[06:10] <pranav> how to list the devices that are connected using terminal. I want to change my stdout to LCD instead of serial console ?
[06:22] <pranav> i am running kubuntu 12.04 kernel in embedded device using serial console, I want to access LCD. how to approach this ?
[16:45] <ndec> hi ogra_, it's been a while since i haven't looked at ubuntu/arm (probably since 12.10...). with all the mir stuff that has happened, what will the situation look likein 14.04 for armhf? does unity desktop use mir by default or xorg? if xorg, is it based on egl or glx?
[16:46] <ogra_> xorg
[16:46] <ndec> ok, so if we i build an 14.04 image with ubuntu-desktop, it doens't pull mir at all, right?
[16:46] <ogra_> it still used gles in raring when we did the nxus7 desktop image ... not sure if that still works though
[16:47] <ogra_> i dont thinnk anyone has tested any xorg stuff on arm since raring
[16:47] <ndec> where was the egl stuff configured/hardcoded for arm?
[16:47] <ndec> in which package.
[16:47] <ogra_> (all UI arm focus is on Ubuntu Touch ... with is 100% Mir)
[16:47] <ndec> i see.
[16:47] <ogra_> that was in compiz
[16:48] <ndec> what happens if i need/want an arm image with 14.04 with unity-desktop. how feasbile (or not) do you think that is.
[16:48] <ndec> i don't mean an official image from you guys, but something i build.
[16:50] <ogra_> well, you would have to test if there are any new GLES bugs (or if someone perhaps dropped GLES support from compiz/unity7)
[16:50] <ogra_> beyond that i wouldnt expect it to be different from 12.04
[16:50] <ndec> what if i want a GL/GLX solution?
[16:50] <ogra_> on arm ?
[16:50] <ndec> yep
[16:51] <ogra_> you would most likely have to rebuild everything that uses GLES against it
[16:51] <ogra_> at least for the build time pieces
[16:51] <ndec> ;-)
[16:51] <ndec> when was compiz/egl/gles last tested on your side?
[16:54] <ogra_> during raring
[16:54] <ogra_> a year ago perhaps
[16:54] <ndec> ok...
[16:54] <ogra_> or more
[16:56] <ndec> ogra_: so, if i make an ubuntu-gnome-desktop image instead it wouldn't pull compiz, but gnome-shell and that would be a GLX/GL not gles, is that correct?
[16:56] <ogra_> no idea, you would have to check :)
[16:56] <ndec> i was expecting you would tell me that!
[16:57] <ogra_> i think back in raring i saw a good bunch of GLES patches to gnome
[16:57] <ogra_> and iirc it ran quite well accelerated on the tegra on the N7
[16:57] <ogra_> so i would suspect there is GLES by default on arm builds
[16:58] <ndec> ok. thanks. i will check this stuff.. i just wanted to have an idea before starting...
[16:58] <ndec> to deep dive
[16:59] <ogra_> use Mir :P
[16:59] <ogra_> so much easier :)
[17:03] <ndec> ogra_: well, that's a perspective ;-)
[17:04] <hrw> ogra_: can Mir be used without binary blobs from android?
[17:04] <ogra_> hrw, on x86 it can ...
[17:05] <ogra_> it runs on all free drivers and on andrtoid blobs atm
[17:05] <hrw> but no fbdev? D:
[17:05] <ogra_> nope