[00:02] <valorie> nice!
[00:09] <ahoneybun_> yep
[00:13]  * ahoneybun_ needs a cool hostname for his macbook
[00:18] <valorie> Mac the Knife
[00:19] <valorie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qrjtr_uFac
[00:21] <ahoneybun_> http://vizzzion.org/blog/2014/02/next-means-focus-on-the-core/
[00:22] <ahoneybun_> valorie, MactheKnife?
[00:22] <valorie> I sang that song back in high school pop choir; still love it
[00:23]  * ahoneybun_ goes with KuBook
[00:23] <valorie> isn't that new K with all the color behind it *gorgeous*!?
[00:23] <ahoneybun_> pretty nice
[00:23] <valorie> I'm really happy about the new push by the design/art folks
[00:24] <valorie> perfect timing
[00:24] <ahoneybun_> yea that is something that KDE really needs
[00:24] <valorie> I think Nuno is a genius, and stepped down just in time
[00:24] <ahoneybun_> I like what I am reading about in the "beyond devices" section of that article
[01:11]  * ahoneybun_ for some reason fails to install kubuntu but can install ubuntu
[08:36] <Riddell> hola chicos
[08:38] <jussi> hiya Riddell
[08:38] <jussi> I think I should steal myself a shirt :P
[09:29] <agateau> I can has review? https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-cropped-greeter-buttons/+merge/208628
[09:33] <xnox> agateau: does that work with changing languages on the fly? (button is resized / redrawn?!)
[09:33] <agateau> xnox: it should
[09:36] <xnox> agateau: i agree that it should =) above meant as a question, whether you tested it and it worked or not =))))
[09:37] <agateau> xnox: heh. I believe I tested it, but I don't remember since it was last week and my brain fails me on such info.
[09:38] <agateau> xnox: I can test it if you are willing to review it (but isn't it the point of the review to try corner cases?)
[09:38] <apachelogger> we do have a test case for installation with localization, so we'd notice for beta2 I guess ^^
[09:39] <xnox> agateau: well, that's the only corner case i can come up with, and xml/code looks valid =) and i don't feel like pulling a kde image to test i18n =))))))
[09:39] <xnox> agateau: otherwise, i'd merge it.
[09:39] <apachelogger> xnox: btw, do you know what tech is used to extra the menu data for app-install-data? it used to be archive-crawler, but that launchpad project has disappeared apparently
[09:40] <xnox> apachelogger: there is a magic branch owned by ~mvo that does it, i think.
[09:40] <apachelogger> going to browse mvo's branches then, thx ^^
[09:41] <apachelogger> xnox, agateau: just merge, I'll put down a card to make sure someone tests it
[09:43] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/0ls4KLRB
[10:42] <soee> so 4.12.3 is avaialble for Trusty already ? :)
[10:46] <Riddell> soee: in proposed yes
[10:46] <soee> hmm
[10:46] <Riddell> but blocked by strigi
[10:46] <soee> im trying to avoid proposed
[10:47] <Riddell> which is also bug 1281340 in the sponsors queue
[10:47] <Riddell> soee: live on the edge!
[10:47] <soee> i did ;D and finished with fresh installation 2 weeks ago :)
[10:47] <soee> but are we talking about  kubuntu or ubuntu proposed 
[10:47] <soee> is there difference ?
[10:48] <Riddell> no, it's all the same archive
[10:48] <soee> ok, thank you
[10:49] <soee> Riddell: and when do you plan to release kde 5 alphas for tests ?
[10:53] <Riddell> soee: there's no such thing as kde 5 (a shame, missed branding opportunity really) but there is kde frameworks 5 up now in kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[10:54] <soee> Riddell: so how it will be called ? just 4.13 ?
[11:00] <Riddell> soee: the next KDE SC will be 4.13
[11:01] <Riddell> the next plasma will be Plasma Next and uses KF5 libraries, it should be out next week
[11:01] <Riddell> other applications will be ported to KF5 as they are able
[11:07] <soee> and Trusty will be released with latest 4.12 ?
