[10:12] <ochosi> Unit193: FYI, -power will land today with the xfce4-powerman recommend
[10:26] <elfy> knome: ok - did the new testcases, then I've deleted the original results from LTS tests and then moved them all to real LTS results - so the tracker numbers and bugs are all at least correct
[10:26] <elfy> ochosi: thanks :)
[10:36] <ochosi> just FYI, i made the icons in whiskermenu for screen-locking and the shutdown-dialog a bit more obvious: http://imagebin.org/297523
[10:47] <knome> elfy, nice :)
[10:54] <elfy> that really really annoyed me lol
[10:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: nice
[10:55] <bluesabre> gotta go, bbl
[10:56] <elfy> bluesabre: cya later - but did you see that paste from me yesterday?
[10:57] <bluesabre> elfy, yeah, we even both responded to it
[10:57] <elfy> lol ok 
[10:57] <bluesabre> I'll get that fixed tonight or tomorrow
[10:58] <elfy> I'll better look at the scrollback ... sorry 
[10:58] <elfy> have a good day :)
[10:58] <bluesabre> thanks, you too
[11:00] <ochosi> jjfrv8: as i just closed that workitem for myself, xfdesktop docs are at: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/4.11/start
[11:42] <knome> brainwash, updated bug 1155151
[12:08] <ochosi> knome: xubuntu-artwork was just updated, the latest whiskermenu icon changes aren't in yet (just FYI)
[12:08] <ochosi> but at least our plymouth theme should say 14.04 now
[12:56] <ochosi> Unit193: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/indicator-power/12.10.6+14.04.20140306-0ubuntu1
[13:23] <jjfrv8> knome, I won't be able to make the meeting today. I don't know if we still need the agenda item about Settings Manager in Whisker Menu
[13:24] <jjfrv8> knome, if you're okay with how it reads/looks in my latest MP, we can just go with that. Unless you want to open it up at the meeting
[13:25] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I'll substitute those new whisker icons in the docs once I can get a copy of the png's
[13:33] <jjfrv8> bbl
[14:06] <ochosi> jjfrv8: the original svgs are already on github, if you wanna grab them from there and convert them
[15:27] <schproodle> elfy, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1580/results does not seem to correspond the settings program in 14.04 daily
[15:48] <starrats> Got a question for all or any of you wonderful developers of 14.04.
[15:48] <starrats> When I do my daily updtes and dist-upgrades, are the older ones removed?
[15:48] <ali1234> older whats?
[15:49] <starrats> the older update/upgrades
[15:50] <ali1234> mostly
[15:50] <ali1234> not old kernels though
[15:51] <starrats> I know the old kernel stays but just other things like the newer ones replace the older ones can't think of an example at the moment, sorry
[15:51] <starrats> ah okay thank you
[18:44] <neyder_> hi there!
[18:45] <knome> neyder_, hello
[18:45] <neyder_> i have an upgrade deployement fron 12.04 to 14.04 so I want to help testing Xubuntu (bases system to install education packages)
[18:45] <knome> talk with elfy; or more briefly, check iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[18:47] <neyder_> ok :D
[18:49] <brainwash> knome: can you please close 2 bug reports (won't fix)?
[18:49] <brainwash> 1) bug 1173114
[18:50] <brainwash> 2) bug 998649
[18:51] <brainwash> raring is gone and the 2nd bug has been fixed in the mythbuntu package
[18:51] <knome> done
[18:52] <brainwash> thank you :)
[18:57] <neyder_> BTW (downloading daily) how can I develop a custom desktop session based in xubuntu? (school personalization with wallpaper and panel in bottom)
[18:58] <neyder_> I do it copying my personalization in /etc/skel
[18:59] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[18:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar  6 18:59:49 2014 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[18:59] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:00] <knome> #topic Open action items from previous meeting
[19:00] <knome> #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status 
[19:00] <meetingology> ACTION: ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status
[19:00] <pleia2> o/
[19:00] <knome> ali1234, ?
[19:00] <knome> #nick ali1234
[19:00] <ali1234> still waiting for the fixes from tedg
[19:00] <knome> okay
[19:00] <knome> #action ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues
[19:00] <meetingology> ACTION: ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues
[19:00] <knome> #nick micahg
[19:01] <knome> #action     lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests 
[19:01] <meetingology> ACTION: lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests
[19:01] <knome> lderan, that done?
[19:01] <knome> not that i remember seeing it, moving on
[19:01] <knome> #action micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches 
[19:01] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches
[19:01] <knome> #action Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing 
[19:01] <meetingology> ACTION: Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing
[19:01] <knome> elfy, done?
