[05:22] <Kilos> morning all
[05:37] <Private_User> morning everybody
[05:37] <Private_User> morning Kilos
[05:37] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[05:44] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[05:45] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[05:48] <Private_User> morning bduk1
[05:50] <bduk1> Dont want to hear nothing from the gauteng people about rain, hope all had enough. I like this weather.
[05:53] <Kilos> hi jabberwocky93 
[05:53] <Kilos> yeah bduk1 wonderful
[05:54] <Kilos> nw province still having a droubt
[05:54] <Kilos> drought
[05:54] <inetpro> good morning
[05:55] <inetpro> and hi Kilos
[05:55] <Kilos> morninet
[05:55] <Kilos> oh my
[05:55] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[05:55] <Kilos> going mad here. using tab complete after morn
[05:56] <Kilos> another 17mm last night inetpro 
[05:57] <inetpro> sjoe
[05:57] <inetpro> just 2.5 on my side
[05:57] <Kilos> wow
[06:01] <jabberwocky93> morning all
[06:05] <Spekko> morning peeepil
[06:05] <Kilos> hi Spekko 
[06:09] <magespawn> good morning
[06:09] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:32] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:40] <Private_User> morning jabberwocky93, inetpro, Spekko, magespawn, ThatGraemeGuy
[06:40] <Private_User> and I have already greeted Kilos so nobody ask why he is not included
[06:40] <Spekko> Morning Private_User
[06:40] <Private_User> :D
[06:40] <Kilos> hehe
[06:40] <Spekko> Morning Kilos (Private user made me feel bad for not mentioning by name)
[06:41] <Kilos> how far are you with cleaning the desktop pc
[06:41] <Spekko> Maaz: coffee on
[06:41]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[06:41] <Private_User> oh thanks for reminding me Kilos
[06:41] <Private_User> gonna do it now
[06:41] <Kilos> hehe
[06:42] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[06:42] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[06:42] <Kilos> oh my
[06:42] <Kilos> lagging hey Maaz 
[06:42] <Private_User> Maaz: coffee
[06:42] <Maaz> Private_User: coffee is liquid code
[06:42] <Private_User> Maaz: coffee please
[06:42] <Maaz> Private_User: Righto
[06:43] <jabberwocky93> morning Private_User
[06:43] <inetpro> hi Private_User
[06:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Spekko, Kilos and Private_User!
[06:46] <Kilos> Maaz gracias amigo
[06:46] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[06:50] <Private_User> Maaz: THANK YOU
[06:50] <Maaz> Private_User: Sure
[06:59] <Kilos> wow after using opera browser for many months i just found it has lots of extensions
[06:59] <Kilos> Maaz seen golynx
[06:59] <Maaz> Kilos: golynx was last seen 11 hours, 44 minutes and 57 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-03-04 11:15:00 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-03-04 11:50:59 PST
[07:19] <Private_User> I just found a ghekko inside the power supply
[07:20] <Private_User> wondering if that could have been causing the random shutdowns
[07:22] <Squirm> a good mate of mine found a fried one in his PSU
[07:22] <Squirm> it was shorting it out
[07:22] <Squirm> which was tripping the mains on the DB board
[07:22] <Squirm> took them a while to figure it out
[07:22] <Kilos> hehe
[07:25] <Kilos> inetpro it seems to be making up for all the years of min rain
[07:25] <Kilos> pouring here
[07:26] <Kilos> poor sheep dont enjoy this weather
[07:31] <Private_User> gecko is that the correct spelling?
