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gamerchick02hey cmaloney, how loud are the MX Cherry Black switches?00:41
gamerchick02or even rick_h_00:42
cmaloneyThey're a little quieter than the browns.00:42
gamerchick02i'm looking to get a decent keyboard for work and i don't want to scare people away with a super loud one (blues are right out unless i put massive 0rings on them)00:42
gamerchick02oooo00:43
cmaloneyI can lightly tap on them00:43
gamerchick02the browns aren't too loud i don't think00:43
cmaloneyThey're still pretty loud.00:43
gamerchick02you like the smooth actuation on them00:43
cmaloneyBut my co-workers haven't strung me up yet.00:43
gamerchick02how close are they sitting? i'm in a 4-man cube.00:43
cmaloneyyeah, although they require a heavy touch00:43
cmaloneyMuch like playing a piano00:43
gamerchick02so they're a lot heavier than the browns.00:43
cmaloneyYep00:43
gamerchick02oh no00:43
gamerchick02maybe i should stick with browns then00:44
cmaloneyActually, not a Piano. MOre like a synbthesizer00:44
cmaloneyso there's a little pushback00:44
cmaloneybut I've become used to it00:44
cmaloneybrb00:44
gamerchick02ok00:46
cmaloneyfucking hell, I have to reboot my machine to use my fucking microphone00:47
gamerchick02ugh. sorry to hear that00:47
gamerchick02good luck00:48
cmaloneyActually hah ,no I don't. :)00:48
cmaloneyNeat trick00:48
cmaloneypulseaudio -k00:48
gamerchick02:)00:48
gamerchick02nice!00:48
rick_h_pick squares on when we hit 300 users with bookmarks: https://bmark.us/dashboard01:57
cmaloneyI pick tomorrow01:57
cmaloneyEST tomorrow. :)01:58
rick_h_heh01:58
wafwhat do i get if i win. and do you validate email addresses.02:00
cmaloney;)02:00
rick_h_hah, must have bookmarks, that means valid email and goes through signup process02:00
rick_h_and no, you can't resign up with +iwannawin@gmail.com02:00
cmaloneyI have several domains. ;)02:00
rick_h_:P02:01
mrgoodcatdo you log api calls/day?05:01
mrgoodcat298 at midnight btw05:02
wolfgerMan, when did Firefox become such a resource hog compared to Chrome?10:51
wolfgerLately FF has been sucking up over a half gig of RAM. I just opened all the same tabs in Chrome and it's under 200k10:56
cmaloneyGood morning12:50
wolfgerOMG. I thought Dilbert was just making this up, but apparently "holacracy" is a real thing (for some value of "real"). http://holacracy.org/how-it-works12:50
cmaloneywolfger: Which version of FF? I think there's a difference in how they distribute their memory requirements.12:50
cmaloneyie: Chrome is per-process per tab vs. Firefox's monolithic approach12:51
cmaloneywolfger: Yeah, I'm not sure how to take that holacracy12:51
cmaloneyOn the one hand I think structures in business can be overdefined and strangling12:51
cmaloneyon the other hand it has a feel of "we're empowered but I write the checks"12:52
wolfgerWhen I first saw the word, I was thinking there was a "holla-back" joke coming. I'm still not sure there isn't one. :-D12:54
rick_h_morning12:55
wolfgerFF 27.0.1 vs Chrome 33.0.1750.146 m12:55
wolfgerm for mobile? I dunno12:55
wolfgerYes, Chrome has multiple processes even for a single tab, which is annoying. Still, if I total all the processes up, Chrome is still using about 150k to 200k less than FF12:56
rick_h_are we seriously taking 200K of ram?12:57
wolfgersorry... 200 thousand k12:57
wolfgerit's 200k of k-ram12:57
wolfger:-p12:57
wolfgerMy laptop has been feeling sluggish lately, and I'm trying to find a culprit. Finding it baffling that FF sucks up a half gig12:59
brouschwolfger: Chrome has been annoying me with Reddit on Windows13:01
brouschSometimes using up to 1.9GB13:02
wolfger<grumble> I should just go back to Lyxn </grumble>13:02
wolfgerLynx*13:03
rick_h_hah, /me was using links2 the other day13:03
wolfgeror possibly just upgrade my laptop's RAM13:03
rick_h_how much ram do you have?13:03
rick_h_I run both chrome and FF and don't go over 4ish GB of ram. That's with lxc containers, etc. Maybe you need a new window manager :P13:04
wolfgerHah.13:04
wolfgerYeah, I have way more ram than I'm consuming (6GB)13:05
wolfgerso I'm sure my problem is elsewhere.13:05
rick_h_"268M awesome"13:05
