[05:11] <ronnoc> apachelogger: re: kde bug 331419:
[05:11] <ronnoc> I think it is worth asking here if Muon Discover should even be capable of a system update? After all, there is Muon Updater specifically for that purpose, and Muon Package Manager can handle this task as well...
[05:12] <ronnoc> OTOH if we compare MD to, say, Android Play Store, the Play store will show a list of apps that can be updated along with a summary of changes. Perhaps MD could have a separate tab showing packages that can (and in theory should) be upgraded, along with a button to refresh the cache and do so. But this probably shouldn't be part of the main Discover UI <tab?>. 
[05:12] <ronnoc> thoughts?
[05:18] <ronnoc> BTW this functionality would also potentially take care of Bug 331101 as well :)
[07:12] <soee> good morning
[07:27] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj: 
[09:06] <apachelogger> jussi: was it you who was complaining about libreoffice deadlocking? or was it crashing?
[09:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:41] <santa_> hi
[10:42] <santa_> do you have any packaging of kf5 (excluding project neon)?
[10:44] <Riddell> sure, in experimental
[10:44] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages
[10:44] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.97.0_trusty.html
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:59] <santa_> thank you very much Ridell
[12:16] <cortexA9> hello
[12:18] <Riddell> morning cortexA9 
[12:18] <cortexA9> Riddell: hey
[12:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does scripty pick up all desktop files in the source code for translation
[12:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or do I have to add some special key to the desktop file
[12:21] <apachelogger> desktop files are always i18n'd AFAIK
[12:21] <apachelogger> tsdgeos would know for sure
[12:21] <cortexA9> it's available kde 4.13?
[12:22] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: all desktop files are i18n in the fields that we i18n
[12:22] <soee> Riddell: its beta version that was just release ?
[12:22] <soee> *4.13
[12:22] <cortexA9> yes
[12:22] <cortexA9> but i don't think
[12:22] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: apachelogger well, wierdly the lightdm theme desktop files are not
[12:22] <cortexA9> it's available
[12:23] <cortexA9> for kubuntu i mean
[12:23] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: proof?
[12:23] <soee> cortexA9: it is in experimental as Riddellsaid from wht i see
[12:23] <cortexA9> oh ok soee 
[12:25] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/lightdm/repository/revisions/master/entry/themes/classic/metadata.desktop
[12:26] <Riddell> soee: cortexA9: there's no 4.13 release yet
[12:27] <cortexA9> http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.13-beta1.php
[12:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's not the correct branch
[12:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, it exists in 0.3 but not in master, so I'm curious
[12:32] <shadeslayer> since the string is the same
[12:32] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/playground-base/desktop_playground-base_lightdm.pot?revision=1366190&view=markup
[12:32] <apachelogger> that is exporting from 0.3, not master
[12:33] <apachelogger> the project's i18n trunk branch is set to 0.3, not master, that's why master does not get translations into the desktop file
[12:33] <apachelogger> all expected
[12:33] <shadeslayer> ah I see
[12:33] <apachelogger> <branch i18n="trunk">v0.3</branch>
[12:34] <apachelogger> from https://projects.kde.org/kde_projects.xml
[12:39] <jussi> apachelogger: crashing. because of the kde integration. removed it and now no issues.
[12:39] <apachelogger> fancy
[12:39] <apachelogger> I sure hope you reported a bug :O
[12:40] <seaLne> apachelogger: is dragon (prosumably phonon?) ment to not be able to play h.264 in trusty? (upgraded from saucy)
[12:40] <shadeslayer> seaLne: known issue
[12:40] <shadeslayer> I'm investigating today
[12:40] <seaLne> ah ok
[12:40] <apachelogger> stupid gstreamer
[12:40] <apachelogger> we should just use vlc :P
[12:41] <shadeslayer> as you would say
[12:41] <shadeslayer> SPAACCEEEEEE
[12:41] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[12:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maybe we can now
[12:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, we probably can
[12:42] <apachelogger> yeah, not past feature freeze really
[12:42] <shadeslayer> because no rekonq = no qtwebkit = no gst
[12:42]  * shadeslayer waves fist at xgettext not extracting strings locall
[12:42] <shadeslayer> *locally
[12:42] <apachelogger> that would require fiddling with the vlc packaging to get some questionable libav parts out
[12:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: KUBUNTU_L10N_NO_DESKTOP=1 KUBUNTU_L10N_FORCE_RUN=1 dh_kubuntu_l10n_generate
[12:43] <shadeslayer> yay
[12:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://commits.kde.org/lightdm/cd8831751d98e7c7042c79941fd5862fba0d3636
[12:48] <shadeslayer> fixed the "Guest" issue
[12:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you run that by d_ed? :P
[12:48] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:49] <apachelogger> ok
[12:49]  * d_ed confirms
[12:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please email kde-i18n-doc to inform them of the new pot needing translations
[12:50] <santa_> wrt the plasma sytemtray stuff discussed in packagers ... how you make sure sni-qt is installed?
