[12:28] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:29] <rick_h_> morning, but nothing good
[12:30] <cmaloney> That not good huh?
[12:31] <cmaloney> Realizing one of the "benefits" of sitting by a window at work: getting to see that bright ball of gas in the sky right in my eyeballs
[12:31] <rick_h_> having a wife that can talk in her sleep, or say scream "why aren't you running, they're killing you" several times in the night makes for cranky husband
[12:31] <rick_h_> hah
[12:31] <cmaloney> I'll take it though
[12:31] <rick_h_> you moved to a window seat eh?
[12:31] <rick_h_> very cool
[12:31] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm in the cube that they used to use for storage.
[12:32] <cmaloney> Over where your whiteboard of doom is.
[12:32] <rick_h_> Oh ok, so by window it's a bit away still, not right by the window wall
[12:34] <cmaloney> Yeah.
[12:34] <cmaloney> Will PM you a pic when it finishes uploading
[12:34] <rick_h_> cool
[12:38] <cmaloney> rick_h_: So on the plus side at least Erica is trying to save you and not saying "why don't you die you son-of-a-bitch".
[12:38] <cmaloney> So that's a plus.
[12:38] <cmaloney> s/don't/won't/
[12:41] <rick_h_> lol
[12:51] <rick_h_> and this is why I like rss feeds with cached content. "ooh, interesting article" click it and "page not found"
[12:51] <rick_h_> ooooh, something up there
[12:53] <cmaloney> This is why I use rss2email
[12:54] <cmaloney> Though I'm finding that graphic-heavy RSS feeds (like comics) are a bit of a pain in Mutt.
[12:55] <rick_h_> yea, I love my text but don't think I could do it in mutt
[12:55] <cmaloney> It's not awful
[12:56] <cmaloney> but it does make you realize how much images help walls of text
[12:56] <rick_h_> yea
[12:56] <cmaloney> (or conversely how much images hide a lack of text)
[12:57] <rick_h_> that too
[13:26] <jrwren> so... I looked at tpp and I like it, but another text markup language? ugh. no matter how trivial?  seems like just using Markdown would have made a lot of sense.
[13:26] <jrwren> with a few conventions
[14:11] <cmaloney> I think I'm becoming greg-g
[14:11] <cmaloney> Picked up Cathedral and Kyuss last night.
[14:11] <dzho> this is music I take it
[14:12] <cmaloney> Yep.
[14:12] <cmaloney> Good music.
[14:12] <cmaloney> "Doom metal"
[14:12] <dzho> "pain in the Mutt" haha I see what you did there
[14:13] <cmaloney> No "the" in there, but I'll accept credit. ;)
[14:13] <dzho> oh
[14:13] <dzho> now that you mention it
[14:13] <dzho> that, kids, is what we call "closure"
[14:13] <dzho> ART!
[14:14] <dzho> I've had w3m set in my ~/.mailcap to handle text/html for a while now
[14:14] <dzho> but I just put "auto_view text/html"
[14:14] <dzho> in my .muttrc in the last week or so
[14:14] <cmaloney> Yeah, and that's fine for most mail save for graphics.
[14:14] <dzho> yeah.
[14:15] <dzho> I felt I had to do it because our dept is switching to office 365, and other units have already switched, so I'm seeing a lot more mail with only a text/html part
[14:15] <dzho> and replying to that without auto_view is a problem
[14:15] <dzho> :(
[15:25] <rick_h_> cmaloney: are you planning on submitting a talk for pyohio?
[15:26] <rick_h_> heh, well another bookmark app comes out https://unmark.it/
[15:36] <cmaloney> Was thinking about it but not 100% what I could cover that would be of interest.
[15:36] <cmaloney> rick_h_: ^
[15:38] <brousch> cmaloney: You can cover all of the bugs rick_h_ left you in his legacy code
[15:39] <rick_h_> lol "when the bastard leaves"
[15:39] <widox> rick_h_: odd name choice
[15:39] <widox> oh, its on GH too
[15:39] <widox> heh, free option lets you keep 50 total bookmarks O_o
[15:40] <cmaloney> "Sex, lies, and non-PEP8: the hidden code of rick_h_ "
[15:40] <rick_h_> noooooooooooooo!
