| ochosi | Unit193: FYI, -power will land today with the xfce4-powerman recommend | 10:12 |
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| elfy | knome: ok - did the new testcases, then I've deleted the original results from LTS tests and then moved them all to real LTS results - so the tracker numbers and bugs are all at least correct | 10:26 |
| elfy | ochosi: thanks :) | 10:26 |
| ochosi | just FYI, i made the icons in whiskermenu for screen-locking and the shutdown-dialog a bit more obvious: http://imagebin.org/297523 | 10:36 |
| knome | elfy, nice :) | 10:47 |
| elfy | that really really annoyed me lol | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: nice | 10:55 |
| bluesabre | gotta go, bbl | 10:55 |
| elfy | bluesabre: cya later - but did you see that paste from me yesterday? | 10:56 |
| bluesabre | elfy, yeah, we even both responded to it | 10:57 |
| elfy | lol ok | 10:57 |
| bluesabre | I'll get that fixed tonight or tomorrow | 10:57 |
| elfy | I'll better look at the scrollback ... sorry | 10:58 |
| elfy | have a good day :) | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | thanks, you too | 10:58 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: as i just closed that workitem for myself, xfdesktop docs are at: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/4.11/start | 11:00 |
| knome | brainwash, updated bug 1155151 | 11:42 |
| ubottu | bug 1155151 in parole (Ubuntu) "Can't play an OGV file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155151 | 11:42 |
| ochosi | knome: xubuntu-artwork was just updated, the latest whiskermenu icon changes aren't in yet (just FYI) | 12:08 |
| ochosi | but at least our plymouth theme should say 14.04 now | 12:08 |
| ochosi | Unit193: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/indicator-power/12.10.6+14.04.20140306-0ubuntu1 | 12:56 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, I won't be able to make the meeting today. I don't know if we still need the agenda item about Settings Manager in Whisker Menu | 13:23 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, if you're okay with how it reads/looks in my latest MP, we can just go with that. Unless you want to open it up at the meeting | 13:24 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, I'll substitute those new whisker icons in the docs once I can get a copy of the png's | 13:25 |
| jjfrv8 | bbl | 13:33 |
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| ochosi | jjfrv8: the original svgs are already on github, if you wanna grab them from there and convert them | 14:06 |
| schproodle | elfy, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1580/results does not seem to correspond the settings program in 14.04 daily | 15:27 |
| starrats | Got a question for all or any of you wonderful developers of 14.04. | 15:48 |
| starrats | When I do my daily updtes and dist-upgrades, are the older ones removed? | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | older whats? | 15:48 |
| starrats | the older update/upgrades | 15:49 |
| ali1234 | mostly | 15:50 |
| ali1234 | not old kernels though | 15:50 |
| starrats | I know the old kernel stays but just other things like the newer ones replace the older ones can't think of an example at the moment, sorry | 15:51 |
| starrats | ah okay thank you | 15:51 |
| neyder_ | hi there! | 18:44 |
| knome | neyder_, hello | 18:45 |
| neyder_ | i have an upgrade deployement fron 12.04 to 14.04 so I want to help testing Xubuntu (bases system to install education packages) | 18:45 |
| knome | talk with elfy; or more briefly, check iso.qa.ubuntu.com | 18:45 |
| neyder_ | ok :D | 18:47 |
| brainwash | knome: can you please close 2 bug reports (won't fix)? | 18:49 |
| brainwash | 1) bug 1173114 | 18:49 |
| ubottu | bug 1173114 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Raring desktop uses Quantal wallpaper by default" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173114 | 18:50 |
| brainwash | 2) bug 998649 | 18:50 |
