[02:17] <short_sam> Hey guys question when I look at the evernote service file it specifies it kind of as it's own plugin... so when i'm trying to use something such as say google do I need to define my own custom service to utilize Youtube?
[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy St Piran's Day! :-D
[09:31] <mihir> popey: WebbyIT are we meeting in Today's meeting ?
[09:31] <mihir> sorry , tomorrow's
[09:45] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, do you have some time?
[09:45] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: shoot
[09:47] <KHendrik> I started over again with my project since it was still using the formats of the old templates without cmake. And I want to do it right ths time... Right now I have the tabbed template with backend and when i hit run it asks for a executable last time i edited the Makefile to include a job run which pointed to qmlrunner but how would i normally do this?
[09:50] <zbenjamin> you have to hit F12 instead of the normal run button
[09:50] <zbenjamin> proper run support is what i'm working on atm
[09:51] <KHendrik> ohh ok didn't know that
[09:51] <KHendrik> argh F12 is guake ok will disable that
[09:53] <KHendrik> That doesn't seem to have any effect F12 does nothing
[09:58] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, any idea what could be wrong?
[10:12] <rpadovani> mihir: yap, there will be also Bartosz
[10:12] <mihir> WebbyIT: cool :)
[10:14] <rpadovani> mihir: when you have time, could you please review
[10:14] <rpadovani> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1287340
[10:14] <rpadovani> and https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1286946
[10:14] <rpadovani> ? thanks :-)
[10:28] <KHendrik> ok right now I'm trying run on device this is the error i get: [11:27:39] cat: ubuntu-sdk-13.10-armhf/click_package/backend-tabbed-test.desktop: No such file or directory
[10:28] <KHendrik> does anyone have any ideas
[10:48] <mihir> WebbyIT: Done :)
[10:59] <m-b-o> Has anyone experience with WorkerScript and the things that can go wrong with it?
[10:59] <m-b-o> then please have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1287446
[10:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1287446 in Ubuntu Weather App "Sometimes, the temperature and conditions are not shown" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:59] <rpadovani> thanks mihir :-)
[11:59] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, do i need a special version not in the ppa for f12 to work?
[12:00] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: sorry its Ctrl+F12
[12:00] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: look in the Build -> Ubuntu Menu
[12:01] <KHendrik> ok thats for run on device now i get this error:  cat: ubuntu-sdk-13.10-armhf/click_package/backend-tabbed-test.desktop: No such file or directory
[12:02] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: did you do build in chroot? Right Click on the project -> build in chroot
[12:04] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, I get an access not authorized error "I: You do not have permission to access the schroot service.
[12:04] <KHendrik> I: This failure will be reported."
[12:11] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, I already get that error during clean "/usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_chroot_make armhf ubuntu-sdk-13.10 trusty clean"
[12:15] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: aaa that one
[12:15] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: edit /etc/schroot/chroot.d/click-ubuntu-sdk-13.10-armhf and replace root with your username
[12:16] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: sorry thats a bug in the click creation that has not been resolved yet
[12:17] <KHendrik> ahh i see should i replace every occurence of root?
[12:24] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, ok build in chroot now works but run on device still doesn't
[12:24] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: what happens?
[12:25] <KHendrik> usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_device_run_app finished with code 255
[12:25] <zbenjamin> hmm nothing more?
[12:25] <KHendrik> wait i will paste it its to long
[12:25] <zbenjamin> ok
[12:26] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: on the devices mod, does it say your device is ready for development?
[12:26] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, yes and i can run on device with qml only app
[12:27] <KHendrik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7038237/
[12:28] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: weird it seems the arguments to qmlscene are wrong, did you change the desktop file?
[12:31] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, no I didn't touch it it is just a clean project with backend and tabbed interface
[12:31] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: weird... what image version do you have on the device?
[12:33] <KHendrik> devel-proposed
[12:33] <zbenjamin> revision i mean
[12:33] <zbenjamin> should be in settings -> about device -> OS
[12:33] <KHendrik> r219
[12:34] <zbenjamin> ok that is new enough ;)
[12:35] <zbenjamin> there should be a folder called /home/phablet/dev_tmp
[12:36] <zbenjamin> in there should be your project, check out the exec in the desktop file there. if it looks wrong
[12:38] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, a desktop file should end on .desktop right?
