[00:55] <rick_h_> anyone have a pinboard account?
[00:55] <rick_h_> evening and all
[02:20] <jrwren> pinboard? is that like pintrst?
[02:21] <rick_h_> heh, it's the snarky version of delicious
[02:21] <jrwren> oh
[02:21] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/pinboard
[03:11] <cmaloney> I deleted mine a while back so no
[03:12] <rick_h_> cmaloney: ok cool
[03:12] <rick_h_> all good
[03:12] <rick_h_> I think we've got an import bug fixed but want to verify
[03:12] <rick_h_> but it requires a pinboard dump with a private bookmark in the export
[03:12] <cmaloney> right
[03:12] <rick_h_> I should spend the $10 and just do it
[03:12] <rick_h_> but something psychological about paying the $$ to pinboard...seems wrong
[03:13] <cmaloney> Does lmorchard have an account?
[03:13] <rick_h_> yea, I might bug him if he's at CHC or something
[03:13] <rick_h_> he's algo got a giant giant one and just need something small
[03:13] <rick_h_> I thought a few people here had accounts
[03:13] <greg-g> not I
[03:13] <greg-g> I use bookie :)
[03:14] <cmaloney> I did but his attitude started pissing me off
[03:14] <rick_h_> you guys are too good to me :)
[03:14] <cmaloney> heh, Twitter is down,
[03:14] <greg-g> :)
[03:14] <cmaloney> I'm getting some failbot
[03:15] <rick_h_> :/ oh well. There are times I think it's better that way
[03:15] <rick_h_> though I just found out about a NAS rootkit from twitter so guess I can't complain today
[03:15] <greg-g> yeah
[03:16] <greg-g> I just checked mine, and installed "Antivirus Essential" (which probably won't help, but it felt good)
[03:16] <greg-g> I'm ok, but man
[03:16] <rick_h_> heh
[03:16] <rick_h_> yea, I had thought about running a service or two on it but this affirms my decision not to
[03:16] <cmaloney> They rolled out some new "following shit" for a second in my time stream. I look forward to seeing big photos of people I couldn't care less about
[03:16] <rick_h_> last thing I want is to give someone access to every backup of every file going back years across multiple machines :/
[03:17] <cmaloney> I'm starting to consider getting a NAS for my music / backups
[03:17] <rick_h_> my synology is slow, but it's nice and does the job
[03:17] <cmaloney> but seems the base-cost for anything that I might want is $300+ for bare metal
[03:17] <rick_h_> cron'd rsync and voila
[03:17] <rick_h_> yea, it took me over a year to bite the $$ on it
[03:17] <greg-g> yeah, slow but 19 watts at peak is awesome
[03:18] <greg-g> (the one I got)
[03:18] <rick_h_> yea, exacttly, sits quiet in the corner
[03:18] <rick_h_> yea, I got the atom one so that it was lower power
[03:18] <greg-g> yep
[03:18] <rick_h_> anyway, time to go read some more kanban before bed. See you all later
[03:18] <cmaloney> How do they do RAID On thise things? Are they only RAID1?
[03:18] <cmaloney> Laterness.
[03:20] <greg-g> cmaloney: you can choose either standard raid 1 or synology hybrid raid (which is built using floss piece, iirc) that lets you grow/shrink your partition as you add bigger/smaller harddrives
[03:20] <greg-g> or no raid
[03:20] <cmaloney> Ah, so LVMish?
[03:20] <greg-g> yeah
[03:20] <greg-g> ish
[03:20] <cmaloney> Hmmm..
[03:21] <cmaloney> Everything in my being says I want RAID5, save for my wallet which thinks buying a bigger drive is A-OK.
[03:21] <greg-g> http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_Synology_Hybrid_RAID%3F
[03:22] <cmaloney> "The SHR allows for 1-disk worth of redundancy - meaning that the SHR volume can suffer the lost of one disk, and the data volume will still be available for use."
[03:22] <cmaloney> OK, that's fucked up
[03:23] <jrwren> you could do like I do and crazy LVM it.
[03:23] <greg-g> cmaloney: wait,why is that fucked up?
[03:23] <cmaloney> I lived through a RAID-0 set up at Ford. I'm never doing that again.
[03:24] <cmaloney> greg-g: I thought it was just one drive. ;)
[03:25] <greg-g> haha
[03:25] <greg-g> yeah, it's basically raid 1, but a bit smarter with random sized disks
[03:26] <jrwren> i should probably do more raid. at this point, even the stuff I don't actually care about would be annoying enough to replace.
[03:26] <cmaloney> jrwren: same here
[03:26] <greg-g> I did it, even though I only have 2x2tb in there, in case I want to upgrade to 4tb at some point. 1: buy 2x4tb 2: replace 1 of the disks 3: let it heal 4: replace the other one 5: heal 6: success (with step 0 being: "have a fucking backup as always")
[03:27] <jrwren> but that is the pain... a backup.
