[00:00] <bluesabre> ah
[00:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: do you want credit for this one? :)
[00:02]  * bluesabre feels a bit lazy
[00:03] <Unit193> bluesabre: http://pastebin.com/kTikACG1 nope, you're good.
[00:03] <bluesabre> lol
[00:03] <bluesabre> now I don't have a choice
[00:05] <Unit193> Could comment on the bug too if you want. :P
[00:10] <ochosi> ali1234: so much for bodhi-linux really using the greeter: "We are actually hoping to replace lightdm with the EFL login manager entrance before our release, so not much went into that one."
[00:12] <knome> Unit193, see: #x, what package is that?
[00:12] <knome> Unit193, or in other words, can you make a list of all packages that need updating with new version numbers so we are able to refer to that for T+1?
[00:12] <knome> Unit193, i bet you remember that out of your head anyway.
[00:13] <Unit193> Uh, no, no I don't, I didn't do the last merge, I have no idea!
[00:13] <Unit193> :P
[00:14] <knome> excuses!
[00:14] <knome> really, it would be helpful.
[00:14] <knome> when you have time
[00:14] <knome> i'll let you delegate, as long as it gets done.
[00:16] <Unit193> I can only think of -artwork and -docs, -default-settings generally doesn't need it.
[00:17] <ochosi> ali1234, andrzejr_: oha, seems like they switched from just pushing pixbufs to indicators, so theoretically they should be able to show in different sizes now (bug #784055 on launchpad)
[00:18] <Unit193> knome: Where you want it?  Please not the wiki?
[00:18] <Unit193> What page if so. :/
[00:19] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes :P
[00:19] <knome> or you can send mail to lyz@ubuntu.com
[00:19] <pleia2> I saw that
[00:19] <knome> yes? :)
[00:20] <pleia2> I like wikis!
[00:20] <Unit193> Even with how much I hate email, I'd almost prefer the second.
[00:20] <knome> weren't you in progress to enhance that page anyway?
[00:20] <pleia2> probably
[00:20] <knome> heh
[00:20] <knome> so makes sense to centralize data
[00:20] <knome> put it in the lyz-cloud
[00:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: added a comment, with mandatory extra words
[00:22] <Unit193> Nice, checking.
[00:22] <Unit193> Waaaait, I get subscribed, again? :P
[00:23] <pleia2> oh right, I have on my list to figure out all the website stuff to update upon release
[00:23] <knome> :)
[00:24] <bluesabre> hehe
[00:26] <brainwash> bluesabre, Unit193: thanks for taking care of this issue
[00:26]  * Unit193 points to bluesabre.
[00:27] <Unit193> 'Welcome?
[00:28] <brainwash> I feel like I really should apply for bug control membership
[00:28] <Unit193> we=?
[00:37] <Unit193> knome: So I didn't know where to put it on the wiki, but I can plop it somewhere and break it.  Mockup is: http://unit193.net/pre-bump.html
[00:44] <knome> Unit193, looks good.
[00:44] <Unit193> Disclaimer, ochosi did the bump for artwork, and x-d-s didn't get one so I have no idea how that's done.
[00:45] <Unit193> ochosi: Did you want -community in?
[01:15] <Unit193> Updated it for a little post-release. :P
[01:20] <Unit193> ochosi: xfpm: mouse over and get information; indicator-power: mouse over and it sits there, like it's eating glue.  I'm in favor of xfpm and am now getting rid of the other.