[12:39] <KHendrik> ok found it nevermind
[12:44] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, hmm doesn't look obviously wrong to me http://paste.ubuntu.com/7038317/
[12:54] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, fixed it!! For some reason you cant use hyphen in the project name or it will fail.
[12:54] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: awesome!
[12:54] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: good to know thx
[12:55] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, Thank you for your help
[12:55] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: no prob
[12:55] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: ask again if you need more :)
[12:55] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, sure will do
[13:00] <KHendrik> zbenjamin, one more question right away :) how do i switch from the 13.10 sdk to 14.04
[13:21] <dpm> nik90, are you still planning the Ubuntu App Dev School? What was the date again?
[13:26] <nik90> dpm: tomorrow 14:00 UTC
[13:26] <nik90> dpm: oh sry I was referring to the app dev week :P
[13:26] <dpm> :)
[13:27] <nik90> dpm: I am still discussing with the dutch loco about the app dev school
[13:27] <dpm> nik90, let me know if there is anything I can help with
[13:27] <nik90> dpm: but most likely in May (during the release party of 14.04)
[13:27] <nik90> dpm: ok
[13:27] <dpm> cool
[13:28] <dpm> nik90, I'm just drafting the blog post, but here are some pics from the app dev school in Barcelona last weekend: http://www.flickr.com/photos/david-planella/sets/72157641751298844
[13:29] <nik90> dpm: wow pretty cool!
[13:41] <mzanetti> balloons: ping
[13:47] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: you don't atm
[13:47] <zbenjamin> KHendrik: not in creator yet
[13:48] <KHendrik> ahh ok
[14:01] <matavaca> no one here....
[14:03] <dholbach> so folks... if you have questions for Zsombor, please ask them and prefix them with QUESTION:
[14:13] <mzanetti> rpadovani: o/
[14:13] <mzanetti> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/cameraImprovement/+merge/206559/comments/492738
[14:16] <rpadovani> mzanetti: yeah, at least we are here :-) In about an hour I return home and update the code
[14:17] <mzanetti> rpadovani: cool, no need to hurry
[14:19] <dholbach> any questions for Zsombor so far?
[14:21] <nik90> QUESTION: Can you change properties of UI elements defined in the default layout like color, text etc in a conditional layout?
[14:25] <ahayzen> QUESTION: can you provide transitions between different layouts?
[14:26] <nik90> QUESTION: Is it possible to define tabs or pagestack in a conditional layout? For instance, in a phone a tabs interface might make sense while in a tablet, one might like to hide the tabs and show them as column instead.
[14:29] <dholbach> any more questions?
[14:29] <dholbach> .. while we have Zsombor here :)(
[14:29] <dholbach> :)
[14:31] <nik90> QUESTION: In the future, can we expect predefined phone, tablet, and desktop conditions that we can use to trigger different conditional layouts?
[14:35] <nik90> QUESTION: When defining an item only in a particular conditional layout, does that item get unloaded from memory automatically when switching to other layouts? Or should I do that manually?
[14:38] <dholbach> any more questions?
[14:39] <nik90> I am out of questions :D
[14:40] <dholbach> is Zsombor breaking up for anyone else?
[14:40] <dholbach> or is it just me?
[14:40] <nik90> seems good to me
[14:40] <nik90> okay now he is broken
[14:41] <ahayzen> same
[14:41] <nik90> dholbach: can you ask him to repeat it
[14:43] <dholbach> sorry for the break up
[14:43] <ahayzen> thanks guys :)
[14:43] <zsombi1> nik90: dholbach: ahayzen: my gtalk plugin was eating 170% of my cpu time...
[14:43] <nik90> thnx zsombi1 dholbach
[14:43] <dholbach> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1403-uitk was probably the session zsombi1 was referring to
[14:43] <dholbach> although I might have misunderstood
[14:43] <dholbach> zsombi1, 170%? that's nothing :-P
[14:44] <zsombi1> :D
[14:44] <nik90> zsombi1: yeah it does that sometimes..so annoying
[14:44] <ahayzen> lol
[14:44] <dholbach> my CPU temp is still up at 75°C
[14:44] <zsombi1> dholbach: yes, this is the BP I was talking about
[14:44] <dholbach> perfect
[14:44] <dholbach> so everyone who's interested in it can go and subscribe to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1403-uitk :)
[14:44] <dholbach> thanks again zsombi1
[14:45] <zsombi1> dholbach: welcome guys! any questions, feel free to post!
