[10:12] Unit193: FYI, -power will land today with the xfce4-powerman recommend [10:26] knome: ok - did the new testcases, then I've deleted the original results from LTS tests and then moved them all to real LTS results - so the tracker numbers and bugs are all at least correct [10:26] ochosi: thanks :) [10:36] just FYI, i made the icons in whiskermenu for screen-locking and the shutdown-dialog a bit more obvious: http://imagebin.org/297523 [10:47] elfy, nice :) [10:54] that really really annoyed me lol [10:55] ochosi: nice [10:55] gotta go, bbl [10:56] bluesabre: cya later - but did you see that paste from me yesterday? [10:57] elfy, yeah, we even both responded to it [10:57] lol ok [10:57] I'll get that fixed tonight or tomorrow [10:58] I'll better look at the scrollback ... sorry [10:58] have a good day :) [10:58] thanks, you too [11:00] jjfrv8: as i just closed that workitem for myself, xfdesktop docs are at: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/4.11/start [11:42] brainwash, updated bug 1155151 [11:42] bug 1155151 in parole (Ubuntu) "Can't play an OGV file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155151 [12:08] knome: xubuntu-artwork was just updated, the latest whiskermenu icon changes aren't in yet (just FYI) [12:08] but at least our plymouth theme should say 14.04 now [12:56] Unit193: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/indicator-power/12.10.6+14.04.20140306-0ubuntu1 [13:23] knome, I won't be able to make the meeting today. I don't know if we still need the agenda item about Settings Manager in Whisker Menu [13:24] knome, if you're okay with how it reads/looks in my latest MP, we can just go with that. Unless you want to open it up at the meeting [13:25] ochosi, I'll substitute those new whisker icons in the docs once I can get a copy of the png's [13:33] bbl === wickz is now known as minderbinder === minderbinder is now known as wicks [14:06] jjfrv8: the original svgs are already on github, if you wanna grab them from there and convert them [15:27] elfy, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1580/results does not seem to correspond the settings program in 14.04 daily [15:48] Got a question for all or any of you wonderful developers of 14.04. [15:48] When I do my daily updtes and dist-upgrades, are the older ones removed? [15:48] older whats? [15:49] the older update/upgrades [15:50] mostly [15:50] not old kernels though [15:51] I know the old kernel stays but just other things like the newer ones replace the older ones can't think of an example at the moment, sorry [15:51] ah okay thank you [18:44] hi there! [18:45] neyder_, hello [18:45] i have an upgrade deployement fron 12.04 to 14.04 so I want to help testing Xubuntu (bases system to install education packages) [18:45] talk with elfy; or more briefly, check iso.qa.ubuntu.com [18:47] ok :D [18:49] knome: can you please close 2 bug reports (won't fix)? [18:49] 1) bug 1173114 [18:50] bug 1173114 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Raring desktop uses Quantal wallpaper by default" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173114 [18:50] 2) bug 998649 [18:50] bug 998649 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "package mythbuntu-default-settings (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/etc/skel/.xscreensaver', which is also in package xubuntu-default-settings 12.04.11" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/998649 [18:51] raring is gone and the 2nd bug has been fixed in the mythbuntu package [18:51] done [18:52] thank you :) [18:57] BTW (downloading daily) how can I develop a custom desktop session based in xubuntu? (school personalization with wallpaper and panel in bottom) [18:58] I do it copying my personalization in /etc/skel [18:59] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [18:59] Meeting started Thu Mar 6 18:59:49 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:59] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [19:00] #topic Open action items from previous meeting [19:00] #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status [19:00] ACTION: ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status [19:00] o/ [19:00] ali1234, ? [19:00] #nick ali1234 [19:00] still waiting for the fixes from tedg [19:00] okay [19:00] #action ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues [19:00] ACTION: ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues [19:00] #nick micahg [19:01] #action lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests [19:01] ACTION: lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests [19:01] lderan, that done? [19:01] not that i remember seeing it, moving on [19:01] #action micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches [19:01] ACTION: micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches [19:01] #action Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing [19:01] ACTION: Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing [19:01] elfy, done? [19:02] #nick Noskcaj [19:02] o/ sorry for being late guys [19:02] #nick lderan [19:02] slickymaster, you're fine. :) [19:02] #action pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned [19:02] ACTION: pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned [19:02] pleia2, shall we move this to the blueprints? [19:02] I should be able to get to it this week [19:02] I bumped it up in priority [19:02] okay [19:03] thanks, will