[00:55] anyone have a pinboard account? [00:55] evening and all [02:20] pinboard? is that like pintrst? [02:21] heh, it's the snarky version of delicious [02:21] oh [02:21] https://twitter.com/pinboard [03:11] I deleted mine a while back so no [03:12] cmaloney: ok cool [03:12] all good [03:12] I think we've got an import bug fixed but want to verify [03:12] but it requires a pinboard dump with a private bookmark in the export [03:12] right [03:12] I should spend the $10 and just do it [03:12] but something psychological about paying the $$ to pinboard...seems wrong [03:13] Does lmorchard have an account? [03:13] yea, I might bug him if he's at CHC or something [03:13] he's algo got a giant giant one and just need something small [03:13] I thought a few people here had accounts [03:13] not I [03:13] I use bookie :) [03:14] I did but his attitude started pissing me off [03:14] you guys are too good to me :) [03:14] heh, Twitter is down, [03:14] :) [03:14] I'm getting some failbot [03:15] :/ oh well. There are times I think it's better that way [03:15] though I just found out about a NAS rootkit from twitter so guess I can't complain today [03:15] yeah [03:16] I just checked mine, and installed "Antivirus Essential" (which probably won't help, but it felt good) [03:16] I'm ok, but man [03:16] heh [03:16] yea, I had thought about running a service or two on it but this affirms my decision not to [03:16] They rolled out some new "following shit" for a second in my time stream. I look forward to seeing big photos of people I couldn't care less about [03:16] last thing I want is to give someone access to every backup of every file going back years across multiple machines :/ [03:17] I'm starting to consider getting a NAS for my music / backups [03:17] my synology is slow, but it's nice and does the job [03:17] but seems the base-cost for anything that I might want is $300+ for bare metal [03:17] cron'd rsync and voila [03:17] yea, it took me over a year to bite the $$ on it [03:17] yeah, slow but 19 watts at peak is awesome [03:18] (the one I got) [03:18] yea, exacttly, sits quiet in the corner [03:18] yea, I got the atom one so that it was lower power [03:18] yep [03:18] anyway, time to go read some more kanban before bed. See you all later [03:18] How do they do RAID On thise things? Are they only RAID1? [03:18] Laterness. [03:20] cmaloney: you can choose either standard raid 1 or synology hybrid raid (which is built using floss piece, iirc) that lets you grow/shrink your partition as you add bigger/smaller harddrives [03:20] or no raid [03:20] Ah, so LVMish? [03:20] yeah [03:20] ish [03:20] Hmmm.. [03:21] Everything in my being says I want RAID5, save for my wallet which thinks buying a bigger drive is A-OK. [03:21] http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_Synology_Hybrid_RAID%3F [03:22] "The SHR allows for 1-disk worth of redundancy - meaning that the SHR volume can suffer the lost of one disk, and the data volume will still be available for use." [03:22] OK, that's fucked up [03:23] you could do like I do and crazy LVM it. [03:23] cmaloney: wait,why is that fucked up? [03:23] I lived through a RAID-0 set up at Ford. I'm never doing that again. [03:24] greg-g: I thought it was just one drive. ;) [03:25] haha [03:25] yeah, it's basically raid 1, but a bit smarter with random sized disks [03:26] i should probably do more raid. at this point, even the stuff I don't actually care about would be annoying enough to replace. [03:26] jrwren: same here [03:26] I did it, even though I only have 2x2tb in there, in case I want to upgrade to 4tb at some point. 1: buy 2x4tb 2: replace 1 of the disks 3: let it heal 4: replace the other one 5: heal 6: success (with step 0 being: "have a fucking backup as always") [03:27] but that is the pain... a backup. [03:27] now it costs 3X at much! [03:27] raid != backup [03:27] yes. [03:27] :) [03:27] i just want storage. [03:27] then go raid 0 [03:27] :P [03:28] now I gotta pay 3X so that I can suffer disk fail & suffer human fail [03:28] I have JBOD via LVM now ;) [03:28] its awesome [03:28] knock on wood :) [03:28] yep, which is, what, 3 x $100 for 3tb? [03:28] probably [03:28] but I've got a bit more than that. [03:28] it was that for 2 tb when I did