[12:51] <Riddell> morning sgclark 
[12:51] <sgclark> Riddell: morning :)
[12:52] <apachelogger> santa_: pulled in by a meta package I guess
[12:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: done
[12:53] <yofel_> whee, I still have a hibernate button
[12:53] <shadeslayer> "Your message to kde-i18n-doc awaits moderator approval"
[12:53] <apachelogger> those moderators
[12:54] <apachelogger> yofel: it's a bug 
[12:54] <yofel> $ qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate
[12:54] <yofel> true
[12:54] <yofel> uhm, no
[12:54]  * apachelogger wonders why his quassel speaks german
[12:54] <apachelogger> oh it's the eglibc LANGUAGE bug
[12:54] <yofel> apachelogger: where?
[12:54] <apachelogger> silliest bug ever
[12:55] <apachelogger> yofel: no clue, shadeslayer might know
[12:55] <apachelogger> upower/logind though I presume
[12:55] <yofel> upower is correct, dbus is not - so logind maybe
[12:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: actually no, it's the bug where the lang is set in a qt config file
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there is no qt config for langauge
[12:56] <apachelogger> it's system langauge with LANGUAGE=en:foo, where eglibc has a race and picks foo for whatever reason
[13:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we still need to expand the workspace test case a bit btw
[13:02] <apachelogger> currently only tests wallpapers
[13:05] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/eraSkldV
[13:05]  * apachelogger is terribly uncreative today -.-
[13:09]  * yofel added activity testing to that
[13:12] <apachelogger> because there's like 3 users who use activities :P
[13:14] <Riddell> upstream still gives a broken activity by default :(
[13:14] <apachelogger> ronnoc: discover was not supposed to be used for updates just yet, that was an oversight that has been reverted in git already. the long term plan however certainly is to use discover as primary update UI just like all the other store applications tend to have application updates built in
[13:15] <soee> uh oh im using activities 
[13:15] <apachelogger> currently it is not quite ready for primetime though as features are missing and the update view is in general not very informative
[13:15] <soee> whats the problem :)
[13:16] <apachelogger> ronnoc: whether or not discover updates will be ready in time for 14.04 I cannot say, but bug reports about issues or possible improvments to what we have right now would certainly be welcome
[13:19] <apachelogger> Bug 1289042
[13:19] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer: thoughts?
[13:47]  * Riddell runs kubuntu-initial-upload on 4.12.80
[13:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: "This doesn't introduce any new strings, just a new pot file that was previously not being exported." <- from a translator's pov that introduces new strings :P
[13:51] <soee> Riddell: 4.13 beta ?
[13:51] <sgclark> Riddell: plasma-framework has an optional depend on ktexteditor that from what I can see does not exist?
[13:53] <Riddell> sgclark: right I think ktexteditor isn't released yet so just ignore for now
[13:53] <sgclark> ok
[13:53] <Riddell> soee: alpha
[13:56] <soee> hmm, why alpha ehn thers beta already ?
[13:57] <Riddell> is there?
[13:57] <Riddell> oh ok they're going straight to beta
[13:57] <Riddell> then yes it's the beta
[13:57] <soee> http://dot.kde.org/2014/03/06/kde-ships-first-beta-applications-and-platform-413
[13:58] <Riddell> seems packagers have been kept in the dark about this release :(
[13:58] <soee> :)
[14:00]  * apachelogger feels the need to again point out that 4.13 != KF5, therefore frameworks have nothing to do with the 4.13 beta
[14:01] <soee> yup ;)
[14:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: also, see mail thread "www/sites/www"
[14:01] <apachelogger> I guess there's better ways than svn cc's but oh well ^^
[14:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes that's all we got it seems
[14:03]  * apachelogger ponders doing some phonon releases
[14:06] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploading 4.12.80?
[14:08] <yofel> apachelogger: thoughts on what? the bug would be an overwrite error
[14:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep
[14:09] <apachelogger> yofel: yes, but why and how and who and do we fix it and waaaah
[14:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: already uploaded? or should I clean out ninjas first
[14:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: still working on it locally, yes go and clean it out
[14:14] <sgclark> Riddell: plasma-framework ready
[14:17] <Riddell> sgclark: newline added at end of debian/libkf5plasma5.install for tidyness
[14:17] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[14:17] <Riddell> sgclark: what's left?