[14:56] <dpm> everyone ready for the next session on testing with qmlrunner?
[14:57]  * mzanetti is (hopefully)
[15:01] <dpm> please prefix any questions with QUESTION:
[15:01] <dpm> and feel free to ask them at any time
[15:01] <balloons> wahoo :-)
[15:02] <KHendrik> uhh the lag
[15:02] <dpm> test all the things! \o/
[15:02] <dpm> :)
[15:03] <dpm> I'll be monitoring IRC, so feel free to ping me and I'll forward the questions to Michael
[15:05] <elopio> the stream is getting stuck for me :(
[15:08] <balloons> try opening the stream on youtube directly.. might help http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=Pj1hV93icRU
[15:15] <m-b-o> balloons: are you around?
[15:16] <balloons> m-b-o, I am indeed
[15:16] <m-b-o> balloons: is the Qt version on the new proposed images 5.2.1?
[15:16] <m-b-o> where this bug occurs
[15:17] <balloons> m-b-o, we're moving to 5.2.1. do you think this is a problem from it?
[15:17] <m-b-o> yes, I'm pretty sure
[15:17] <m-b-o> I've added some comments to the bug
[15:18] <elopio> m-b-o, balloons: on 5.2.1 we are seeing the same error, but more often. But I reported the bug using 5.0.
[15:18] <m-b-o> there are probably tow different errors
[15:20] <KHendrik> QUESTION: Can you run the tests from QTCreator or do you always need to use the console?
[15:21] <balloons> dpm ^^
[15:22] <m-b-o> elopio balloons: or there is problem which occurs more often with the JS engine used in Qt5.2
[15:23] <dpm> thanks balloons :)
[15:23] <dpm> KHendrik, answering it right now
[15:23] <KHendrik> thx
[15:25] <nik90> is the stream down for anyone else?
[15:25] <Mark_K> It is down for me.
[15:25] <balloons> stream dropped
[15:26] <nik90> dpm: ^^
[15:26] <KHendrik> yep stream is dead
[15:26] <dpm> seems to be ok on the hangout itself
[15:26] <dpm> let me see if I can figure out what's going on
[15:26] <marcinello> the stream is down for me too :(
[15:26] <KHendrik> on youtube it dropped after i hope that answ... dead
[15:27] <nik90> dpm: We get the message "We are experiencing technical difficulties"
[15:27] <KHendrik> confirmed technical difficulties here too
[15:27] <dpm> hm, there's not much I can do in that case, the hangout seems to be ok :/
[15:29] <davmor2> balloons: dpm: down for me too
[15:29] <dpm> the hangout now stopped
[15:30] <mzanetti> sorry... What was the last thing you've seen?
[15:30] <dpm> bear with us guys...
[15:31] <mzanetti> nik90: you seem to be the first one that dropped out. what was the last thing you received?
[15:31] <KHendrik> mzanetti, i heard i hope that answered your question and than it stopped
[15:31] <mzanetti> heh, ok
[15:32] <mzanetti> while dpm is setting it up again, KHendrik, did that answer your question?
[15:32] <KHendrik> mzanetti, yes it did thank you :)
[15:32] <balloons> m-b-o, so you have everything you need in exploring what
[15:32] <balloons> 's happening with weather?
[15:32] <m-b-o> balloons: ?
[15:33] <balloons> m-b-o, sorry sentence got cut. I saw your comments on the bug report. Do you have everything you need to fix the issues or no? I also opened a bug you can try and recreate: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1287982
[15:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1287982 in Ubuntu Weather App "Refreshing when no weather data is found crashes the app" [Undecided,New]
[15:34] <balloons> sounds like not everyone has the issue tho so ;-)
[15:35] <m-b-o> balloons: I doubt I could fix the issue since it's a platform bug. I could perhaps make a workaround, but earliest friday I think
[15:35] <balloons> m-b-o, why do you say it's a platform bug? because the worker sometimes doesn't execute properly?