[03:53] <micahg> ochosi: didn't merge yet, did update meta though, will do another pass on merges tomorrow, still trying to get a little work done before bed
[03:54] <micahg> keep poking me until I do it though :)
[07:17] <elfy> bluesabre: http://pastebin.com/VCHMJgwm
[07:25] <elfy> knome: there is something wrong in image tracker world again - if you look at our upgrade tests, we have dekstop and LTS desktop, reports are being shown against both even if only reported against one
[08:40] <ochosi> Unit193: right, but it's far more consistent to use the indicator in this case. also, if you have wireless mice/keyboards, it groups them nicely
[11:26] <bluesabre> elfy, our menu system is set up to display things with specific categories in certain folders
[11:27] <bluesabre> I can do more hard-forcing of categories in a folder though
[11:27] <bluesabre> maybe making those items unremovable
[12:04] <knome> elfy, hmph
[13:26] <elfy> bluesabre: ok - I'm ok with that - what's the categorie to get something to show in Accessories :)
[13:27] <elfy> I just think that if something to set up a menu - let's you put that thing in an area of the menu - then that is where it should appear - I might be being old-fashioned though :p
[13:28] <elfy> knome: not at all sure how we can fix that - kind of screws up the reporting for us 
[13:29] <ali1234> Category: Accessability, Core, Legacy, utility OR Filename: exo-file-manager.desktop, exo-terminalemulator.desktop, xfce4-about.desktop, xfce4-run.desktop
[13:30] <ali1234> from /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[13:31] <elfy> well - I guess that will all need documenting then
[14:38] <knome> elfy, yeah, maybe talk with balloons? i'm not able to be around much today
[16:07] <elfy> knome: ack
[17:11] <schproodle> elfy, with vbox 'mouse integration' on would one be able to have the mouse pointer dragged to another workspace?
[17:13] <schproodle> elfy, can't drag pointer or window to another workspace on my 14.04 vm
[17:14] <schproodle> elfy, the vim has 'mouse integration' enabled with guest additions eh
[17:18] <GridCube> i've noticed that there is no indicator of active virtual desktop on our new panel layout
[17:23] <schproodle> GridCube, no switcher by default it seems
[17:25] <schproodle> workspace switcher can be added of course
[17:26] <GridCube> yes, but users who know nothing of virtual desktops will be baffled because their active windows will dissapear if the accidentally use the scroll wheel on the desktop, a thing that happens easily if you use a touchpad
[17:27] <GridCube> :) we just need to add the switcher, or get rid of the extra desktop
[17:27] <schproodle> I agree -- file a bug for ubiquity as the install window seems to disappear.
[17:28] <schproodle> by inadvertent mouse wheel activation
[17:28] <GridCube> but thats not a bug on ubiquity schproodle 
[17:29] <schproodle> no, rather about how ubiquity is working xubuntu install
[17:29] <GridCube> no, its just a feature that is currently missing a visual aid
[17:30] <schproodle> that is what I suggested in the report or alternatively no other workspace, just one
[17:31] <schproodle> as you appeared to imply :) if I read that correctly
[17:32] <elfy> schproodle: that's entirely possible down to it being in a virtual machine - especially at the moment
[17:32] <elfy> GridCube: that needs to be brought up in a meeting then
[17:33] <schproodle> elfy, ok
[17:33] <GridCube> elfy, k, can you bring it as i most probably wont be at any meeting thats held at the current hours
[17:33] <elfy> if it fails in a hardware scenario then fail the testcase
[17:33] <elfy> GridCube: add it to the meeting page
[17:34] <GridCube> ok
[17:34] <GridCube> elfy, should i open a bug report for it?
[17:34] <elfy> *shrug* 
[17:35] <elfy> probably better to do a quick spec as to why there should be one 
[17:35] <GridCube> ok
[17:35] <elfy> it's not a bug as such - more a difference of opinion :)
[17:37] <schproodle> Bug 1282719
[17:39] <elfy> that again isn't a bug - but opinion
[17:40] <schproodle> my opinion is that it would appear to interfere with an installation and add confusion to the process.
[17:41] <elfy> and my opinion is that people should learn that the operating system they are using - uses the mouse wheel to change desktops 
[17:41] <schproodle> just that GridCube recorded a similar concern here
[17:44] <elfy> knome: ok - sussed that - I'll do 2 new testcases then we need to use those for LTS or vice versa, then I'll spend some time editing results now so we have real numbers
[17:45] <elfy> schproodle: I don't have anything to do with what gets put on the panel - nor what is seeded - I am just one of a bunch on -team 
[17:46] <elfy> I don't think it's an issue - but I don't care either what gets put on a default panel much as mine is never a default panel
[17:46] <schproodle> just chatting about it with GridCube eh. :) Thanks for taking an interest. 
[17:47] <elfy> :)
[17:56] <GridCube> elfy, knome added a new and emerging item to the meeting wiki
[17:57] <GridCube> i added
[17:58] <elfy> thanks GridCube 
[19:01] <knome> GridCube, do you realize that there was actually a lot of time to give feedback on the proposal?