[14:18] <Riddell> sgclark: frameworkintegration could do with pkg-config
[14:18] <Riddell> sgclark: kcodecs could do with being changed to dhmk
[14:18] <Riddell> and the status script could do with knowing about not-installed
[14:19] <Riddell> yofel, shadeslayer: does it really not do that already? ↑
[14:19] <shadeslayer> it does
[14:19] <Riddell> kfileaudiopreview khtml need phonon fixes, I think my script broke those
[14:19] <sgclark> ok
[14:19] <yofel> it does if dhmk is used
[14:19] <apachelogger> fwiw, the status script has spooky code
[14:19] <yofel> it needs a [14:21] <Riddell> I wonder if it needs the ./ at the start of the filename
[14:21]  * Riddell tests with kconfigwidgets
[14:21] <yofel> not-installed needs a ./ at the start I believe
[14:24] <sgclark> Riddell: frameworkintegration ready
[14:27] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[14:32] <sgclark> Riddell: kfileaudiopreview ready
[14:35]  * manchicken is Kubuntu-branded
[14:37] <shadeslayer> we have a brand? 
[14:37] <shadeslayer> who knew ...
[14:38] <manchicken> I got my polo shirt.
[14:38] <jussi> shadeslayer: apparently some dude is selling shirtd
[14:38] <manchicken> Yeah, who would sell shirts?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> mental
[14:38] <manchicken> I'm still trying to get my employer to let me switch from a Mac to a kubuntu box.
[14:38] <jussi> I say we fire him :P 
[14:39] <manchicken> heh
[14:39] <manchicken> Just dock his pay
[14:40] <apachelogger> proceeds -> apachelogger's pocket -> vacation 
[14:40] <shadeslayer> +for shadeslayer
[14:40] <shadeslayer> yay
[14:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: libkubuntu requires a recent libqapt
[14:40] <shadeslayer> so unless I backport libqapt ...
[14:40] <jussi> what proceeds... *cough* :P
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: backport to where?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> le precise
[14:41] <apachelogger> [16:26:48] <apachelogger> well it's not good to be backported to 12.04 :P
[14:41] <shadeslayer> and then you said it could be backported with a patch
[14:42] <shadeslayer> plasma_wallpaper_mandelbrot.so
[14:42] <shadeslayer> er
[14:42] <shadeslayer> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/168375324/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-ppc64el.kdeplasma-addons_4%3A4.12.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:42] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[14:42] <apachelogger> whoopwhooop
[14:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: le question: didn't you say app-install-data picks up hidden stuff?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[14:43] <shadeslayer> see readme
[14:43] <apachelogger> the readme?
[14:43] <apachelogger> you mean the readme that talks about whores?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> there's a readme in app-install-data IIRC
[14:44] <shadeslayer> there's a readme that talks about whores?
[14:44] <apachelogger> Application Install Tool for Whore^WHoary Hedgehog
[14:44] <apachelogger> most reliably readme in all of ubuntu
[14:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ah, ok
[14:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kde-developer-sdk desktop entry needs Hidden=true
[14:45] <shadeslayer> oooohhh cc1plus: out of memory allocating 3355443200 bytes after a total of 487424 bytes
[14:45] <Riddell> sgclark: yay kconfigwidgets did get fixed, so for those ones which complain about missing files add the ./ at the start of the entry in not-installed
[14:45] <shadeslayer> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/168367182/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.poxml_4%3A4.12.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: y u no upload kwallet-manager? :(
[14:48] <apachelogger> from where to when to what
[14:48] <apachelogger> :'<
[14:49] <shadeslayer> sigh
[14:49] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[14:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you fixing kde-developer-sdk?
[14:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nevermind, I'll do it :P
[14:56] <apachelogger>   Uploading meta-kde_78ubuntu13_source.changes: done.
[14:56] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages
[14:56] <apachelogger> also colord should next be picked up by app-install-data
[14:56] <apachelogger>   Uploading colord-kde_0.3.0-0ubuntu3_source.changes: done.
[14:56] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[14:56] <shadeslayer> hurray for fake desktop files
[14:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: "next app-install-data" hahaha
[14:56] <shadeslayer> so in 14.10?
[14:56] <apachelogger> no, whenever it is being rerolled
[14:57] <shadeslayer> I emailed mvo 3 days ago to update app-install-data, no reply yet :P
[14:57] <shadeslayer> and the one in trusty is super old
[14:57] <shadeslayer> Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:52:26 +0200
[14:57] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Riddell suggested that mvo might not be working on ubuntu anymore
[14:57] <shadeslayer> then that's a problem
[14:58] <shadeslayer> since apparently the tar is rolled on his account
[14:58] <shadeslayer> on rookery.canonical.com
[14:58] <shadeslayer> maybe need to poke cj
[14:59] <shadeslayer> ./update-menu-data.sh:    wget -c http://rookery.canonical.com/~mvo/gnome-app-install/$MENU
[14:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: xnox might be able to help ^^
[14:59] <shadeslayer> xnox: ^^ halp
[15:02] <soee> hm i have notification: Language support is incomlete, additional packages are required
[15:02] <soee> how can i know what packages ?