[11:09] <apachelogger> soee: 4.13
[11:09] <apachelogger> 4.13 has nothing to do with frameworks 5
[11:12] <soee> uhm im a bit confused ;)
[11:15] <lordievader> How is the iso size now Krita and Kexi are removed? Hope it is no longer oversized.
[11:23] <Riddell> have they been removed?
[11:24] <Riddell> so they have
[11:24] <Riddell> but amd64 still oversized
[11:24] <Riddell> amd64 still has it on
[11:24] <Riddell> ah -meta only just uploaded
[11:25] <Riddell> lordievader: need to wait until tomorrow to find out
[11:25] <lordievader> Ah I see, keeping my fingers crossed.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:58] <sgclark> Riddell: kservice is ready
[11:58] <Riddell> morning sgclark :)
[11:59] <sgclark> Riddell: morning :)
[12:00] <Riddell> anyone have great ideas on fixing this build? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strigi/0.7.8-1ubuntu1/+build/5619309
[12:00] <sgclark> Riddell: I did more studying on the symbols with the encouragement of shadeslayer, I think I have it figured out now, so doing it the right way now.
[12:00] <Riddell> relevant code hasn't changed since it built in 0.7.7
[12:01] <Riddell> sgclark: lovely
[12:02] <Riddell> sgclark: looks like solid needs another fix, new file since I changed the build system
[12:03] <sgclark> ok
[12:09] <sgclark> Riddell: this looks like that error on strigi? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/755
[12:18] <Riddell> sgclark: interesting, good stuff!
[12:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger did you upload libkomparediff and kwalletmanager?
[12:25] <apachelogger> I did not
[12:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is tomahawk fixed yet btw?
[12:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I have a fix, I'll upload it today
[12:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: um not that I know of, should I have?
[12:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah I left you a message yesterday :P
[12:26] <apachelogger> quassel says shadeslayer poked about it yesterday evening
[12:26] <apachelogger> alas, he did not say where to find the dsc
[12:27] <shadeslayer> just run kubuntu-archive-upload
[12:27] <shadeslayer> with the necessary parameters
[12:27] <sgclark> Riddell: solid ready
[12:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[12:35] <apachelogger> pong
[12:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when you have time, can you help me with kconf debugging
[12:38] <apachelogger> like I know more about it ^^
[12:38] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is your latest stuff in your branch or did you not change anything yet?
[12:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they're not in the branch, but you have to pass the Favorites group and FavoriteURLs Key
[12:40] <apachelogger> huh?
[12:40] <shadeslayer> then it reads the right file
[12:40] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[12:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: moment
[12:42] <Riddell> upstream want to change to oxygen by default, that'll finally give us the dilemma of ubuntu or oxygen fonts
[12:43] <sgclark> Riddell: kiconthemes ready
[12:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: changes pushed to bzr
[12:44] <Riddell> hmm new akonadi out
[12:53] <apachelogger> sorry, phone just went a bit crazy
[12:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, what seems to be the problem?
[12:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: doesn't write new value to file 
[12:54] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7038362/
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I've tried that too
[12:55] <apachelogger> lemme test dat
[12:57] <apachelogger> :o
[12:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: works for me?
[12:57] <shadeslayer> it does? :O
[12:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: with 
[12:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've uploaded strigi wiht a fix for ppc64el so maybe kde will be able to transition when that's in
[12:58] <shadeslayer> +Overwrite?
[12:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you push your upd file, so that we can close the bug?
[13:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how did that not work for you? Oo
[13:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i really don't know, this was on a clean upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04
[13:01] <apachelogger> why don't you simply fumble your kickoffrc into shape such that it contains kopete and rekonq? :O
[13:02] <apachelogger> (on a complete related note , we technically need an update script for plasma-netbook....)
[13:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Because I wanted to test the upgrader?