[19:01] <knome> GridCube, and that you approved it yourself in the meeting?
[19:01] <knome> GridCube, and now you want to revert the decision?
[19:02] <GridCube> no, i dont want revert the destion
[19:03] <knome> GridCube, yes, it is what you are actually proposing.
[19:03] <knome> GridCube, the workspace switcher not being in the proposal, and you approving it means that you are okay with no workspace switcher
[19:03] <knome> GridCube, now you want to add it back.
[19:03] <knome> GridCube, how is that not reverting the vote/decision?
[19:04] <knome> please explain me, because i fail to understand
[19:04] <GridCube> well, i did not notice it gone, and now i do
[19:05] <knome> referring to our last discussion, is this the result we get when the experts show the team something?
[19:05] <knome> they are too lazy or too uninterested to really try something out
[19:05] <knome> and then they do a decision
[19:06] <knome> and after that, come back telling "no, that's not what i want"?
[19:09] <GridCube> knome, i always though that the workspace switcher was part of the indicators 
[19:09] <GridCube> this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu
[19:09] <GridCube> shows that indicators will still be present
[19:09] <GridCube> so i never though they would get removed
[19:09] <knome> for what reason did you think the workspace is part of the indicators?
[19:09] <GridCube> i might be an ignorant then
[19:09] <knome> it is not an indicator applet
[19:09] <GridCube> because its in the same area
[19:09] <knome> it is a separate applet
[19:10] <knome> also, why didn't you ask, but just thought?
[19:10] <GridCube> well its a different applet, not i know that
[19:10] <GridCube> because i did not though of that, because i always remove it because i dont use multiple virtual desktops so i dont have it present
[19:10] <elfy> regardless of whether people should or shouldn't have done something - we're now not giving anyone any indication of what's going on - anywhere - that said I don't care 
[19:11] <GridCube> knome, also im not attacking the panel in no way, im just saying that i, and maybe others, overlooked this
[19:11] <knome> GridCube, what does the overlooking tell about?
[19:11] <knome> elfy, i'm not sure i follow your comment..
[19:11] <elfy> that people are tired imo
[19:12] <knome> tired of what?
[19:12] <GridCube> knome, that not everyone is on the same page on everything ever
[19:12] <elfy> just tired tired knome :)
[19:12] <elfy> people miss things 
[19:12] <elfy> people are people
[19:13] <knome> GridCube, so, are you saying that when the team proposes, they should specifically mention every little detail they changed?
[19:13] <knome> if it's something that is so interesting/important, maybe it shouldn't have slipped under everybody's sight.
[19:13] <GridCube> knome, why are you attacking me?
[19:14] <GridCube> if its not then it will be disregarded on the meeting
[19:14] <knome> GridCube, i'm not attacking you. i'm just trying to make you see how this looks from my point of view
[19:14] <GridCube> I sincerely don't like the way you are pushing me. I'm just trying to say something i've not seen being said before. 
[19:14] <knome> GridCube, it's not the first time you are noticing something has changed and jumped on the team for changing things
[19:15] <GridCube> knome, i have never had the intention to attack anyone
[19:15] <knome> GridCube, i'm also sharing the frustration with ochosi
[19:15] <knome> he did the proposal months ago
[19:15] <knome> nobody looked at it
[19:15] <knome> then when it was proposed in the meeting, everybody agreed on it
[19:16] <knome> and after that, people have several times came back and said "this change is wrong"
[19:16] <knome> even if they participated in the meeting and approved the changes
[19:16] <knome> can you even consider how that feels for ochosi?
[19:17] <GridCube> yes, I see what you mean knome 
[19:17] <knome> i agree that this might have escalated too quickly and too far, but seriously, the team and others had months to give feedback
[19:17] <knome> then it was officially approved
[19:17] <knome> and only after that we get the feedback and "oh this is not good"
[19:18] <knome> and please don't say i'm attacking you
[19:18] <brainwash> we should explain at least why it is gone, in the FAQ for 14.04
[19:18] <knome> i'm just pointing out that this isn't the way we are supposed to work
[19:18] <knome> brainwash, is it a FAQ?
[19:19] <brainwash> it will be :)
[19:19] <GridCube> knome, it will be
[19:19] <knome> GridCube, how do you know?
[19:19] <knome> you said you don't use it
[19:19] <knome> how can we predict anything?