[15:02] <apachelogger> soee: you cannot
[15:02] <apachelogger> it's an exciting design flaw
[15:03] <soee> oh thers installer shortcut in systray
[15:03] <apachelogger> not mine though
[15:03] <apachelogger> qapt-batch-installer is shitt
[15:03] <shadeslayer> soee: apachelogger is sadistic
[15:03] <soee> :D
[15:03] <shadeslayer> he finds pleasure in not telling users what packages are required
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kwalletmanager_4.12.3-0ubuntu1.dsc
[15:03] <apachelogger> the systray thing is also not my fault btw
[15:03] <apachelogger> that's a plasma notification paradigm
[15:03] <apachelogger> if a tray icon issues a notification the notification cannot have actions
[15:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why is that not in bzr etc?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> it is!
[15:04] <apachelogger> why do you give me a dsc then?
[15:04] <apachelogger> you are being silly
[15:04] <shadeslayer> cuz you're being lazy
[15:04] <shadeslayer> in uploading kwalletmanager
[15:05] <apachelogger> I don't get it
[15:05] <apachelogger> that versin is already tagged in bzr
[15:05] <apachelogger> so it is released
[15:05] <apachelogger> someone committed workflow fraud!
[15:05] <apachelogger> outragous
[15:05] <shadeslayer> it is not, it was tagged because I ran the script with kwalletmanager and it uploaded the tags
[15:05] <shadeslayer> but since its source new ....
[15:06] <soee> oh lord, nvidia-prime upgrade + 331 drivers and again its broken :M
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can't everyone upload source new?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> no :(
[15:06] <apachelogger> and wait what
[15:06] <shadeslayer> that would mean chaos in the queu
[15:06] <apachelogger> why is 4.12.3 source new?
[15:06] <apachelogger> what?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kwallet git repo got renamed 
[15:07] <shadeslayer> to kwalletmanager
[15:07] <shadeslayer> binary is same
[15:07] <apachelogger> ......................................................................................
[15:07] <apachelogger> I sure hope someone screamed at upstream for that
[15:07] <shadeslayer> upstream annouced it eons ago
[15:07] <shadeslayer> no one raised a finger
[15:07] <apachelogger> that they would rename the source in a stable release?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:08] <shadeslayer> "Repository rename and consequences"
[15:09] <apachelogger> fancy
[15:09] <apachelogger> apparently that's ok nowadays
[15:09] <shadeslayer> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-utils-devel&m=139181042015838&w=1
[15:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: apparently
[15:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: leaving us with your workflow fraud
[15:09] <shadeslayer> I missed the thread somehow
[15:10] <apachelogger> untag -> force push
[15:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 403 Forbidden
[15:10] <shadeslayer> whaaattt
[15:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 403 Forbidden
[15:11] <shadeslayer> why can't you just upload the dsc ? :(
[15:11] <apachelogger> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 403 Forbidden
[15:11] <apachelogger> dget: curl kwalletmanager_4.12.3-0ubuntu1.dsc http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kwalletmanager_4.12.3-0ubuntu1.dsc failed
[15:11] <shadeslayer> o_o
[15:11]  * ahoneybun_ thinks the last that the new site needs is to port the posts from the old site (maybe)
[15:12] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_: maybe? lol? :P
[15:12] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_, Riddell: I think the new site server needs to have a stress test conducted btw
[15:13] <apachelogger> ask canonical-sysadmin for metrics on peak access and then spawn a bunch of amazon cloud thingies to hammer the server
[15:13] <ahoneybun_> does posting all the old posts make sense?
[15:13] <apachelogger> it might well be possible that we need a CDN
[15:13] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_: previous URLs must remain valid
[15:14] <apachelogger> how that is achieved I do not care about, but supposedly moving the posts into wordpress is the easiest and/or most consistent way
[15:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try now
[15:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: worx now
[15:15] <shadeslayer> yay
[15:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: apply for motu plz
[15:15] <apachelogger>   Uploading kwalletmanager_4.12.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[15:15] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[15:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ source new
[15:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fooey
[15:16] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:16] <shadeslayer> first thing next month
[15:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so, libkubuntu , thoughts on dropping that as a dep from kde-runtime in precise
[15:16] <shadeslayer> what would be the impact?
[15:16] <apachelogger> no ad-hoc language pack install
[15:17] <apachelogger> !info lanaguage-selector-qt precise
[15:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: accepted!
