[02:35] <MavKen> I have 13.10... How can I clear the list of "recent servers" when going through the files manager?
[02:37] <robert_ancell> cyphermox, has there been any though given to implementing WPS in NetworkManager / the indicators?
[02:42] <desrt> robert_ancell: this is that push-to-autoconfig stuff?
[02:44] <robert_ancell> desrt, yes
[02:45] <robert_ancell> I started using it a few weeks ago and it's actually very handy, especially when using a phone
[02:45] <desrt> seems like it would be more useful for devices lacking a proper keyboard
[02:45] <desrt> never thought about applying it to a laptop
[02:46] <desrt> still seems like it would be nice, though
[02:47] <robert_ancell> desrt, it's particularly handy in the case you go to someones house where they're technically illiterate and they can't remember their router password
[02:47] <desrt> ya.... i actually experience this a lot
[02:48] <desrt> "oh... let me get out this book i wrote it in... no.. it's on this other piece... oh no... that was with my old provider.... hmmm... it's around here somewhere"
[02:48] <robert_ancell> desrt, btw, still having that dbus unown name issue. I've cleaned up everything around the issue but haven't found what's causing it
[02:48] <desrt> remind me?
[02:48] <robert_ancell> it seems the call is timing out (takes exactly 25s) but no errors are printed which makes me think glib thinks it has succeeded
[02:49] <robert_ancell> in one of the test cases in lightdm, g_bus_unown_name blocks for 25s on shutdown
[02:49] <robert_ancell> you thought it might be due to multiprocess screw ups, so I made really really sure I wasn't doing anything bad there
[02:50] <desrt> ah right.  i remember now.
[02:50] <robert_ancell> desrt, are you still hacking at the moment?
[02:50] <desrt> ish...
[02:50] <desrt> tending to builds, etc.
[02:50] <desrt> trying to test some touch issues in gtk
[02:50] <robert_ancell> feel like giving it a whirl locally?
[02:50] <desrt> do i need ubuntu? :)
[02:51] <robert_ancell> desrt, no
[02:51] <robert_ancell> you need bzr though
[02:51] <desrt> i think i can manage that :)
[02:51] <robert_ancell> it's just get lp:lightdm, build then run ./test-unity-compositor-fallback from tests/
[02:51] <robert_ancell> it fails for me most of the time
[02:52] <robert_ancell> you can cut down that test to make it simpler to see what lightdm is doing, but perhaps you'll see more looking from the glib end
[02:58] <desrt> so that didn't work very well
[02:58] <desrt> gimme a sec
[02:58] <desrt> your autogen doesn't bail out when it's missing stuff for some reason
[02:59] <desrt> k.  here goes.
[02:59] <desrt> so the test failed... immediately
[03:00] <desrt> lightdm: symbol lookup error: lightdm: undefined symbol: g_hash_table_get_keys_as_array
[03:00] <desrt> neat...
[03:01] <desrt> are you mucking with LD_LIBRARY_PATH in your test setup?
[03:01] <desrt> yes... you are
[03:01] <desrt> this is not jhbuild-compatible :)
[03:02] <desrt> okay... now the test exits immediately with no error and status 0
[03:05] <desrt> robert_ancell: i guess you missed that...
[03:07] <robert_ancell_> desrt, try running it a few times, or with DEBUG=1 in the env
[03:08] <desrt> the amazing never-failing testcase :)
[03:08] <robert_ancell_> I wish
[03:08] <desrt> it's going in a tight while true; ... loop
[03:08] <desrt> no failures after what must have been 1000 runs
[03:09] <desrt> okay... maybe more like 100 :)
[03:10] <desrt> hah!  failure!
[03:10] <desrt> but uh... not the one you were expecting
[03:10] <desrt>     UNITY-SYSTEM-COMPOSITOR EXIT CODE=1
[03:10] <desrt>     RUNNER DAEMON-TERMINATE SIGNAL=11
[03:10] <desrt> took a few hundred runs to get that though
[03:10] <robert_ancell> no, that's not the one I was expecting :/
[03:12] <robert_ancell> desrt, did you try with DEBUG=1?
[03:13] <desrt> yes
[03:13] <desrt> no change except that it took longer to run with all the output
[03:14] <desrt> i ran maybe 100 tries like that and then tried with it off
[03:15] <robert_ancell> maybe it is specific to something in Ubuntu
[03:15] <robert_ancell> desrt, what version of glib?