[15:36] <dpm> davmor2, KHendrik, nik90, stream should be live again
[15:36] <Mark_K> I see the stream.
[15:36] <m-b-o> ballons: yes, I do think so. And the same data put in the worker sometimes fails, sometimes works
[15:37] <davmor2> Yeap I see it but had to refresh
[15:37] <KHendrik> dpm yes works fine
[15:37] <nik90> dpm: thnx
[15:37] <m-b-o> balloons: and I couldn't reporduce it on 5.0, but on 5.2 and 5.2 has a new js engine
[15:37] <dpm> Mark_K, KHendrik, davmor2, thanks for confirming guys
[15:37] <balloons> m-b-o, can we swap the target for the bug then to 5.2 issues?
[15:38] <KHendrik> dpm, you're welcome
[15:38] <m-b-o> balloons: I would be pleased if somebody could confirm what  the same
[15:39] <nik90> dpm: QUESTION: For the test_clearButton() testcase, what is the advantage of using qmltestrunner over autopilot?
[15:39] <balloons> m-b-o, well I'm concerned because elopio says it happens to him on 5.0. All my devices are newer than that, as I suspect yours is now
[15:40] <elopio> balloons: how are you installing qt5.2 on your device? using timo's PPA?
[15:40] <nik90> QUESTION: Where can we find documentation for the UbuntuTestCase helper functions like keyClick, testCompare and so on?
[15:41] <m-b-o> elopio balloons: r219 isn't qt5.2?
[15:41] <davmor2> elopio: do you mean 5.0 or the default that is in a standard image?
[15:41] <elopio> davmor2: isn't the default 5.0?
[15:41] <balloons> well true.. 5.0 != image default..I guess it's 5.0.x?
[15:41] <davmor2> m-b-o: no  r219 is default 5.2.1 isn't landed yet
[15:42] <elopio> now I'm experiencing technical difficulties with the stream.
[15:43] <davmor2> elopio: 5.0.2 = default on qtquick
[15:43] <aquarius> goldarnit, I missed the responsive layouts session. Watching now. :)
[15:43] <elopio> well, yes, close enough
[15:43] <m-b-o> davmor2 ok thanks
[15:45] <elopio> m-b-o: if you want to try with 5.2.1, you will need https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2
[15:45] <dpm> nik90, http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/TestCase/ there are some docs there
[15:46] <nik90> dpm: thnx
[15:46] <m-b-o> elopio: no, thought r219 is 1t5.2.1 already, so it wouldn't make sense.
[15:47] <elopio> m-b-o: no, r219 it's not 5.2.1 yet.
[15:47] <m-b-o> elopio balloons: will try to make a workaround, but this can not happen until friday. Still seems to me like a bug in Qt itself.
[15:49] <elopio> m-b-o: I'm not in a hurry. Once we have reported a bug and started working on identify the causes, I think it should take whatever it takes to get a nice fix.
[15:49] <elopio> but, you know, not everybody thinks this way :)
[15:50] <elopio> m-b-o: thanks a lot for looking into it.
[15:50] <m-b-o> elopio: alright :)
[15:50] <dry[1]> hi. what's currently the most popular software on ubuntu to create games for android?
[15:53] <dpm> any questions on the session or testing/QA in general you guys want to ask Michael while he's here?
[15:53] <dpm> we've got about 5 minutes
[15:55] <elopio> I missed it all :'(
[15:55] <balloons> m-b-o, I would like to see an honest fix as well. I feel like there's a bug or two within the app that will take some time to hash out, but it's the best way.. no reason to hack or make workarounds
[15:55] <elopio> I'll make my questions tomorrow.
[15:56] <balloons> elopio, dholbach is going to do the session with you now
[15:56] <dholbach> elopio, yep, sent you the hangout URL in a private message
[15:56] <elopio> I'm ready, I hope my connection is too.
[15:56] <KHendrik> Thanks very much nice Session.
[15:56] <dholbach> *cross fingers*
[15:57] <elopio> dholbach: I see no invitation.
[15:58] <nik90> mzanetti: thnx for the session. Very informative!