[03:27] <jrwren> now it costs 3X at much!
[03:27] <greg-g> raid != backup
[03:27] <jrwren> yes.
[03:27] <greg-g> :)
[03:27] <jrwren> i just want storage.
[03:27] <greg-g> then go raid 0
[03:27] <greg-g> :P
[03:28] <jrwren> now I gotta pay 3X so that I can suffer disk fail & suffer human fail
[03:28] <jrwren> I have JBOD via LVM now ;)
[03:28] <jrwren> its awesome
[03:28] <jrwren> knock on wood :)
[03:28] <greg-g> yep, which is, what, 3 x $100 for 3tb?
[03:28] <jrwren> probably
[03:28] <jrwren> but I've got a bit more than that.
[03:28] <greg-g> it was that for 2 tb when I did it half a year ago
[03:28] <jrwren> 2-4TB and 3-2TB
[03:29] <greg-g> wow
[03:29] <greg-g> all jbod?
[03:29] <jrwren> one of teh 1tb isn't even plugged in yet :)
[03:29] <jrwren> i just got it last week
[03:29] <jrwren> all in an LVM VG, and then I carve as needed.
[03:29] <jrwren> so I have a mirrored LV and a nonmirrored LV
[03:29] <greg-g> ah
[03:32] <cmaloney> So is there a preferred way to do backup in the cloud?
[03:32] <jrwren> not prefered by me.
[03:32] <jrwren> i was doing tar | gpg | s3
[03:33] <greg-g> git-annex copy . --to glacier
[03:33] <greg-g> git-annex copy . --to mycolobox
[03:33] <greg-g> done
[03:33] <greg-g> gpg support built in, as needed/wanted
[03:33] <jrwren> git-annex?
[03:33] <greg-g> OMG
[03:34] <greg-g> http://git-annex.branchable.com/
[03:34] <greg-g> joey hess, debian amazing dude
[03:34] <cmaloney> better than duplicity?
[03:34] <greg-g> it is fucking rock solid
[03:34] <jrwren> i think i've seen this, but I"ve not heard anything
[03:34] <greg-g> git-annex isn't really comparable to duplicity
[03:34] <greg-g> I love love love love love git-annex
[03:35] <greg-g> so, here's an example
[03:35] <jrwren> cool, thanks I'll check it out
[03:35] <greg-g> I have my Photos/ dir, it shows exactly everything that git-annex knows exists
[03:35] <greg-g> ie: all years etc
[03:36] <greg-g> they're all symlinks, to a hash version of the file
[03:36] <greg-g> the symlinks are checked in git, thus you can go back in time
[03:36] <greg-g> the symlinks are either broken (pointing to non existant data) or not
[03:37] <greg-g> I do "git-annex get $somefilename" and it'll get that file from some other remote that has it (or tell me "hey, plug in this harddrive"
[03:37] <greg-g> it has safe guards out the wazo
[03:37] <greg-g> like, numcopies (whic you set in .gitattributes)
[03:38] <greg-g> I have it set to 3 for my Photos/videos, which means it won't let me 'git-annex drop' any file if it can' verify the existance of 3 copies
[03:38] <greg-g> (in trusted locations, and I tell it not to trust my laptop(s))
[03:38]  * greg-g stops self
[03:38] <greg-g> well, one more thing
[03:39] <greg-g> there's also the dropbox-type mode (called "direct", opposite of indirect) which is everything just no symlinks
[03:39] <greg-g> the files are all there as real files
[03:39] <greg-g> but it auto syncs to your remotes for you
[03:39]  * greg-g stops for real
[12:53] <brousch> Bitter cold today. Must be a dry cold.
[12:54] <rick_h_> yea, -9F on the weather station this morning
[12:59] <brousch> It sucks the warmth from any exposed skin
[13:19] <rick_h_> I'm afraid http://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/
[13:19] <cmaloney> I find this surprising
[13:20] <brousch> Siri will calm you
[13:20] <rick_h_> heh, siri better listen to what my google voice has to say
[13:20] <rick_h_> and apple maps? I already think twice when google gives me directions :P
[13:21] <brousch> You need an iphone for it
[13:21] <cmaloney> Interesting that Ford is a partner
[13:21] <brousch> It must be an option
[13:21] <cmaloney> iPhone only = No deal.
[13:22] <cmaloney> I'm already a little ticked that I have to get a special cable for my VW if I want to hook it up directly.
[13:22] <cmaloney> Comes with the 30pin connector.
[13:22] <rick_h_> yep
[13:22] <brousch> Like a built-in Apple dock?
[13:23] <cmaloney> Yeah. it's in the glove box
[13:23] <brousch> ew
[13:23] <cmaloney> Well, the theory is you'll put your phone in the glove box and use it with their system
[13:24] <cmaloney> the reality is nobody puts their phone in the glove box on purpose.