[03:15] <desrt> git master as of a couple hours ago
[03:15] <desrt> i don't think we've made substantial gdbus changes lately, though
[03:16] <cyphermox> robert_ancell: it's in the TODO file in NM
[03:17] <robert_ancell> cyphermox, yeah, that's what I found. I was wondering if there's been any more thought on it
[03:17] <robert_ancell> I'd kind of like to implement that for 14.10 if no-one else would
[03:17] <cyphermox> not really that I know of
[03:17] <cyphermox> I have lots of plans for 14.10 re: network-manager and all
[06:03] <pitti> Good morning
[08:20] <tsdgeos> do you guys know what is the responsible of showing me the dialogs to enter my ssh passphrase? it's broken since yesterday
[08:20] <tsdgeos> the buttons show over the line edit
[09:02] <mlankhorst> wayland-egl
[09:05] <mlankhorst> seb128: it should be part of libegl1-mesa-dev
[09:05] <Laney> hey ho
[09:08] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:08] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[09:08] <seb128> mlankhorst, well, g-c-c fails to build, so something went wrong in your upload
[09:10] <mlankhorst> oh right
[09:10] <mlankhorst> must be some incomplete reverts
[09:10] <mlankhorst> hm it's in libegl1-mesa-drivers
[09:12] <pitti> bonjour seb128, hey Laney
[09:12] <seb128> pitti, salut, ça va ?
[09:12] <Laney> alright thanks seb128, enjoyed some tasty pancakes yesterday ;-)
[09:12] <seb128> pitti, how as the Alps?
[09:12] <mlankhorst> oh right
[09:12] <Laney> how are you seb128 & mlankhorst & pitti?
[09:12] <seb128> Laney, I enjoyed "beignets", we don't do pancakes here ;-)
[09:12] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[09:13]  * Laney goodles that
[09:13] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien, merci ! nous avons eu un bon weekend longue dans les Alps
[09:13] <Laney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BeignetsPowderdSugarCDM.jpg
[09:13] <Laney> oh my god
[09:13] <Laney> I bet yours looked better than that
[09:14] <seb128> lol, they did
[09:14] <seb128> pitti, "les Alpes" in french ;-)
[09:14] <seb128> pitti, tu as fait du ski ?
[09:14] <pitti> seb128: ah, merci
[09:15] <pitti> seb128: oui, la première (et peut-être la derniére) fois à cet an
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, oh, pourquoi peut-être la dernière, l'hiver est pas fini et il y en a de nouveau un hiver à la fin de l'année !
[09:16] <pitti> seb128: en effet, je voulais "ce hiver" :)
[09:17] <seb128> ah ;-)
[09:17] <pitti> seb128: mais à Augsburg nous n'avons pas un vrai hiver
[09:17] <seb128> nous non plus
[09:17] <seb128> 10°c de prévu aujourd'hui :/
[09:17] <pitti> nous avons eu de la neige pendant une ou deux semaines ici
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, that looks like the beignets we get, http://wherewearinthecity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/beignets.jpg
[09:18] <pitti> yummy!
[09:18] <seb128> pitti, nous pas de neige cette année :-(
[09:19] <seb128> pitti, do you guys do pancakes or beignets this week?
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: we have something called "Krapfen", like this: http://www.maintal-konfitueren.de/fileadmin/data/images/Downloadbereich/Ambiente/krapfen_frei_gross.jpg
[09:19] <jodh> has something changed recently wrt how the desktop initiates shutdown (ck -> logind)? We have a few reports of users being unable to shutdown/reboot from the menu (bugs 1288087, 1286986, 1286698).
[09:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1288087 in upstart (Ubuntu) "System menu for Restart & Shutdown no longer works after installing Office 2010 through Wine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1288087
[09:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1286986 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Dropping to commandline is the only way to shutdown or restart" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1286986
[09:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1286698 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Logout, Restart & Shutdown does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1286698
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: not entirely unlike beignets
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, I see ;-)
[09:20] <pitti> we ate 2 of them yesterday for the carnival
[09:20] <seb128> nice
[09:20] <pitti> I don't like all the rest of carnival, except the Krapfen :)
[09:20] <seb128> jodh, hey, no change that I can think about
[09:21] <seb128> hehe
[09:21] <jodh> seb128: hmm, ok. maybe be a hardware issue for those folk, but the timing of those bugs suggests maybe something else might be involved.
[09:22] <seb128> jodh, the bugs 2-3 are from the same user
[09:22] <seb128> oh
[09:22] <seb128> they are all 3 from the same user
[09:22] <jodh> seb128: gah - hadn't noticed that! good catch :)
[09:23] <jodh> ftr, are we using ck or logind atm?
[09:23] <seb128> jodh, that one user has a local problem
[09:23] <seb128> logind
[09:23] <jodh> ok, I'll see if they can invoke PowerOff using dbus-send.
[09:24] <seb128> jodh, the "upstart-event-bridge.log" snipet in the bug summary has
[09:24] <seb128>  process 1206: arguments to dbus_pending_call_unref() were incorrect, assertion "pending != NULL" failed in file ../../dbus/dbus-pending-call.c line 608.
[09:24] <pitti> jodh: we've been using logind since saucy; CK is gone
[09:24] <seb128> not sure if that's a sign something is wrong with the bus session
[09:25] <jodh> pitti: I've got /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon running on my system still.
[09:26] <jodh> pitti: looks like it is a dep for kde still.
[09:27] <seb128> jodh, feel free to dup those 3 bugs and reassign to unity or gnome-session
[09:28] <jodh> seb128: thanks - will do.