[19:02] <knome> #nick Noskcaj
[19:02] <slickymaster> o/ sorry for being late guys
[19:02] <knome> #nick lderan
[19:02] <knome> slickymaster, you're fine. :)
[19:02] <knome> #action     pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned 
[19:02] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned
[19:02] <knome> pleia2, shall we move this to the blueprints?
[19:02] <pleia2> I should be able to get to it this week
[19:02] <pleia2> I bumped it up in priority
[19:02] <knome> okay
[19:03] <knome> thanks, will keep it in the agenda then
[19:03] <knome> #topic Team updates
[19:03] <knome> use #info and #action as appropriate please
[19:03] <knome> #info knome worked on the flyer, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/Flyers for progress
[19:03] <pleia2> #info got a few more translations of the startubuntu flyer http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/
[19:03] <knome> pleia2, did you catch the finnish one yet?
[19:03] <pleia2> nope
[19:04] <knome> let me dig that up
[19:04] <knome> http://spreadubuntu.org/fi/material/poster/startubuntu-xubuntu-juliste-a4
[19:04] <pleia2> great, thanks
[19:05] <knome> any other updates?
[19:05] <GridCube> :)
[19:05] <knome> i know people have been working on this and that, but can't really remember it all
[19:06] <knome> okay, let's list them on the next meeting then
[19:06] <GridCube> i don't know if we are going to do the desktop features things or not
[19:06] <GridCube> i have not made any changes on the deviartart page because i don't know how that will go on
[19:07] <knome> let's discuss that soonish
[19:07] <GridCube> ok :)
[19:07] <knome> #topic Announcements
[19:07] <knome> #info UI freeze in a week, Documentation string freeze in two
[19:08] <knome> #topic Agenda
[19:08] <knome> #subtopic Start the discussion on the technical review for the Strategy Document 
[19:08] <knome> carrying on
[19:08] <knome> #subtopic 12.04 > 14.04 upgrades, removing xscreensaver 
[19:08] <knome> who added, what do we want to discuss?
[19:09]  * GridCube doesnt know
[19:09] <knome> thanks for the insightful comment :P
[19:09] <knome> carrying on
[19:09] <knome> #subtopic Discuss adding the workspace switcher applet to our new panel layout (Rationale)
[19:09] <knome> i have info on this
[19:09] <knome> so, based on the feedback on the panel layout, we've decided to do two things:
[19:09]  * GridCube does know who added that 
[19:10] <knome> #info 1) we will disable the change-workspace-on-scroll by default
[19:10] <knome> #info 2) we will make the logout button stand out more in whiskermnu, eg. change it to a "power on/off" icon
[19:11] <knome> we feel that these two actions address the feedback and are most in line with the original proposal spirit
[19:11] <knome> and should remove the problems/issues mentioned
[19:11] <GridCube> :) i agree
[19:12] <knome> GridCube, what was the "desktop" question?
[19:12] <knome> #topic Other items
[19:13] <GridCube> the desktop of the week project we wanted to start
[19:13] <knome> ok, so it's coming up
[19:13] <knome> i still need to set it up
[19:13] <knome> keep on pinging me, i'll do it when i have time
[19:13] <GridCube> :) perfect
[19:13] <knome> we have basically everything ready for it now
[19:13] <knome> but should do the last push
[19:14] <GridCube> its not super important
[19:14] <knome> and sort out the access-stuff, eg. who changes the desktop weekly
[19:14] <knome> #action knome to work on the desktop of the week -stuff
[19:14] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to work on the desktop of the week -stuff
[19:14] <knome> oh, related
[19:14] <knome> we need new screenshots on the frontpage
[19:14] <knome> the screenshot(s) are smaller than the space we have because it's the old screenshot
[19:15] <knome> and wordpress doesn't automatically create new sizes of old uploads when the media sizes are changed
[19:15] <knome> so is somebody willing to boot up saucy and do a few screenshots?
[19:15] <GridCube> i can take screenshot of my vbox using the new wallpapers
[19:15] <GridCube> i can have a bunch tomorrow 
[19:16] <knome> we probably want to advertise those only just before the release
[19:16] <knome> so it's good to have them, but at this point, i'd like some default shots from saucy
[19:16] <knome> (we don't want people to think trusty is out yet)
[19:16] <GridCube> oh
[19:16] <GridCube> ok, i dont have any saucy sorry
[19:17] <knome> somebody willing to boot up a default saucy and take some screenshots?