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yay
[15:17]  * apachelogger can't type
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might want to remove kwallet 
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: just the source
[15:18] <apachelogger> language-selector-kde	0.79.4
[15:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: drop it and the integration patch
[15:18] <apachelogger> 12.04 used language-selector-kde still
[15:18] <shadeslayer> kubuntu_langpack_install.diff is not DEP-3'd
[15:18] <apachelogger> so the package integration in the kcm is only additional sugar
[15:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because it's a continious git export
[15:19] <apachelogger> if you'd prefer it could be a git patch set of 15 files (right now) :P
[15:19] <shadeslayer> uhh, fun ...
[15:20] <apachelogger> it's a very special patch because it is supposed to go upstream for 2 years :P
[15:20] <shadeslayer> /o\
[15:20] <sgclark> Riddell: kcodecs ready
[15:20] <Riddell> a sea of blue http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.80_trusty.html
[15:20] <apachelogger> must get done for plasma next tho, since we don't have klocale in kf5 anymore, which means locale settings is almost exclusively drawn from syslocale variables
[15:21] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[15:25] <soee> any idea how this can be fixed http://pastebin.com/RV2mjBsH ?
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did I tell you about the QA cards yet?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the QA boards have a load of cards that need doing :P
[15:36] <shadeslayer> why do we have gstreamer1.0 on the ISO
[15:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yay -.-
[15:36] <apachelogger> libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer
[15:39] <Riddell> you could also ask why doesn't phonon have a gstreamer 1.0 backend yet..
[15:41] <apachelogger> because gstreamer is crap
[15:42] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:42] <apachelogger> also because shadeslayer didn't finish his port
[15:42] <apachelogger> yes, ultimately we can all blame shadeslayer
[15:43] <Riddell> did you have someone else working on it?
[15:45] <apachelogger> yes, alas busy with other things
[15:45] <apachelogger> plus he thinks technically the port is pretty much done, needs testing tho
[15:45] <shadeslayer> dvratil?
[15:45] <shadeslayer> I can poke him when he comes for the pim sprint
[15:45] <shadeslayer> or you know, get him sufficiently drunk
[15:46] <shadeslayer> ( which would require copious amounts of beer )
[15:47] <BluesKaj> the 12 step beer program
[15:47] <apachelogger> beer is cheap afiestas said
[15:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: in the czech republic, sure
[15:49] <apachelogger> I was wondering what he was talking about, I did not see any beer :P
[15:49] <sgclark> Riddell: kde4support ready
[15:50] <BluesKaj> for Alcoholics Unanimous
[15:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so qapt gst stuff works fine in alpha 2
[15:50] <shadeslayer> and I upgraded all the gst packages and it still kept working
[15:50] <shadeslayer> so something else is going wrong
[15:54] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[15:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does not compute
[15:56] <apachelogger> I can totally reproduce the bug
[15:56] <sgclark> Riddell: I have tried several gpgme packages and none can seem to resolve GpgmeConfig.cmake in kwallet-kf5
[15:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: on Alpha 1
[15:57] <shadeslayer> s/1/2/
[15:57] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "apachelogger: on Alpha 2"
[15:57] <apachelogger> on up-to-date trusty
[15:57] <shadeslayer> right, but not on alpha 2
[15:57] <shadeslayer> alpha 2 works as expected
[15:57] <shadeslayer> alpha 2 + selective gstreamer updates also works
[15:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: qapt broke it maybe
[15:59] <apachelogger> namely: I removed a nested eventloop invocation
[15:59] <apachelogger> that may or may not have this side effect
[15:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh, maybe
[15:59] <apachelogger> though it'd be odd because it would never get to excute the qprocess then
[16:01] <Riddell> sgclark: indeed we have none http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=GpgmeConfig.cmake&mode=exactfilename&suite=trusty&arch=any
[16:01] <Riddell> sgclark: so put it on the todo list for further investigation
[16:01] <shadeslayer> I didn't upgrade qapt, so trying that now
[16:01] <sgclark> riddell: ok
[16:01]  * ahoneybun_ just found about tasksel
[16:02] <apachelogger> pgst debug output is also very crappy
[16:02] <apachelogger> still not as bad as qapt xD
[16:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw seen this new thing where you can specify if libraries are privately and publically linked?
[16:05] <shadeslayer> in cmake
[16:05] <shadeslayer> http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/v2.8.8/cmake.html < The LINK_PUBLIC and LINK_PRIVATE modes can be used to specify both the link dependencies and the link interface in one command. Libraries and targets following LINK_PUBLIC are linked to, and are made part of the LINK_INTERFACE_LIBRARIES. Libraries and targets following LINK_PRIVATE are linked to, but are not made part of the LINK_INTERFACE_LIBRARIES. 