[13:24] <brousch> Ford makes sense as a partner. Why would they extract themselves from MS just to be locked in again?
[13:24] <rick_h_> yea, it's a bit crazy
[13:24] <rick_h_> BT ftw
[13:24] <brousch> Hopefully this kind of thing will be a modular install and you can pick what you want
[13:25] <cmaloney> brousch: doubtful. It'll be a package.
[13:25] <cmaloney> You want 4 wheel disc brakes? You'll need the sunroof and Carplay.
[13:28] <brousch> I always buy used, so my hope is it can be replaced after market
[13:29] <cmaloney> pfft.
[13:29] <cmaloney> Good luck with that.
[13:30] <rick_h_> heh, so ford with have qnx, carplay, and sync?
[13:33] <cmaloney> Looks like that's the case though I'm not sure what's going on
[13:34] <brousch> Different models could have different systems
[13:35] <rick_h_> jack of all trades...master of none
[13:36] <brousch> Or feel out all of the options to settle on one
[13:36] <cmaloney> Either that or Apple has moved to QNX for embedded ca systems.
[13:37] <cmaloney> but that's pretty far-fetched. :)
[13:38] <cmaloney> and completely wrong afaict.
[13:39] <brousch> Well it requires an iphone, so the car part could just be a sort of thin client
[13:40] <rick_h_> not really, there's an array of hardware, drivers, integration with backup cameras/etc
[13:40] <rick_h_> it can't really be a think client for the phone
[13:41] <cmaloney> Yeah, if anything it'll be it's own beast.
[13:41] <cmaloney> You don't want your customers not able to tune in a station because they forgot their phone
[13:41] <cmaloney> that said, if they do make it a thin client I'll laugh my ass off.
[13:49] <mrgoodcat> hello
[13:49] <rick_h_> party
[13:50] <brousch> Anyone going to the Novi LEGO GermFest 2014?
[13:50] <rick_h_> no, we went last year but think I'm going to stay home this year
[13:50] <brousch> We got a flyer for it in the mail, and my kid found it before I could destroy it
[13:51] <brousch> Having a kid who can read well is not always a plus
[13:51] <rick_h_> lol
[13:52] <brousch> You said it was insaley busy?
[13:52] <brousch> insanely
[13:52] <rick_h_> we got there right when it started so it was nice
[13:52] <rick_h_> but yea, it got pretty busy, and it's cool, but a bit far to drive and $$ to go to
[13:52] <rick_h_> it's cool, and we might go next year but it's not an every year thing imo
[13:53] <brousch> The Grand Rapids Public Museum just opened a new LEGO architecture exhibit Saturday. We tried to go Sunday, but I estimated the line to get in at 2 hours
[13:53] <rick_h_> ouch
[13:54] <brousch> That didn't go over well
[13:54] <brousch> So we ended up at the Children's Museum
[14:35] <cmaloney> rick_h_: BTW: The Caribou location that closed by you?
[14:35] <cmaloney> They're planning a Bean and Tea there.
[14:35] <cmaloney> We went to the one on 16 and Rochester yesterday.
[14:35] <cmaloney> Looked nice. The MH location is supposed to open 3/11
[14:36] <cmaloney> I think they're still working out the kinks though. I got a green tea that was next to undrinkable
[14:36] <cmaloney> and J's latte was weak for her.
[14:39] <rick_h_> yay and ugh
[14:39] <rick_h_> I don't know, now that starbucks has google wifi and they know me there it'll be hard to switch again
[14:39] <cmaloney> heh
[14:40] <cmaloney> I told JoDee that you were real close to installing their app. She looked horrified. :)
[14:41] <rick_h_> lol
[14:41] <rick_h_> but my mifi is getting used a lot less now
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> i really don't like starbucks
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> but google wifi is pretty nice
[14:49] <rick_h_> yea, I was cranky about the change
[14:49] <rick_h_> but I've got my one drink, and headphones, and now decent wifi
[14:49] <cmaloney> contentment comes in many forms. :)
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> wifi is decent at biggby
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> or at least the one i go to
[14:49] <rick_h_> I've not found a drink I like there
[14:49] <rick_h_> but don't go too often, not one around here
[14:49] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Problem with the biggby by us is it's really cramped
[14:50] <cmaloney> they converted a Wendy's to a biggby so there's not a lot of seating.
[14:50] <cmaloney> (John R and 13 mile)
[14:50] <mrgoodcat> that used to be a wendy's?
[14:50] <cmaloney> Yep
[14:50] <mrgoodcat> thats the one i go to
[14:50] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: hah. Me too.
[14:51] <mrgoodcat> its on my way to work at 7.5 mile on dequindre
[14:51] <cmaloney> Right, so the drive thru is decent (if you come in from the back way)
[14:52] <brousch> Some Biggbys are tiny
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> i come in from john r but i just drive around the building
[14:52] <cmaloney> but actually sitting in there for a while can be a bit problematic if they're busy.