rick_h_ssd?13:06
cmaloneyYou might want to also check dmesg. There may be a problem.13:20
brouschI got 2 Acer chromebooks. The C710 is older, but I can upgrade it to 16GB RAM and a laptop HD or SSD. The c720 is newer, has 4GB RAM soldered on, and uses a funky type of SSD13:41
brouschMost c720s only have 2GB RAM soldered on. The 4GB can only be found second hand and costs $100 more than the 2GB13:42
jrwreni'm reading the log from yesterday. this carplay looks awesome.14:36
jrwreni've never had a computer with 16GB of ram. I should get one, just for the heck of it.14:39
brouschIt's funny that a Chromebook is my first computer that supports it14:42
brouschHm, I could put 16GB of RAM on this computer with a 16GB SSD14:43
jrwrenits kinda crazy.14:47
jrwrenwhat uses memory on a chromebook?14:47
jrwrenor is it just so you can have 1000 tabs open?14:47
jrwrendoes a chromebook run android apps or something?14:47
brousch2GB is just enough to run my usual 10 tabs14:51
mrgoodcat2GB is fine for me14:51
brousch4GB gives me room to install Ubuntu via Crouton and run Minecraft14:51
jrwreni think i only have 4GB on this mac.14:51
jrwrenyup, and it is fine as long as I don't want to run VMs14:51
brouschThis is not dual boot, this is Xubuntu in a chroot14:52
mrgoodcati could never run vm14:52
jrwrenso 16GB... I'd feel obligated to crunch data or something14:52
brouschYeah, I have no real need for 16GB14:52
mrgoodcati don't remember what i have in my desktop14:52
mrgoodcatbut i never use it all14:52
jrwrenxubuntu in a chromebook chroot?14:52
mrgoodcatjrwren: yes14:53
jrwrenthat almost makes me want one :)14:53
brouschAnd you switch back and forth with a key combo like ctrl+shift+Back (a Chromebook keyboard key)14:54
brouschhttps://github.com/dnschneid/crouton14:55
mrgoodcati actually prefer chrubuntu though14:56
brouschBah, might as well get a regular laptop if you want to run regular linux14:57
mrgoodcathaha14:57
mrgoodcatthe chroot was a little bit limited14:57
brouschI just need it for minecraft14:58
jrwrenI'm going to send a bookie gsoc email. my name is jay raymond wren. i am a 19th year professional. I know me some pythons. I code sweet shit. I am interested in bookie14:58
brouschUsing it for development would suck due to the low res screen14:58
brouschjrwren: You're not a student!14:58
jrwrenbrousch: i'll always be a student of life and of rick_h_14:59
mrgoodcatenroll in online university14:59
jrwreni'm taking stanford u online freebee courses.14:59
mrgoodcatuniversity of phoenix14:59
jrwrenno, they are evil.14:59
mrgoodcatlol14:59
mrgoodcatt'was a joke anyways15:00
jrwreni know :)15:00
ColonelPanic001hi Klaudioh15:00
jrwrenbut seriously, hte level of evil of oracle, google, apple, microsoft is a fraction compared to the evil of hte phoenix u15:00
greg-ghah15:00
Klaudiohhello15:01
cmaloneyHI Klaudioh15:03
cmaloneyUdacity and Coursera are my classrooms of Choice15:03
cmaloneyThough I'm taking a course at Udemy for Game Design.15:03
KlaudiohI love Coursera15:04
ColonelPanic001I'm doing a Coursera course now15:04
ColonelPanic001but it's in Nutrition15:04
ColonelPanic001not computery stuff15:05
cmaloneyThat's fine15:05
ColonelPanic001but now I know how malnurished I am15:05
cmaloneywhatever floats your boar.15:05
cmaloney(I'm not admitting that was a typo)15:05
ColonelPanic001everyone: Klaudioh is a WSU student / student employee in our group with me and _stink_ and etc. Klaudioh: This is everyone. cmaloney is the guy I told you does the creative-commons metal podcast15:05
ColonelPanic001cmaloney: I was hoping it wasn't.15:06
cmaloney:)15:06
cmaloneyNew episode release yesterday.15:06
Klaudiohhaha thanks for introducing me and it's nice to meet you all =]15:06
cmaloneyKlaudioh: Welcome to our little corner of the Internet.15:06
ColonelPanic001I have to get caught up on OMC. Arg. On the other hand, I have tons of it waiting for me, so there's a silver lining.15:07
cmaloneyEpisode 90 is a double-decker.15:08
ColonelPanic001just skip the upper deckers.15:09
jrwrenKlaudioh: my condolences.15:10
Klaudiohhahaha15:11
greg-gso, gnutls15:12
jrwrengreg-g: i like openssl :)15:12
greg-g:P15:12
jrwreni feel it gets a bad rep.15:12