[16:05] <apachelogger> tldr
[16:05] <shadeslayer> tl;dr you can manipulate LINK_INTERFACE_LIBRARIES
[16:05] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7050688/
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: to me it looks more like a gstreamer thing
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: or maybe phonon
[16:06] <apachelogger> check if phonon 4.7 is in alpha2
[16:06] <apachelogger> the checkinstalledplugins thing is called before adding the missing plugin and then only again when dragon is doing the teardown
[16:09] <shadeslayer> libphonon4:amd64	4:4.7.0.0-2ubuntu3
[16:09] <apachelogger> that's why the window comes up on close ... it triggers checkedinstallplugins again which then goes, oh, we have a missing plugin, must install
[16:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think we are at .1
[16:09] <shadeslayer> ohm
[16:09] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so phonon bug then?
[16:09] <tester56> 4.13 b1 released :-), yay! 
[16:09] <tester56> Where can I find the build states as soon as you start packaging? 
[16:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I dunno!
[16:10] <apachelogger> if I knew I'd have fixed it already, wouldn't I  :P
[16:10] <apachelogger> I can pretty much tell you that it is not phonon-gstreamer though
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I don't see kde4libs in the qa output btw 0.o
[16:10] <apachelogger> just built the .0 tag, still shows the issue
[16:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I can say that too :P
[16:10] <Riddell> tester56: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.80_trusty.html
[16:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which qa output?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> the one you just posted  :)
[16:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I see it there
[16:11] <tester56> Riddell: thanks!
[16:11] <Riddell> just below kde-wallpapers
[16:11] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:11]  * Riddell out for a bit
[16:12] <tester56> will baloo be its own package?
[16:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: install debug symbols
[16:13] <apachelogger> break on Phonon::Gstreamer::PluginInstaller::run
[16:13] <apachelogger> check what call chain leads there
[16:13] <shadeslayer> on a live session? :O
[16:13] <shadeslayer> you so crazy
[16:13] <shadeslayer> tester56: yep
[16:14] <shadeslayer> tester56: I don't how else it would  work
[16:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: install lol?
[16:14] <apachelogger> wtf
[16:14] <tester56> shadesplayer: you could have chosen a different name, because I could not find baloo in http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.80_trusty.html
[16:14] <apachelogger> who the hell debugs on a live sesison
[16:14] <shadeslayer> tester56: not packaged yet
[16:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah yeah, I was merely checking out if alpha 2 worked
[16:15] <shadeslayer> and it does
[16:16] <tester56> shadeslayer: but kdepim is already in the build chain. Doesn't it require compiling against baloo?
[16:16] <shadeslayer> tester56: yep and it'll fail
[16:17] <tester56> oh okay :D, stupid question: why does it build then?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> it doesn't?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/5669138
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Dependency wait: kdepimlibs5-dev >= 4:4.12.80 nepomuk-core-dev >= 4:4.12.80 libnepomukwidgets-dev >= 4:4.12.80 libkactivities-dev >= 4:4.12.80 
[16:18] <tester56> shadeslayer: you said it will fail, so I suppose you plan to build it without baloo, or it is already in the process to do so ...
[16:19] <tester56> shadeslayer: oh nevermind :D
[16:19] <ahoneybun_> tasksel is nice
[16:20] <shadeslayer> if only you could do tasksel install magic
[16:20] <sgclark> Riddell: kded ready
[16:20] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, I still think gstreamer is at fault
[16:21] <apachelogger> somehow it doesn't make a call that it is supposed to make
[16:21] <apachelogger> or rather, it doesn't send the message on the bus in time, so maybe pgst is also slightly to blame because it's implementation is timing dependent (which is also not very sane)
[16:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: except gst0.10 hasn't changed between alpha 2 and beta 1
[16:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: mabe you are lying and it is a problem on alpha2 :P
[16:22] <shadeslayer> it most certainly is not a problem
[16:23] <apachelogger> make a video plz
[16:23] <apachelogger> and get that backtrace going
[16:23] <shadeslayer> yep 90% of installation done
[16:23] <apachelogger> oh and please export PHONON_BACKEND_DEBUG=5
[16:24] <sgclark> Riddell: kded and kdesignerplugin ready
[16:24] <apachelogger> actually, maybe I still have an alpha snapshot
[16:24] <apachelogger> or not, already discarded
[16:24] <apachelogger> for saucy I have like 15 snapshots Oo
[16:24] <shadeslayer> I have ENODISKSPACE
[16:24] <shadeslayer> need to get a 4 TB HDD
[16:25] <apachelogger> yes!