[07:31] <Kilos> Maaz spell ghecko
[07:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: Gecko or gecko
[07:35] <Private_User> Maaz: Define Gecko
[07:35] <Maaz> Private_User: Gecko \Geck"o\ (g[e^]k"[-o]), n.; pl. {Geckoes} (g[e^]k"[=o]z). [Cf. F. & G. gecko; -- so called from the sound which the animal utters.] (Zool.) Any lizard of the family {Geckonid[ae]}. The geckoes are small, carnivorous, mostly nocturnal animals with large eyes and vertical, elliptical pupils. Their toes are generally expanded, and furnished with
[07:35] <Maaz> adhesive disks, by which they can run over walls and ceilings. They are numerous in warm c…
[07:36] <Private_User> I hate them, geckos that is
[07:37] <bduk1> They are great eating a lot of mozies and other small insects Private_User 
[07:37] <Private_User> I don't mind them outside since they keep the insect population in check but inside the house is a definite no, no
[07:39] <Kilos> they mess up the walls and windows
[07:39] <Kilos> doom kills many more mossies
[07:39] <Kilos> mozzies
[07:49] <Private_User> not forgetting finding their faeces everywhere
[07:49] <Kilos> yeah
[07:50] <Kilos> they good outside
[08:05] <Private_User> I think this Desktop is clean enough
[08:11] <Kilos> be sure, dont think, thionking is bad for the brain
[08:11] <Kilos> whew so many typos
[08:15] <Kilos> another net-split day looks like
[08:15] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[08:33] <waanie> Hi Guys 
[08:35] <waanie> I have been using linux for about 10 years
[08:36] <waanie> ubuntu from about 2010
[08:46] <waanie> I use it as a desktop os as well as a LAMP server with zpanel
[08:47] <waanie> I use it as a reverse proxy and I use bacula for backups
[08:47] <waanie> looking at puttin zentiyal down at some point to see what I can get from there
[08:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> welcome
[08:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> pull up a chair and enjoy the peace and quiet ;-)
[08:53] <waanie> thanks
[08:53] <waanie> I am in port elizabeth
[08:54] <waanie> not too many folks out here that use it
[08:54] <waanie> anybody doing interesting things with ubuntu
[08:58] <superfly> ohi
[09:02] <waanie_> I decided to install xchat
[09:02] <waanie_> I am still here
[09:04] <waanie_> are there any folks from PE
[09:04] <waanie_> looking for a project to work on and to learn
[09:14] <waanie_> I am interested in web technologies like node and ruby
[09:43] <kbmonkey> good day 0/
[09:43] <nuvolari> oh hi kbmonkey 
[09:43] <nuvolari> this is not a trick question: is there a solution to binary file version control?
[09:43] <nuvolari> everyone says "Don't store binary files in X"
[09:43] <nuvolari> but there is no solution to where it *should* go
[09:44] <kbmonkey> hi nuvolari 
[09:44] <kbmonkey> well git can store binary files!
[09:45] <kbmonkey> granted you can't always store diffs, so if the data stays unchanged for most of the time
[09:45] <kbmonkey> you're golden
[09:47] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: that's the issue :P
[09:47] <kbmonkey> if the files are very large, you can symlink instead. git stores the symlinks, and use some backup system for the big files
[09:47] <nuvolari> themes come to mind
[09:47] <nuvolari> lots and lots of image data
[09:47] <nuvolari> now the issue with that is to get non-VCS-savvy people to use it
[09:48] <kbmonkey> damn that is a tricky one!
[09:50] <nuvolari> words can't describe my hate for subversion at this moment
[09:51] <kbmonkey> well, share the images and a backup snaps them every so often. then refresh and commit the changed images within the release branch?
[09:52] <kbmonkey> that is, during development they can change the images till they go blue, and you only take them into the code at the end.
[10:29] <magespawn> nuvolari, make them VCS savvy?
[11:19] <Private_User> hey anybody else experiencing slow internet connectivity?
[11:20] <Private_User> or is it just me?
[11:48] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, tell them they should get professional XD
[11:49] <magespawn> later all 
[12:39] <kbmonkey> good day
[13:47] <Private_User> afternoon all
[13:47] <Private_User> anybody else experiencing connectivity issues to the internet?
[13:50] <theblazehen> Private_User, nope
[13:50] <Private_User> ok know of any issues with 3G today or with CellC 3G connectivity?
[13:51] <Private_User> I am unable to get to any sites
[13:52] <Private_User> just pinged google.com
[13:52] <Private_User> got 3 request time outs
[13:52] <Private_User> and the last one was a reply
[13:52] <Private_User> Reply from 173.194.34.100: bytes=32 time=3619ms TTL=50
[13:53] <Private_User> there definitely is a delay some where
[14:26] <Private_User> hey anybody here know for a blue cable and white cable which would be the negative and positive
[14:26] <Private_User> ?
[14:26] <Private_User> this is for a power switch for a desktop
[14:26] <Golynx> hi Private_User
[14:27] <Private_User> hi Golynx
[14:27] <Golynx> usually when i was an electrician the blue was the neutral wire, meaning negative
[14:28] <Private_User> ok and if its red and white?