[13:02] <apachelogger> no, you wanted to fix the update script, no? :P
[13:05] <shadeslayer> both
[13:05] <apachelogger> that worked out well :P
[13:06]  * apachelogger gets some tea
[13:06] <shadeslayer> it was only after I kicked off the update that I realized that I can also test the latter
[13:07] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[13:13] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/0da0eVuH
[13:14] <apachelogger> latest numbers: 28 todo, 14 doing, 0 review, 67 done, 17 postponed, 11 abandoned
[13:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: about that, how do you find those numbers ? :P
[13:14] <apachelogger> no clue, it displays it for me :P
[13:15] <apachelogger> might be a greasemonkey script
[13:15] <shadeslayer> where? :D
[13:15] <apachelogger> I have no clue
[13:15] <apachelogger> I always install stuff and then I see more than other people xD
[13:15] <apachelogger> <- perfect target for malware
[13:15] <shadeslayer> no, where does it show for you? xD
[13:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on the boards
[13:16] <apachelogger> "Oxygen as default font" oh my
[13:16] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's the output of dpkg-query -W --showformat='${binary:Package};${Version};${Status}\n' | grep -v deinstall | grep -v "install ok installed"
[13:25] <apachelogger> like for your system
[13:26] <shadeslayer> nothing
[13:26] <shadeslayer> le empty
[13:26] <apachelogger> anyone else around?
[13:26] <apachelogger> CHANNELPING
[13:28] <apachelogger> I really thought there was another value
[13:30] <apachelogger> install ok config-files
[13:30] <apachelogger> no clue what it means ^^
[13:34] <apachelogger> man, the build queues -.-
[13:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/
[13:35] <shadeslayer> ENOCSS?
[13:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm shuffling everything about to tidy it, still working on it
[13:35] <shadeslayer> okie
[13:49] <apachelogger> so
[13:49] <apachelogger> I think we may want to introduce some fake desktop files to get stuff to show up in discover
[13:49] <Riddell> yes
[13:50] <Riddell> like kde sdk?
[13:50] <apachelogger> getting a blanket solution for kcms and plasmoids will require some serious python haxxoring and collaboration
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: already done, colord-kcm comes to mind
[13:50] <apachelogger> I'd like to boot if off the CD for lack of widespread use
[13:50] <apachelogger> s/CD/ISO/
[13:50] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "I'd like to boot if off the ISO for lack of widespread use"
[13:51] <apachelogger> grub2 kcm might be another thing
[13:52] <apachelogger> and perhaps the plasmoid-addons (though I think those are on the ISO anyway)
[14:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: strigi is in!
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde4libs is in!
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yay
[14:18] <sgclark> Riddell: this is weird, knotifications has a bunch of t3 depends now, did they move it to t3 from t2?
[14:25] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah looks like they did from http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List
[14:27] <sgclark> ahh ok
[14:41] <Riddell> awooga, qt 5.2 appearing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdoc-opensource-src
[14:43] <sgclark> Riddell: knotifications ready
[14:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.3_trusty.html working now
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cool
[14:44] <Riddell> sgclark: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.97.0_trusty.html working again
[14:44] <shadeslayer> though was not required :D
[14:47] <ronnoc> Hi all. I'm sure it's not a high priority at the moment with everything going on regarding 14.04 and KDE F5, but thoughts on bug 1284745?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: saucy and trusty have 4.3.1
[14:47] <shadeslayer> !info ktorrent trusty
[14:49] <Riddell> ronnoc: ↑
[14:49] <ronnoc> shadeslayer: as per bug report, I was thinking (hoping) for a backport to 12.04 - not useable in current state :)
[14:49] <Riddell> bug report is for 12.04
[14:50] <shadeslayer> ronnoc: maybe via kubuntu-backports
[14:51] <Riddell> ronnoc, shadeslayer: I'll look at it
[14:52] <ronnoc> shadeslayer: that would be acceptable. I think someone installing our LTS would want a working torrent app if it's included by default :)
[14:52] <ronnoc> Riddell: Thx! 