it half a year ago [03:28] 2-4TB and 3-2TB [03:29] wow [03:29] all jbod? [03:29] one of teh 1tb isn't even plugged in yet :) [03:29] i just got it last week [03:29] all in an LVM VG, and then I carve as needed. [03:29] so I have a mirrored LV and a nonmirrored LV [03:29] ah [03:32] So is there a preferred way to do backup in the cloud? [03:32] not prefered by me. [03:32] i was doing tar | gpg | s3 [03:33] git-annex copy . --to glacier [03:33] git-annex copy . --to mycolobox [03:33] done [03:33] gpg support built in, as needed/wanted [03:33] git-annex? [03:33] OMG [03:34] http://git-annex.branchable.com/ [03:34] joey hess, debian amazing dude [03:34] better than duplicity? [03:34] it is fucking rock solid [03:34] i think i've seen this, but I"ve not heard anything [03:34] git-annex isn't really comparable to duplicity [03:34] I love love love love love git-annex [03:35] so, here's an example [03:35] cool, thanks I'll check it out [03:35] I have my Photos/ dir, it shows exactly everything that git-annex knows exists [03:35] ie: all years etc [03:36] they're all symlinks, to a hash version of the file [03:36] the symlinks are checked in git, thus you can go back in time [03:36] the symlinks are either broken (pointing to non existant data) or not [03:37] I do "git-annex get $somefilename" and it'll get that file from some other remote that has it (or tell me "hey, plug in this harddrive" [03:37] it has safe guards out the wazo [03:37] like, numcopies (whic you set in .gitattributes) [03:38] I have it set to 3 for my Photos/videos, which means it won't let me 'git-annex drop' any file if it can' verify the existance of 3 copies [03:38] (in trusted locations, and I tell it not to trust my laptop(s)) [03:38] * greg-g stops self [03:38] well, one more thing [03:39] there's also the dropbox-type mode (called "direct", opposite of indirect) which is everything just no symlinks [03:39] the files are all there as real files [03:39] but it auto syncs to your remotes for you [03:39] * greg-g stops for real [12:53] Bitter cold today. Must be a dry cold. [12:54] yea, -9F on the weather station this morning [12:59] It sucks the warmth from any exposed skin [13:19] I'm afraid http://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/ [13:19] I find this surprising [13:20] Siri will calm you [13:20] heh, siri better listen to what my google voice has to say [13:20] and apple maps? I already think twice when google gives me directions :P [13:21] You need an iphone for it [13:21] Interesting that Ford is a partner [13:21] It must be an option [13:21] iPhone only = No deal. [13:22] I'm already a little ticked that I have to get a special cable for my VW if I want to hook it up directly. [13:22] Comes with the 30pin connector. [13:22] yep [13:22] Like a built-in Apple dock? [13:23] Yeah. it's in the glove box [13:23] ew [13:23] Well, the theory is you'll put your phone in the glove box and use it with their system [13:24] the reality is nobody puts their phone in the glove box on purpose. [13:24] Ford makes sense as a partner. Why would they extract themselves from MS just to be locked in again? [13:24] yea, it's a bit crazy [13:24] BT ftw [13:24] Hopefully this kind of thing will be a modular install and you can pick what you want [13:25] brousch: doubtful. It'll be a package. [13:25] You want 4 wheel disc brakes? You'll need the sunroof and Carplay. [13:28] I always buy used, so my hope is it can be replaced after market [13:29] pfft. [13:29] Good luck with that. [13:30] heh, so ford with have qnx, carplay, and sync? [13:33] Looks like that's the case though I'm not sure what's going on [13:34] Different models could have different systems [13:35] jack of all trades...master of none [13:36] Or feel out all of the options to settle on one [13:36] Either that or Apple has moved to QNX for embedded ca systems. [13:37] but that's pretty far-fetched. :) [13:38] and completely wrong afaict. [13:39] Well it requires an iphone, so the car part could just be a sort of thin client [13:40] not really, there's an array of hardware, drivers, integration with backup cameras/etc [13:40] it can't really be a think client for the phone [13:41] Yeah, if anything it'll be it's own beast. [13:41] You don't want your customers not