[15:58] <mzanetti> yw :)
[15:58] <m-b-o> balloons: me too. there are some other stuff I'm already refactoring which should imporove things. But this particular bug with the worker script will be hard to fix without some duct tape... sorry
[15:59] <balloons> m-b-o, I guess the point is if it's a bug in platform, I'd like to pass it along
[16:01] <mzanetti> dpm: balloons: btw. here's a side product of my preparation for the qmltestrunner session: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-sdk-tutorials/use-ubuntutestcase/+merge/209455
[16:01] <nik90> alrite elopio bring it on with the user acceptance tests :D
[16:01] <mzanetti> please review when you have some time
[16:01] <nik90> dholbach: u r live
[16:01]  * dholbach hugs nik90
[16:02] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/+junk/talks
[16:02] <dpm> mzanetti, nice, will approve once I've finished my next call
[16:02] <balloons> mzanetti, :-)
[16:03] <KHendrik> LaTeX ftw
[16:03] <m-b-o> balloons: yes, but to pass judgement about it I'm not capable of. My guts tell me, it's a platform bug. But that doesn't count :)
[16:13] <dholbach> are there any questions for Leo already?
[16:34] <fit> x
[16:34] <fit> x
[16:37] <dholbach> any questions for Leo? (please prefix with QUESTION:, so we can pick it up more easily)
[16:44] <nik90> QUESTION: Are individual applications expected to generate sphinx documentation to help new developers with writing tests? Or is this more for Autopilot itself?
[16:48] <nik90> QUESTION: In the Address book example, while writing autopilot tests for the address book, how do you access the gallery UI elements? Can Autopilot access them despite being in a new app?
[16:49] <dholbach> nik90, looks like Leo can't hear me ;-)
[16:53] <nik90> dholbach: oh
[16:53] <elopio> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/autopilot/emulator/ubuntuuitoolkit.html#ubuntuuitoolkit.emulators.MainView.open_toolbar
[16:56] <MaheshK> Do we have example scripts to try?
[16:57] <dholbach> MaheshK, https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/+junk/talks might have some more pointers as well
[16:57] <dholbach> any more questions for Leo?
[16:58] <MaheshK> Thank you
[16:59] <rvr> elopio: clap clap clap
[17:00] <nik90> elopio, dholbach: Thnx for the session.
[17:00] <dholbach> elopio, good work :)
[17:00] <elopio> nik90: thanks to you for all the good examples to show around :)
[17:01] <nik90> elopio: hehe .. well you helped me get there. so thank you as well
[17:01] <candelibas> Hi everyone.I have installed Ubuntu SDK but when I create HTML5 App and try to run it gives me error (ubuntu-html5-app-launcher)
[17:09] <mhall119> if anybody has questions for alex or david, ask them here starting with "QUESTION:"
[17:20] <dbarth-onair> hi everyone
[17:20] <dbarth-onair> please share questions about the examples alex is doing
[17:35] <rvr> Big enough :)
[17:36] <dbarth-onair> rvr: too big? ;) maybe he can scale that down a bit
[17:46] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, that is fixed in our pending branches, knownSourcesForType will return the default as well
[17:47] <dbarth-onair> kenvandine: ah cool, i think that's easier this way
[17:47] <dbarth-onair> but it's good to know that there is a distinction
[17:47] <dbarth-onair> and a way to get the default one in just one go
[17:47] <kenvandine> it's even easier now... with the api changes
[17:50] <kenvandine> wow... i am like 4 minutes behind on the video...
[17:51] <dbarth-onair> eh
[18:35] <short_sam> Can someone help me with my authentication token after making my own account plugin? It's supposed to grab the token but it does nothing it just sits there after the user logs in...
[20:48] <chicaceci007> Hi
[21:21] <KHendrik> mzanetti, will the first half of the qmltestrunner session be available as a recording or is that one lost?
[22:04] <boren> Hi, is there a way to add email to a contact in addressbook using Qt.openUrlExternally? It seems that currently only phone-number is supported.
[22:33] <Brayden_> Looking for some information on the OS for Galaxy Nexus
[23:14] <drodriguezpadill> QUESTION: How can I get items on a page to stay in the center, even if the orientation or size of the display varies?