[14:52] <sgclark> Riddell: not sure what is going on with red on kconfigwidgets, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+build/5658277 show success and the manpage in in list-missing is listed in not-installed file
[14:52] <shadeslayer> cool
[14:52] <shadeslayer> onwards :)
[14:55] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm
[14:56] <Riddell> sgclark: I don't think the report takes into consideration not-installed
[14:57] <Riddell> which is a bit of a failing if so
[14:57] <sgclark> ok, moving on then :)
[15:01] <Quintasan> Tis' be queer
[15:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: We have no 0.7 for raring
[15:02] <Quintasan> I'm talking about telepathy-kde
[15:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oh
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: raring be unsupported
[15:04] <Quintasan> And quantal and saucy arE?
[15:04] <Riddell> supported but not actively updated with backports
[15:04] <Riddell> saucy and precise are
[15:04] <Quintasan> derp
[15:04] <Quintasan> I though raring is LTS
[15:04] <Quintasan> silly Quintasan
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: plz be testing saucy ktp backports
[15:04] <shadeslayer> in staging
[15:05] <shadeslayer> or Riddell ^^
[15:05] <Quintasan> Certainly, I'm planning to reinstall Kubuntu on muh laptops once trusty comes out so I might as well as turn it into testing grounds
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you have that fancy thing that allows you to test slideshows
[15:07]  * apachelogger blogs http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/kubuntu-testing-and-you/
[15:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so do you?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't know what it's called
[15:08] <shadeslayer> the ubiquity slideshows I mean
[15:08]  * Quintasan reads
[15:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ls
[15:08] <shadeslayer> whut?
[15:08] <apachelogger>  ~/src/bzr/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu  ls *kubuntu*
[15:08] <apachelogger> kubuntu-slideshow.py
[15:08] <apachelogger> u so noob
[15:09] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:09] <shadeslayer> huh
[15:13] <dougl> my plymouth splash does not work on my 14.04 when I test it virtually it works fine and 13.10 on same machine works fine too - any suggestions?
[15:14] <apachelogger> define: does not work
[15:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do you call it :S
[15:17] <shadeslayer> I keep getting ConfigParser.NoSectionError: No section: 'Slideshow'
[15:18] <apachelogger> cannot reproduce
[15:18] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/pEPAVBz.png
[15:19] <shadeslayer> huh works now
[15:20] <dougl> apachelogger, sorry when I test I see the animation full screen and when I boot I see some ugly default kubutu 14.04 with 4 dots underneath
[15:21] <dougl> brb
[15:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/JSy7Q7L.png
[15:22] <shadeslayer> better?
[15:22] <apachelogger> maybe
[15:22] <apachelogger> I dunno
[15:22] <apachelogger> you see the slides
[15:22] <apachelogger> if it looks as big as the others then it's perfect :P
[15:23] <shadeslayer> yeah looks fine
[15:23] <dougl> apachelogger, says kubuntu 14.04 with 4 blue dots underneath
[15:24] <apachelogger> dougl: your graphics driver does not support kernel mode setting, so it cannot use the fancy splash version
[15:24] <apachelogger> nothing we can do about that
[15:24] <apachelogger> there are some workarounds to force mode setting regardless which might work, or might not work for you, google should help
[15:25] <dougl> works like a charm in 13.10 and yesterday in 14.04 - thanks
[15:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude, changing a language takes way too much time
[15:50] <shadeslayer> it's been going on for 25 minutes now
[15:50] <genii> What, there's a fancy splash version?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> genii: yeah :D
[15:52] <shadeslayer> genii: kubuntu logo with a glow that fade's in / out
[15:54] <genii> shadeslayer: I used to have that in 13.04 but for some reason it stopped after I upgraded to 13.10 ( and now 14.04). I figured it was just something with plymouth
[15:55] <genii> ( and got used to watching the dots blink by.... )
[15:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: perhaps your intartubes is slow
[15:56] <apachelogger> or qapt is broken
[15:56] <apachelogger> it should take exactly as long as it takes to download stuffs
[15:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, it's stuck on the thing where it says "Applying changery"
[15:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: screenshot?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/LBV4dPj.png
[15:57] <apachelogger> that's not mine
[15:57] <apachelogger> that's upstreams thing
[15:57] <apachelogger> might be that kbuildsycoca crapped out or something, I am not exactly sure what the dialog does
[15:57] <shadeslayer> doesn't matter, broken http://i.imgur.com/nn7ypbB.png
[15:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does matter, because I do not know how to debug this :P
[15:58] <apachelogger> perhaps gdb attach to systemsettings and try to see if there is a thread lingering
[15:58] <apachelogger> though I doubt it
[15:58] <apachelogger> or check your startkdelog for possible output
[16:00] <Riddell> akonadi 1.11.80 going up, first part of 4.13
[16:00] <shadeslayer> what am I supposed to be looking for?