able to tune in a station because they forgot their phone [13:41] that said, if they do make it a thin client I'll laugh my ass off. [13:49] hello [13:49] party [13:50] Anyone going to the Novi LEGO GermFest 2014? [13:50] no, we went last year but think I'm going to stay home this year [13:50] We got a flyer for it in the mail, and my kid found it before I could destroy it [13:51] Having a kid who can read well is not always a plus [13:51] lol [13:52] You said it was insaley busy? [13:52] insanely [13:52] we got there right when it started so it was nice [13:52] but yea, it got pretty busy, and it's cool, but a bit far to drive and $$ to go to [13:52] it's cool, and we might go next year but it's not an every year thing imo [13:53] The Grand Rapids Public Museum just opened a new LEGO architecture exhibit Saturday. We tried to go Sunday, but I estimated the line to get in at 2 hours [13:53] ouch [13:54] That didn't go over well [13:54] So we ended up at the Children's Museum [14:35] rick_h_: BTW: The Caribou location that closed by you? [14:35] They're planning a Bean and Tea there. [14:35] We went to the one on 16 and Rochester yesterday. [14:35] Looked nice. The MH location is supposed to open 3/11 [14:36] I think they're still working out the kinks though. I got a green tea that was next to undrinkable [14:36] and J's latte was weak for her. [14:39] yay and ugh [14:39] I don't know, now that starbucks has google wifi and they know me there it'll be hard to switch again [14:39] heh [14:40] I told JoDee that you were real close to installing their app. She looked horrified. :) [14:41] lol [14:41] but my mifi is getting used a lot less now [14:48] i really don't like starbucks [14:48] but google wifi is pretty nice [14:49] yea, I was cranky about the change [14:49] but I've got my one drink, and headphones, and now decent wifi [14:49] contentment comes in many forms. :) [14:49] wifi is decent at biggby [14:49] or at least the one i go to [14:49] I've not found a drink I like there [14:49] but don't go too often, not one around here [14:49] mrgoodcat: Problem with the biggby by us is it's really cramped [14:50] they converted a Wendy's to a biggby so there's not a lot of seating. [14:50] (John R and 13 mile) [14:50] that used to be a wendy's? [14:50] Yep [14:50] thats the one i go to [14:50] mrgoodcat: hah. Me too. [14:51] its on my way to work at 7.5 mile on dequindre [14:51] Right, so the drive thru is decent (if you come in from the back way) [14:52] Some Biggbys are tiny [14:52] i come in from john r but i just drive around the building [14:52] but actually sitting in there for a while can be a bit problematic if they're busy. [14:52] recently i've been going inside [14:52] the biggbys are nicer in the lansing area [14:52] mrgoodcat: Early morning might not be too bad [14:52] mrgoodcat: Yeah, that's closer to the mothership iirc. [14:52] yup [14:52] started by MSU students [14:53] sort of like Tim Hortons in Port Huron are amazing because they're closer to the mothership [14:53] beaner's coffee [14:53] the one by me is pretty meh [14:53] they had to change the name because of a lawsuit [14:53] First time I had Beaners was at Books a Million in Ohio [14:53] Biggby's French Roast is good, the rest is meh [14:53] yeah, I remember the name change. [14:53] brousch: They have nice candy drinks [14:54] yup [14:54] carmel marvel is my poison [14:54] if you like sugar you should like biggby [14:54] True, their cinnamin chai tea latte is good [14:54] i get caramel mocha [14:54] Those fru-fru drinks are like a milk shake [14:55] And the super Red Eye with 4 shots is what pushed my caffeine over the edge [14:55] wow [14:55] did you vibrate and glow [14:55] ? [14:56] He probably folded space and would up somewhere in the middle of Borculo [14:56] Gave me Angina. Now I can't drink a cola 2 days in a row [14:56] s/would/wound/ [14:56] cmaloney: My ancestors founded Borculo [14:56] They should have picked a better name [14:57] Sounds like something you'd try to pass off as a Scrabble word when nobody is paying attention [14:58] i didn't realize caffeine could give you angina [14:58] It's a drug. You can OD [14:58] damn [14:59] So I got off caffeine but still sensitive too it [15:06] rick_h_: apparently