| ubottu | bug 998649 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "package mythbuntu-default-settings (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/etc/skel/.xscreensaver', which is also in package xubuntu-default-settings 12.04.11" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/998649 | 18:50 |
| brainwash | raring is gone and the 2nd bug has been fixed in the mythbuntu package | 18:51 |
| knome | done | 18:51 |
| brainwash | thank you :) | 18:52 |
| neyder_ | BTW (downloading daily) how can I develop a custom desktop session based in xubuntu? (school personalization with wallpaper and panel in bottom) | 18:57 |
| neyder_ | I do it copying my personalization in /etc/skel | 18:58 |
| knome | #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting | 18:59 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 18:59:49 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 18:59 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 18:59 |
| knome | #topic Open action items from previous meeting | 19:00 |
| knome | #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status | 19:00 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| knome | ali1234, ? | 19:00 |
| knome | #nick ali1234 | 19:00 |
| ali1234 | still waiting for the fixes from tedg | 19:00 |
| knome | okay | 19:00 |
| knome | #action ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues | 19:00 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues | 19:00 |
| knome | #nick micahg | 19:00 |
| knome | #action lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests | 19:01 |
| meetingology | ACTION: lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests | 19:01 |
| knome | lderan, that done? | 19:01 |
| knome | not that i remember seeing it, moving on | 19:01 |
| knome | #action micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches | 19:01 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches | 19:01 |
| knome | #action Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing | 19:01 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing | 19:01 |
| knome | elfy, done? | 19:01 |
| knome | #nick Noskcaj | 19:02 |
| slickymaster | o/ sorry for being late guys | 19:02 |
| knome | #nick lderan | 19:02 |
| knome | slickymaster, you're fine. :) | 19:02 |
| knome | #action pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned | 19:02 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned | 19:02 |
| knome | pleia2, shall we move this to the blueprints? | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | I should be able to get to it this week | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | I bumped it up in priority | 19:02 |
| knome | okay | 19:02 |
| knome | thanks, will keep it in the agenda then | 19:03 |
| knome | #topic Team updates | 19:03 |
| knome | use #info and #action as appropriate please | 19:03 |
| knome | #info knome worked on the flyer, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/Flyers for progress | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | #info got a few more translations of the startubuntu flyer http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/ | 19:03 |
| knome | pleia2, did you catch the finnish one yet? | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | nope | 19:03 |
| knome | let me dig that up | 19:04 |
| knome | http://spreadubuntu.org/fi/material/poster/startubuntu-xubuntu-juliste-a4 | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | great, thanks | 19:04 |
| knome | any other updates? | 19:05 |
| GridCube | :) | 19:05 |
| knome | i know people have been working on this and that, but can't really remember it all | 19:05 |
| knome | okay, let's list them on the next meeting then | 19:06 |
| GridCube | i don't know if we are going to do the desktop features things or not | 19:06 |
| GridCube | i have not made any changes on the deviartart page because i don't know how that will go on | 19:06 |
| knome | let's discuss that soonish | 19:07 |
| GridCube | ok :) | 19:07 |
| knome | #topic Announcements | 19:07 |
| knome | #info UI freeze in a week, Documentation string freeze in two | 19:07 |
| knome | #topic Agenda | 19:08 |
| knome | #subtopic Start the discussion on the technical review for the Strategy Document | 19:08 |