[09:35] <hyperair> hey did unity get reverted to a version before saucy or something?
[09:35] <Sweetshark> seb128: sorry for the UNRELEASED thing -- thats was of ocurse the line I changed, when I changed the version to ~trusty1 for the PPA :/
[09:35] <hyperair> the super and alt key handling seems to be back to the crappy pre-saucy timeout-based version
[09:35] <hyperair> so if i press super+w and release it really quickly, unity opens the dash instead
[09:36] <hyperair> and if i hit alt+anything and release both keys really quickly, the HUD opens up
[09:36] <seb128> Sweetshark, no worry
[09:37] <Sweetshark> seb128: do we need a MIR for it? or is "all binary packages from libreoffice-dictionaires were in main before from openoffice.org-dictionaires and are from the same codebase?" enough?
[09:37] <seb128> hyperair, no unity changes to those that I know, check with bregma or ChrisTownsend or Trevinho
[09:38] <seb128> Sweetshark, check with doko or mterry or didrocks, but I think it should be ok/considered as a rename of an existing source
[09:38] <hyperair> well, i guess they all got pinged by that comment so i'll wait
[09:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: k
[09:39] <seb128> hyperair, when did the issue start?
[09:39] <hyperair> seb128: after i upgraded to trusty
[09:40] <hyperair> seb128: so it's between the saucy version and the trusty version =\
[09:40] <hyperair> (and i only upgraded two days ago)
[09:40] <seb128> k
[09:41] <seb128> well, we had some changes in grabbing, compiz is now grabbing the g-s-d keybindings (same way gnome-shell is doing for GNOME)
[09:41] <hyperair> i see
[09:41] <seb128> but that shouldn't impact on super/hud, though I'm unsure
[09:41] <hyperair> i recall the super/alt key handling was pretty bad in raring or before that
[09:41] <hyperair> basically ctrl+super keybindings required you to press ctrl first
[09:42] <hyperair> same goes for alt+super keybindings
[09:42] <seb128> I never use super out of for the dash so I can't say
[09:42] <hyperair> sigh
[09:42] <seb128> and I map the hud out of alt
[09:42] <hyperair> heh i see
[09:42] <hyperair> what do you map it to?
[09:42] <seb128> right-win key
[09:43] <hyperair> ah blragh i don't have that key
[09:43] <seb128>  you use the hud?
[09:43] <seb128> if not you can just unbind it :p
[09:43] <hyperair> yeah i do
[09:43] <seb128> k
[09:44] <hyperair> adn my laptop doesn't have many spare keys to bind things to
[09:44] <seb128> well, in any case we should fix the regression
[09:44] <seb128> but meanwhile...
[09:44] <hyperair> hence why i'm using all sorts of ctrl+super keybindings
[09:44] <Laney> oh yeah I can see what you see
[09:44] <hyperair> i think i filed a bug regarding ctrl+super
[09:44] <Laney> super+w, release really quickly → dash
[09:44] <hyperair> yeah
[09:45] <hyperair> sucketh
[09:45] <ali1234> there are also various problems with alt/hud/screenshot etc
[09:45] <ali1234> if you pres alt+printscreen fast enough it opens the hud and then takes a screenshot of it
[09:45] <seb128> ali1234, new in trusty?
[09:45] <hyperair> it's been almost a year since i dug into unity's code, but at that time the super/alt handling was basically... listen for super, and watch (within a certain timeout) for recognized keys)
[09:45] <ali1234> i dunno if they are new or not since i don't use unity and when i did i unbound alt and super anyway
[09:46] <seb128> we need more keys on keyboard :p
[09:46] <hyperair> and then saucy came along and holy shit it was fixed
[09:46] <ali1234> bug 1283530
[09:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1283530 in unity (Ubuntu) "Using alt-printscreen when locally integrated menus is turned on creates undesirable results" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283530
[09:46] <hyperair> and now it's back ¬_¬
[09:46] <seb128> I wonder if it ever got fixes
[09:46]  * apw notes that he can only disable the HUD binding in settings, if it is buond to _any_ key then Alt responds to it, it is also impossible to rebind it to Alt_L or indeed any modifier
[09:46] <seb128> fixed
[09:46] <seb128> or if that's random behaviour and you just happened to get lucky with timings
[09:46] <hyperair> wat, seriously?
[09:47] <hyperair> how many things got hardcoded shittily in the unity codebase this time?
[09:47] <hyperair> it was a nightmare of hardcoded behaviour the last time i looked
[09:47] <seb128> ?