there is a requirement that conversations between mentors and students have to be "public". I think this means the IRC should be logged [15:06] Might want to crack down on PMers [15:06] Or send them to the mailing list. [15:07] cmaloney: He has a lot of activity on IRC [15:07] samgtr: brousch yea, I've just not gotten a logger setup [15:07] bah [15:07] hehe [15:07] brousch: but yea [15:07] I didn't know that until just now [15:07] yea, I've tried to keep things public [15:08] I had some PM conversations with bookie potential students, mostly trying to get them to move it to #bookie [15:14] yea [15:14] I've come to try to crush that [15:14] just as a matter of scaling [15:20] everybody thinks if they pm you they will get more individual attention [15:21] do you use irssi highlighter? [15:25] I use weechat [15:25] so I get some highlighting [15:26] Pidgin 4 Lyf! [15:31] but you don't get persistent session [15:31] if someone mentions you when you aren't on you will never know [15:33] If someone mentions me when I'm not on I don't give a shit ;) [15:34] They will either wait until I am on, or email me [15:35] but rick_h_ has responsibilities on irc [15:35] also, he could set the highlighter to hilight a specific prefix to queue questions about bookie intended for him [15:36] we use it for a team highlight in our work channels [15:36] jujugui and guihelp ring everyone on the team [15:36] jujugui meeting in 10 [15:36] etc [15:36] it's common practice [15:36] i love the hilighter [15:39] Ack, meetup is still down due to DDoS [15:40] wtf? Who decided that was a target? [15:41] heh, I find it funny [15:41] aren't they cloudflare protected? === widox_ is now known as widox [16:20] Anyone want a wrist pedometer that isn't internet connected? [16:21] heh, giving up on ye ole casio? [16:21] The Sync, yeah. [16:21] Apparently JoDee doesn't want to wear a brick on her wrist. Who knew? [16:21] So getting her a fitbit zip [16:21] for our 13th engagement anninversary [16:22] (yes, I can rationalize anything. ;) ) [16:22] cmaloney: whoa, congrats :) [16:22] tx [16:22] We've known each other for 20+ years [16:22] so we were an old married couple before we became an old married couple. :) [16:23] hah [16:23] "I love you, now watch how much excercise you get please" seems a strange combo [16:23] Well, we're also getting a recumbant folding exercise bike [16:24] ah, so it's a general theme [16:24] because Doc said in her sweet Asian accent "you're a fat ass" [16:24] Yeah, it's so we both can get fit. [16:25] rick_h_: "I have loved the last 20 years with you, so here's a present that will help ensure we both live through the next 20" [16:25] and mostly because I want a walking partner [16:25] brousch: nice [16:25] brousch: I like the way you think [16:27] Ug. Wife is emailing me with tent buying suggestions. It looks like camping will become a regular thing [16:28] yay! [16:28] hah, we're heading to macinaw end of may [16:28] come hang out at the camper, sell her of living high [16:28] don't go to the dark side! [16:28] though, I take that back [16:28] My brother has a giant camper [16:28] we've got a small one :) [16:28] I'd go to the dark side for the next.... 8 years until Rowan can carry his own ;) [16:28] rick_h_: You have a transformer [16:29] It's nice, but a lot of maintenance and money when you consider needing a powerful vehicle for it [16:29] greg-g: yea, though this year we've got the goal of getting him biking at the camp grounds and seeing if he can do one mile hikes [16:29] greg-g: lots of trails around campgrounds [16:29] rick_h_: cool, yeah [16:29] I'm surprised you don't just stand outside it with a key-fob and hit a button and watch as Camptimus Prime sets himself up [16:29] greg-g: we've been thinking of backpacking off of camper base camps as possible trips as he gets older [16:29] cmaloney: lol [16:29] Rowan loves the hiking part. When he was ~8 months old he crawled up half a mile of Muir Woods trail :) [16:30] cmaloney: hey, we've got a rather low tech one, though my airsteam will come [16:30] geez! [16:30] nice! [16:30] rick_h_: I call dibs on decorating the side of it with "sardines". ;) [16:30] cmaloney: :P [16:31] it's either that or "spam". ;) [16:31] If I'm camping, I'd prefer a tent. If