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> recently i've been going inside
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> the biggbys are nicer in the lansing area
[14:52] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Early morning might not be too bad
[14:52] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Yeah, that's closer to the mothership iirc.
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> yup
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> started by MSU students
[14:53] <cmaloney> sort of like Tim Hortons in Port Huron are amazing because they're closer to the mothership
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> beaner's coffee
[14:53] <cmaloney> the one by me is pretty meh
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> they had to change the name because of a lawsuit
[14:53] <cmaloney> First time I had Beaners was at Books a Million in Ohio
[14:53] <brousch> Biggby's French Roast is good, the rest is meh
[14:53] <cmaloney> yeah, I remember the name change.
[14:53] <cmaloney> brousch: They have nice candy drinks
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> yup
[14:54] <cmaloney> carmel marvel is my poison
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> if you like sugar you should like biggby
[14:54] <brousch> True, their cinnamin chai tea latte is good
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> i get caramel mocha
[14:54] <brousch> Those fru-fru drinks are like a milk shake
[14:55] <brousch> And the super Red Eye with 4 shots is what pushed my caffeine over the edge
[14:55] <mrgoodcat> wow
[14:55] <mrgoodcat> did you vibrate and glow
[14:55] <mrgoodcat> ?
[14:56] <cmaloney> He probably folded space and would up somewhere in the middle of Borculo
[14:56] <brousch> Gave me Angina. Now I can't drink a cola 2 days in a row
[14:56] <cmaloney> s/would/wound/
[14:56] <brousch> cmaloney: My ancestors founded Borculo
[14:56] <cmaloney> They should have picked a better name
[14:57] <cmaloney> Sounds like something you'd try to pass off as a Scrabble word when nobody is paying attention
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> i didn't realize caffeine could give you angina
[14:58] <brousch> It's a drug. You can OD
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> damn
[14:59] <brousch> So I got off caffeine but still sensitive too it
[15:06] <brousch> rick_h_: apparently there is a requirement that conversations between mentors and students have to be "public". I think this means the IRC should be logged
[15:06] <brousch> Might want to crack down on PMers
[15:06] <cmaloney> Or send them to the mailing list.
[15:07] <brousch> cmaloney: He has a lot of activity on IRC
[15:07] <rick_h_> samgtr: brousch yea, I've just not gotten a logger setup
[15:07] <rick_h_> bah
[15:07] <brousch> hehe
[15:07] <rick_h_> brousch: but yea
[15:07] <brousch> I didn't know that until just now
[15:07] <rick_h_> yea, I've tried to keep things public
[15:08] <brousch> I had some PM conversations with bookie potential students, mostly trying to get them to move it to #bookie
[15:14] <rick_h_> yea
[15:14] <rick_h_> I've come to try to crush that
[15:14] <rick_h_> just as a matter of scaling
[15:20] <mrgoodcat> everybody thinks if they pm you they will get more individual attention
[15:21] <mrgoodcat> do you use irssi highlighter?
[15:25] <cmaloney> I use weechat
[15:25] <cmaloney> so I get some highlighting
[15:26] <brousch> Pidgin 4 Lyf!
[15:31] <mrgoodcat> but you don't get persistent session
[15:31] <mrgoodcat> if someone mentions you when you aren't on you will never know
[15:33] <brousch> If someone mentions me when I'm not on I don't give a shit ;)
[15:34] <brousch> They will either wait until I am on, or email me
[15:35] <mrgoodcat> but rick_h_ has responsibilities on irc
[15:35] <mrgoodcat> also, he could set the highlighter to hilight a specific prefix to queue questions about bookie intended for him
[15:36] <rick_h_> we use it for a team highlight in our work channels
[15:36] <rick_h_> jujugui and guihelp ring everyone on the team
[15:36] <rick_h_> jujugui meeting in 10
[15:36] <rick_h_> etc
[15:36] <rick_h_> it's common practice
[15:36] <mrgoodcat> i love the hilighter
[15:39] <brousch> Ack, meetup is still down due to DDoS
[15:40] <cmaloney>  wtf? Who decided that was a target?
[15:41] <greg-g> heh, I find it funny
[15:41] <mrgoodcat> aren't they cloudflare protected?
[16:20] <cmaloney> Anyone want a wrist pedometer that isn't internet connected?
[16:21] <rick_h_> heh, giving up on ye ole casio?
[16:21] <cmaloney> The Sync, yeah.
[16:21] <cmaloney> Apparently JoDee doesn't want to wear a brick on her wrist. Who knew?