[09:47] <seb128> apw, I can't confirm that, I just binded it to lctrl, then back to alt than to the win key
[09:48] <apw> seb128, one of these boxes i updated not 20m ago, and it is definatly exhibiting this behaviour
[09:49] <seb128> didrocks had similar issues but not happening in a guest session
[09:49] <apw> seb128, and i have two next to each otehr showing it, both upgrades from saucy and likely older
[09:49] <seb128> yeah, well, it's not that I don't believe you
[09:49] <seb128> it's just that I can't confirm/reproduce
[09:49] <apw> so where are the "unity settings which it doesn't ever upgrade properly" so i can nuke them
[09:49] <seb128> why is this morning turning into "report my issues about unity", we don't even work on unity in this channel :p
[09:50] <seb128> people, please use launchpad
[09:50] <hyperair> :P
[09:50] <hyperair> whoops, sorry for starting it
[09:50] <seb128> or ping #ubuntu-unity when the unity7 are around
[09:50] <Laney> let's talk about how indicators don't start properly under panel instead :P
[09:50] <seb128> e.g bregma or ChrisTownsend or Trevinho might be able to help you, but I don't think any of them is around yet
[09:50] <Laney> or why my machine died overnight so I don't have webkit debs :(
[09:51] <seb128> Laney, 0_o
[09:51] <seb128> webkit 10 - 3 Laney
[09:51] <seb128> (or I lost the count but I think webkit is still winning this cycle :p)
[09:52] <apw> seb128, cause filing bugs is for whimps
[09:52] <seb128> haha
[09:52] <Laney> yeah, never take webkit on
[09:52] <Laney> you'll lose
[09:52] <hyperair> can't be as bad as building a kernel
[09:52] <hyperair> i had to iterate with a PPA because i kept ENOSPC'ing while building it
[09:53] <apw> seb128, did yo manage to put the key back to Alt-l btw as in a guest i could move it to anywhere like Alt_R ok but not back to Alt_L
[09:53] <seb128> apw, you don't file bugs and then your issues never get resolved :p (I'm still thinking I should file you about my latitude locking for 1 second every time I change the screen level through the keys)
[09:53] <seb128> things were so much nicer in precise when that was not happening
[09:53]  * seb128 shakes fist at the kernel
[09:53] <Laney> haha
[09:54] <hyperair> might be a unity bug for all we know ¬_¬"
[09:54] <Laney> hyperair: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.13.0-16.36/+build/5659613 vs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkitgtk/2.3.90-1ubuntu1/+build/5619705
[09:54] <seb128> apw, I managed to put it back to alt_r but the ui calls that "mod2+alt_l" for some reason, it works though
[09:54] <apw> seb128, what about Alt_L
[09:54] <seb128> that says "level3 shift"
[09:55] <hyperair> Laney: holy shit
[09:55] <apw> seb128, mine calls Alt_R something like level3_shift
[09:55] <Laney> it's extreme
[09:55] <Laney> also C++
[09:55] <seb128> but yeah, that doesn't work (hud doesn't open)
[09:55] <hyperair> but C++ is good!
[09:55] <hyperair> Laney: https://launchpad.net/~hyperair/+archive/staging/+build/5365404
[09:55] <hyperair> close enough ;-)
[09:56] <Laney> heh
[09:56] <Laney> don't let Sweetshark hear this conversation
[09:56] <hyperair> pinging helps, yeah.
[09:56] <Laney> O:-)
[09:57] <hyperair> ^_^
[09:57]  * Laney tries again...
[09:58] <Laney> in the meantime, lemme see why the ubuntu-sso-client autopkgtests are borked
[09:59] <seb128> Laney, if you want to look at aptdaemon as well, please do ;-) (tried to ping mvo about those without luck)
[10:02] <Laney> seb128: ok, I'll look after
[10:02] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[10:02] <Laney> might be hard though, those mvo tests tend to be complex ;-)
[10:05]  * Sweetshark hugs mterry (in absence) for apppoving the hunspell-fr and google-fonts MIRs.
[10:08] <apw> seb128, just for you i have filed a bug and whined at #ubuntu-unity
[10:08] <seb128> Laney, update_output has
[10:08] <seb128> "Trying easy from laney: ubuntu-settings/14.04.4 gnome-session/3.9.90-0ubuntu11
[10:08] <seb128> leading: ubuntu-settings,gnome-session
[10:08] <seb128> failed: ubuntu-settings"
[10:08] <seb128> apw, thanks
[10:08] <Laney> it's just an old hint
[10:09] <seb128> Laney, right, can you clear it off? ;-)
[10:09] <Laney> yes, but it is harmless
[10:09] <seb128> k, noted for next time
[10:09] <seb128> I didn't know that hints were generating output when they had no matching content ;-)
[10:10] <Laney> yeah it's telling you that it couldn't be applied
[10:10] <seb128> k
[10:10] <Laney> removed it now, thanks for the pointer
[10:10] <seb128> yw!
[10:11] <seb128> apw, do you know if my issue of "computer 'hangs' for a second every time you change the screen level through the keys" (latitude e6410) is a known kernel issue?
[10:11] <seb128> I should probably report a bug about that as well
[10:11]  * seb128 looks in launchpad
[10:36] <apw> seb128, nope not heard of that, you should file a bug indeed
[10:41] <mlankhorst> oh you're already rebuilding gcc?
[10:42] <seb128> yes, why not?