[14:28] <Private_User> and also green and black?
[14:28] <Golynx> but i could be wrong. That depends on the manufacturer that made it 
[14:28] <Private_User> :(
[14:28] <Private_User> my internet is not working so not able to search
[14:29] <Golynx> red will always be positive charge and black negative
[14:29] <Golynx> Maaz google blue cable white cable negative and positive
[14:30] <Maaz> Golynx: "Wiring Color Codes : Color Codes - All About Circuits" http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_5/chpt_2/2.html :: "Which speaker wire is the negative the black or the striped" http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_speaker_wire_is_the_negative_the_black_or_the_striped :: "USB pins of the four wires inside the USB - Black and Red, White ..."
[14:30] <Maaz> http://geopeter.hubpages.com/hub/USB-pins-o-the-four-wires-inside-the-USB-Black-and-Red-White-and-Green :: "Color …
[14:30] <Golynx> hmm :/
[14:32] <Private_User> the writing on this motherboard is so tiny for these power/reset switches
[14:32] <Golynx> Maaz google blue wire negative pc
[14:32] <Maaz> Golynx: "G and triangle, negative or positive cables [Solved] - New Build ..." http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/294741-31-triangle-negative-positive-cables :: "Wiring Color Codes : Color Codes - All About Circuits" http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_5/chpt_2/2.html :: "Color Code of Wires inside the USB - Mark Johann - HubPages" http://markjohann.hubpages.com/hub
[14:32] <Maaz> /Color-Coded-Wire-inside-the-USB :: "USB pins of the four wires inside the USB - Black a…
[14:32] <Golynx> ai 
[14:33] <Golynx> Private_User is it only on the switch that the wire is loose
[14:34] <Private_User> I am trying to reconnect it and I forgot to write down this stuff
[14:34] <Private_User> I dis-assemble the whole machine
[14:34] <Private_User> now re-assembling
[14:35] <Golynx> oh, thats bad
[14:36] <Golynx> but a switch is just a switch. If you can remove the wires and there were only 2 in there then it should'nt matter which place the wire fits in the switch
[14:38] <Private_User> ok thanks Golynx
[14:38] <Golynx> but i have to be there to know whats going on, else i'm not much help
[14:38] <Golynx> good luck
[14:38] <Private_User> they have the lables what they for just not which is + or -
[14:38] <Private_User> on the mobo it states which side the - and + go
[14:39] <Private_User> I assumed these things could only go in 1 way
[14:39] <Private_User> that is how I managed to plug everything else 
[14:40] <Golynx> if the + marker on the switch then thats the white wire generally. For the - marker the blue wire
[14:41] <Golynx> its best to check the manual to not make critical mistakes that could damage your pc
[14:41] <Private_User> ok my internet seems to be working now let me check on the manufactures website
[14:41] <Golynx> good
[14:42] <Golynx> hope its not a bomb your trying to diffuse :p
[14:44] <Private_User> or build
[14:44] <Private_User> :D
[14:44] <Private_User> hehe
[14:44] <Golynx> lol
[14:44] <Private_User> nope not building a bomb just now NSA, FBI listening and will think we terrorists
[14:44] <Private_User> O:-)
[14:45] <Private_User> lol
[14:45] <Private_User> dude but imagine somebody trying to diffuse a bomb and asking for help on IRC
[14:46] <Private_User> that would make a funny movie
[14:46] <Golynx> hahaha yeah it would
[14:53] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I found boar
[14:53] <nuvolari> which seems promising
[14:53] <nuvolari> https://code.google.com/p/boar/
[14:53] <nuvolari> Binary Object ARchive
[14:53] <nuvolari> seems smiple
[14:53] <nuvolari> er
[14:53] <nuvolari> simple
[15:09] <Private_User> hey can anyone tell me if its normal for a CPU to be stuck to a HeatSink/Fan
[15:09] <Private_User> when I removed it it came out very easily but now I am not sire how to put it back and whether it will align properly if I do or is it possible to do so?
[15:09] <Private_User> *sure
[15:09] <Private_User> or do you guys suggest I remove it first from the heatsink
[15:09] <Private_User> ?