| knome | carrying on | 19:08 |
| knome | #subtopic 12.04 > 14.04 upgrades, removing xscreensaver | 19:08 |
| knome | who added, what do we want to discuss? | 19:08 |
| * GridCube doesnt know | 19:09 | |
| knome | thanks for the insightful comment :P | 19:09 |
| knome | carrying on | 19:09 |
| knome | #subtopic Discuss adding the workspace switcher applet to our new panel layout (Rationale) | 19:09 |
| knome | i have info on this | 19:09 |
| knome | so, based on the feedback on the panel layout, we've decided to do two things: | 19:09 |
| * GridCube does know who added that | 19:09 | |
| knome | #info 1) we will disable the change-workspace-on-scroll by default | 19:10 |
| knome | #info 2) we will make the logout button stand out more in whiskermnu, eg. change it to a "power on/off" icon | 19:10 |
| knome | we feel that these two actions address the feedback and are most in line with the original proposal spirit | 19:11 |
| knome | and should remove the problems/issues mentioned | 19:11 |
| GridCube | :) i agree | 19:11 |
| knome | GridCube, what was the "desktop" question? | 19:12 |
| knome | #topic Other items | 19:12 |
| GridCube | the desktop of the week project we wanted to start | 19:13 |
| knome | ok, so it's coming up | 19:13 |
| knome | i still need to set it up | 19:13 |
| knome | keep on pinging me, i'll do it when i have time | 19:13 |
| GridCube | :) perfect | 19:13 |
| knome | we have basically everything ready for it now | 19:13 |
| knome | but should do the last push | 19:13 |
| GridCube | its not super important | 19:14 |
| knome | and sort out the access-stuff, eg. who changes the desktop weekly | 19:14 |
| knome | #action knome to work on the desktop of the week -stuff | 19:14 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to work on the desktop of the week -stuff | 19:14 |
| knome | oh, related | 19:14 |
| knome | we need new screenshots on the frontpage | 19:14 |
| knome | the screenshot(s) are smaller than the space we have because it's the old screenshot | 19:14 |
| knome | and wordpress doesn't automatically create new sizes of old uploads when the media sizes are changed | 19:15 |
| knome | so is somebody willing to boot up saucy and do a few screenshots? | 19:15 |
| GridCube | i can take screenshot of my vbox using the new wallpapers | 19:15 |
| GridCube | i can have a bunch tomorrow | 19:15 |
| knome | we probably want to advertise those only just before the release | 19:16 |
| knome | so it's good to have them, but at this point, i'd like some default shots from saucy | 19:16 |
| knome | (we don't want people to think trusty is out yet) | 19:16 |
| GridCube | oh | 19:16 |
| GridCube | ok, i dont have any saucy sorry | 19:16 |
| knome | somebody willing to boot up a default saucy and take some screenshots? | 19:17 |
| slickymaster | I'll do it tomorrow knome | 19:17 |
| Noskcaj | xubuntu-artwork 14.04.0 is now in trusty | 19:17 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, Shouls pexpect be a depend or reccomend, i just realised i had never added it to d/control for catfish | 19:18 |
| knome | slickymaster, ok, thanks | 19:18 |
| GridCube | i have to go now | 19:19 |
| GridCube | :) | 19:19 |
| slickymaster | I'll ping later today regarding what specifc screenshots you require | 19:19 |
| slickymaster | or better, of what? | 19:19 |
| knome | slickymaster, just default saucy desktop, shot with thunar and something else open | 19:20 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: looks like it won't start without pexpect | 19:20 |
| knome | and if you want, more | 19:20 |
| slickymaster | okie dokie knome | 19:20 |
| knome | anything else for the meeting? | 19:20 |
| slickymaster | I'll spam your mail :P | 19:20 |
| knome | worksforme | 19:21 |
| knome | #endmeeting | 19:22 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 19:22:36 2014 UTC. | 19:22 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-03-06-18.59.moin.txt | 19:22 |
| knome | thanks. | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | thanks knome | 19:23 |
| knome | hmpf, next meeting next weeks WED | 19:23 |
| knome | to be one day ahead of UIF | 19:23 |