[16:21] <cmaloney> So getting her a fitbit zip
[16:21] <cmaloney> for our 13th engagement anninversary
[16:22] <cmaloney> (yes, I can rationalize anything. ;) )
[16:22] <greg-g> cmaloney: whoa, congrats :)
[16:22] <cmaloney> tx
[16:22] <cmaloney> We've known each other for 20+ years
[16:22] <cmaloney> so we were an old married couple before we became an old married couple. :)
[16:23] <rick_h_> hah
[16:23] <rick_h_> "I love you, now watch how much excercise you get please" seems a strange combo
[16:23] <cmaloney> Well, we're also getting a recumbant folding exercise bike
[16:24] <rick_h_> ah, so it's a general theme
[16:24] <cmaloney> because Doc said in her sweet Asian accent "you're a fat ass"
[16:24] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's so we both can get fit.
[16:25] <brousch> rick_h_: "I have loved the last 20 years with you, so here's a present that will help ensure we both live through the next 20"
[16:25] <cmaloney> and mostly because I want a walking partner
[16:25] <greg-g> brousch: nice
[16:25] <cmaloney> brousch: I like the way you think
[16:27] <brousch> Ug. Wife is emailing me with tent buying suggestions. It looks like camping will become a regular thing
[16:28] <greg-g> yay!
[16:28] <rick_h_> hah, we're heading to macinaw end of may
[16:28] <rick_h_> come hang out at the camper, sell her of living high
[16:28] <greg-g> don't go to the dark side!
[16:28] <greg-g> though, I take that back
[16:28] <brousch> My brother has a giant camper
[16:28] <rick_h_> we've got a small one :)
[16:28] <greg-g> I'd go to the dark side for the next.... 8 years until Rowan can carry his own ;)
[16:28] <cmaloney> rick_h_: You have a transformer
[16:29] <brousch> It's nice, but a lot of maintenance and money when you consider needing a powerful vehicle for it
[16:29] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, though this year we've got the goal of getting him biking at the camp grounds and seeing if he can do one mile hikes
[16:29] <rick_h_> greg-g: lots of trails around campgrounds
[16:29] <greg-g> rick_h_: cool, yeah
[16:29] <cmaloney> I'm surprised you don't just stand outside it with a key-fob and hit a button and watch as Camptimus Prime sets himself up
[16:29] <rick_h_> greg-g: we've been thinking of backpacking off of camper base camps as possible trips as he gets older
[16:29] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lol
[16:29] <greg-g> Rowan loves the hiking part. When he was ~8 months old he crawled up half a mile of Muir Woods trail :)
[16:30] <rick_h_> cmaloney: hey, we've got a rather low tech one, though my airsteam will come
[16:30] <brousch> geez!
[16:30] <rick_h_> nice!
[16:30] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I call dibs on decorating the side of it with "sardines". ;)
[16:30] <rick_h_> cmaloney: :P
[16:31] <cmaloney> it's either that or "spam". ;)
[16:31] <brousch> If I'm camping, I'd prefer a tent. If i need a camper, I'd rather just stay in a hotel
[16:31] <cmaloney> brousch: Everyone says that until "the incident"
[16:32] <brousch> cmaloney: True
[16:32] <brousch> My brother's incident was a week of constant rain in the UP
[16:32] <cmaloney> yep
[16:32] <rick_h_> grrrrrr
[16:32]  * rick_h_ probably should not have sent that...
[16:32] <cmaloney> That's when you find out that the tent area is below sea-level.
[16:33] <cmaloney> the logo?
[16:33] <brousch> That's when I just bite the bullet and get a hotel nearby
[16:33] <cmaloney> rick_h_: ^
[16:33] <rick_h_> brousch: seriously though, we should find a common campground sometime
[16:33] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea
[16:33] <rick_h_> cmaloney: multi tasking too much and getting tired of people that want to get involved but can't read
[16:34] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That's OK. That's how things get resolved.
[16:34] <brousch> Last year we did an extended family camping trip to Grand Traverse. We borrowed a tent and my brother had his camper. It was good. Then we went to a hotel in Mackinaw City for a few more days
[16:34] <cmaloney> Maybe he has a better idea
[16:34] <rick_h_> cmaloney: no, he's confused as can be
[16:34] <rick_h_> and hung up on twitter bootstrap, which I hate...
[16:35] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Enlightenment comes in mysterious ways
[16:35] <brousch> Wat?! Everybody loves bootstrap!
[16:35] <rick_h_> brousch: cool, we did some trip planning this weekend for the year
[16:35] <cmaloney> sometimes through quiet contemplation. Sometimes with a cricket bat. :)
[16:35] <rick_h_> H8 BOOTSTRAP!
[16:35] <cmaloney> No matter the path, the destination is the same.
[16:35] <cmaloney> (see also: boot to the head)
[16:37] <cmaloney> OK, I'm twelve
[16:38] <cmaloney> Someone abbreviated FileApp in this code.
[16:38] <cmaloney> i snickered.