[15:40] <brousch> YES
[15:54] <brousch> cmaloney: For when you go cyborg http://phys.org/news/2014-03-robotic-prosthesis-drummer-three-armed-cyborg.html
[16:05] <jrwren> i must admit - getting better at sed makes me feel a bit dirty :)
[16:07] <brousch> jrwren: It has made you more attractive, too
[16:08] <jrwren> I do prefer dirty people to clean people
[16:10] <cmaloney> Nothing wrong with sed. Sometimes it's all you need
[16:19] <jrwren> agree.
[16:19] <jrwren> sometimes it is all you have
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> i'm getting really frustrated by something extremely stupid
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> i'm trying to use sys.stdout.write
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> but i don't want to type out the whole thing
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> how can i import it so that i only have to type write()?
[16:52] <rick_h_> from sys.stdout import write as write
[16:52] <rick_h_> well you don't need the as write
[16:52] <rick_h_> I was thinking of saving it as something else, nvm
[16:52] <mrgoodcat> no module named stdout
[16:53] <mrgoodcat> time to go anyways
[16:53] <jrwren> from sys import stdout ; write=stdout.write
[16:53] <jrwren> stdout is the member of teh sys module. it is a file like object so it has a write member on it.
[16:53] <rick_h_> yea
[17:22] <cmaloney> It's my experience that if you're writing directly to stdout you're overthinking your problem. :)
[17:22] <cmaloney> or you haven't discovered logger. :)
[17:22] <rick_h_> heh
[17:31] <jrwren> really?
[17:31] <jrwren> so you don't printf?
[17:31] <jrwren> or cout <<
[17:31] <jrwren> or echo in your bash scripts?
[17:32] <rick_h_> I typically just print or use logging.
[17:33] <jrwren> i means printf in C, cout in C++
[17:36] <cmaloney> jrwren: I mean Python
[17:38] <cmaloney> Of course I have to use stdout in C and C++. ;)
[17:39] <jrwren> you don't have to.
[17:39] <jrwren> why would C and C++ be any different than python with regard to stdout and logging?
[17:55] <cmaloney> jrwren: I mean I don't have to resort to using sys.stdout to get output. I usually just use print / logging
[17:57] <jrwren> oh!
[17:57] <jrwren> i was confuzled
[17:58] <cmaloney> si. :)
[17:58] <jrwren> nonsequitor: now that i've used RST for a bit, I can totally see why markdown is more popular and won.
[17:59] <cmaloney> what do you like better about markdown over RST?
[17:59] <cmaloney> I find RST is a hair more strict and less finger friendly.
[17:59] <mrgoodcat> i like markdown
[17:59] <mrgoodcat> i don't know rst
[18:00] <rick_h_> I just hate markdown [18:00] <mrgoodcat> the problem i have with print is the newline character at the end. How do I print without the newline character?
[18:00] <rick_h_> the rst way of underlining makes so much more sense to me
[18:00] <rick_h_> why would you not want the newline?
[18:00] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: you can put the [18:00] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: There's a few ways to tackle this
[18:01] <cmaloney> 1: Build a string in memory using sprintf and then output using print
[18:02] <cmaloney> use http://stackoverflow.com/questions/493386/how-to-print-in-python-without-newline-or-space
[18:02] <cmaloney> print('foo'), won't add the newline
[18:02] <cmaloney> (note the change for Python 3
[18:02] <mrgoodcat> but it will print a space
[18:02] <mrgoodcat> i just switched to use python 3 syntax
[18:03] <mrgoodcat> solved my problem
[18:03] <cmaloney> yeah, that's probably the better way.
[18:03] <jrwren> rick_h_: really? you like having to maintain the correct length of [18:03] <rick_h_> jrwren: meh, it makes sense to me
[18:03] <jrwren> MD makes SOOO much more sense here. you don't change anything except the title when you change the title.
[18:03] <cmaloney> jrwren: yypVR
[18:03] <cmaloney> =
[18:03] <jrwren> no
[18:03] <jrwren> assume i'm using sed :p
[18:03] <jrwren> j/k of course
[18:03] <jrwren> but RST is just downright mean wiht its errors and what it accepts.
[18:03] <rick_h_> lol
[18:04] <jrwren> MD is much more friendly IME
[18:04] <rick_h_> make lint meh
[18:04] <cmaloney> Agreed. RST is a bitch with indentation
[18:04] <cmaloney> and lists.
[18:04] <rick_h_> how so?
[18:04] <rick_h_> ::
[18:04] <rick_h_> block
[18:04] <jrwren> and where does that :: go?
[18:04] <cmaloney> lists is what I meant.