[16:25] <shadeslayer> then I have a snapshot for each upgrade
[16:25] <apachelogger> moar space
[16:25] <shadeslayer> muwhahaha
[16:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I only pull snapshots at point of interests, I do not consider pre-release snapshots particularly interesting ^^
[16:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude
[16:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwalletmanager/4:4.12.3-0ubuntu1/+build/5669339
[16:27] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:27] <apachelogger> darts vader
[16:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, that is your fault
[16:27] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:30] <apachelogger> that systray thread on kde-packager is way too long to read
[16:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it doesn't happen on what appears to be a beta VM
[16:34] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:34] <apachelogger> maybe it's a general timing thing and VMs are just too slow
[16:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but then shouldn't the dialog come up at some point when the pipeline is playing
[16:36] <apachelogger> doesn't load debug symbols, lovely
[16:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[16:37] <apachelogger> the dialog is only triggered by error callbacks it appears
[16:38] <apachelogger> and in the case I am seeing there is an error callback, then stuff happens, and then the plugin is reported as missing internally ... it will only trigger the dialog once the error callback happens again
[16:38] <apachelogger> which is not until dragon tears down
[16:38] <apachelogger> so it's really just an implemenational fact that it shows up at all, might just as well not show up if the callback is not triggered on teardown
[16:40]  * apachelogger wonders how to get debug symbols considering the package is apparently broken -.-
[16:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ might be that the phonon4qt5 business broke -dbg
[16:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/vids/Kubuntu%2014.04.webm
[16:41] <apachelogger> altho the dbg package contains something
[16:41] <dougl> I have 14.04 installed on my notebook and when I close the lid and open it again the screen saver is locked then the mouse locks up... my work around is not closing the lid but was wondering if anyone wanted to know about this in here
[16:41] <apachelogger> very curious
[16:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah same thing as here
[16:42] <apachelogger> nice choice of show btw XD
[16:43] <BluesKaj> taking forever to install w7 guest with qemu-kvm
[16:43] <apachelogger> I don't get it, something is wrong with gdb
[16:43] <apachelogger> doesn't want to load the pgst debug symbols
[16:43] <apachelogger> stupid thing
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[16:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please make a snapshot, then upgrade to latest and check again
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7050883/
[16:44] <shadeslayer> bt
[16:45] <shadeslayer> snapshotting
[16:45] <apachelogger> oh god am I stupid
[16:45]  * apachelogger forgot --nofork -.-
[16:46] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[16:46] <shadeslayer> what a noob
[16:47] <apachelogger> I swear to god this is a gstreamer thing
[16:47] <apachelogger> so
[16:47] <apachelogger> what happens is
[16:48] <apachelogger> the order is not wrong
[16:48] <apachelogger> in the VM I also get checkeinstalled -> addplugin 
[16:48] <apachelogger> BUT after the addplugin I get another checkinstalled
[16:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7050907/
[16:48] <apachelogger> i.e. cb_error
[16:48] <apachelogger> from deeep within a gstreamer thread
[16:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: gogogo
[16:48] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: in the upgrade there are no gst0.10 packages
[16:49] <shadeslayer> which is why the paste
[16:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: try anyway
[16:53] <apachelogger> ohohohohohohohohohohohohohoohohohohoh
[16:53] <apachelogger> DA FUQ
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ??
[16:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it only goes wrong when the audio plugin could be resolved
[16:53] <shadeslayer> santa clause is coming to town?
[16:53] <apachelogger> i.e. I had the package for audio support installed
[16:54] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:54] <shadeslayer> O_O
[16:54] <apachelogger> removing it triggers both addPlugin and then suddenly followed by a cb_error
[16:54] <apachelogger> I told you
[16:54] <shadeslayer> magic
[16:54] <apachelogger> gstreamer is so crap
[16:54] <apachelogger> it's not even fun anymore
[16:54] <apachelogger> it might be that it decides that since it can resolve the audio it is not that important that video is broken
[16:55] <apachelogger> .....
[16:55] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so why does it trigger the dialog during tear down
[16:57] <apachelogger> because dragon sets an invalid source or something and then gstreamer issues the error callback
[16:57] <apachelogger> somesuch madness
[16:57] <shadeslayer> :/
[16:57] <apachelogger> matter of the fact is, gstreamer apparently doesn't consider audio && !video an error
[16:58] <apachelogger> so really, having the dialog shown on exit is a bit of a boon
[16:58] <genii> I guess I'm not doing any upgrades right now, since I sort of need gstreamer and v4l2loopback
[16:58] <apachelogger> otherwise you had no ability to install the codec at all
[16:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fear not, phonon-gstraemer also convinces with exciting shittyness though
[16:59] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:59] <apachelogger> fails to resume/continue with playback start once codec install is done
[16:59] <apachelogger> gotta click play again
[16:59] <shadeslayer> yep, I've seen the bug report on that one
[16:59] <apachelogger> which then triggers codec install again
[17:00] <apachelogger> because plugin cache is not reloaded
[17:00] <apachelogger> oh and lol
[17:00] <apachelogger> restarting dragon it has not actually installed the video codec and video remains broken
[17:00]  * apachelogger sighs
[17:00] <apachelogger> doesn't find any more plugins though
[17:01] <shadeslayer> :/
[17:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you know where the gstreamer thing has it's codec-package mapping from?