[19:17] <slickymaster> I'll do it tomorrow knome 
[19:17] <Noskcaj> xubuntu-artwork 14.04.0 is now in trusty
[19:18] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Shouls pexpect be a depend or reccomend, i just realised i had never added it to d/control for catfish
[19:18] <knome> slickymaster, ok, thanks
[19:19] <GridCube> i have to go now
[19:19] <GridCube> :) 
[19:19] <slickymaster> I'll ping later today regarding what specifc screenshots you require
[19:19] <slickymaster> or better, of what?
[19:20] <knome> slickymaster, just default saucy desktop, shot with thunar and something else open
[19:20] <brainwash> Noskcaj: looks like it won't start without pexpect
[19:20] <knome> and if you want, more
[19:20] <slickymaster> okie dokie knome 
[19:20] <knome> anything else for the meeting?
[19:20] <slickymaster> I'll spam your mail :P
[19:21] <knome> worksforme
[19:22] <knome> #endmeeting
[19:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar  6 19:22:36 2014 UTC.  
[19:22] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-03-06-18.59.moin.txt
[19:22] <knome> thanks.
[19:23] <pleia2> thanks knome 
[19:23] <knome> hmpf, next meeting next weeks WED
[19:23] <knome> to be one day ahead of UIF
[19:23] <slickymaster> thanks knome 
[19:24] <knome> minutes are up
[19:33] <ochosi> crap, that was a quick meeting :/
[19:33] <ochosi> thought i'd arrive late, not too late...
[19:38] <Noskcaj> Did we have time to discuss any extra 4.11 parts wanted?
[19:39] <brainwash> are there any left?
[19:41] <ochosi> i think we might want another bugfix release for the indicator-plugin
[19:42] <ochosi> hopefully upcoming in one or two weeks
[19:42] <ochosi> Noskcaj: do you think you could prep another xubuntu-artwork upload early next week?
[19:42] <ochosi> i've done some final changes that didn't go into this upload
[19:42] <Noskcaj> Just let me know when it's fully ready
[19:43] <ochosi> great, thanks
[19:43] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[19:43] <ochosi> i'll try to take care of shimmer-themes myself
[19:43] <ochosi> or find someone to do it
[19:43] <ochosi> still need to do a few releases for that this weekend
[19:43] <ochosi> then we're UI freeze ready
[19:43] <ochosi> from my POV
[19:49] <elfy> sorry - missed that completely
[20:00] <ochosi> elfy: seems like most did
[20:05] <Noskcaj> for better or worse, xfdesktop wins most active bug for 14.04
[20:07] <brainwash> glad that we have apport, otherwise we wouldn't have noticed this bug so early :)
[20:08] <brainwash> that reminds me of the users-admin segfault on exit
[20:09] <Noskcaj> brainwash, You said you were applying for bug control soon. good luck for that.
[20:10] <brainwash> thanks, still need to write my application =S
[20:10] <ochosi> hah, for a second i thought you were writing an app :)
[20:10] <brainwash> wrong wording?
[20:11] <ochosi> nah
[20:13] <brainwash> oh, and we need to merge the abiword fixes (ruler + crash when saving as pdf)
[20:14] <brainwash> now that we got the fixes (svn commits)
[20:17] <brainwash> ochosi: just noticed that the nm-applet indicator icon isn't monochrome anymore
[20:17] <brainwash> icon theme from PPA
[20:19] <ochosi> you have to be a bit more specific
[20:19] <ochosi> it's still monochrome here
[20:22] <Noskcaj> good work on the xubuntu-artwork icons, the new terminal one is definitely better
[20:25] <ochosi> thanks
[20:25]  * ochosi tries
[20:25] <ochosi> :)
[20:31] <ochosi> brainwash: you have to be a bit more concrete about the nm-applet icon problem, cause i don't see it here
[21:18] <ochosi> Noskcaj: xfce4-indicator-plugin 2.3.1 has been released, that'd be a bugfix we want
[21:19] <Noskcaj> just packaged it then
[21:19] <Noskcaj> but i have to go to school now
[21:19] <ochosi> k, cya
[21:19] <ochosi> and hf @school
[21:54] <Rosenholter> I'm new to all this Linux, so i wanna learn how to "code". Any advice?
[21:54] <holstein> why not just use the OS a bit? maybe try and work with some bugs..
[21:54] <ochosi> bugfixing is usually a good way to start
[21:55] <ochosi> depends on what you wanna work on in general though
[21:55] <Rosenholter> bu ti don't got any idea of how to do it?
[21:56] <Rosenholter> don't you know a website for a newbie?