[18:04] <rick_h_> on a line
[18:04] <jrwren> it has to be indented perfectly and wiht or without the correct newline before and after.
[18:04] <jrwren> far too strict.
[18:04] <jrwren> MD much more human
[18:05] <jrwren> its must like python
[18:05] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I agree w/ jrwren, and I'm still a fan of RST.
[18:05] <jrwren> (1,2) == (1,2,)
[18:05] <jrwren> this is human.
[18:05] <jrwren> i'm a fan of RST too
[18:05] <jrwren> I simply prefer MD for most tasks.
[18:05] <cmaloney> I've had to do some finagling to get my .rst files to compile properly.
[18:05] <jrwren> if I had complex enough docs, I'd want RST
[18:05] <jrwren> but I don't.
[18:06] <cmaloney> Fuck 'em all. Just use LaTeX. ;)
[18:06] <cmaloney> You had the rest, now use the best.
[18:06] <jrwren> sadly, that is a bit more expensive to parse
[18:06] <cmaloney> a bit? :)
[18:07] <cmaloney> Ruby is a bit expensive to parse
[18:07] <cmaloney> When I write in LaTeX I feel like Donald Knuth is peering over my shoulder with a ruler, waiting to smack my hand for not being correct enough.
[18:08] <cmaloney> If I don't get a warning or two out of my document I wonder if I actually ran the right program.
[18:12] <mrgoodcat> lol
[18:12] <_stink_> hbox overfull
[18:12] <_stink_> hbox overfull
[18:12] <_stink_> hbox overfull
[18:12] <_stink_> is what i get.
[18:41] <jcastro> rick_h_, http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/laptops-for-ubuntu-cant-make-up-my-mind/1541/3?u=jorge
[18:47] <rick_h_> looking
[19:03] <rick_h_> jcastro: replied...and should have sent my book to the copy editor first heh
[20:09] <mathomastech> Got some reasonable success getting arch installed on my Macbook Air (2013). Still having some funky wifi issues. In order to connect to Wifi, I need to run "ip link set dev eth0 down" then "netctl start eth0-<profile>". It then connects to the network, but not the internet. If I put the computer to sleep then wake it back up, it will connect to the internet. Any got any insight as to why it behaves
[20:09] <mathomastech> this way?
[20:10] <rick_h_> not picking up dns by default?
[20:10] <rick_h_> dhcp that is
[20:10] <mathomastech> Doesn't appear to
[20:10] <rick_h_> and a wake up grabs it
[20:10] <rick_h_> check out dhclient
[20:10] <rick_h_> long ago I had to manually run that to pick up dhcp info
[20:10] <mathomastech> Yep. I've reboot my machine and tested it 4 times. It consistantly does the same thing.
[20:13] <mathomastech> Ok, that looks promising. I'll test that out. On a related note, I also finally got dropbox working. The AUR package still is broken but wget it directly from dropbox and manually running the daemon works.
[20:15] <mathomastech> Now I just need to figure out my ruby environment (for jekyll) and my Django setup and I'll finally be up and running on it.
[20:52] <waf> mathomastech: you can make sure your netctl profile has IP=dhcp in it
[20:53] <waf> also maybe look at starting/enabling the dhcpd daemon via systemctl
[21:09] <mrgoodcat> apparently some dumbass forgot to properly set up equipment before plugging it into the WMU network and wiped out all of the campus vlans
[21:20] <jrwren> the fact that your network is vulnerable to an attack like that is the problem.
[21:20] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: how did it happen?
[21:28] <mrgoodcat> not quite sure
[21:28] <mrgoodcat> i'm not there
[21:30] <mrgoodcat> 14:52 <+typo> tl;dr he forgot to set a value in one piece of equipment, plugged it into the network, and wiped all the VLANS on westerns network
[21:35] <jrwren> lol, western.
[21:35] <jrwren> i read WMU as WSU
[21:35] <jrwren> still, if the network was vulnerable to that, that is pretty bad.
[21:35] <jrwren> oh, but a net op did it.
[21:36] <jrwren> so he like set the CDP password or something?
[21:36] <jrwren> does CDP even have a passwrod?
[21:59] <mrgoodcat> i'm not sure what he did exactly
[21:59] <mrgoodcat> i used to work there which is how i know this much
[21:59] <mrgoodcat> but the people i know that still work there aren't being very forthcoming with information
[22:00] <mrgoodcat> i think most people over there still don't know exactly what happened