| slickymaster | thanks knome | 19:23 |
| knome | minutes are up | 19:24 |
| ochosi | crap, that was a quick meeting :/ | 19:33 |
| ochosi | thought i'd arrive late, not too late... | 19:33 |
| Noskcaj | Did we have time to discuss any extra 4.11 parts wanted? | 19:38 |
| brainwash | are there any left? | 19:39 |
| ochosi | i think we might want another bugfix release for the indicator-plugin | 19:41 |
| ochosi | hopefully upcoming in one or two weeks | 19:42 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: do you think you could prep another xubuntu-artwork upload early next week? | 19:42 |
| ochosi | i've done some final changes that didn't go into this upload | 19:42 |
| Noskcaj | Just let me know when it's fully ready | 19:42 |
| ochosi | great, thanks | 19:43 |
| slickymaster | bbl -> | 19:43 |
| ochosi | i'll try to take care of shimmer-themes myself | 19:43 |
| ochosi | or find someone to do it | 19:43 |
| ochosi | still need to do a few releases for that this weekend | 19:43 |
| ochosi | then we're UI freeze ready | 19:43 |
| ochosi | from my POV | 19:43 |
| elfy | sorry - missed that completely | 19:49 |
| ochosi | elfy: seems like most did | 20:00 |
| Noskcaj | for better or worse, xfdesktop wins most active bug for 14.04 | 20:05 |
| brainwash | glad that we have apport, otherwise we wouldn't have noticed this bug so early :) | 20:07 |
| brainwash | that reminds me of the users-admin segfault on exit | 20:08 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, You said you were applying for bug control soon. good luck for that. | 20:09 |
| brainwash | thanks, still need to write my application =S | 20:10 |
| ochosi | hah, for a second i thought you were writing an app :) | 20:10 |
| brainwash | wrong wording? | 20:10 |
| ochosi | nah | 20:11 |
| brainwash | oh, and we need to merge the abiword fixes (ruler + crash when saving as pdf) | 20:13 |
| brainwash | now that we got the fixes (svn commits) | 20:14 |
| brainwash | ochosi: just noticed that the nm-applet indicator icon isn't monochrome anymore | 20:17 |
| brainwash | icon theme from PPA | 20:17 |
| ochosi | you have to be a bit more specific | 20:19 |
| ochosi | it's still monochrome here | 20:19 |
| Noskcaj | good work on the xubuntu-artwork icons, the new terminal one is definitely better | 20:22 |
| ochosi | thanks | 20:25 |
| * ochosi tries | 20:25 | |
| ochosi | :) | 20:25 |
| ochosi | brainwash: you have to be a bit more concrete about the nm-applet icon problem, cause i don't see it here | 20:31 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: xfce4-indicator-plugin 2.3.1 has been released, that'd be a bugfix we want | 21:18 |
| Noskcaj | just packaged it then | 21:19 |
| Noskcaj | but i have to go to school now | 21:19 |
| ochosi | k, cya | 21:19 |
| ochosi | and hf @school | 21:19 |
| Rosenholter | I'm new to all this Linux, so i wanna learn how to "code". Any advice? | 21:54 |
| holstein | why not just use the OS a bit? maybe try and work with some bugs.. | 21:54 |
| ochosi | bugfixing is usually a good way to start | 21:54 |
| ochosi | depends on what you wanna work on in general though | 21:55 |
| Rosenholter | bu ti don't got any idea of how to do it? | 21:55 |
| Rosenholter | don't you know a website for a newbie? | 21:56 |
| ochosi | there are tons, again, depends on what you want to work on | 21:56 |
| holstein | Rosenholter: are you using the OS? | 21:56 |
| Rosenholter | i just want to learn how to use it?, i think ..... but im not using it right now?, | 21:57 |
| holstein | Rosenholter: as i suggested, i would start with using the operating system.. then, as i and ochosi suggested, the bug system is a great place to start | 21:58 |
| Rosenholter | holstein: okay, ill boot it up and be right back! | 21:58 |
| brainwash | ochosi: yeah, I'll try to find out why the wired nm icon isn't monochrome anymore | 22:01 |
| brainwash | cannot remember that I've changed anything other than switching back to the daily PPA some days ago | 22:02 |
| ochosi | what does it look like? | 22:02 |
| brainwash | blue arrow up, violet arrow down | 22:02 |
| brainwash | other panel icons look ok | 22:03 |