greg-gfrom openssl's changelog "Make openssl verify return errors." heh15:12
greg-ghttps://www.openssl.org/news/changelog.html15:12
greg-gthe gnutls advisory, for those who don't know: http://www.gnutls.org/security.html#GNUTLS-SA-2014-215:13
brouschjrwren: Really? I didn't know Phoenix was evil15:13
greg-gvery15:13
jrwrengreg-g: in what ways are gnutls important to you?15:15
cmaloneySSL + TLS more than likely?15:18
greg-gjrwren: I don't know, it isn't installed on my laptop15:20
greg-glol: https://twitter.com/danbarker/status/43912557011522355215:25
jrwrenthat is the thing, its rarely used.15:26
jrwrenthe only place I have to use gnutls is pycurl is linked against it :(15:26
jrwreni should say, pycurl in ubuntu.  pycurl itself can build against either15:27
jrwrenbut I feel like i worked around that.15:27
cmaloneygreg-g: hah15:29
rick_h_jrwren: lol, I'll help you polish up your application15:48
rick_h_very cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuNhpass4Y&feature=youtu.be mrgoodcat17:05
rick_h_from https://plus.google.com/104358235952874475094/posts/cPmZofCRSA317:05
jrwrenlol @ camera up to the screen.17:23
jrwrenmaybe they need a screencap program for mir next.17:24
rick_h_hard to do touch based like that17:31
rick_h_I guess if you do something where it highlights touch points and such you can do something17:31
jrwrenyes, i didn't see the touch yet17:39
cmaloneyhttp://www.theverge.com/2014/3/3/5465264/microsoft-cortana-windows-phone-screenshots17:43
cmaloneyWhy do I see the following scenario:17:44
cmaloney"Cortana: where did I park my car?"17:44
cmaloney"There are 4 car dealerships in the area with 4 or better stars on Yelp"17:45
cmaloney"Cortana: No, where is my car?"17:45
rick_h_Cortana?! I mean really? They couldn't think of a better name?17:45
cmaloney"Do you need towing assistance?"17:45
cmaloney"Cortana: No, I need to find my fucking car"17:46
cmaloney"There is a massage parlor on the corner of 4th and Lincoln that specializes in ..."17:46
cmaloney"Cortana: How much is a new Android Phone?"17:46
cmaloney"Let me check Google. One moment..."17:47
ColonelPanic001heh17:50
greg-gman, that soundtrack for that mir+chrome video is over the top :)17:51
jrwrenjeeves is taken.17:53
jrwrenwho is the butler from Batman?17:53
cmaloneyAlfred. Taken.17:54
cmaloneyAnd since they own Halo it makes sense.17:54
jrwrenI think they could have bought it. The mac program is basically obsolete.17:54
cmaloneyDon't have to worry about some estate coming in to claim naming rights.17:54
jrwrenCortana is just meh bad.  I'd have prefered Clippy.17:55
cmaloneyand more importantly, back royalties.17:55
jrwren"Clippy: where did I park my car?"17:55
cmaloneyClippy has a bunch of baggage though17:55
jrwrenhuge baggage17:55
jrwrenstill, better than cortana17:55
cmaloneyjrwren: "It appears you are trying to locate something"17:55
cmaloneyjrwren: "Would you like to:"17:55
jrwrenlol17:55
cmaloneyjrwren: "Find your keys"17:55
cmaloneyjrwren: "Find the nearest bridge to commit suicide"17:55
cmaloneyjrwren: "eat an apple"17:56
jrwren"Clippy: no, said where is my car, I want seppuku"17:58
cmaloneyjrwren: "You appear to be drunk."17:59
cmaloneyjrwren: "Here are some hangover remedies: eggs, water, shotgun"17:59
cmaloneygreg-g: APC = ?18:13
jrwrena perfect circle?18:14
cmaloneyjrwren: Yeah no.18:14
cmaloneygreg-g: average propensity to consumption?18:15
jrwrenamerican power company?18:19
greg-gcmaloney: jrwren "Article Processing Fee"18:20
jrwrenhttps://gist.github.com/DavyLandman/935141618:22
jrwrenso cool.18:22
jrwrenmaybe not as powerful or flexible, but its far more readable than the sslh beast :) https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh/blob/master/sslh-main.c18:23
cmaloneygreg-g: That's crazy18:45
greg-gcmaloney: yep.18:46
mrgoodcatrick_h_: cool video. can't wait until i get to try it18:57
wafhaha, i have a coworker who is discovering the joys of Eclipse (the ide)19:02
wafnormally, he curses very rarely19:02
rick_h_waf: lol19:03
wafbut he just sent out this email `It is slow. And it fucking crashes all the fucking time. What the fuck. Fuck. And when I whined about it. I was told: "Yeah. It does that." Fuck.`19:03
rick_h_I had someone come into #bookie "How do I get bookie to work with eclipse?"19:03
rick_h_I ran away19:03
wafi spent the last year or so on eclipse, so there's a bit of schadenfreude going on here.19:04
brouschEclipse is awesome. Eclipse is the best.19:07
jrwrenhahahahaha.19:16
jrwrenomg, django middleware is simple. I had no idea it was so simple19:25
wafis it just a chain of interceptors? or is it something different?19:26
jrwrenyes, I guess that is all it is.19:26
jrwrenonly a single member method to implement.19:27
wafi always kinda treated django middleware as opaque magic19:27
cmaloneywaf: Same here.19:28
wafthen i looked into clojure a bit, and realized that really everything is just functions all the way down19:28
jrwrenthat is true... always19:28
cmaloneyI need to get into the habit of looking more at Python sourcecode.19:28
cmaloneybecause a) it's sourcecode, and b) documentation can lie. :)19:28
cmaloneyThat and it's kinda neat to see what folks are doing.19:29
jrwrenthat is true of every language, not just python19:30
cmaloneyRight, but it's distressing to me that I don't take advantage of it more19:33
jrwrenit should be!19:33
cmaloneysince Python doesn't directly rely on things like .class or .o crap (.pyc files notwithstanding but they're usally accompanied by the .py files)19:34
jrwrencmaloney: that is a sentence fragment and not a complete thought. What did you mean to say?19:39
wafmade sense to me. he's just saying that python library code is super-accessible19:41
cmaloneywhat waf parsed. ;)19:42
jrwrenI didn't read it as a continuation. My bad.19:42
cmaloneynp19:44
jrwreni don't care what anyone says, python ain't so bad and is downright great!19:47
rick_h_until it pisses us off with some issue and then it sucks!19:48
jrwrentruth!19:55
jrwrenbut today, I love it :)19:55
jrwrenpython's thread docs suggest that maybe I should not use it and prefer threading? is this true?20:15
jrwreni really just want start_new_thread(lambda _,__: ..., (None,None))20:18
rick_h_heh, threads are ok as long as it's within reason. Quickly you go to multi process module instead20:19
jrwrenits all IO bound20:19
jrwreni'm asking more about thread module v. threading module20:19
rick_h_oh, yea, didn't thread get deprecated?20:20
rick_h_go get http://pythonhosted.org//futures/20:20
rick_h_the backported module from py3.220:20
rick_h_<320:21
jrwrenthat is exactly what I want.20:30
rick_h_cool20:30
jrwren ThreadPoolExecutor().submit(lambda: cache.set('a', long_running_thing()))20:31
jrwrensomeone should just make a pypi to ubuntu repo system.20:39
widoxanyone going to KalamazooX this year? http://kalamazoox.org/20:55
rick_h_no, I always get tempted as it seems cool20:56
widoxI feel like someone went last year...20:56
jrwrenme.20:56
jrwrenyes, I plan to go.20:56
widoxjrwren: ah ok. must be good then for a return visit20:58
jrwreni liked it.20:58
jrwrenwaf was there too IIRC20:59
greg-glooks cool20:59
greg-gthe videos from last year make it look small21:00
jrwreni should have been at every one. I've know Mike for many years, but it is often on the weekend of my daughters birthday.21:00
jrwrenit is small. its single track.21:00
jrwren100ish people.21:00
greg-gcool21:01
widoxyeah, that's what I was guessing looknig at the pictures from last year21:01
widoxI like the concept21:01
greg-gditto21:01
widoxand, only $50!21:02
ColonelPanic001Kalamazooks21:03
jrwrenand last year was awesome because github sponsored an open bar at bells after the conference.21:03
jrwreni was sad I had to drive back to AA at a reasonable hour :)21:04
brouschjrwren: I've not been there, but the topics seem useless21:07
brouschNon-technical21:07
widoxbrousch: haha. did you read the goal of the conf on the main page?21:10
brouschwidox: Yes. Seems useless21:11
greg-g"who needs soft skills" says the anthropology undergrad major21:11
greg-g:P21:11
brouschExactly21:11
jrwrenlol @ useles.21:25
jrwrenmental note: never hire brousch21:25
greg-glol21:25
jrwren'cept I can't really lol, cuz it is really just sad.21:25
jrwren*sad trombone*21:25
greg-grick_h_: you might be interested in this conversation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project_management_tools/Review/Options21:26