[19:20] <knome> it's sad that this is brought up now, and not before
[19:20] <knome> i can understand the rationale
[19:20] <knome> but i can't agree with the way and time it's brought up
[19:21] <GridCube> isnt the time for testing the time to see what mistakes we all made?
[19:21] <brainwash> nothing wrong with giving feedback after testing it
[19:21] <GridCube> :/
[19:21] <knome> brainwash, except that there was months to see the proposal, and one could expect people to test something before they vote on it?
[19:22] <GridCube> knome, i told you, i saw the proposal and saw nothing wrong with it because i overlooked the switcher
[19:22] <knome> GridCube, i understand that.
[19:22] <GridCube> i sincerely though it was part of the indicators pack
[19:22] <knome> sure.
[19:23] <knome> next time, please ask if you are unsure
[19:23] <GridCube> i was not unsure
[19:23] <GridCube> i did not know it was to be deleted
[19:23] <brainwash> it's quite easy to overlook it, because many people consider the workspace switcher to be essential
[19:23] <knome> i've changed the meeting item to a more neutral tone one "discuss..." from "needs to be added"
[19:23] <GridCube> ok
[19:23] <knome> brainwash, then if many people consider it essential, and it wasn't in the proposal, why didn't anybody say anything?
[19:24] <GridCube> because we never though it was to be removed?
[19:24] <brainwash> I did, but I'm not part of the team
[19:24] <GridCube> nevermid, I have to go
[19:24] <GridCube> good day to all and sorry for always being a bother
[19:24] <ali1234> wait, you're removing the workspace switcher?
[19:25] <brainwash> and I'm just concerned that we don't inform the users about why we removed the switcher
[19:25] <knome> ali1234, proposed since months.
[19:25] <ali1234> well, i don't really care about the default
[19:25] <ali1234> as long as i can still install it
[19:25] <brainwash> neither do I
[19:25] <ali1234> probably better off without it for most people, tbh
[19:25] <knome> well, the community is here to care about the default...
[19:26] <knome> and i'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed
[19:26] <knome> but there's something wrong with this way to make decisions...
[19:26] <ali1234> where do these proposals and discussion take place?
[19:26] <knome> vote and approve first, then go "oops!"
[19:26] <ali1234> cos i don't remember it
[19:26] <ochosi> the proposal and voting happened in meetings
[19:26] <knome> ali1234, it was discussed and voted in a meeting, and has been available in the wiki for a long time
[19:26] <ochosi> the proposal was put up on the wiki page
[19:26] <ochosi> and there was a blueprint referring to it
[19:27] <ali1234> how long are we talking? weeks? months?
[19:27] <knome> not explicitly advertised every week, but it was there, and it was discoverable
[19:27] <knome> it was up months.
[19:27] <ali1234> remember i've only been here like 3 months
[19:27] <knome> and in the meeting, people were specifically pointed to that page
[19:27] <knome> and told to review it
[19:28] <ochosi> ali1234: hah, now that indicators actually provide icon names instead of pixbufs hardcoded to 22px, the skype icon ends up in xfce4-indicator-plugin too large and is hence cut off :}
[19:28] <ali1234> skype isn't an indicator tho
[19:28] <knome> if any feature we proposed dropping was essential, why didn't *anybody* in the meeting notice it?
[19:28] <ali1234> it's a tray icon
[19:28] <ali1234> i dunno. was i at the meeting?
[19:28] <ochosi> ali1234: nope, it's an indicator if you install the right package (sni-qt i think it is)
[19:29] <ali1234> ochosi: cool, i didn't know that
[19:29] <ali1234> the skype icon actually gets cut off when it's a tray icon also
[19:29] <ochosi> ali1234: see how it's not scaled down anymore (which it used to as an indicator): http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-03-05-202925.php
[19:29] <ali1234> but that's pretty standard with tray icons
[19:29] <ochosi> will ping trevinho about that
[19:30] <ali1234> hmm yeah that is quite a bit worse
[19:30] <ochosi> just to see what is going on 
[19:30] <ochosi> but i guess it's actually the xfce4-indicator-plugin not caring about sizes anymore, because it used to be hardcoded to 22px
[19:30] <ali1234> it's probably some bug with the plugin
[19:30] <ochosi> well, the code for scaling icons was remove
[19:30] <ochosi> d
[19:30] <brainwash> knome: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-02-13-19.01.log.html#l-128
[19:30] <ochosi> because until recently, it caused more problems than it helped (fuzzy icons in all sizes etc)
[19:30] <brainwash> :)
[19:31] <ali1234> brainwash: ah yeah i remember that
[19:31] <knome> brainwash, http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-02-13-19.01.log.html#l-190
[19:31] <ali1234> i assumed when dropping the bottom panel, all stuff actually on it would get moved to the top :)
[19:32] <ochosi> heh, that's crazy though
[19:32] <ochosi> all the launchers
[19:32] <brainwash> so yeah, I did not bother to ask again about it, because it was already too late back then
[19:32] <ali1234> well i assume the window list will be on the top panel?