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and can you try and reproduce it on your machine?
[16:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I cannot
[16:09] <apachelogger> I do recall this happening since kde3 though
[16:09] <apachelogger> completely randomly the reload dialog will get stuck
[16:10] <apachelogger> doesn't happen all this often either
[16:10] <apachelogger> have seen it like twice ever
[16:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: libkomparediff2 still not updated
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where do I find it?
[16:25]  * Riddell uploads a new kcm-touchpad snapshot to fix kde bug 331285
[16:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: ----> cherrypick <----
[16:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: one just uses kubuntu-archive-upload :)
[16:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fyi language kcm sets language for dpkg but then forgets to unset it
[16:29] <apachelogger> hm?
[16:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: change language to catalan -> log out -> log in -> use apt/dpkg -> change language to english -> log out -> log in  ->  use apt -> apt still outputs thingums in Catalan
[16:31] <apachelogger> oh la la
[16:31] <apachelogger> check yer .kde/env/setlanguage.sh
[16:31] <apachelogger> also file a bug
[16:31] <apachelogger> also I was under the impression that sometimes setlanguage is not written
[16:31] <apachelogger> I could not actively reproduce it though
[16:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 
[16:32] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7039332/
[16:32] <apachelogger> might be that I guess
[16:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get debug logs and report bug plz
[16:32] <shadeslayer> what do you want?
[16:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: libkomparediff2_4.12.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes uploaded
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thx
[16:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get debug logs and report bug plz
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, what debug logs do you want :P
[16:33] <apachelogger> kdebug debug logs
[16:33] <soee> i see updates are available now :)
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: too unspecific
[16:34] <apachelogger> za kitten
[16:34] <apachelogger> kdebugdialog -> activate all
[16:35] <apachelogger> systemsettings -> regional settings -> language -> change language, change language back, change language, change language back....
[16:35] <apachelogger> get stdout and stderr of systemsettings
[16:35] <apachelogger> save to file
[16:35] <apachelogger> report bug
[16:35] <apachelogger> attach saved file to bug
[16:35] <shadeslayer> cool
[16:35] <apachelogger> assign bug to ~apachelogger
[16:35] <shadeslayer> will do
[16:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw any clue where one can find the dpkg exit codes?
[16:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in $?
[16:37] <apachelogger> dunno, need context
[16:37] <shadeslayer> no, all possible dpkg exit codes
[16:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: apparently qaptworker calls dpkg manually internally
[16:38] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7039369
[16:38] <apachelogger> why are you looking into that?
[16:38] <apachelogger> it's like the least high profile bug ever
[16:39] <apachelogger> and the problem isn't dpkg, see my comment
[16:39] <apachelogger> it's qapt
[16:39] <shadeslayer> really? I think it's quite important when debs don't install ? :S
[16:39] <apachelogger> you didn't even manage to confirm the bug until i told you how to
[16:40] <apachelogger> besides, the solution is non-trivial
[16:40] <apachelogger> and we'd not want to mess with it past FF
[16:40] <shadeslayer> oh :S
[16:41] <apachelogger> essentially the client application would have to pass the locale to the worker, via dbus
[16:41] <apachelogger> and that then raises the question what happens when more than one client is on the worker
[16:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got any TODO's for me then
[16:43] <apachelogger> trello?