[10:44]  * Laney hugs pitti for adt-run --apt-source
[10:45] <Laney> alioth is down which breaks run-adt-test here but this with adt-virt-schroot is nice
[10:46] <pitti> ali1234: how does alioth break run-adt-tesZ?
[10:46] <Laney> me
[10:46] <Laney> it tries to check something out
[10:46] <pitti> Laney: yes, run-adt-test and prepare-testbed will go away, in favor of adt-virt-{lxc,qemu}
[10:46] <pitti> ah
[10:46] <Laney> I think autopkgtest itself?
[10:47] <seb128> pitti, btw, just as fyi https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725390#c4
[10:47] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 725390 in daemon "ipod displayed with an usb key icon" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:47] <seb128> pitti, do you know what would be the right place for a such "udev quirk that tells udisks the icon to use"?
[10:48] <seb128> is udisks shipping some of those?
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: ah, so your ipod doesn't use afc
[10:48] <seb128> no
[10:48] <seb128> it's an old classic-storage one
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: I thought we have some hack which assigns the new icon to devices with ID_MEDIA_PLAYER
[10:48] <seb128> right, we had
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: does your device still have that tag?
[10:48] <seb128> but that stopped working with the new gvfs
[10:48] <seb128> yes
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: ah, so we probably dropped that hack at some point
[10:49] <seb128> it seems like you dropped it because the issue was resolved upstream
[10:49] <seb128> but they did some refactoring for symbolic icons and other stuff then
[10:49] <pitti> ah no, this is supposed to be fixed upstream
[10:49] <pitti> seb128: yes, our patch was against the gdu backend
[10:49] <seb128> they might have dropped the hack, which wouldn't be suprising if e.g bastien thinks that should be done in a quirk and not in code
[10:50] <pitti> seb128: right, the upstream solution wasn't a hack any more
[10:50] <pitti> seb128: I'll have a look in some mins, just finishing something else
[10:50] <seb128> pitti, k, let me know if you need debug infos from me
[10:50]  * pitti still fighting the backlog from the long weekend, and people broke stuff all over the place :)
[11:03] <seb128> Laney, why do you need a ffe for pango? isn't that a point/bugfix release?
[11:03] <Laney> to add the new package
[11:03] <seb128> oh, I should have read all the description :p
[11:03] <seb128> cool
[11:08] <Laney> just noticed they fail in debian
[11:08] <Laney> glib too :(
[11:09] <seb128> :-(
[11:09] <Laney> just a missing test-dep though it seems
[11:42] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~matttbe/ubuntu/trusty/network-manager-applet/lp1267100/+merge/200825 ?
[11:45] <seb128> happyaron, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-anthy/+bug/1279845 still on your todolist?
[11:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1279845 in ibus-anthy (Ubuntu) "ibus-anthy sets to jp keyboard layout forcibly." [Undecided,New]
[12:36] <larsu> Laney: do you know why we have custom encoding profiles for rhythmbox? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/rhythmbox/ubuntu/revision/178
[12:36] <larsu> people say they break cd ripping for them in bug #1086806
[12:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1086806 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox encoder missing plugin" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086806
[12:36] <larsu> and I get emailed because "I've touched rhythmbox last"
[12:38] <Laney> People were complaining that the defaults were crappy for ripping, so some guy came with these new ones
[12:38] <seb128> larsu, look at the bug referenced in that commit
[12:40] <larsu> ah I overlooked that there was a reference. Thanks!
[12:40] <Laney> I'm not sure it was ever completely right
[12:41] <seb128> it might be that things got fixed/made different upstream since and that those changes are not needed anymore, not sure
[12:41] <Laney> in fact
[12:42] <Laney> nm
[12:42] <larsu> no, it's not upstream
[12:43] <larsu> the problem is that I can't test it
[12:43] <larsu> but having cd ripping broken by default sounds quite ... bad
[12:43] <seb128> no CD drive? ;-)
[12:43] <larsu> ya
[12:43] <larsu> s/ya/no
[12:43] <seb128> did that user open a bug?
[12:43] <larsu> seb128: yes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/1086806
[12:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1086806 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox encoder missing plugin" [High,Triaged]
[12:43] <seb128> I understand "ya", no worry ;-)
[12:43] <larsu> their suggestion is to jut drop the ubuntu-presets
[12:43] <larsu> but I'm not sure that's a good idea
[12:44]  * larsu doesn't know a lot about gstreamer and default encodings
[12:44] <seb128> let me try here
[12:44] <seb128> that bug is there since 12.10, shrug
[12:46] <seb128> I can confirm the issue
[12:46] <Laney> yeah
[12:46] <seb128> Laney, are you debugging it?
[12:47] <seb128> (no need to be both debugging the same thing)
[12:47] <Laney> no I just checked it
[12:47] <Laney> you go ahead
[12:47] <seb128> k
[12:47] <seb128> shrug, rb is not being nice to glib
[12:48] <seb128> quite some warnings on start
[12:49] <larsu> seb128: is it fixed if you comment the "preset = ..." lines in /usr/share/rhythmbox/rhythmbox.gep?