[19:32] <knome> ali1234, assumed because...?
[19:32] <knome> brainwash, i'm sorry, that was a bit emotional response
[19:33] <ali1234> knome: assumed because the bottom panel contains the task list and the desktop would be useless without it?
[19:33] <ochosi> ali1234: no, not true
[19:33] <ochosi> the bottom panel only contained launchers
[19:33] <knome> ali1234, the top panel was specifically said to include that though
[19:33] <knome> right, that's true
[19:34] <ali1234> (launchers and workspace switcher...)
[19:34] <ochosi> the task-list has been in the top panel for ages
[19:34] <ali1234> i assume?
[19:34] <ochosi> yeah, just saying
[19:35] <ali1234> is there a proposal on which indicators to ship yet?
[19:36] <ochosi> yup, it's also noted on the wiki-page
[19:36] <ali1234> which wiki page?
[19:36] <ochosi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu
[19:37] <ali1234> that page seems badly named :/
[19:38] <ochosi> yeah, well initially it was considered that the panel layout would stand and fall with the inclusion of whiskermenu
[19:38] <ochosi> so i kept using it, since ppl already knew it was there
[19:39] <ali1234> i don't think we should ship with indicators explicitly hidden in the config
[19:39] <ochosi> well the appmenu simply doesnt work
[19:39] <ali1234> hmm good point
[19:39] <ali1234> does hiding it actually make it not crash though?
[19:39] <ochosi> (i also put it there out of tradition, as indicator-plugin always shipped with that one blacklisted)
[19:40] <ochosi> yup
[19:40] <ochosi> never crashed here, anyway
[19:40] <ali1234> ok fair enough, +1 on that
[19:40] <ochosi> can't say it can't happen
[19:41] <ali1234> that all seems reasonable
[19:41] <ochosi> thanks, it's not like i didn't take time to think about these things
[19:41] <ochosi> and i also tried to discuss them with ppl
[19:41] <ali1234> datetime has the config panel issues, printers is going away
[19:42] <ochosi> but it's hard to get ppl to test things ahead of time
[19:42] <ali1234> i don't think there's any others really except stuff like cpufreq and china-weather etc
[19:42] <ali1234> oh and session, which also has issues
[19:43] <ochosi> yeah, session has too many issues
[19:43] <ochosi> would need many patches
[19:43] <ali1234> i'm not really convinced about the bold clock - i tend to think everything should use exactly the same font unless it is really important
[19:43] <elfy> eevening ochosi 
[19:44] <ochosi> hi elfy 
[19:44] <ali1234> but i'll probably end up using datetime anyway cos i prefer it's calendar
[19:44] <ochosi> datetime has terrible recommends
[19:44] <ali1234> yes it does and i wouldn't suggest shipping it
[19:44] <ochosi> and a few depends that i personally dont like for a calendar-popup
[19:44] <Unit193> ochosi: So does -power
[19:44] <ali1234> it also doesn't work properly unless you hack the .desktop file
[19:46] <ochosi> Unit193: which ones do you mean?
[19:46] <ochosi> and yeah, i already read that you're against -power
[19:46] <Unit193> Yes you did, and responded, I don't agree. :P
[19:47] <ochosi> so, which ones are you referring to then
[19:47] <Unit193> unity control, gnome control, etc, etc.