keep it in the agenda then [19:03] #topic Team updates [19:03] use #info and #action as appropriate please [19:03] #info knome worked on the flyer, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/Flyers for progress [19:03] #info got a few more translations of the startubuntu flyer http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/ [19:03] pleia2, did you catch the finnish one yet? [19:03] nope [19:04] let me dig that up [19:04] http://spreadubuntu.org/fi/material/poster/startubuntu-xubuntu-juliste-a4 [19:04] great, thanks [19:05] any other updates? [19:05] :) [19:05] i know people have been working on this and that, but can't really remember it all [19:06] okay, let's list them on the next meeting then [19:06] i don't know if we are going to do the desktop features things or not [19:06] i have not made any changes on the deviartart page because i don't know how that will go on [19:07] let's discuss that soonish [19:07] ok :) [19:07] #topic Announcements [19:07] #info UI freeze in a week, Documentation string freeze in two [19:08] #topic Agenda [19:08] #subtopic Start the discussion on the technical review for the Strategy Document [19:08] carrying on [19:08] #subtopic 12.04 > 14.04 upgrades, removing xscreensaver [19:08] who added, what do we want to discuss? [19:09] * GridCube doesnt know [19:09] thanks for the insightful comment :P [19:09] carrying on [19:09] #subtopic Discuss adding the workspace switcher applet to our new panel layout (Rationale) [19:09] i have info on this [19:09] so, based on the feedback on the panel layout, we've decided to do two things: [19:09] * GridCube does know who added that [19:10] #info 1) we will disable the change-workspace-on-scroll by default [19:10] #info 2) we will make the logout button stand out more in whiskermnu, eg. change it to a "power on/off" icon [19:11] we feel that these two actions address the feedback and are most in line with the original proposal spirit [19:11] and should remove the problems/issues mentioned [19:11] :) i agree [19:12] GridCube, what was the "desktop" question? [19:12] #topic Other items [19:13] the desktop of the week project we wanted to start [19:13] ok, so it's coming up [19:13] i still need to set it up [19:13] keep on pinging me, i'll do it when i have time [19:13] :) perfect [19:13] we have basically everything ready for it now [19:13] but should do the last push [19:14] its not super important [19:14] and sort out the access-stuff, eg. who changes the desktop weekly [19:14] #action knome to work on the desktop of the week -stuff [19:14] ACTION: knome to work on the desktop of the week -stuff [19:14] oh, related [19:14] we need new screenshots on the frontpage [19:14] the screenshot(s) are smaller than the space we have because it's the old screenshot [19:15] and wordpress doesn't automatically create new sizes of old uploads when the media sizes are changed [19:15] so is somebody willing to boot up saucy and do a few screenshots? [19:15] i can take screenshot of my vbox using the new wallpapers [19:15] i can have a bunch tomorrow [19:16] we probably want to advertise those only just before the release [19:16] so it's good to have them, but at this point, i'd like some default shots from saucy [19:16] (we don't want people to think trusty is out yet) [19:16] oh [19:16] ok, i dont have any saucy sorry [19:17] somebody willing to boot up a default saucy and take some screenshots? [19:17] I'll do it tomorrow knome [19:17] xubuntu-artwork 14.04.0 is now in trusty [19:18] bluesabre, Shouls pexpect be a depend or reccomend, i just realised i had never added it to d/control for catfish [19:18] slickymaster, ok, thanks [19:19] i have to go now [19:19] :) [19:19] I'll ping later today regarding what specifc screenshots you require [19:19] or better, of what? [19:20] slickymaster, just default saucy desktop, shot with thunar and something else open [19:20] Noskcaj: looks like it won't start without pexpect [19:20] and if you want, more [19:20] okie dokie knome [19:20] anything else for the meeting? [19:20] I'll spam your mail :P [19:21] worksforme [19:22] #endmeeting [19:22] Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 19:22:36 2014 UTC. [19:22] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-03-06-18.59.moin.txt [19:22] thanks. [19:23] thanks knome [19:23] hmpf, next meeting next weeks WED [19:23] to be one day ahead of UIF [19:23] thanks knome [19:24] minutes are up [19:33] crap, that was a quick meeting :/ [19:33] thought i'd arrive late, not too late... [19:38] Did we have time to discuss any extra 4.11 parts wanted? [19:39] are there any left? [19:41] i think we might want another bugfix release for the indicator-plugin [19:42] hopefully upcoming in one or two weeks [19:42] Noskcaj: do you think you could prep another xubuntu-artwork upload early next week? [19:42] i've done some final changes that didn't go into this upload [19:42] Just let me know when it's fully ready [19:43] great, thanks [19:43] bbl -> [19:43] i'll try to take care of shimmer-themes myself [19:43] or find someone to do it [19:43] still need to do a few releases for that this weekend [19:43] then we're UI freeze ready [19:43] from my POV [19:49] sorry - missed that completely [20:00] elfy: seems like most did [20:05] for better or worse, xfdesktop wins most active bug for 14.04 [20:07] glad that we have apport, otherwise we wouldn't have noticed this bug so early :) [20:08] that reminds me of the users-admin segfault on exit [20:09] brainwash, You said you were applying for bug control soon. good luck for that. [20:10] thanks, still need to write my application =S [20:10] hah, for a second i thought you were writing an app :) [20:10] wrong wording? [20:11] nah [20:13] oh, and we need to merge the abiword fixes (ruler + crash when saving as pdf) [20:14] now that we got the fixes (svn commits) [20:17] ochosi: just noticed that the nm-applet indicator icon isn't monochrome anymore [20:17] icon theme from PPA [20:19] you have to be a bit more specific [20:19] it's still monochrome here [20:22] good work on the xubuntu-artwork icons, the new terminal one is definitely better [20:25] thanks [20:25] * ochosi tries [20:25] :) [20:31] brainwash: you have to be a bit more concrete about the nm-applet icon problem, cause i don't see it here [21:18] Noskcaj: xfce4-indicator-plugin 2.3.1 has been released, that'd be a bugfix we want [21:19] just packaged it then [21:19] but i have to go to school now [21:19] k, cya [21:19] and hf @school [21:54] I'm new to all this Linux, so i wanna learn how to "code". Any advice? [21:54] why not just use the OS a bit? maybe try and work with some bugs.. [21:54] bugfixing is usually a good way to start [21:55] depends on what you wanna work on in general though [21:55] bu ti don't got any idea of how to do it? [21:56] don't you know a website for a newbie? [21:56] there are tons, again, depends on what you want to work on [21:56] Rosenholter: are you using the OS? [21:57] i just want to learn how to use it?, i think ..... but im not using it right now?, [21:58] Rosenholter: as i suggested, i would start with using the operating system.. then, as i and ochosi suggested, the bug system is a great place to start [21:58] holstein: okay, ill boot it up and be right back! [22:01] ochosi: yeah, I'll try to find out why the wired nm icon isn't monochrome anymore [22:02] cannot remember that I've changed anything other than switching back to the daily PPA some days ago [22:02] what does it look like? [22:02] blue arrow up, violet arrow down [22:03] other panel icons look ok [22:03] strange [22:03] booting the system now [22:03] that sounds like it's using a different icon from the theme, specifically that one of the notifications [22:04] I'll test with -dark and normal [22:04] ok [22:08] Holstein: Something went wrong... could boot suddently... [22:09] Rosenholter: id say sorting out why linux wont boot there will be a great step towards learning it [22:09] Holstein: True that! [22:10] Rosenholter, generally, the "point me to a resource where i can learn X" -idea is not really working, because it all comes down to how you learn the best, and if you have motivation to learn [22:11] folks dont typically put youtube vids of there terminal screens up, either [22:11] you will find relevant python tutorials.. but, it really all depends [22:12] Knome: i got the motivation, i got the freetime... it's just the skill that's leaking. i just need a startpoint [22:12] Rosenholter: start by using the OS.. and i dont mean just firing it up for a minute, i mean *use* it [22:12] Holstein: i could imagine, there is alot of distro's out there [22:12] Rosenholter, work on something that scratches your own itch. [22:13] I'll see what comes in mind first [22:14] thanks for the advice guys! [22:29] knome, not yet on the individual mp's want to add a bit to them & tidy them up before hand [22:30] lderan, ok, np, was just asking if i should keep that action item or not [22:30] cool [22:40] lderan: btw have you tested bluesabre's last commits to light-locker-settings yet? [22:40] not yet [22:41] shall do so now [22:50] ochosi, so far it is working okay. [23:00] lderan: great, what did you test so far? [23:02] the screen time out [23:02] shall test the light locker stuff now [23:02] tho seems to be restarting it when i click apply [23:03] the light-locker stuff is essential [23:03] the screen-timeout didn't change [23:05] looks to be working alright [23:06] so the light-locker settings get applied without restarting your session? [23:06] can you e.g. activate and de-activate it? [23:10] yup, shall continue testing [23:10] ty [23:43] Noskcaj: can we get xfce4-appfinder 4.11 in? no ui changes, but some fixes and api related changes under the hood [23:44] guess that'd need a FFe [23:45] (and i'm not sure we want another 4.11 release that hasnt seen any testing) [23:46] it's just the appfinder, people will use the whiskermenu search now anyway :) [23:46] but you are right, the lack of testing is an issue [23:47] even for a small app [23:47] and the argument "it's just the appfinder" works both ways... [23:47] i'd rather get a FFe for lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings [23:47] if you wanna test something, test that [23:47] it fixes bug 1048805 [23:47] bug 1048805 in xfce4-appfinder (Ubuntu) "xfce4-appfinder launches very slowly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048805 [23:47] that at least gives us some extra functionality [23:48] maybe the fix for that could be cherry-picked [23:48] well, it fixes the issue for people who use overlay scrollbars [23:48] nah, not need to cherry pick it [23:48] no [23:49] but it's strange that no one confirmed my findings in the report [23:52] this issue (which also affects some other xfce components) made me stop using the overlay scrollbars :/