[16:44] <apachelogger> on the note of trello
[16:44] <apachelogger> todo for trello about trello on trello: poke people to trello along their cards
[16:44] <apachelogger> there's cards in doing that have been there for like a month
[16:45] <shadeslayer> will do pokery
[16:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rm -f /tmp/dump.tar.xz <- that should not happen, the dump name should be dependent on whatever mktmp created > Why?
[16:55] <sgclark> Riddell: did you see knotifications was ready a bit back? or did it fail again?
[16:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mind uploading kwalletmanager? so that Riddell can approve from source new then
[17:00] <sgclark> shadeslayer: mind reviewing knotifications? I think Riddell stepped away :)
[17:00] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:02] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer, I must have missed your ping sgclark 
[17:02] <shadeslayer> sgclark: looks fine to me
[17:02] <sgclark> np :) bunch of these only nneed a retry on build, just have to be done in order due to depends
[17:03] <shadeslayer> sgclark: assuming it was just the last commit
[17:03] <sgclark> needs push then, I can't do that :)
[17:06] <Peace-> :) dolphin asks me to install stuff but it fails on 14.04 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/05/plasma-desktopOO2341.png
[17:07] <Peace-> => http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/05/plasma-desktopZe2341.png
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind uploading http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/tomahawk_0.7.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu2.dsc
[17:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: onto it
[17:13] <shadeslayer> cheers
[17:13] <Riddell> "kubuntu_fix_plugin_install.patch" does not comply to policy!
[17:13] <Riddell> should be kubuntu_fix-plugin-install.patch :)
[17:14] <Riddell> "Forwarded: not-needed"  I always think that should have an explanation
[17:15] <shadeslayer> sigh
[17:16] <sgclark> Riddell: or shadeslayer mind uploading knotifications, it is holding up progress
[17:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploaded , plz dget again
[17:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pardon? what's uploaded? what should I dget?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/tomahawk_0.7.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu2.dsc
[17:23] <shadeslayer> fixed as per your suggestions
[17:25] <Riddell> dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field
[17:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'll fix that
[17:25] <Riddell> oh no it's not needed
[17:25] <sgclark> Riddell: kio is ready, minor fix to dev package
[17:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you onto knotifications or shall I?
[17:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: tomahawk uploaded!
[17:26] <shadeslayer> go ahead, I have to fix some other stuff :)
[17:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: like the tomahawk build failures? :)
[17:32] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:32] <shadeslayer> and meh, ppc64el
[17:33] <sgclark> Riddell: kwallet-framework ready
[17:35] <sgclark> I am at a standstill until knotifications, kio, and kwallet build :) I will be back in a few!
[17:39] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[18:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: update werks.
[19:11] <soee> Peace-: you are using gstreamer backend ?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: mind copying over the packages?
[19:22] <Quintasan> To PPA?
[19:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: urgh, kubuntu-updates or backports?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> backports
[19:23]  * Quintasan can't never remember
[19:26] <Peace-> soee: yep
[19:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Done.
[19:30] <shadeslayer> cheers
[19:35] <sgclark> Riddell: did you upload kawallet-framework as well? still showing same failed log
[20:24] <vgezer> apachelogger: hi. I have been discussing about localizaiton of .desktop files "Install Kubuntu" and "Kubuntu Documentation" on desktop after fresh installation as you could remember. (https://trello.com/c/Tym1s4IP/4-l10n-review-2). Why did you guys decide not to include it? Is it due to deadlines?
[20:34] <soee> Peace-: switch to VLC and should work 
[20:34] <soee> i had the same message in Minitube
[20:34] <soee> couldnt sove this :/
[20:34] <soee> after switch to VLC backend all worsk fine
[20:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1077196
[20:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1281036
[20:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: please follow up
[20:52] <Quintasan> ScottK: FYI, I will sign your key if I manage to tidy up mine first.
[20:53] <Quintasan> I'm trying to get rid of unused UIDs in mine and GNUPG docs says it's better to revoke uids instead of deleting them since keyservers won't process the deletion.
[20:53] <Quintasan> Currently I can't see any gpg server saying my uids are revoked.