i need a camper, I'd rather just stay in a hotel [16:31] brousch: Everyone says that until "the incident" [16:32] cmaloney: True [16:32] My brother's incident was a week of constant rain in the UP [16:32] yep [16:32] grrrrrr [16:32] * rick_h_ probably should not have sent that... [16:32] That's when you find out that the tent area is below sea-level. [16:33] the logo? [16:33] That's when I just bite the bullet and get a hotel nearby [16:33] rick_h_: ^ [16:33] brousch: seriously though, we should find a common campground sometime [16:33] cmaloney: yea [16:33] cmaloney: multi tasking too much and getting tired of people that want to get involved but can't read [16:34] rick_h_: That's OK. That's how things get resolved. [16:34] Last year we did an extended family camping trip to Grand Traverse. We borrowed a tent and my brother had his camper. It was good. Then we went to a hotel in Mackinaw City for a few more days [16:34] Maybe he has a better idea [16:34] cmaloney: no, he's confused as can be [16:34] and hung up on twitter bootstrap, which I hate... [16:35] rick_h_: Enlightenment comes in mysterious ways [16:35] Wat?! Everybody loves bootstrap! [16:35] brousch: cool, we did some trip planning this weekend for the year [16:35] sometimes through quiet contemplation. Sometimes with a cricket bat. :) [16:35] H8 BOOTSTRAP! [16:35] No matter the path, the destination is the same. [16:35] (see also: boot to the head) [16:37] OK, I'm twelve [16:38] Someone abbreviated FileApp in this code. [16:38] i snickered. [16:38] lol [16:39] * greg-g is also 12 [16:39] ;) [16:40] :-D [16:40] Entirely accicental, I'm sure [16:40] it was convention! [16:40] first letter of first name plus full last name [16:41] Tent ordered: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TS6WWC/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item [16:41] Basically the one we borrowed [16:42] whoa, big tent [16:42] how many folks? [16:42] 3 [16:43] It has a sleeping section, a separated middle section, and a screened porch [16:43] Could sleep 6 if we wanted to [16:43] wow [16:45] a little different style than Carrie and I :) [16:45] I assume you do what amounts to a bug screen over a sleeping bag [16:46] well, that's what I sleep in, they sleep in the ultra-light 2 person [16:46] we've got the 4 person version of http://www.rei.com/product/864960/rei-hobitat-6-tent-special-buy for big trips [16:46] I'm in a bivy, they're in the tent [16:46] with the http://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Noahs-Tarp-16-16x16-Feet/dp/B009R9FTW4/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1393865125&sr=1-1&keywords=kelty+tarp [16:46] greg-g: You're making my skin crawl [16:46] tie off the tarp to the bars on the car and make a lean-to porch area [16:46] or when away from teh car using trees [16:46] brousch: depends on the mosquito population :P [16:47] and whether or not greg-g is going commando that night [16:47] yea, we've got something like http://www.amazon.com/Texsport-Saguaro-Bivy-Shelter-Tent/dp/B000IU11MS/ref=sr_1_24?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1393865226&sr=1-24&keywords=coleman+backpacking+tent for backpacking [16:47] greg-g: Thanks for the reminder. Stocking up on flying bug deterrents [16:47] cmaloney: that's an unknown? [16:47] greg-g: Depends on how far away from civilization you are [16:48] it does? [16:48] and whether or not the bears will get frightened. [16:48] :) [16:48] Could we camp on the lawn at PyOhio? [16:48] hah [16:48] brousch: Last time students camped out in Ohio it was bad news. [16:49] With school out we could find a hidden patch of grass and now one would know [16:49] no one, too [17:01] Anyone camped in Kentucky? I'm thinking near the caves [17:02] brousch: it's on my wife's list [17:02] haven't been to kentucky since we drove through from MO to Nashville [17:02] ok, have to say this is awesome. It's taken a couple of days and some coaching but this is a nice pull request. https://github.com/sammyshj/Bookie/pull/1 [17:02] I went there as a boy scout. It was fun [17:05] Wow. $20-$30/night. That's dirt cheap, no wonder people camp [17:06] yea, when we go to the local place it's $33 a night and they've got lakes, trails, activities for the kids, etv [17:06]