunno, this is 0.7.9 [13:10] erm [13:10] 0.7.9 [13:10] argggggjhhhhhhhhhhhhsedfs [13:10] 0.7.0 [13:10] <- looking at clementine [13:10] can't type for shit [13:10] ah I see [13:10] me neither [13:10] it's all the coffee [13:10] I haven't had any :'( [13:10] possibly that's why [13:10] that sounds wrong [13:11] also, I'm hungry and waiting for my pizza [13:11] Riddell: untagged bug [13:11] shadeslayer: do I get pizza as well? [13:11] me hungry QQ [13:11] sure, are you within walking distance? [13:11] come over the office and you can have some [13:12] no time for walking [13:12] too much bugz [13:13] does anyone get what he means bug 1284042 [13:13] bug 1284042 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "Bug with click in ok" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284042 [13:14] ah, I think he wants that the KCM does not quit up until the installation is done [13:14] * apachelogger is not sure that even is possible [13:15] apachelogger: how long do you think test case writing will take? [13:15] shadeslayer: no clue, at the very least an hour [13:15] probably more like 2 [13:15] hmm [13:15] entirely depends on how fast you can copy and paste and click [13:16] shadeslayer: I'd go with 2 [13:16] k [13:16] if there's time left one can always do the test cases ^^ [13:18] apachelogger: can I move this https://trello.com/c/IT3ctExJ to done? [13:18] * apachelogger falls off chair [13:18] shadeslayer: yes [13:19] ohohoh [13:19] shadeslayer: knh calls kcmshell4 for driver-manager? [13:19] yep [13:19] hm [13:19] I wonder if we should change that [13:20] BECAUSE that dude with the click bug has a point [13:20] technically there is no apply and close action with driver-manager [13:20] because the apply is async [13:21] alas, I think kcmshell4 doesn't give a rats ass what buttons the KCM wants shown, so it always displays ok which is a bit meh [13:22] OTOH [13:22] this is all a bit terrible [13:22] shadeslayer: mark wontfix [13:23] if someone else complains we can always look into a solution, but really, ok should not be blocking, in fact you cannot really because you'd then block the event loop [13:24] shadeslayer: didn't you fix bug 1282461 and bug 1282080 [13:24] bug 1282461 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "driverevent not managable through KCM" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282461 [13:25] bug 1282080 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "driverevent doesn't update xapian cache" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282080 [13:25] Riddell: are you on top of bug 953342 [13:25] bug 953342 in intltool (Ubuntu) "Add support for Qt Designer UI files" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953342 [13:26] ScottK, Riddell: bug 1257675 [13:26] bug 1257675 in kubuntu-firefox-installer (Ubuntu) "please remove kubuntu-firefox-install source & binary from trusty" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257675 [13:27] Riddell: please let me know if there is anything I can do [13:27] sgclark: I should be able to throw them up into the ppa soon then there will be lots of fix as they break [13:28] Riddell: ok :) [13:33] purged the canonical-qt5-edgers ppa amonst others, Was having probs with browser and dialog fonts showing up as small blocks, so rather than isolate the cause I took the shotgun approach and ppa-purged 3 ppas ...it worked :) [13:34] amongst* [13:38] apachelogger: fix commited === Don is now known as Guest42943 [13:47] apachelogger: wtf wtf wtf [13:48] apachelogger: TomahawkAddPlugin.cmake has # add qt modules [13:48] qt5_use_modules(${target} Core Network Widgets Sql Xml DBus) [13:48] how did this compile in the first place o_o [13:49] grr, how to add -sa to bzr-buildpackage-ppa ? [13:49] Riddell: pass -- -sa [13:49] I think ... [13:50] if that doesn't work, modify the script :)_ [13:50] shadeslayer: genius [13:50] \o/ [13:52] Riddell: btw we'll have kwalletmanager in source new once 4.12.3 releases [13:52] Riddell: do you think it's a good idea to save history there? [13:53] shadeslayer: I don't understand, what's changing? [13:53] Riddell: source renamed [13:53] see kde-packagers [13:53] was announced eons ago [13:54] shadeslayer: it usually is worth preserving history [13:54] okay [14:03] shadeslayer: phonon does the same thing :P [14:04] i.e. there's a compat macro that is used for qt4 builds [14:04] avoids pointless ifs all over the place [14:04] much confusing [14:04] apachelogger: and turns out the entire file has changed in master [14:05] that happens [14:05] sgclark: there's a load uploaded, you can see how they get on starting with attica [14:05] shadeslayer: is the drivermanager reset bug fixed yet? [14:05] apachelogger: no, I don't have a proper fix for it [14:05] Riddell: ok ty [14:05] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7027598/ [14:06] wth? [14:06] apachelogger: it's a hack that me and d_ed came up with [14:07] what for? [14:07] or why [14:07] for the reloading thing where it shows things twice [14:07] yeah, just clean the stuff before reloading? [14:09] IIRC that led to issues that I can't recall at the moment [14:09] because #badstructure [14:09] :( [14:09] patches welcome [14:09] void Module::finished() [14:09] that slot litterally says the module is finished [14:17] shadeslayer: refresh is broken [14:17] wat [14:17] refresh is broken [14:17] it doesnt do anything [14:17] well it displays an infinite load animation [14:17] * shadeslayer checks [14:19] shadeslayer: what is m_refresh used for? [14:21] apachelogger: passed as an argument to backend, when true ( when you hit the refresh driver list button ) it'll compute drivers from scratch [14:21] when not ( for eg, when you exit the KCM and enter it again ) , it'll get the cached drivers [14:22] so 2nd starts of the KCM are way way faster than the first start [14:22] and that's a usecase Oo [14:22] * shadeslayer is not working on driver manager today [14:22] will have a look tomorrow [14:22] shadeslayer: I don't get this at all [14:23] why would you want !cached when refresh and cached when starting? [14:23] that ultimately makes refresh a button that you must click as the information will be outdated [14:24] either it always returns cached results if it has them or it never does [14:28] apachelogger: the refresh button is for when you plugin new hardware while the kcm is already open [14:29] sgclark: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ now has new link for "KF5 experimental PPA build status" [14:29] shadeslayer: right [14:29] shadeslayer: so if I close the kcm, plug in hardware, open the kcm [14:29] I still have to click the button [14:30] depends on how long that toom [14:30] *took [14:30] re-opening the KCM that is [14:30] that's what I meant when I said that maybe-caching makes the button a must click [14:32] sgclark: what I've done is rename the lib packages to be libfoo5 [14:32] sgclark: but I seem to have failed to rename the debug in debian/rules foo [14:34] Riddell: ok [14:34] sgclark: so I'll do a second mass upload :) [14:37] shadeslayer: there's also something fishy with the signal connection to the dbus thing [14:37] when you connect right after creation of the itnerface the connection will not work [14:37] if you connect a second time suddenly both start working [14:37] most peculiar [14:38] to the bustle === serverhamster is now known as alvin [14:38] * shadeslayer rages at tomahawk [14:47] * apachelogger rolls eyes a bit [14:54] shadeslayer: I sort of have a fix [14:54] for? [14:54] but this needs refactoring [14:54] shadeslayer: reset [14:55] shadeslayer: you have ui and logic all mushed together [14:55] I know it needs refactoring, need some guidance on that tbh [14:55] it's getting very weird to make modifications in the code [14:55] I have to jump through hoops [14:55] apachelogger: can you write me a guide on how one would about refactoring this? [14:55] just outlining stuff [14:55] I'll refactor it [14:56] okay [14:56] there is no guide to refactoring :P [14:56] right, but I'm pretty poor at architechture at the moment and this would give me some insight on how to write better structured code ;) [14:57] apachelogger: IMHO we should release post refactoring [14:57] shadeslayer: you can look at my diff :P [14:57] heh ofcourse :) [14:58] recfactoring is a lot of mind wiggling, mixing up all the bad code one has seen and all the good code one has seen, then overlay that on what one is seeing right now and try to find the bad patterns and replace them with the good patterns [15:01] Riddell: second error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7027947/ [15:01] apachelogger: *nod* [15:11] mh, this might take a while === blaze` is now known as blaze [15:13] sgclark: mm needs the .symbols files changed, time for another mass edit and upload :) [15:16] Riddell: ok so your doing that? let me know when I can do something [15:18] sgclark: yep [15:24] shadeslayer: is there a particular reason that you chose to adhoc marshal the variants, rather than do it once and shuffle a concrete object around? [15:29] apachelogger: assuming I understood that correctly, nope === greyback is now known as greyback|rebooty [15:54] shadeslayer: you said to checkout kubuntu-settings-desktop. So that is the way Kubuntu makes it's default settings? [15:54] ovidiu-florin: yep [15:54] ovidiu-florin: if we want to override them from upstream yes [15:56] If I make a similar package for an education version of Kubuntu, can that be made available? [15:56] in the Kubuntu repos? [15:56] ovidiu-florin: what would it change? [15:56] Double click by default for starters [15:56] hmm there's nothing education specific about that, that's just personal preference [15:57] and maybe a different window theme, something more similar to windows, to ease the user migration to linux. [15:57] Riddell: those are just look and feel stuf, for starters [15:57] besiders, that, I can add more dependencies [15:57] which can be education applications [15:58] ovidiu-florin: I'd recommend looking at live-build ( for ISO creation ), seeds ( for customizing package sets ) and kubuntu-settings-desktop for look and feel [15:58] but I would like this package to only be available for LTS. [15:59] shadeslayer: that is extreemly close to starting a new distro [16:00] but that's what you wanted to do? [16:00] not exactly [16:00] that was only a worst case scenario [16:01] ovidiu-florin: it's not sounding like something kubuntu would want called kubuntu-education but if you have a use for it then great, call it kubuntu-ro-education and we can include it [16:02] I'd preffer to make a package that can be installed easily by any administrator. maybe an apt: url on a doc site [16:02] Riddell: I like your ideea [16:02] kubuntu-ro-education [16:03] ok, I'll start working on that [16:03] hopefully I'll get it done in a week or to [16:03] two* [16:03] thank you [16:06] sgclark: a new sea of blue builds http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.97.0_trusty.html [16:07] Riddell: ok [16:08] such blue [16:09] mine are all green http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.3_trusty.html :3 [16:09] or well, mostly [16:11] apachelogger: ping [16:11] test case writery [16:12] shadeslayer: 5 minutes [16:13] ok [16:19] well then [16:20] shadeslayer: check inbox [16:20] should have an invite [16:20] * apachelogger is drowning in tabs again -.- [16:21] shadeslayer: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-qa [16:21] got it [16:22] so, my thinking was to basically replicate the discover demo I made [16:22] which basically is 1 page with a description and optional email field [16:22] then logically group pages [16:22] for most apps I reckon we'll just have one page [16:22] apachelogger: I need permission to read the muon discover stuff [16:23] pff, dat google is weird [16:23] hm [16:24] yeah opens now [16:24] strange enough, I did not really change anything ^^ [16:25] anyway [16:25] shadeslayer: each step additionally has a comment field, so people may note what went wrong etc. [16:26] and radio buttons for works, doesn't work .... I was thinking perhaps also have not tested, but that somehow cannot be done sensibly, so whenver nothing is selected we consider it not tested [16:26] all steps are optional for that matter [16:26] makes sense [16:27] I am not quite sure where to put expected behavior though [16:27] e.g. if you go to the end of the notes page [16:27] kcm language has a lot of expected behavior from one action, so either we turn that into sub-steps (each with works/doesn't work) or add a random text field [16:29] mhm [16:30] oh you can't add random text stuff [16:30] * apachelogger sighs a bit [16:30] nah, found it [16:30] * shadeslayer is so sleepy it's not even funny -.- [16:32] lol, same here, plus I am on drugs :P [16:32] shadeslayer: ok, I think we'll want one page per test [16:32] well, test step [16:32] plz send some over to me [16:32] makes sense [16:32] we don't want to put the user to sleep [16:33] on that note, maybe put some text at the beginning to acquire drugs before starting QA would be good :D [16:33] shadeslayer: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1tF6wdMLEIH4etuWmZgOa_vttWKD5F10xsadpcZZYYCg/viewform [16:33]