[20:54] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: Have you seen something like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/1285729 
[20:54] <shadeslayer> I left my iPod back home
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: did you do a source copy of the packages -.-
[20:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: not sure
[20:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you did :(
[20:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: How is that bad?
[20:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: cuz now people will get common internals before the rest of the stack
[20:58]  * Quintasan recalls Launchpad rebuilding the packages if one copies them
[20:58] <Quintasan> aaah
[20:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you can do binary copies
[20:58] <Quintasan> It doesn't rebulid them?
[20:58] <shadeslayer> nope
[20:58] <Quintasan> Like. Uh.
[20:59] <Quintasan> Why'd you do that. I can copy stuff from Trusty to Saucy or even earlier.
[20:59] <Quintasan> This is potentially broken
[20:59] <shadeslayer> sure
[20:59] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: prevents situation that I outlined earlier
[20:59] <Quintasan> Hmm, my bad anyways.
[20:59] <shadeslayer> and since PPA's don't have a -proposed pocket ...
[20:59] <Quintasan> Not going to argue about that.
[21:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'll send the grumpy users your way :P
[21:00] <Quintasan> Okay.
[21:02] <Quintasan> ScottK: Okay, seems like the servers finally registered my changes, you probably want to see them. If that breaks the chain of trust then I'm probably better off not signing your key.
[21:09] <ScottK> Quintasan: Your call.
[21:10] <Quintasan> I'm not an expert on this whole stuff but it looks like I rekoved my signature on the uid so theoretically that should not break it.
[21:14] <Quintasan> Christ this is too complicated
[21:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: The question is if you trust my signed mail enough to sign the new key based on it.
[21:21] <ScottK> Your key status shouldn't matter.  You just sign it with your current key if you chose to.
[21:22] <Quintasan> ScottK: No problems on my end. I'll just get my key sorted out first and sign yours.
[21:23] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: thatis a packaging isuse: we depend on ffmpeg, that should be automatically dragged (or its replacement libav) when the user installs Amarok
[21:23] <Mamarok> only reported on Debian and its spinoffs, as they don't use ffmpeg but libav instead IIRC
[21:23] <shadeslayer> mhm
[21:24] <Mamarok> since that is in our readme, the packagers should package accordingly if the distro doesn't use ffmpeg
[21:24] <Mamarok> so definitely not an upstream isuse
[21:24] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: gotcha
[21:24] <Mamarok> ususe*
[21:24] <Mamarok> you are welcome :)
[21:24] <shadeslayer> thx
[21:25]  * shadeslayer gets cracking on a fix
[21:25] <shadeslayer> Amarok's bug entries on Launchpad are just a tiny bit cleaner now :P
[21:27] <Mamarok> why are they actually reported on Launchpad? Shouldn't those go upstream by default?
[21:27] <Mamarok> except this one, of course :)
[21:28] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: because, humans
[21:29] <Mamarok> true, that, especially when it comes to bug reports :)
[21:31] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[21:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: how does one solve this :P
[21:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: transcoding libs required by amarok are in multiverse
[21:31] <Mamarok> install libav?
[21:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: multiverse
[21:32] <Mamarok> that should be in universe, no?
[21:32] <shadeslayer> !info libfaac0
[21:32] <Mamarok> what about ffmpeg?
[21:33] <shadeslayer> not sure we have those
[21:34] <Mamarok> indeed, but it is not libaac you need but libav
[21:35] <shadeslayer> though isn't libaac something that would required at runtime to transcode things?
[21:36] <Mamarok> I don't think we transcode to that
[21:36] <shadeslayer> readme mentions it :P
[21:36] <Mamarok> we transcode mp3, ogg and flac AFAIK
[21:37] <shadeslayer> I reckon we can ship libavbin0
[21:37] <Mamarok> hm, I didn't even check readme right now, stated from memory
[21:37] <Mamarok> which is treacherous :)
[21:42] <Quintasan> ScottK: Would you like your signature to be sent to all of your emails or the first one?
