[00:10] Noskcaj: btw, did you refresh the xubuntu-artwork tarball yet? [00:56] bluesabre, are you about? [01:02] bluesabre, I've been testing the new version of menulibre and it's working well except there's still one thing I don't understand [01:03] i.e., what's the correlation between 'hide from menus' in menulibre and 'show' in alacarte? [01:03] for some launchers, there seems to be a direct correlation but not for others [01:09] e.g., under Accessories, I can click Show for Accessibility in alacarte and it will show in whiskermenu... [01:09] then if I click Hide from menus in menulibre, it will disappear from whiskermenu... [01:10] but if I unhide it in menulibre, it does not come back. [01:11] to get it to show again, I have to go back into alacarte. Am I missing something? [01:46] jjfrv8: that is bizarre [01:46] I notice that it happens with accessibility, but not with gnome-calculator [01:46] I wonder if its some issue with items that are also in the settings manager [01:48] hmmm, maybe so. I didn't check to see where the launchers were, I was just trying to get some of the ones that were in the list to show up. [01:55] since you were also experimenting with alacarte, does it fare any better? [01:56] as far as showing and hiding things, yes, it seems to. [01:56] ok, I might have to look into that [01:57] I just tried Gigolo, which is not in Settings Manager, and it too only seems to work with alacarte [01:58] showing and hiding that app seems to work for me [01:58] hmm [02:00] I suppose one thing you can try [02:00] remove ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu [02:00] and then try it again [02:00] might be an issue left over from the previous menulibre [02:01] wilco [02:04] no joy. I saw menulibre recreate the file but when I turned Hide from menus off, gigolo still did not show up. [02:04] I had to turn it back on with alacarte [02:08] and I assume you're saving after the change? [02:09] yes [02:09] ok, I'll take a look at that [02:09] maybe I can make some sense of it [02:09] or add a hack-tastic fix :) [02:10] :) [02:48] ochosi: I refreshed it on saturday. Check the bug to see if there's been changes since my last tarball [02:48] Still waiting for sponsors for it [02:49] Noskcaj_school: I sent in my request to join PAPT last night [02:51] not sure how long that takes to get approved [02:52] if you're eager, I released mugshot 0.2.1 over the weekend as well [02:52] https://launchpad.net/mugshot/0.2/0.2.1 [02:52] heh [03:10] bluesabre: I'll package it when i get home. Going to the #debian-python channel in OFTC and asking one of the PAPT admins should help you [06:02] mugshot 0.2.1 packaged, the d/watch appears to need work though [06:05] bluesabre, The people you have to ping to get PAPT access: scottk, p1otr, bzed. Some of them are in ubuntu channels too [12:15] ochosi, lderan: added a method for light-locker restarting here: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/light-locker-settings/trunk/revision/42 [12:15] if you want to utilize that to make it so you no longer have to restart your session for settings to take place [12:16] requirements: python-psutil [14:44] bluesabre: bug 1165266 [14:44] bug 1165266 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "missing keyboard shortcuts" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1165266 [14:44] fix released, correct? [14:50] that reminds me of something [14:50] xfce bug 10630 [14:50] xfce bug 10630 in General "keyboard settings panel ignores state of "startup-notification" key when resetting to defaults." [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10630 [14:52] lderan, bluesabre (and everyone else i guess): light-locker-settings just got uploaded to the archive! [14:52] \o/ [14:55] ochosi, thanks for taking care [14:55] well, i got lucky [14:56] this could've also taken days [14:59] brainwash: yup, that fix should be released already [15:01] I leave it to bluesabre then to close the report :) [15:04] lazy brainwash [15:04] ochosi: looks like we can drop these files [15:04] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/xubuntu-default-settings/trusty/files/head:/etc/skel/ [15:04] or keep them for people who like to switch back to xscreensaver? [15:04] i'd say keep them for now [15:04] i don't see a reason to remove them [15:05] there are ppl who might prefer the locking of xscreensaver [15:05] we dropped xscreensaver [15:05] yes, right :) [15:05] apart from it being butt-ugly, it works