[12:49] <larsu> that's the workaround people are using
[12:50] <dpm> hey seb128, we're trying to wrap up the schedule for UDS and I just noticed a couple of client sessions that are pending approval: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/review/ - I just wanted to give you a heads up in case you hadn't seen them
[12:50] <seb128> dpm, hey, I've not even started looking at vUDS scheduling, but thanks
[12:51] <seb128> larsu, yes, that works
[12:51] <dpm> seb128, no worries. If you want, I can approve them for you now and then you can take care of scheduling them
[12:52] <seb128> dpm, sounds good, thanks
[12:53] <larsu> seb128: I'm pretty sure we can drop the patch. Apparently Laney added it because gstreamer had bad default presets
[12:53] <seb128> larsu, did they change their presets?
[12:53] <larsu> but the ones in the rhythmbox patch are identical with the ones in /usr/share/gstreamer-1.0/presets
[12:53] <Laney> there's at least a few to choose from now
[12:53] <dpm> seb128, ok, approved. They should now appear on the "Schedule meetings" page for you to put in the schedule
[12:53] <Laney> I think before you got no choice
[12:55] <larsu> Laney: do you remember where you got the .prs files from? They are identical to the ones we're shipping with gstreamer
[12:55] <Laney> They came from a contributor
[12:55] <seb128> Conor made those
[12:57] <larsu> maybe we patch them into gstreamer?
[12:57] <seb128> larsu, I'm investigating, hold on ;-)
[12:57] <Laney> I don't think they are identical
[12:57] <Laney> I think you are looking at files installed by rhythmbox
[12:57] <larsu> Laney: bah, you're right. I did a dpkg -S on the dir, not the files
[12:57] <seb128> larsu, dpkg -S /usr/share/gstreamer-1.0/presets/*
[12:58] <seb128> right
[12:58] <Laney> it's probably orthogonal to the preset thing
[12:58] <Laney> I don't know/remember what that is supposed to achieve
[12:58] <seb128> I think the profiles just need their elements names updated
[12:58] <seb128> larsu, Laney: let me look at it, I'm going to come back to you, no need to be 3 looking at the same thing
[12:58] <larsu> okay
[12:58] <larsu> thanks!
[12:58] <seb128> yw!
[12:59] <Laney> hehe
[13:10] <mlankhorst> ok, I Hate -Bsymbolic
[13:10] <mlankhorst> and -Bsymbolic-functions
[13:26] <seb128> larsu, Laney: seems https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/945987/comments/53 is right (I wonder how that ever worked)
[13:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 945987 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "No Settings are available in "Preferred format", only preset defaults are used" [High,Confirmed]
[13:26] <seb128> changing the preset to be "ubuntu-default" in the .gep makes it work
[13:27] <seb128> not sure how Laney had a version with the right content (next comment on that bug), http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/rhythmbox/ubuntu/revision/178 suggests the name mismatch was there from the start
[13:27] <Laney> seb128: aha
[13:27] <Laney> so just fix the name
[13:28] <Laney> does that get rid of it for you?
[13:28] <larsu> ah col
[13:28] <larsu> *cool
[13:28] <seb128> it does get ride of the error
[13:28] <seb128> but the preset is not used by default
[13:28] <seb128> it's listed in the preferences combo as "ubuntu-default"
[13:28] <seb128> not very useful
[13:29] <seb128> I'm looking at changing the default rather
[13:30] <seb128> cool, it has a gsettings "media-type-presets"
[13:30] <seb128> org.gnome.rhythmbox.encoding-settings media-type-presets
[13:30] <seb128> which maps type to preset profiles
[13:31] <seb128> so first fix is to fix the naming inconsistency (and maybe pick a better name, e.g rename it "Ubuntu")
[13:31] <seb128> since that's the name showing in the preferences combo
[13:31] <Laney> nod
[13:31] <seb128> then update ubuntu-settings to set a default for that key
[13:31] <seb128> larsu, Laney: thanks for pointing it out and for the help debugging ;-)
[13:32] <seb128> still disturbing that we have such bugs for several releases (good to fix it for the LTS as well)
[13:34] <larsu> seb128: :)
[13:47] <GunnarHj> Hello seb128
[13:48] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey
[13:48] <GunnarHj> seb128: Wondering about that mythes-sv package (bug 1284701). I got an FFe and have also uploaded to mentors.debian.net. Is there anything else I need to do?
[13:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1284701 in Ubuntu "[FFE] Please upload mythes-sv to the archive" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284701
[13:48] <ricotz> Sweetshark, hi :), is 4.2.2rc1 already ready for publishing?
[13:48] <seb128> GunnarHj, no, you might have noticed but the sponsoring queue is quite full and people are busy...
[13:49] <Laney> GunnarHj: I'm supposed to pilot tomorrow, will look then if nobody does before
[13:50] <GunnarHj> seb128: I know there are quite a few items... Will try to be more patient. ;-)
[13:50] <GunnarHj> Laney: Thanks!