[19:47] <ochosi> that's a recommend
[19:47] <Unit193> I know, < ochosi> datetime has terrible recommends
[19:47] <ochosi> and doesn't even effect us because it has " | xfce4-power-manager"
[19:47] <ochosi> so that really doesn't count
[19:48] <ochosi> datetime doesn't have " | thunderbird" afaik
[19:48] <Unit193> When I tried to install, I had to use --no-install-recommends
[19:48] <Unit193> Not been uploaded with xfpm yet, then?
[19:48] <ochosi> well you go and check
[19:49] <Unit193> Anywho, it tried to pull those in.
[19:49] <ali1234> datetime has the added fun that it depends on unity-control-center and then doesn't even work because the unity-control-center applet is OnlyShowIn=Unity
[19:50] <ochosi> hehe, exactly
[19:53] <ali1234> it should be possible to make it show up in xfce-settings though, with the right .desktop magic. after all, nvidia-settings can do it
[20:01] <knome> so, with a more or less brief discussion with ochosi, we're proposing the following in tomorrow's meeting:
[20:02] <knome> re: the workspaces: drop the scroll-to-changed-workspace feature instead of adding the applet back to panel
[20:03] <knome> re: the action buttons missing: change the logout icon in whiskermenu to be a generic "shutdown" icon to represent the action that many/most people use from that dialog better
[20:03] <ali1234> that should be turned off anyway, it's horrible
[20:03] <elfy> as long as I can tunr it back on 
[20:04] <knome> rationale: we think these changes represent the spririt of the originally proposed panel layout the best
[20:04] <knome> elfy, sure, if you want.
[20:04] <ali1234> what about turning off those couple of things requested on the xfce mailing list?
[20:04] <knome> when have we hardcoded any settings?
[20:04] <ali1234> window shade and something else?
[20:04] <ochosi> yeah, i don't mind turning off shading
[20:04] <knome> another discussion, take it up with ochosi 
[20:05] <knome> for the record, ok for me as well
[20:05] <ali1234> "save session" - that was the other
[20:05] <knome> guess we could also talk about changing window transparency with alt+scroll
[20:06] <ali1234> that no longer works
[20:06] <knome> okay
[20:06] <knome> then let's not discuss it
[20:06] <ali1234> alt+scroll zooms in now
[20:06] <knome> unless somebody wants to reintroduce it
[20:06] <ali1234> (if compositor is enabled, same goes for transparency though)
[20:06] <knome> so zoom+transparency on alt+scroll?
[20:07] <ali1234> yes but zooming gets the event first so the transparency change doesn't happen
[20:07] <knome> okay
[20:07] <ali1234> i didn't even know the transparency thing existed
[20:07] <knome> do you happen to know how to turn *both* features off?
[20:07] <ali1234> yeah, turn off compositing
[20:07] <knome> ...without turning off compositing
[20:07] <ali1234> you can't
[20:08] <knome> even with an xfconfig key?
[20:08] <ali1234> transparency change is also bound to horizontal scrolling, but most people don't have that
[20:08] <ali1234> well you could make your alt key not be alt, but that would break quite a lot of other stuff...
[20:09] <knome> sounds like a bug to me, deceived as a feature :)
[20:09] <knome> there definitely should be a way to disable both/either of those features
[20:09] <ali1234> zooming is bound to scroll + whatever key you set for easymove/resize
[20:09] <ali1234> yes, i agree, patches welcome
[20:09] <ali1234> the key should also be independently configurable
[20:09] <knome> well you know i'm not a programmer
[20:09] <knome> i can file a bug (if not before, after the T cycle)
[20:09] <ali1234> i do now :)
[20:12] <knome> yep
[20:13] <knome> i'll see when i have the time and motivation to file that bug
[20:13] <knome> but it does seem like a bit meh, considering much more is configurable in xfce
[20:13] <knome> it doesn't necessarily have to be in a GUI, but some key for it could be nice
[20:13] <ali1234> i didn't know how to make a configuration option
[20:16] <knome> not blaming you
[20:16] <knome> besides, my original problem was with the transparency stuff anyway
[20:16] <knome> so it existed before your patch...
[20:18] <knome> off for now
[20:18] <knome> see you all later
[20:37] <ochosi> Unit193: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/indicator-power/recommend-xfce4-powermanager/+merge/207018
[20:37] <ochosi> approved but not yet merged
[20:37] <ochosi> so anyway, i'm sure this will go into the final release