[21:52] <ScottK> Quintasan: All.
[21:53] <Quintasan> ScottK: done.
[21:53] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:53] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Is it needed in build-deps or just at runtime?
[21:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: runtime
[21:54] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Make it suggests in the package and then add the needed package to kubuntu-restricted-extras (if we still have such a thing)
[21:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: so the libs I can figure out from the readme are : libvorbisenc2 libvorbis0a libavbin0 ( probably) libmp3lame
[21:54] <Mamarok> isn't lame only needed for writing to CDs?
[21:55] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: just following the README :D
[21:55] <Mamarok> I know, just surprised that we would need lame
[21:57] <shadeslayer> I also see something for wma, but can
[21:57] <shadeslayer> *can't find a package for that
[22:37] <Riddell> how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/calligra-2.8
[22:45]  * Riddell publishes kubuntu.org/news/calligra-2.8
[22:45] <Quintasan> Great.
[22:46] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer: can has p-n meeting this weekend?
[22:47] <yofel> you may want to invite apachelogger as he's been doing most of the kf5 stuff
[22:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: feel invited
[22:47] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw. debian bug 729203 for your entertainment
[22:47] <Quintasan> what
[22:48] <Quintasan> is that
[22:48] <yofel> in case you didn't see it yet
[22:49] <Quintasan> >The only way to prevent endless discussions would be if you close this 
[22:49] <Quintasan> RFP and instead send a bug to the Debian Technical Committee [1] for a 
[22:49] <Quintasan> technical decision whether jessie should ship with libav or ffmpeg.
[22:49] <Quintasan> OH MY GOD
[22:49] <Quintasan> I like can see it happening.
[22:49] <Quintasan> Tell me it did
[22:50] <yofel> not sure what'll happen, I think the security team was against it at some point
[22:50] <yofel> they don't want to maintain 2 copies of (not really) the same thing
[22:51] <Quintasan> and users don't want inferior software
[22:52] <yofel> the plan so far is to at least get the binaries back so 'ffmpeg' etc. work again - statically linked maybe or whatever
[22:55] <Quintasan> brb
[22:58] <Quintasan> yofel: Truth be told I didn't know Debian did sth like this and I've been thinking ffmpeg is really deprecated.
[22:59] <yofel> heh, it's confusing really :(
[23:01] <ScottK> Quintasan: Thanks.  Accepted and uploaded to the keyserver.
[23:02] <Quintasan> yofel: It sucks to be honest.
[23:02] <ScottK> yofel: When libav was forked from ffmpeg, the Debian maintainer was one of the proponents of the fork, so it's no surprise that's the one we have.
[23:03] <yofel> right
[23:04] <Quintasan> >Also Debian's very own ABI checking program icheck has some bugs, ironically, on testing FFmpeg
[23:04] <Quintasan> Comedy level - libav.
[23:04] <Quintasan> ScottK: Why did the split actually happen?
[23:05] <ScottK> The story as I heard if (from the libav side) was that the lead ffmpeg guy was blocking stuff going in, so they finally said "screw it, we'll fork".
[23:05] <ScottK> Of course, as soon as they announced the fork, he started grabbing patches from the fork.
[23:06] <ScottK> But they weren't exactly anxious to work with the guy anymore.
[23:06] <Quintasan> oh wow.
[23:06] <ScottK> AIUI, anyway
[23:15] <Riddell> ScottK: "The current PyQt5, PyQt4, QScintilla and SIP snapshots are all release candidates. The final releases will be in about a week. In the meantime any testing would be greatly appreciated."
[23:15] <Riddell> says pyqt man on the pyqt list
[23:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I saw that.
[23:15] <ScottK> First let's get Qt5 5.2 landed with pyqt5.2 updated.
[23:47]  * ahoneybun installs kubuntu-desktop package in Ubuntu 
[23:54] <valorie> weeee, I haz 4.12.3
[23:54] <valorie> apachelogger: your "you need more language stuffs" looks and works great
[23:54] <apachelogger> \o/
[23:58]  * ahoneybun knows nothing of this