fine [15:05] and it's very light [15:06] lighter than light-locker :P [15:06] as is light-locker [15:06] so what's the diff of the two processes running then? [15:09] both processes are light I guess [15:10] but lightdm-gtk-greeter has a bigger footprint [15:10] well luckily that's not the part that keeps running in the background ;) [15:11] will we be able to drop light-locker and use xscreensaver instead? [15:11] of course [15:12] i'll probably write a blog-post for xubuntu.org about the switch [15:14] ochosi: any idea regarding bug 998649 ? the mythbuntu package conflicts with the xubuntu one starting with 13.04, can we mark it as "won't fix" then? [15:14] bug 998649 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "package mythbuntu-default-settings (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/etc/skel/.xscreensaver', which is also in package xubuntu-default-settings 12.04.11" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/998649 [15:15] a fix for precise/quantal seems to be very unlikely [15:16] yup, very [15:17] ok [15:18] knome: ^ [15:20] so fix for precise/quantal very unlikely -> mark xubuntu-default-settings as "won't fix" [15:26] ochosi: did you read bug 1286846 ? [15:26] bug 1286846 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "wiskers menu search/button placement" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1286846 [15:28] I like the idea of moving the search field and action buttons to the top, but making it the default.. not sure about that [15:29] please comment on this request [15:35] what about changing the order of the buttons? [15:36] if you have the whiskermenu on the right, the order is not ideal [15:37] ochosi: thanks for commenting [15:37] koegs: we're only talking the default setup here [15:38] ppl who can move the menubutton to a different position can also change the settings [16:27] pleia2, slickymaster: is bug 1255835 still occurring? [16:27] bug 1255835 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Incomplete Lanugage Support dialog on first bootup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1255835 [16:32] brainwash: As I'll have to set a new VM box to confirm it, and right now I'm sort of stuck with a prblem ina database at work, I'll have to get back to you on that tomorrow [16:32] s/prblem ina/problem in a [16:32] slickymasterWork: but the information dialog is nothing special, or is it? [16:34] do the (missing) language packages usually get installed during the actual xubuntu installation? [16:38] brainwash: no, the language packages aren't installed during the xub install [16:39] brainwash: to what information dialog are you referring? [16:39] about the incomplete language support [16:42] bluesabre: seeing that you did the latest changes to xubuntu-meta, could you also please take a look at bug 1279470 [16:42] bug 1279470 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "xubuntu, lubuntu images missing secure boot packages" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279470 [16:42] brainwash: back then I didn't gave it to much importance since not only the install went through successfully but also it allowed to afterwards install the languages packages [16:43] * slickymasterWork apologizes for the delay in the responses, but he's with an eye on the channel and the other in a server log [16:44] slickymasterWork: thanks for answering :) I'm just trying to clean up launchpad [16:44] so nothing of importance :P [16:44] brainwash: no problem. And thanks for taking care ;) [17:41] brainwash: yeah, I think so :( I won't have time to test this week though (not at home) [17:42] bluesabre: If you look at the bug brainwash linked to, the key is in ship-live. [17:43] pleia2: no worries! :) [17:45] ochosi: I thought that we were having -messages and -network in the indicator panel, or is today's daily just not up to date [17:48] elfy: i'm not sure whether micahg merged everything for the seed and uploaded it yet [17:48] and -network is misleading [17:48] ok - wasn't sure [17:48] we're not actually using indicator-network [17:48] we're using nm-applet, which uses indicator-application [17:49] oh - ok [17:49] which is still buggy (known issues of gtk3 indicators) [17:49] so it mostly falls back to a trayicon [17:49] mmm - seems to be ok here - if that's what I've actually got :) [17:50] Downgrading indicator-application worked fine when I did it in VM. [17:50] whatever I've got - is sitting in indicator plugin [17:53] Unit193: downgrading to what? [17:54] The saucy one. [17:54] yeah, that's not really an option [17:54] For xubuntu? No. For elfy? Maybe. :P [17:54] we are still waiting for the ubuntu guy(s) to fix it =S [17:55] * Unit193 is reminded of the "still waiting for" meme... [17:55] * elfy has been downgrading elfy for a long time - he's looking to get to the 25 year old version and pin it ... [17:56] The amount of launchpad bug reports is too damn high! [18:13] elfy: it works for you because you applied the workaround................... [18:15] ali1234: aah - ok - I'm completely lost with the whole shebang [18:16] i could be thinking of someone else, but it's the ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS thing [18:16] #! [18:18] ali1234: I'd assume so - now I remember it [18:59] ochosi: bodhi switched to lightdm with gtk-greeter :) [18:59] ali1234: oh nice :) [18:59] http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/bodhi-linux-300-alpha-release.html [19:02] they're also using greybird it seems [19:02] yes [19:02] and it looks like they're missing a session-badge [19:03] for the login screen - they use e for the desktop [19:03] for whatever session they're running (i guess e17) [19:04] yeah, but for gtk apps they still seem to be using greybird: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-53125f5c5e1919.84283754.jpg [19:05] ochosi: do you have any idea why the mail reader in whiskermenu is a different size? [19:05] the icon? [19:05] yea - helps if I write whole sentences ... [19:05] also http://www.reddit.com/r/xfce/comments/1zfvve/giant_icons/ [19:06] elfy: depending on what icon-size you're using that size might be missing from elementary-xfce [19:06] livesession [19:07] well, i have no idea what the default setting is right now [19:07] you can show me a screenshot, then i can tell you [19:07] the size we'll be using in xubuntu is "smaller" [19:07] (aka 24px) [19:08] http://imagebin.org/297220 [19:10] as soon as xubuntu-artwork has been uploaded, this will be fixed [19:11] cool - I shall pass that on :) [19:11] thanks ochosi [19:11] no problem [19:12] and feel free to set whiskermenu to use the "smaller" appicons [19:12] in the properties [19:12] as that'll be our default [19:12] was pqwoerituytrueiwoq on the forum asking that [19:13] my default is smaller already for the menu here [19:13] ok [19:13] that guy should probably hang out on irc more [19:13] he submits many bugreports [19:13] most of them valid and useful [19:14] feel free to encourage him [19:14] yep [19:14] I do - I mentioned the meeting Thursday there - as he was also asking about Software Centre being a default [19:15] "being a default"? [19:15] in the list you see [19:17] [13:12:26] queuebot:#ubuntu-release: New: accepted light-locker-settings [i386] (trusty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1] [19:17] is that going to be in the seed - I assume it is [19:17] (Yes, I read the words above that.) [19:18] the now known as words? [19:18] Unit193: yup, i know [19:18] Unit193: 15:52 ochosi$ lderan, bluesabre (and everyone else i guess): light-locker-settings just got uploaded to the archive! [19:19] ochosi: Heh, knew you knew, backlog there says as much. Didn't happen to see that here. [19:20] :) [19:20] but yeah, i'm happy it landed finally [19:21] I'd not read the backlog - but I did then [22:07] Sooo, I'm going to call the upgrade a fail, fglrx doesn't work. [23:40] Unit193: having xorg problems? [23:42] Terrible res, bit fuzzy, and lag as if I was running mir. Somehow I got fglrx to work, not really sure how... (Had reinstalled, swapped it out for -updates, and many others which all left me with a black screen, removing would get me the terrible display.) [23:42] and radeon doesnt work for you? [23:44] That was the first bit, terrible. [23:44] But, fglrx is fixed somehow. [23:44] brainwash: re https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279470, need an answer to gilir's question first... and... [23:44] Launchpad bug 1279470 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "xubuntu, lubuntu images missing secure boot packages" [High,Confirmed] [23:45] *buntu-meta are auto-generated from the current seed, so also dependant on that [23:54] bluesabre: See my ping? [23:56] Unit193: yes, but that didn't make it clear as to what needs to be added to ship-live, unless I should actually look at ones that do work... [23:59] bluesabre: * shim-signed [amd64] and * grub-efi-amd64-signed [amd64]