[16:38] <greg-g> lol
[16:39]  * greg-g is also 12
[16:39] <cmaloney> ;)
[16:40] <brousch> :-D
[16:40] <brousch> Entirely accicental, I'm sure
[16:40] <greg-g> it was convention!
[16:40] <greg-g> first letter of first name plus full last name
[16:41] <brousch> Tent ordered: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TS6WWC/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item
[16:41] <brousch> Basically the one we borrowed
[16:42] <rick_h_> whoa, big tent
[16:42] <rick_h_> how many folks?
[16:42] <brousch> 3
[16:43] <brousch> It has a sleeping section, a separated middle section, and a screened porch
[16:43] <brousch> Could sleep 6 if we wanted to
[16:43] <rick_h_> wow
[16:45] <greg-g> a little different style than Carrie and I :)
[16:45] <brousch> I assume you do what amounts to a bug screen over a sleeping bag
[16:46] <greg-g> well, that's what I sleep in, they sleep in the ultra-light 2 person
[16:46] <rick_h_> we've got the 4 person version of http://www.rei.com/product/864960/rei-hobitat-6-tent-special-buy for big trips
[16:46] <greg-g> I'm in a bivy, they're in the tent
[16:46] <rick_h_> with the http://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Noahs-Tarp-16-16x16-Feet/dp/B009R9FTW4/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1393865125&sr=1-1&keywords=kelty+tarp
[16:46] <brousch> greg-g: You're making my skin crawl
[16:46] <rick_h_> tie off the tarp to the bars on the car and make a lean-to porch area
[16:46] <rick_h_> or when away from teh car using trees
[16:46] <greg-g> brousch: depends on the mosquito population :P
[16:47] <cmaloney> and whether or not greg-g is going commando that night
[16:47] <rick_h_> yea, we've got something like http://www.amazon.com/Texsport-Saguaro-Bivy-Shelter-Tent/dp/B000IU11MS/ref=sr_1_24?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1393865226&sr=1-24&keywords=coleman+backpacking+tent for backpacking
[16:47] <brousch> greg-g: Thanks for the reminder. Stocking up on flying bug deterrents
[16:47] <greg-g> cmaloney: that's an unknown?
[16:47] <cmaloney> greg-g: Depends on how far away from civilization you are
[16:48] <greg-g> it does?
[16:48] <cmaloney> and whether or not the bears will get frightened.
[16:48] <greg-g> :)
[16:48] <brousch> Could we camp on the lawn at PyOhio?
[16:48] <rick_h_> hah
[16:48] <cmaloney> brousch: Last time students camped out in Ohio it was bad news.
[16:49] <brousch> With school out we could find a hidden patch of grass and now one would know
[16:49] <brousch> no one, too
[17:01] <brousch> Anyone camped in Kentucky? I'm thinking near the caves
[17:02] <rick_h_> brousch: it's on my wife's list
[17:02] <greg-g> haven't been to kentucky since we drove through from MO to Nashville
[17:02] <rick_h_> ok, have to say this is awesome. It's taken a couple of days and some coaching but this is a nice pull request. https://github.com/sammyshj/Bookie/pull/1
[17:02] <brousch> I went there as a boy scout. It was fun
[17:05] <brousch> Wow. $20-$30/night. That's dirt cheap, no wonder people camp
[17:06] <rick_h_> yea, when we go to the local place it's $33 a night and they've got lakes, trails, activities for the kids, etv
[17:06] <rick_h_> go for a weekend and it's $100. That's movie and dinner night for the family
[17:06] <rick_h_> of course then there's the $$ on the camper, the touareg...but you're not supposed to add that in
[17:07] <greg-g> heh
[17:49] <cmaloney> Last time I was in Kentucky camping I was sitting on my dad's shoulders.
[17:51] <rick_h_> brousch: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/03/samsung-announces-new-11-6-and-13-3-arm-powered-chromebooks-with-faux-leather-finish-starting-at-319-99/
[17:53] <cmaloney> Great, it's the era of beaver-whack for computing
[17:54] <cmaloney> next year we'll change the tail-lights and grill
[17:55] <rick_h_> cmaloney: more interesting is the HD 13" version
[17:55] <rick_h_> get out of the resolution rut
[18:05] <cmaloney> Yeah, but they're still caught in the chrome keyboard rut no?
[18:12] <brousch> I don't mind the Chromebook keyboard
[18:12] <cmaloney> The layout bugs me a hair
[18:12] <brousch> Response from my wife when I suggested Mammoth Cave: " I like the mammoth cave idea except we A. don't know the area /camping with someone who knows the area. B. Bears. C. Scary bears.
[18:15] <cmaloney> no risk, no reward.
[18:16] <cmaloney> That said, there's just caves there
[18:16] <cmaloney> no mammoths.
[18:16] <cmaloney> They should just call it "big caves"
[18:16] <cmaloney> but then nobody would show up would they?