greg-galso, it's happening on our public "team practices" which we've explicitly invited other non-WMF people to: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices21:27
greg-g(people from Mozilla and Red Hat and a few other places are on there now)21:27
jrwrenno review board?21:28
jrwrendamn, how many devs to WMF have?21:28
greg-ghttps://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff?showall=121:29
greg-gI dind't know of review board21:29
jrwrencool page.21:30
jrwrenwell, now you know of reviewboard. I like it.21:30
greg-gcool21:30
jrwrenrbtools is a nice python package for talking too it too.21:30
rick_h_reviewboard is cool, I keep wanting to use it for something. Tried to get it into morpace21:31
rick_h_greg-g: looking21:31
greg-ghuh21:32
rick_h_huh what?21:33
greg-gnot as clean of a ui as gerrit, it appears to me21:33
greg-g(review board)21:33
rick_h_python based, django so easy to hack and support21:33
greg-ghuh was "that's two recommendations for it"21:33
rick_h_I've not used gerrit though21:33
rick_h_I've tracked reviewboard dev for a while though21:33
rick_h_we just end up using LP, then reitveld, then github21:33
rick_h_I think it's a good active project and being django based it's flexible and easy for my head to get around for the most part.21:34
* greg-g nods21:34
rick_h_gerrit always seemed more complex, java, etc21:35
greg-gyeah21:35
greg-gwe want to get away from it21:35
rick_h_and the few links I've seen to reviews on gerrit I've not found the UX great21:35
greg-gwe're looking at Phabricator21:35
greg-gwell, a few of us are21:35
greg-gthis page represents the bigger org-wide discussion21:35
rick_h_wow, well not looked at that in a long long time21:35
greg-gwe didn't either, it wasn't ready when we first looked (didn't support pre-commit review...)21:36
rick_h_yea, that's the biggest thing is wiring it up with CI, for all these tools21:36
rick_h_we had to write up our own tool to use github in a decent way21:36
greg-gyeah21:37
greg-gwe won't use github, for a lot of reasons :)21:37
greg-g(see the talk page)21:37
rick_h_yea, understood21:37
rick_h_check out stridercd for CI as well. It's small but seems cool if you're into nodejs stuff.21:39
rick_h_I started to look at it, but we've got a lot more jenkins know-how internally21:40
greg-gyeah, same here (re internal knowledge)21:41
rick_h_I just wish it had a better backup/restore story21:41
greg-ghuh21:41
jrwrengreg-g: you are nuts!  gerrit is vomit compared to review board.21:41
rick_h_hand editing fields in a UI for setting up and such is a PITA!21:42
jrwrengerrit is a large part of the reason I cannot contribute to openstack.  it is simply too complex.21:42
greg-gjrwren: that demo instance looks too ugly to me, gerrit is much clearn (ie: not full of bright colors)21:42
jrwrenreviewboard is nice and simple.21:42
greg-gyeah, it's a pain21:42
rick_h_I setup a reviewboard instance back at morpace and it's wasn't bad. It's definitely worse in that demo because all the data is in the stale alarm state.21:43
rick_h_I'd expect most of your stuff to not be months old and red21:43
rick_h_and it's django so easy to customize the design/templates :)21:43
rick_h_once you get past the awful django templates21:43
jrwrenits django? ha! i had no idea.21:43
rick_h_yea21:44
jrwrenoh come on now... its not aweful. it just jinja2 lite.21:44
greg-g:)21:44
rick_h_yea, awful21:44
jrwrengreg-g: really? no gnutls for you?  on ubuntu its linked to libcups2 and libgnome and libgnomevfs :(21:45
greg-gjrwren: I was wrong21:45
greg-gI looked at gnutls-bin, not libgnutls2621:45
jrwrenoh, NOW i see your follow up tweet :)21:46
greg-g:)21:46
jrwrenhey, I liked your first tweet too. it prompted me to check for myself :)21:46
greg-g:)21:46
greg-ga learning experience for everyone21:46
rick_h_greg-g: cool though, we should do a lococast with cmaloney and chat about tooling and such like that at some point.21:47
rick_h_greg-g: would be cool to share the thoughts/process you guys used and what not21:48
greg-gdefinitely!21:48

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