| ochosi | strange | 22:03 |
| brainwash | booting the system now | 22:03 |
| ochosi | that sounds like it's using a different icon from the theme, specifically that one of the notifications | 22:03 |
| brainwash | I'll test with -dark and normal | 22:04 |
| ochosi | ok | 22:04 |
| Rosenholter | Holstein: Something went wrong... could boot suddently... | 22:08 |
| holstein | Rosenholter: id say sorting out why linux wont boot there will be a great step towards learning it | 22:09 |
| Rosenholter | Holstein: True that! | 22:09 |
| knome | Rosenholter, generally, the "point me to a resource where i can learn X" -idea is not really working, because it all comes down to how you learn the best, and if you have motivation to learn | 22:10 |
| holstein | folks dont typically put youtube vids of there terminal screens up, either | 22:11 |
| holstein | you will find relevant python tutorials.. but, it really all depends | 22:11 |
| Rosenholter | Knome: i got the motivation, i got the freetime... it's just the skill that's leaking. i just need a startpoint | 22:12 |
| holstein | Rosenholter: start by using the OS.. and i dont mean just firing it up for a minute, i mean *use* it | 22:12 |
| Rosenholter | Holstein: i could imagine, there is alot of distro's out there | 22:12 |
| knome | Rosenholter, work on something that scratches your own itch. | 22:12 |
| Rosenholter | I'll see what comes in mind first | 22:13 |
| Rosenholter | thanks for the advice guys! | 22:14 |
| lderan | knome, not yet on the individual mp's want to add a bit to them & tidy them up before hand | 22:29 |
| knome | lderan, ok, np, was just asking if i should keep that action item or not | 22:30 |
| lderan | cool | 22:30 |
| ochosi | lderan: btw have you tested bluesabre's last commits to light-locker-settings yet? | 22:40 |
| lderan | not yet | 22:40 |
| lderan | shall do so now | 22:41 |
| lderan | ochosi, so far it is working okay. | 22:50 |
| ochosi | lderan: great, what did you test so far? | 23:00 |
| lderan | the screen time out | 23:02 |
| lderan | shall test the light locker stuff now | 23:02 |
| lderan | tho seems to be restarting it when i click apply | 23:02 |
| ochosi | the light-locker stuff is essential | 23:03 |
| ochosi | the screen-timeout didn't change | 23:03 |
| lderan | looks to be working alright | 23:05 |
| ochosi | so the light-locker settings get applied without restarting your session? | 23:06 |
| ochosi | can you e.g. activate and de-activate it? | 23:06 |
| lderan | yup, shall continue testing | 23:10 |
| ochosi | ty | 23:10 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: can we get xfce4-appfinder 4.11 in? no ui changes, but some fixes and api related changes under the hood | 23:43 |
| ochosi | guess that'd need a FFe | 23:44 |
| ochosi | (and i'm not sure we want another 4.11 release that hasnt seen any testing) | 23:45 |
| brainwash | it's just the appfinder, people will use the whiskermenu search now anyway :) | 23:46 |
| brainwash | but you are right, the lack of testing is an issue | 23:46 |
| brainwash | even for a small app | 23:47 |
| ochosi | and the argument "it's just the appfinder" works both ways... | 23:47 |
| ochosi | i'd rather get a FFe for lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings | 23:47 |
| ochosi | if you wanna test something, test that | 23:47 |
| brainwash | it fixes bug 1048805 | 23:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1048805 in xfce4-appfinder (Ubuntu) "xfce4-appfinder launches very slowly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048805 | 23:47 |
| ochosi | that at least gives us some extra functionality | 23:47 |
| ochosi | maybe the fix for that could be cherry-picked | 23:48 |
| brainwash | well, it fixes the issue for people who use overlay scrollbars | 23:48 |
| brainwash | nah, not need to cherry pick it | 23:48 |
| brainwash | no | 23:48 |
| brainwash | but it's strange that no one confirmed my findings in the report | 23:49 |
| brainwash | this issue (which also affects some other xfce components) made me stop using the overlay scrollbars :/ | 23:52 |
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