[21:56] <ochosi> there are tons, again, depends on what you want to work on
[21:56] <holstein> Rosenholter: are you using the OS?
[21:57] <Rosenholter> i just want to learn how to use it?, i think ..... but im not using it right now?,
[21:58] <holstein> Rosenholter: as i suggested, i would start with using the operating system.. then, as i and ochosi suggested, the bug system is a great place to start
[21:58] <Rosenholter> holstein: okay, ill boot it up and be right back!
[22:01] <brainwash> ochosi: yeah, I'll try to find out why the wired nm icon isn't monochrome anymore
[22:02] <brainwash> cannot remember that I've changed anything other than switching back to the daily PPA some days ago
[22:02] <ochosi> what does it look like?
[22:02] <brainwash> blue arrow up, violet arrow down
[22:03] <brainwash> other panel icons look ok
[22:03] <ochosi> strange
[22:03] <brainwash> booting the system now
[22:03] <ochosi> that sounds like it's using a different icon from the theme, specifically that one of the notifications
[22:04] <brainwash> I'll test with -dark and normal
[22:04] <ochosi> ok
[22:08] <Rosenholter> Holstein: Something went wrong... could boot suddently...
[22:09] <holstein> Rosenholter: id say sorting out why linux wont boot there will be a great step towards learning it
[22:09] <Rosenholter> Holstein: True that!
[22:10] <knome> Rosenholter, generally, the "point me to a resource where i can learn X" -idea is not really working, because it all comes down to how you learn the best, and if you have motivation to learn
[22:11] <holstein> folks dont typically put youtube vids of there terminal screens up, either
[22:11] <holstein> you will find relevant python tutorials.. but, it really all depends
[22:12] <Rosenholter> Knome: i got the motivation, i got the freetime... it's just the skill that's leaking. i just need a startpoint
[22:12] <holstein> Rosenholter: start by using the OS.. and i dont mean just firing it up for a minute, i mean *use* it
[22:12] <Rosenholter> Holstein: i could imagine, there is alot of distro's out there
[22:12] <knome> Rosenholter, work on something that scratches your own itch.
[22:13] <Rosenholter> I'll see what comes in mind first 
[22:14] <Rosenholter> thanks for the advice guys!
[22:29] <lderan> knome, not yet on the individual mp's want to add a bit to them & tidy them up before hand
[22:30] <knome> lderan, ok, np, was just asking if i should keep that action item or not
[22:30] <lderan> cool
[22:40] <ochosi> lderan: btw have you tested bluesabre's last commits to light-locker-settings yet?
[22:40] <lderan> not yet
[22:41] <lderan> shall do so now
[22:50] <lderan> ochosi, so far it is working okay.
[23:00] <ochosi> lderan: great, what did you test so far?
[23:02] <lderan> the screen time out
[23:02] <lderan> shall test the light locker stuff now
[23:02] <lderan> tho seems to be restarting it when i click apply
[23:03] <ochosi> the light-locker stuff is essential
[23:03] <ochosi> the screen-timeout didn't change
[23:05] <lderan> looks to be working alright
[23:06] <ochosi> so the light-locker settings get applied without restarting your session?
[23:06] <ochosi> can you e.g. activate and de-activate it?
[23:10] <lderan> yup, shall continue testing
[23:10] <ochosi> ty
[23:43] <brainwash> Noskcaj: can we get xfce4-appfinder 4.11 in? no ui changes, but some fixes and api related changes under the hood
[23:44] <ochosi> guess that'd need a FFe
[23:45] <ochosi> (and i'm not sure we want another 4.11 release that hasnt seen any testing)
[23:46] <brainwash> it's just the appfinder, people will use the whiskermenu search now anyway :)
[23:46] <brainwash> but you are right, the lack of testing is an issue
[23:47] <brainwash> even for a small app
[23:47] <ochosi> and the argument "it's just the appfinder" works both ways...
[23:47] <ochosi> i'd rather get a FFe for lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
[23:47] <ochosi> if you wanna test something, test that
[23:47] <brainwash> it fixes bug 1048805
[23:47] <ochosi> that at least gives us some extra functionality
[23:48] <ochosi> maybe the fix for that could be cherry-picked
[23:48] <brainwash> well, it fixes the issue for people who use overlay scrollbars
[23:48] <brainwash> nah, not need to cherry pick it
[23:48] <brainwash> no
[23:49] <brainwash> but it's strange that no one confirmed my findings in the report
[23:52] <brainwash> this issue (which also affects some other xfce components) made me stop using the overlay scrollbars :/