[15:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> Private_User: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_grease
[15:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> Over time, some thermal greases may dry out, have reduced heat transferring capabilities, or set like glue and make it difficult to remove the heat sink. If too much force is applied the processor may be damaged. Heating the grease by turning the processor on for a short period often softens the adhesion. Another method to use can be by turning the heatsink slowly instead of lifting it up. It is recommended that thermal 
[15:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> grease be re-applied with each removal of the heatsink.[14]
[15:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you remove it from the heatsink you will need to properly clean the existing thermal paste and apply a fresh coat
[15:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's a bit of an art unto itself, you have to put on enough that its effective, but not too much either
[15:13] <Private_User> eish but I have none and the heat sink and fan is off came off easily with the CPU stuck to it
[15:16] <Private_User> what happens if I use without the thermal paste?
[15:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> heat dissipation is likely to be less than optimal
[15:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> if its stuck it should be ok
[15:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> unless you specifically need to take it off the heatsink for some reason
[15:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> what cpu is it?
[15:19] <Private_User> nope I do not but I am not sure how to put it back on the motherboard
[15:20] <Private_User> will I be able to just place on?
[15:20] <Private_User> its an intel processor
[15:21] <Private_User> gigabyte mobo
[15:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> usually there's only 1 way it'll go in
[15:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> you don't know the specific type of processor? "intel" doesn't do much to narrow it down ;-)
[15:29] <Private_User> lol
[15:29] <Private_User> sorry ThatGraemeGuy I cannot remember, Intel P4 @GHz processor I think
[15:30] <Private_User> since the CPU is stuck on cannot read from there either
[15:30] <Private_User> *2GHz
[15:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> www.dansdata.com/images/i845s/p4pins440.jpg
[15:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> something like that?
[15:33] <Private_User> yeah the pins look about right but the middle is slightly different
[15:35] <Private_User> I am trying to search for an image to show you
[15:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, but in that image ^^^ you see how the bottom right corner has 2 pins missing? the socket will similary have 2 pins blocked up, so the cpu is physically only capable of going in correctly
[15:38] <Private_User> ok but I thought you have to always lift the lever and then insert?
[15:38] <Private_User> so I could just insert without lifting the lever?
[15:44] <Private_User> eish everywhere I read on the net it says I have to remove it but then how did it come off so easily when I removed the heatsink/fan. It should have been difficult I would assume since the lever is supposed to lock the CPU in place
[15:44] <Kilos> afternoon all. no power today while eskom planted new poles
[15:45] <Kilos> what i missed
[15:45] <Kilos> what you breaking Private_User 
[15:45] <Private_User> and also I do not have thermal paste so if I remove it from the heat sink I will have to re-apply before re-inserting so I am just in a bit of a twist at the moment not sure whgat to do or just take a chance
[15:45] <Private_User> haha hi Kilos
[15:46] <Private_User> I am putting this desktop together
[15:46] <Private_User> but the CPU is stuck to the heatsink/fan
[15:46] <Kilos> ya the paste is holding it
[15:47] <Private_User> it came off so easily when I removed it thought it was the way this motherboard worked
[15:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, i forgot about those lever things :-/
[15:47] <Private_User> but now I am scared to put it back just like that
[15:47] <Kilos> have you lifted it off the m/board
[15:47]  * ThatGraemeGuy not too much of a hardware guy
[15:47] <Private_User> no worries ThatGraemeGuy you are very helpful
[15:47] <Private_User> thanks
[15:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry..... it turns out i'm more useless than initially assumed :-D
[15:47] <Kilos> ai!
[15:47] <Private_User> but now I wondering take a chance or wait for thermal paste
[15:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> aaaand my afterhours tasks are done, i'm off, have a good evening
[15:48] <Kilos> dont say things like that ThatGraemeGuy 
[15:49] <Golynx> Private_User you can try ##hardware too, lots of "know how to" guys there
[15:49] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[15:49] <Kilos> hi Golynx 
[15:50] <Private_User> thanks Golynx
[15:58] <Kilos> Maaz forecast pretoria
[15:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Tuesday: Mostly Cloudy. High: 24° C., Tuesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 20° C., Wednesday: Thunderstorm. High: 24° C., Wednesday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 17° C., Thursday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 22° C., Thursday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 17° C., Friday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 23° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 17° C.,
[15:58] <Maaz> Saturday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 26° C., Saturday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. …
[16:59] <Kilos> grrrr
[17:03] <theblazehen> hello
[17:03] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[19:59] <Kilos> hi kiselenok 
[19:59] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[20:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight