[00:04] 4.12.3 works fine here on saucy [00:07] if one were to remove ubuntu-desktop would that remove every gtk/gnome application? [00:07] ahoneybun: I do not think so. [00:07] Riddell: bug 1288469 I think the correct approach here is to have upstream do a release :P [00:08] bug 1288469 in partitionmanager (Ubuntu) "package a snapshot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1288469 [00:08] darfn [00:08] lazy upstreams not doing releases :@ [00:08] *darn [00:08] It will just remove the meta-package [00:08] + on what apachelogger said [00:08] * ahoneybun looks for packages to remove [00:09] Quintasan: mmm ... maybe [00:09] Quintasan: ask again on Friday xD [00:10] shadeslayer: I'll make a doodle later today since I want to ask you guys a few things. [00:10] * Quintasan goes to bed [00:10] Good night. [00:13] this needs to get updated! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE [00:18] so I see muon software manager was removed? [00:18] sorry I don't have it [00:24] ahoneybun: muon discover now. [00:25] ahoneybun: That's a wiki, so you can fix it up. [00:25] I see [00:27] is muon discover going to replace muon update manager? [00:29] No. [00:30] It just replaces the software center, AIUI. [00:41] aiui? [00:55] sudo apt-get remove gnome-* [00:55] removes a lot of ubuntu stuff [00:57] Quintasan, yofel: where do I get invited btw? [00:58] vgezer: out of scope [00:58] as I said, the desktop session is not localized as a whole, because there is no localization on the ISO other than english [00:59] so, if you go to the desktop it will just about always speak english with you, it does not matter whether the two items on the desktop are localized then [01:00] if you don't choose to go to the desktop but install directly you will get a fully localized experience (well, except for the ubiquity partitioning bug, but that is another story) [01:00] apachelogger: yeah i see for the live version, but the installation? you said it also wont be localized, right? [01:00] vgezer: I said the items on the desktop won't be localized, the installer itself has localization bundled [01:01] when you start the ISO, you get to a screen with two buttons [01:01] one is 'try kubuntu' which drops you to the desktop, this will not be localized in aaaaany way [01:01] the other is 'install kubuntu' which continues through ubiquity and is localized as expected [01:01] ah. i had no idea which localization packages gets also installed with the installation, so thought maybe kubuntu-l10-patched could also include the "Kubuntu Documentation".desktop [01:02] no localization packages get installed, that's the problem ^^ [01:02] yes you are right with the installation then... as it doesnt have any locale packages [01:03] ops. :s. really :/. but i remember it was downloading some packages after installation related to l10n. isnt this step also the k'tu-l10n-patched is downloaded? [01:04] oh wow, I just upgrade to 14.04 beta1, and I am greeted with a perfectly black screen with absolutely no way to do anything in KDE, booting on a previous 3.11.x kernel solves the isuse. What did I miss? [01:04] looks as if everthing is black on black [01:05] only thing visible is the plasma panel, but all application windows remain black [01:05] I can see the title bar of the windows, that's it === ximion1 is now known as ximion [01:05] apachelogger: ^, in other words, as we download a lang. package, doesn't it update the .desktop files? e.g. Rekonq only is available as [en]=Rekonq for example. will choosing turkish at installation, update the rekonq.desktop with the turkish description? [01:06] and the name [01:07] vgezer: there is no download in the live session [01:07] the only reason ubiquity is localized is because it has the translationed in the package itself [01:07] s/translationed/translations [01:07] * apachelogger should go to bed [01:08] Mamarok: graphics driver problem maybe [01:08] anyway [01:08] I am off [01:08] nite [01:08] why? I have a very plain intel thing here, always worked before [01:10] let's see more about that tomorrow, I need sleep as well [01:13] apachelogger: ok i understood the live session, now just talking about the installation. i am gonna come tomorrow again :p :). good nite. [01:23] ahoneybun: AIUI = As I Understand It [02:39] apachelogger, http://www.gobolinux.org/?page=at_a_glance === Toadnohyp is now known as Hypnotoad [08:02] ::workspace-bugs:: [1288598] wallpapers disappear @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1288598 (by Afiefh) [08:22] oh wow, I just upgrade to 14.04 beta1, and I am greeted with a perfectly black screen with absolutely no way to do anything in KDE, booting on a previous 3.11.x kernel solves the isuse. What did I miss? [08:23] actually yesterday evening. Something is probably not loaded when starting that kernel, any hints? [08:23] I use a Lenovo X220 which only has Intel stuff inside [08:37] hm, new kernel just came in, let's see if it work this time... brb [08:39] apparently thr problem is solved now [09:48] :) [09:48] do you also have The following packages have been kept back: linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic ? [09:50] Good morning. [10:02] Mamarok: phew :) [10:08] ::workspace-bugs:: [1288598] wallpapers disappear @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1288598 (by Afiefh) [10:22] soee_: dist-upgrade should get them [10:34] Mamarok: yes thank you [10:35] @this bug with wallpapers [10:36] ig you have several custom listed there and yuo download new one through Get new wallpapers, than you see only 2 items - default wallpaper and the downloaded one [10:36] if you close and open desktop settings again all is ok though [10:37] ahoneybun, ovidiu-florin: how's the wordpress testing/theming going? [11:20] Morning [11:24] apachelogger: You were saying before that these polkit issues might be resolved by simply installing my version of libqapt into prefix /usr? [11:25] yes [11:27] I'm trying that now. [11:29] Does Tonio ever come around anymore? [11:29] I'm wondering if I just miss him due to time zones. [11:32] manchicken: hasn't been around for a month or so [11:33] well, rather, hasn't been on IRC, he's not been around for years :P [11:33] Gotcha. [11:37] Well, that didn't help the polkit issue. [11:37] I'm wondering if I'm detecting the dbus write failures properly. [11:38] 'Morning all [11:39] morning BluesKaj [11:39] Hey Riddell [11:43] still a few graphical artifacts here and there like blanking parts of the screen and flickering while scrolling in a browser, but less frequent than 2 days ago [11:47] hard for me to guess whether it's a direct graphics driver problem or X server [12:38] Riddell: kwindowsystem ready [12:41] apachelogger: since we don't add the touchpad ksni thing to the systray area, do you mind if I create a todo to do that? [12:50] shadeslayer: go ahead [12:50] apachelogger: should the KSNI be added even on non touchpad systems? [12:50] aka desktops [13:02] apachelogger: I haven't managed to take a look at it recently :( [13:09] shadeslayer: it should only be added if there is a touchpad i'd say [13:09] apachelogger: right [13:21] apachelogger: kde-runtime i386 logfile Dependency wait: libkubuntu-dev [13:21] apachelogger: is it fine to backport libkubuntu to saucy [13:21] or do I remove that build dep [13:24] shadeslayer: good to backport [13:25] thx done [13:37] whee [13:37] staging is full [14:04] we now have 16G's in staging :P [14:16] 13:30 < avolkov> Riddell: kwindowsystem Build-Depends on libqt5x11extras-dev which is transitional to libqt5x11extras5-dev [14:16] sgclark: further change needed ↑ [14:17] ok [14:19] yofel: kubuntu-batch-backport seems a bit broken [14:19] backporting from saucy to precise doesn't work [14:20] however trusty to precise does [14:20] well, we have only one set of hooks, and they're meant for $dev->$stable [14:21] feel free to implement apply-as-needed detection for the hooks somehow if you're really bored ^^ [14:24] was there any conclusion to whether we should share a repository with debian for kf5 packaging? [14:24] I think it's worth a try and I saw ScottK said the same [14:25] Riddell: kdesignerplugin ready [14:27] sgclark: up she goes! [14:28] Riddell: E: Unable to locate package libqt5x11extras5-dev [14:31] sgclark: oh so it's probably a change in qt 5.2 which isn't uploaded yet to ubuntu (but is in debian) [14:31] I'll upload kwindowsystem as is [14:31] ok [14:33] sgclark: voila! [14:37] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7044391/ [14:39] apachelogger: where does hasBattery come from here http://paste.kde.org/psxvj5la0 [14:45] sgclark: yeah remove them, no ABI guarantee yet so that's fine for now [14:46] but kwindowsystem just failed on i386 [14:50] ok [14:56] Riddell: kwindowsystem patched for i386 [14:57] shadeslayer: plasma api [14:57] plasma scripting api to be more precise [14:58] apachelogger: and do you know how to connect to a dataengine using plasma scripting? [14:58] oh? [14:58] you cannot I think [14:58] shadeslayer: #plasma [15:00] sgclark: uploaded! [15:00] I believe you're right [15:02] apachelogger: can you do dbus calls? via scripting? :OP [15:03] Riddell: wrt kf5 and debian, I talked a bit with maxy and apachelogger, and IMO it's worth a try, but we need to work out exactly how that's supposed to work before we start [15:05] Riddell: kross is ready [15:08] sgclark: uploaded! [15:09] yofel: if it complex? surely it's just git repos in debian infrastructure with a debian branch and a kubuntu branch [15:11] suuuure, but I would prefer just one branch unless there's stuff that's really not supposed to be in debian.. [15:11] otherwise I don't really see the advantage over them using git and git-bzr [15:26] fooey [15:26] yofel: apachelogger https://launchpadlibrarian.net/168520911/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.libkubuntu_14.04ubuntu3~ubuntu12.04.1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [15:26] cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option '-std=c++11' [15:26] well it's not good to be backported to 12.04 :P [15:26] I can see that :D [15:27] can be patched [15:27] but meh [15:27] clearly you don't support precise users [15:27] why! [15:27] yofel: I think we'll always have two branches as we'll want to upload at different times and there are some legit differences between bits debian wants and bits kubuntu wants [15:27] yofel: but having them in the same repository makes merges so much easier [15:28] git rebase ftw [15:28] (or it will once I learn how to do git merges, reading the book now :) [15:28] Riddell: frameworkintegration ready [15:29] well yeah, git is fun, I'm more worried about how debian will adjust to the workflow as they'll essentially have to merge our changes as we'll be ahead usually. [15:29] Nobody was really interested in that kind of thing for kde sc... [15:30] sgclark: oh? onto tier 4? [15:31] "For all files that I have tested (extensions .mp4, .avi, .mpg) only sound is played. The dialog that offers to install additional codecs is only shown when I close dragon player. If I chose to search for new codecs, a new dialog from qapt is shown but no new codecs are ever found. " [15:31] Riddell: yes :) we should finish today [15:31] phonon gstreamer seems broken [15:31] or maybe qapt-gstreamer [15:32] no, too soon notice, I already have plans :(dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental frameworkintegration_4.97.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa4_source.changes [15:32] hmm, curious mixed paste there [15:32] anyway, uploaded :) [15:33] Riddell: any idea on Dependency wait: libphonon5qt5-dev libphonon5qt5experimental-dev [15:34] :P [15:35] sgclark: libphonon5qt5-dev -> libphonon4qt5-dev I think [15:35] ok [15:35] sane for experimental [15:35] same for experimental [15:36] uhmm [15:36] Riddell: I cannot seem to locate optional * PkgConfig for knotifications [15:37] sgclark: pkg-config it should be [15:37] ty [15:43] Riddell: is there an issue with shipping things like libavbin0 which are in universe on the ISO? [15:45] shadeslayer: no, most everything we ship is in universe [15:45] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/1285729 [15:45] Launchpad bug 1285729 in amarok (Ubuntu) "amarok unable to transcode" [Medium,Confirmed] [15:45] SPACE [15:45] SPAAAAAAAACE [15:45] shadeslayer: ah but is there some stuff with patent restrictions maybe [15:45] yeah [15:46] wouldn't that be in multiverse? [15:46] or restricted [15:46] libavbin itself is not doing anything it's a cli for libav, but libav has sort of patent stuff going on [15:46] also the things that actually make libavbin work are probably huge [15:46] it'd replicate gstreamer to some extent [15:47] fooey [15:47] shadeslayer: no that's only for copyright limited items [15:47] if we put patent restricted items in multiverse everything would be in there [15:47] :D [15:47] shadeslayer: ask someone from the tech board to point towards the decision on libav bits [15:48] but I guess if it's in kubuntu-restricted-extras then we can't ship it [15:53] o_o [15:53] W: tomahawk-dbg: debug-file-with-no-debug-symbols usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtomahawklib.so.0.7.0 [15:57] yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/921946 [15:57] Launchpad bug 921946 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'kmail'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" [High,Confirmed] [15:57] ? [15:58] ::qt-bugs:: [1288800] help in upgrade @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1288800 (by saddamzemmali) [15:58] ah hm [15:58] ubottu: could you follow up? :) [15:58] shadeslayer: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [15:58] argh [15:58] apt-get is a black box to me [15:59] I'll look at it later though [16:00] we have 4 year old bugs lingering in Launchpad @_@ [16:06] Riddell: knotifications ready [16:09] !test [16:09] Testing... Testing... 1. 2.. 3... ( by the way, remember that you can use /join #test ) [16:09] hm [16:09] 4.12.3 ready for saucy in staging [16:09] plz test [16:09] Riddell: ^^ [16:11] shadeslayer: version number should be 4.97.0a for knotifications, that's because upstream released a tar which we uploaded but then updated it before release so we have to find a different version number [16:11] sgclark rather ↑ [16:12] shadeslayer: I'll fire up an ec2 to test [16:12] cool [16:14] Just booted my computer running 14.04 all updated and Akonadi won't start. [16:14] ProcessControl: Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error) [16:14] "akonadiserver" crashed too often and will not be restarted! [16:15] hmm, I did upload an akonadi alpha yesterday [16:15] mfraz74: done a complete dist-upgrade ? [16:15] Riddell: Yes [16:18] so more testing of akonadi needed :( [16:18] Riddell: how do I get it working again? [16:19] Riddell: umm so then we need to update all frameworks the depend on knotifications with the a? [16:20] i wanted to try new muon and libqapt, but due to this bug i am unable to upgrade: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1286415 . are there any other methods to upgrade? [16:20] sgclark: nah, build-dep on >= 4.97.0 is good enough, all that matters is it's higher than 4.96.0 [16:20] Launchpad bug 1280782 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1286415 Unable to upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 - tk8.5-lib fails to upgrade to libtk8.5" [High,Triaged] [16:20] ok [16:20] vgezer: ug, do a new install would be one way [16:21] Riddell: will the installer provide an option to upgrade or will it make a fresh installation? [16:21] vgezer: a fresh install [16:22] sup [16:22] Riddell: ops. thats what actually I wanted :/. thanks anyway :) [16:23] Riddell: Yes, I'm on 1.11.80-0ubuntu1 [16:24] Riddell: knotifications fixed, I am not entirely sure I did it right [16:25] sgclark: yep all good thanks [16:29] Riddell: mind reviewing http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/tomahawk_0.7.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu4.dsc [16:32] Riddell: its a bit out of topic but, some months ago there was a discussion regarding to kubuntu stickers. I also was thinking if Kubuntu 14.04 dvds (printed) could be distributed to some users or not.. I found some companies who do that and one dvd costs around 7 euros. maybe if we could order more, we could get a wholesale price? [16:33] apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/274150 [16:33] Launchpad bug 274150 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "Help functions return error message when help isn't installed" [Wishlist,Triaged] [16:33] shadeslayer: why the split? [16:33] apachelogger: ^^ Maybe something like your kipi installation thing for gwenview could be done? [16:33] Riddell: because apparently tomahawk provides public API that can be used by 3rd party developers [16:33] to develop plugins [16:43] Riddell: errr, I hoped to finish today, but major storm rolling through and my internet is wonky. trying though! [16:45] up the strea [16:45] m [16:46] Riddell: kactivities-kf5 ready [16:46] apachelogger: hm? [16:46] * shadeslayer cleans Quantal packages from staging [16:47] shadeslayer: needs solution upstream [16:53] sgclark: uploaded [16:55] ESOHUNGRY [16:55] Order a pizza? [16:55] I've been having pizza for the last 2 days [16:55] Eat pizza for 3 days [16:55] :P [16:55] hurray, kdepim is now down to 84 open bugs [16:56] Anything I can help with? [16:56] triage bugs [16:56] there be so many bugs [16:56] do we tag our bugs? [16:56] Quintasan: actually, write a script to find all bug reports related to a package, fetch description, check if description contains an EOL release number, generate bug list [16:57] that way you can probably mark a bunch of bugs as EOL easily [16:57] you still have to manually check though [16:57] Quintasan: ones we want to release note tag with kubuntu and milestone to 14.04, otherwise not really [16:57] though maybe with some heuristics ( last comment date for example ) you might be able to automate it [16:58] Riddell: got anything I can do> [16:58] Riddell closing LP #1008967 [16:58] Launchpad bug 1008967 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] plasma-widget-redshift" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008967 [16:58] shadeslayer: did agateau's reivew get reviewed? [16:59] no it didn't https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-cropped-greeter-buttons/+merge/208628 [17:01] apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1282713 [17:01] Error: launchpad bug 1282713 not found [17:01] be reproducible [17:02] or well, it happens to me too [17:04] apachelogger: throw some cards at me plz [17:10] shadeslayer: how do I lunchpad api? [17:10] shadeslayer: 4.12.3 for saucy in staging working good after an upgrade and vnc login [17:10] yus [17:10] 4.12.3 be working here [17:11] Quintasan: https://api.launchpad.net/ [17:11] cool copying over then [17:14] christ [17:14] Python? [17:15] See you in two hours [17:16] heh [17:16] apachelogger: sal script be broken I think [17:17] apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/Rz92oHB.png [17:17] of all the things only systemsettings and dolphin are added [17:18] yep quite broken [17:20] as I suspected, netbook path not in kde4rc [17:26] * shadeslayer waves fist [17:28] hmm [17:28] I managed to log in [17:34] :D [17:37] How bad can this docs get? [17:41] Quintasan: look at the Kubuntu scripts for inspiration [17:46] shadeslayer: Funny how there isn't a simple way to get all bugs assigned to a source package [17:46] there is [17:46] searchBugTasks [17:46] or something [17:46] lol [17:46] nope [17:47] OR [17:47] it's not in the docs [17:48] it is [17:48] getBugData [17:48] >The only criteria currently supported is to search for a bugtask with the specified bug id. [17:48] lel [17:50] Quintasan: https://api.launchpad.net/1.0.html#distribution_source_package [17:50] Quintasan: searchTasks [17:52] weird. [17:52] shadeslayer: Doesn't allow you to search for source package [17:52] you search for bugs from a source package item [17:53] so you go archive -> get all sources subscribed to kubuntu bugs -> for each source find bug tasks [18:04] ubuntu.searchTasks(bug_subscriber=launchpad.people.getByEmail(email="kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com")) [18:04] shadeslayer: Man, this is certainly not easy. [18:04] or maybe I should say [18:04] intuitive. [18:04] brb food [18:05] that query looks weird [18:05] what's ubuntu [18:05] don't say food [18:05] my stomach is growling [18:05] and I'm out of pears [18:06] shadeslayer: well, it's gets all bugs subscribed by Kubuntu Bugs [18:06] strange thing [18:06] but what's ubuntu [18:07] In [56]: ubuntu = launchpad.distributions["ubuntu"] [18:07] Quintasan: also, when triaging, you probably only want to query bugs of one source [18:08] dude, and I'm telling you that source_package has no method allowing you to get the bugs assigned to it [18:08] or I'm retarded [18:09] Quintasan: but https://api.launchpad.net/1.0.html#distribution_source_package lists searchTasks right there! [18:10] bloody hell this is so unintuitive [18:10] and source_package.searchTasks() is there too [18:10] Riddell: kde4support is ready [18:11] yofel: I thought that's what I was saying :P [18:11] shadeslayer: distribution_source_package != source_package [18:11] for whatever reason [18:11] O_O [18:12] Quintasan: as I understand it, searchTasks() simply mimicks the launchpad search - and the default bug listing on he web UI is a search with predefined defaults [18:13] ARGH [18:13] w/e [18:14] * Quintasan tires the hit the damn thing until it works approach [18:14] I usually get timeout errors when I try that ^^ [18:19] apachelogger: ping [18:20] apachelogger: how does pgst call qapt-gst-helper [18:38] shadeslayer, yofel: the thing about source_package.searchTasks() that bugs me is distroseries required argument [18:39] leave it empty? [18:40] wait what [18:40] Quintasan: now, either I'm not seeing it or you're doing something wrong [18:40] yes, a source_package has a distroseries associated to it [18:40] if you don't want that use a distribution_source_package [18:40] yofel: 4.13 beta is directly released? [18:41] shadeslayer: been like that since 4.11 no? [18:41] betas and rc [18:41] I thought you got a day or two [18:41] nope [18:41] hm ok [18:42] yofel: okay, maybe I don't understand it [18:43] how the hell do I get from top-level collection to entry of the type source_package? [18:43] what type's the collection of? [18:44] uh [18:44] wat [18:44] https://api.launchpad.net/1.0.html [18:44] there is distribution.getSourcePackage() [18:44] which gives a distribution_source_package [18:46] yofel: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iBkLBLug5zYF4GQYbO7mXijWTTFZ73dYpFibUbqrrQs/viewform [18:46] thoughts on improvements? [18:46] * yofel doesn't want to run apport-kde... [18:46] yofel: heh, just have a look, and see what can be improved wrt QA [18:47] sure ^^ [18:48] like more questions that can be added to the form [18:48] bluesplash o.O? [18:48] yeah, that thing [18:48] ok, need to try this after all [18:49] :D [18:49] hm.... [18:49] i SIGSEGV nano and nothing happens :S [18:49] so much for the test ^^ [18:49] wait a couple of seconds [18:50] yofel: and do you have /usr/share/apport/apport-kde [18:50] it should still at least make a crash file [18:50] which it didn't [18:50] it should yes [18:50] o_O [18:50] works fine here [18:50] hm, it's not disabled... [18:52] does +filebug still redirect people to the wiki? [18:53] the relevant section on the help page is still there, so you might want to append ?no-redirect to the launchpad url [18:55] shadeslayer: the first PPA test case is junk, that's the default behaviour, but some PPA's (like neon4) have apport config files for PPA package bug reporting [18:55] so if you want to test that, give an example ppa [18:56] kubuntu-backports ! :D [18:56] nice, the cancel button was fixed [18:57] well, the first one [18:57] next one -> "We are sorry, Apport KDE closed unexpectedly." :D [18:57]