[13:50] <Laney> if you could tell me (in the bug) how to check it works that will probably help
[13:51] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok, will do.
[13:52] <seb128> I spent some time sponsoring today to help driving the queue down
[13:52] <seb128> let's see where we manage to get
[13:52] <Laney> tack Gunnar!
[13:55] <GunnarHj> Laney: ;-) Yeah, it's good you know some Swedish if you're going to check that thesaurus.
[13:56] <Laney> I do have a copy of The Bridge, maybe I should watch it without subtitles and see how far I get :P
[13:58] <GunnarHj> Might be a good exercise..
[13:58] <desrt> good morning cats
[13:59] <Laney> haha, there's a British/French remake with the body being found in the Channel Tunnel...
[14:00] <Laney> saluton desrt
[14:00] <desrt> Laney: bonega!  vi lernis!
[14:00] <seb128> desrt, woof to you
[14:00] <seb128> or woo to you
[14:00] <desrt> seb128: no 'w' in esperanto :)
[14:01] <seb128> ooo? ;-)
[14:01] <desrt> ŭ
[14:01] <Laney> nur unu vorto
[14:01] <desrt> Laney: kaj tri pli
[14:01] <seb128> oh man, crazy language day again?
[14:01] <Laney> comes around every month :P
[14:05] <seb128> bregma, Trevinho: ChrisTownsend: did you guys notice the new compiz/unity misplacing buttons in some dialogs like the gnome-keyring ssh agent one?
[14:05] <seb128> they got placed over the text until you focus the dialog
[14:05] <seb128> then the dialog resizes and they get placed under it
[14:07] <bregma> seb128, I've noticed some GTK dialogs are distorted on high-DPI systems, like the unlock dialog nearly fills the whole screen and the text and buttons get lost
[14:07] <bregma> I haven't actually tested on an old-fashioned small screen lately
[14:08] <seb128> I'm using a zoom of 1 here
[14:09] <desrt> Laney: so what would you do if i introduced a patch to glib to make it fail ./configure if your C compiler was broken wrt. IEEE floating point behaviour as mandated by the C spec?
[14:10] <seb128> desrt, did you re-review the u-g-m work from attente yesterday? I would like to land that
[14:11] <desrt> ah!  fell off my plate during my war with gcc
[14:11] <Laney> broken as in 'this is what gcc does'?
[14:11] <desrt> Laney: yes :)
[14:12] <desrt> Laney: you could fix this in a number of ways...
[14:12] <desrt> like giving some CFLAGS during the build
[14:13] <desrt> -fexcess-precision=standard, as an example, or -mfpmath=sse -march=pentium3
[14:13] <desrt> you could also patch out the check
[14:13]  * desrt is hoping to start a discussion...
[14:14] <desrt> truly, -mfpmath=sse -march=pentium3 would be good for absolutely everyone who doesn't own a pentium 2...
[14:15] <desrt> -fexcess-precision=standard would get us working code, at least, though
[14:16] <mlankhorst> couldn't we go further and use -march=pentium4 ? :P
[14:16] <mlankhorst> and drop the i386 arch :x
[14:16] <desrt> we already use i686
[14:18] <Laney> yeah I don't know if it's something we could do at the level of glib
[14:19] <desrt> i valid answer to this question is also "i would talk to doko"
[14:19]  * desrt is trying to guage the impact on other distros -- not ubuntu specifically
[14:22] <Laney> I would say "say Ryan, why don't you start a thread on ubuntu-devel about this?"
[14:22] <Laney> that'll smoke the right people out
[14:22] <desrt> sounds like a good plan
[14:22] <desrt> i'll do that after i review attente's patch :)
[14:23] <Laney> Debian would have to act similarly, and it might be harder to make this kind of change there
[14:23] <desrt> it seems that debian is very likely to be concerned with correctness
[14:24] <desrt> so they might want -fexcess-precision=standard anyway
[14:24] <Laney> what's the performance hit like?
[14:25] <desrt> i looked at the code... it's not pretty
[14:25] <desrt> in i686 you have mmx, it seems... and they use that if it's there
[14:26] <desrt> turning on standards means that it stops using mmx and goes back to oldschool fpu instructions
[14:26] <desrt> sse/sse2 got it right so if those are available they use them with preference
[14:26] <desrt> and indeed this is the default for amd64 (since all known amd64 implementations also have sse/sse2)
[14:26] <desrt> but with -march=i686, we don't know if we have sse/sse2
[14:29] <Laney> OH GOD
[14:29] <Laney> I did schroot -e --all-sessions, which kills all open schroot sessions
[14:30] <Laney> guess what free software web browser engine had been building all day in another session
[14:30] <seb128> $browser_engine_that_shall_not_be_named 11 - 3 Laney
[14:30] <seb128> Laney, just give up and throw it at a ppa builder I say
[14:31] <Laney> yeah, fat fingers can't get in the way there ...