[18:19] <brousch> They need to get a minecraft theme going for them
[18:53] <brousch> Looking at a Jellystone campground now
[19:01] <cmaloney> OK, this is starting to freak me out
[19:01] <cmaloney> Dec: got some order receipts for a guy ordering something from Planet Natural
[19:02] <cmaloney> Right name, wrong address, email to gmail
[19:02] <cmaloney> thought that was strange
[19:02] <rick_h_> brousch: +1 we want to hit one of those up
[19:02] <rick_h_> brousch: there's a couple up north that look like a lot of kids fun
[19:02] <cmaloney> just now: got a call to google voice for a greg looking to buy something from Canada.
[19:02] <cmaloney> some wheat powder shit
[19:03] <brousch> rick_h_: We might do a weekend at South Haven as a dry-run for the setup http://www.southhavenjellystone.com/
[19:04] <rick_h_> brousch: very cool
[19:06] <brousch> Will probably still be ice on Lake MI in April though
[19:07] <rick_h_> yea, we wanted to get going in april but I've got a lot of travel
[19:07] <rick_h_> I'm thinking it's probably not a bad idea to wait a bit this sprint
[19:07] <rick_h_> the plow truck just granted me a nice end of drive pile to clean up yay
[19:07] <cmaloney> woot
[19:07] <rick_h_> go march go :/
[19:09] <brousch> At least we're missing out on this latest snopacalypse
[19:09] <rick_h_> yea, just got a few more inches
[20:06] <brousch> rick_h_: PRepare your wallet http://bizopy.com/turing-water-into-wine-with-your-iphone/
[20:10] <mrgoodcat> alan turing would approve
[20:12] <greg-g> god, such a douchey video intro
[20:13] <rick_h_> well it is for iphone users :P
[20:14] <mrgoodcat> i wonder if it works
[20:14] <mrgoodcat> it works on android as well apparently
[20:14] <rick_h_> yea, just going off url :)
[20:14] <mrgoodcat> 2$ for a bottle of wine though? not so bad
[20:14] <rick_h_> hmm, this video has me coughing *bull$#@* over and over
[20:15] <mrgoodcat> if you make 28 bottles that are supposedly 20$ each you make your 500$ back
[20:15] <greg-g> rick_h_: :)
[20:15] <mrgoodcat> i can't watch the video at work
[20:16] <rick_h_> oh good grief...it's a keureg for wine?!
[20:16] <rick_h_> "just put in our mixing ingredients"
[20:16] <rick_h_> *sigh*
[20:16] <greg-g> rick_h_: you know those studies about how there's not correlation between price and quality (as perceived by somolias) when done double blind, right? :)
[20:17] <greg-g> or wine spectator rating and perceived quality
[20:17] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, yes I am. But I also know that price isn't just a product of ingredients
[20:17] <rick_h_> and everyone behaves differently to different tastes
[20:17] <brousch> rick_h_: So you can get in making your knock-off wine packets early!
[20:17] <greg-g> right right, but there's a huge amount of market segmentation with wine
[20:17] <rick_h_> but I'm not exicited about pouring an oz more 'sour' into my wine to reach that flavor I'm looking for
[20:17] <rick_h_> sure thing
[20:18] <greg-g> :)
[20:18] <greg-g> anyway, I agree, i doubt this'll produce much of anything beyond the "I've already had 3 glasses of good stuff, I'll drink some of this now"
[20:18] <rick_h_> "oh noes, I'm out of pinot mix...better order more"
[20:18] <rick_h_> I'm not even sure if it'll do that
[20:19] <rick_h_> maybe I've gone wine snob. I love starting to get a feel for regions, wineries, traveling to them and experiencing. It's more than "less calories same great taste as regular coke"
[20:20] <greg-g> regions?
[20:21] <greg-g> you can tell regions?
[20:21] <greg-g> not just varietals/styles?
[20:21] <rick_h_> well so here's the thing. I'll buy about anything out of the russian river valley region. Just because I've found I like a lot of wines from that region
[20:21] <greg-g> that's right near us!
[20:21] <rick_h_> now, if you gave me a glass, and asked me to identify it? no way.
[20:22] <greg-g> gotcha
[20:22] <rick_h_> maybe if it's something I've had before
[20:22] <rick_h_> but now when I see a bottle from that region I go 'ooh, my fav'
[20:22] <rick_h_> there's a bit of a connection
[20:22] <greg-g> do you use any of those wine rating/notes thingys?
[20:22] <rick_h_> not at all
[20:22]  * greg-g nods
[20:22] <greg-g> kinda surprised :)
[20:22] <rick_h_> but I try out different things. I check the alcohol levels, grape types, region, etc
[20:23] <rick_h_> and I've so that patz & hall is a great winery. I had a bottle of their stuff in SF at a restuarant. Then joined their wine club
[20:23] <rick_h_> now when I drink a bottle of their stuff I'm biased. I like these people, I want to go to this winery.