[14:31] <Laney> or dodgy kernels or whatever made my machine die overnight
[15:14] <tkamppeter> seb128, how can I merge the proposed patch on https://code.launchpad.net/~philpem/ubuntu/trusty/ptouch-driver/fix-esc-i-a-for-pt-series/+merge/209351? Or do I simply upload the package with the patch applied?
[15:15] <seb128> tkamppeter, simply uploading with the patch is fine
[15:16] <tkamppeter> seb128, OK, thanks.
[15:16] <seb128> tkamppeter, yw, thanks for looking at it!
[15:18] <desrt> Laney: discussion opened :)
[15:19] <desrt> or at least it will be once the moderator approves the post
[15:23] <Laney> cool, thanks for that
[15:23] <tkamppeter> seb128, package uploaded.
[15:24] <desrt> Laney: i think i'm going to avoid fixing the test meanwhile
[15:24] <desrt> so you can continue to patch it out or you can build glib with some CFLAGS which cause the compiler to produce correct code
[15:25] <Laney> I uploaded the volatile patch
[15:28] <kenvandine> seb128, were you complaining about something with failing tests on the builders related to gsettings?
[15:35] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[15:35] <seb128> kenvandine, no, why?
[15:36] <seb128> kenvandine, xnox was complaining about content-hub/gsettings slowness in the emulator yesterday, but that's only recent discussion around gsetting that I remember
[15:37] <kenvandine> seb128, ok, i thought i overheard you and desrt talking about this
[15:37] <seb128> kenvandine, we were discussing a segfault issue that's hitting u-s-d and something other softwares
[15:39] <kenvandine> ok, i am seeing segfaults in the test suite in a ppa
[15:39] <kenvandine> for content-hub
[15:40] <kenvandine> might not be related to gsettings at all
[15:42] <desrt> gsettings gives you SIGABRT, not SIGSEGV :)
[15:43] <kenvandine> desrt, of course it does... you love aborts :)
[15:43] <seb128> kenvandine, do you have a bt?
[15:44] <kenvandine> no... it's only on the ppa builders
[15:44] <seb128> kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1284647 is the bug I was mentioning
[15:44] <kenvandine> not sure how to get that
[15:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1284647 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "gsettings crashed with SIGSEGV in g_settings_backend_dispatch_signal()" [High,Triaged]
[15:50] <dobey> hmm, this compiz window size bug is starting to get annoying :-/
[15:51] <seb128> which one?
[15:52] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1287472 i think
[15:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1287472 in Compiz "compiz unnecessarily shrinks new windows" [Medium,Triaged]
[15:53] <seb128> seems like Trevinho is on it
[15:53] <seb128> Laney, larsu: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/3.0.1-1ubuntu12 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/14.04.5
[15:54] <larsu> seb128: awesome, thanks!
[15:54] <seb128> yw
[16:19] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, one of the tons things I'm doing right now :)
[16:21] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, I also assigned you a new segfault for the client side decoration (not sure if noticed), showed up on e.u.c today
[16:22] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I saw the email... then my firefox decided not to load gmail... (and I can't restart it now) :)
[16:26] <Laney> seb128: nice one
[16:27] <seb128> thanks
[16:35] <kenvandine> seb128, sorry, was in a meeting... the armhf builders for ppas, those are virtual aren't they?  only the archive gets real hardware?
[16:38] <seb128> kenvandine, depends of the ppa I think, normal ppas don't have armhf, do they?
[16:38] <kenvandine> no... but my ppa does
[16:39] <kenvandine> but i think by default they're virtual
[16:39] <seb128> that's likely yes
[16:39] <kenvandine> i bet it's hitting this same qemu thing signond hit a while back
[18:01]  * Sweetshark hugs mterry!
[18:01] <Sweetshark> mterry: thanks for the MIRs!
[18:02] <mterry> Sweetshark, :)
[18:04] <Sweetshark> ... esp. since I missed the subscriptions ...
[18:05] <Sweetshark> mterry: seb128 and me werent sure: Do I need another one for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice-dictionaries ? Its essentially a source package rename from openoffice.org-dictionaries -- same codebase and all binary packages from it used to be in main before.
[18:06] <mterry> Sweetshark, is there new packaging?
[18:07] <mterry> Sweetshark, if packaging changed, it doesn't hurt to get a quick once over, but meh.  Not a *huge* deal either way
[18:07] <mterry> Sweetshark, I would just run through the checklist and make sure a team is subscribed to bugs, etc
[18:08] <Sweetshark> mterry: the packaging was updated, based on the old stuff. seb128 had a glace over it. mostly updating debhelper, killing dpatch and some lintian nags.
[18:08] <mterry> Sweetshark, just make sure a bug subscriber exists and you're fine
[18:09] <Sweetshark> mterry: 'The subscription has been created.'
[18:09] <Sweetshark> (30 seconds before this conversation)
[18:09] <mterry> :)
[18:10]  * Sweetshark is no a quick learner. But on the third try, there is a chance that he gets it.
[18:10] <mterry> heh