[20:23] <greg-g> yeah
[20:23] <rick_h_> anyway, proof of my snobbery exposed :)
[20:23] <greg-g> :)
[20:24] <rick_h_> I'm not interested in keurig coffee in a cup and not interested in mixing pixie sticks together to make wine
[20:24] <greg-g> heh
[20:26] <brousch> OMG you're so old!
[20:26] <rick_h_> I am?
[20:26] <rick_h_> good, then get off my lawn!
[20:26] <brousch> You probably shape wood with a chisel and write code with vim too!
[20:26] <rick_h_> and keep away from my wine!
[20:26] <rick_h_> lamo
[20:26] <rick_h_> lmao that is...see I'm so old I went lamo
[20:35] <mathomastech> Anyone here use Dropbox on an Arch install?
[20:37] <rick_h_> mathomastech: I have, I think waf might.
[20:39] <mathomastech> I've got dropbox and nautilus-dropbox installed from AUR. It shows up in my application launcher and I can start the service using dropboxd. When I run ps -A | grep drobox it also shows up as an active processes. However I am not getting any sort of prompt asking for login info, and I am not seeing a dropbox folder in my home/user directory.
[20:40] <rick_h_> hmm, I run it with sudo dropbox start -i
[20:40] <rick_h_> I think that brings up the download/install UI
[20:40] <rick_h_> then I have to move it off of root
[20:45] <mathomastech> rick_h_: It just hangs when I run that command. No indication it is launching the service
[21:05] <cmaloney> I don't have a problem with Keurig. I know it's not a great cup of coffee but it's damned convenient
[21:06] <cmaloney> that said, I'm not really into "adult Kool-aid"
[21:10] <greg-g> I now do have a problem with Keurig
[21:10] <greg-g> they're going to add DRM to their machines so you can use third-party refillers
[21:10] <greg-g> DRM IN YOUR EFFING COFFEE, MAN
[21:10] <cmaloney> Right. And that will mean I'll never buy a Keurig machine again
[21:12] <cmaloney> Reminds me of the bullshit that Nintendo tried with the NES
[21:12] <cmaloney> it was stupid then and it's stupid now
[21:12] <greg-g> GAME GENIE!
[21:12] <greg-g> great case
[21:12] <cmaloney> if I have to root my coffee machine in order to make a cup of coffee there will be hell to pay
[21:13] <cmaloney> Do NOT fuck with my morning coffee.
[21:13] <mrgoodcat> haha
[21:14] <mrgoodcat> maybe it will run ios
[21:14] <mrgoodcat> and integrate with your ford fusion
[21:14] <mrgoodcat> as long as you have an iphone
[21:19] <cmaloney> greg-g: Oh that's right: you're in MI at the moment aren't you?
[21:21] <greg-g> yeah
[21:21] <greg-g> Chelsea
[21:23] <cmaloney> man
[21:23] <cmaloney> so close and yet so far.
[21:25] <greg-g> I know :/
[22:48] <wolfger> greg-g: Yeah, I just read about Keurig "2.0" using DRM. Almost makes me want to buy a Keurig now so I can get one without it. Almost. I'll stick with my old Mr. Coffee for large amounts and french press for single servings.
[22:49] <wolfger> But what's this about wine mix??? Ugh.
[22:50] <wolfger> I like my wine the old fashioned way... out of a box in the fridge. :-D
[23:04] <waf> mathomastech: try deleting the directory ~/.dropbox
[23:04] <waf> that will get rid of any local settings you have
[23:04] <waf> but then it might re-prompt for your auth details
[23:23] <cmaloney> http://amirunningxp.com/
[23:26] <rick_h_> heh
[23:47] <mathomastech> waf: Just deleted the folder and restarted the computer. No prompt for logging in, though dropbox does start on boot.
[23:50] <waf> mathomastech: try killing the process, deleting the directory, then starting it manually from the command line via 'dropboxd'
[23:51] <waf> if that doesn't work, i'd guess it's a bug with dropbox. what version are you running?
[23:51] <mathomastech> 2.6.13-1  http://aur.archinux.org/packages/dropbox/
[23:52] <mathomastech> Ok, it recreated .dropbox and process in running but again no prompt. I might try completely removing dropbox and reinstalling it.
[23:53] <waf> i wouldn't expect that to fix anything, but i guess you can go for it. in errors in /tmp/ ?
[23:53] <waf> *any errors in /tmp/
[23:53] <mathomastech> Nopem just an ssh and a systemd file.
[23:56] <mathomastech> Ahh, reading the comments on the package and looks like its a but that was present in 2.6.12-1
[23:56] <mathomastech> bug*
[23:57] <mathomastech> Looks like the workaround is to download an old version, get logged in and synced, then install the new version on top of it.