[17:03] <apachelogger> ah, app-install-data
[17:03] <apachelogger> might be that it is simply outdated ^^
[17:04] <Quintasan> \o
[17:05] <apachelogger> yo Quintasan
[17:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, I think the fact that it cannot resolve the video codec is because app-install-data is outdated
[17:05] <shadeslayer> hooray
[17:05] <apachelogger> apparently plugins-bad was split into plugins-bad and plugins-bad-multiverse
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how so
[17:05] <apachelogger> and latter appears to now contain the hx264 decoder
[17:06] <apachelogger> but qapt cannot resolve that because app-install-data only knwos about plugins-bad, because of its outdatedness
[17:06] <shadeslayer> I see
[17:06] <apachelogger> or not
[17:06] <apachelogger> still broken xD
[17:06] <shadeslayer> uhm dude
[17:06] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:06] <shadeslayer> there be plugins-bad-multiverse
[17:06] <apachelogger> let's try ugly
[17:06] <apachelogger> well
[17:07] <shadeslayer> menu-data-codecs/gstreamer-bad-multiverse.desktop
[17:07] <apachelogger> anyway
[17:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not in the package I have installed anyway
[17:07] <apachelogger> in the old VM
[17:07] <shadeslayer> this is from the source
[17:07] <apachelogger> my VM does not care about your source
[17:08] <Quintasan> lol
[17:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: grep for decoder-video/x-h264
[17:08] <apachelogger> what packages provide it?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> ffmpeg and bad
[17:08] <Quintasan> tis be libav - remember
[17:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: then the meta data is broken or the bad package is
[17:09] <shadeslayer> menu-data-codecs/gstreamer-ffmpeg.desktop
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^^
[17:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no, gstreamer has native implementations
[17:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ooh, good
[17:09] <apachelogger> just like vlc has native implementations for a lot of codecs
[17:09]  * Quintasan was appalled when he learned of the atrocities done to ffmpeg
[17:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: anyway, -bad definitely does not provide the codec for me
[17:10] <apachelogger> can you check in your VM as well?
[17:10] <shadeslayer> checking
[17:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I've got a clean trusty VM, want me to test it as well?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: vm says bad and ffmpeg too
[17:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe I am too drunk already.... does gsteramer0.10-ffmpeg even exist?
[17:11] <apachelogger> my vm says fu when I try to install it
[17:11] <apachelogger> or more to the point what Package is defined in gstreamer-ffmpeg.desktop
[17:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in trusty :P
[17:12] <apachelogger> I swear to god, this app-install stuff is kaput
[17:12] <shadeslayer> X-AppInstall-Package=gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[17:12] <shadeslayer> !info gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg trusty
[17:12] <apachelogger> !!!!
[17:12] <shadeslayer> ENOPACKAGE
[17:12] <Quintasan> yup
[17:12] <apachelogger> it's all kitten
[17:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please be writing angry mail to ubuntu-devel :P
[17:13] <shadeslayer> yeah :(
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I shall
[17:13] <apachelogger> and mark the card as blocked
[17:13] <apachelogger> oh and on that ntoe... I was thinking... maybe we should have a separate list, rather than a tag
[17:13] <Quintasan> I can imagine the madness if we will have to replace libav with the real ffmpeg
[17:13] <apachelogger> then again, with a dedicated list we run risk of not wanting to look at the cards
[17:14] <apachelogger> thus never poking people to unblock
[17:14] <apachelogger> and then end up not being able to resolve it in time
[17:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: some people say libav is the real ffmpeg
[17:14] <Quintasan> lel
[17:14] <Quintasan> looking at their progress I'd say otherwise
[17:14] <Quintasan> avconv can't even concat videos which is like...a regression?
[17:15] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:16] <Quintasan> Not exactly my statement since I use ffmpeg from time to time but generally yeah.
[17:16] <apachelogger> I tend not to get tied up in this particular floss drama
[17:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do we have a bug for that plugin install problem that I can quote?
[17:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we have not, the dragon smoke test has a comment you can quote tho
[17:16] <apachelogger> i.e. that's what I quoted in the card I think
[17:17] <shadeslayer> roger
[17:17] <shadeslayer> I bet ubuntu
[17:17] <shadeslayer> has the same issue
[17:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:17] <apachelogger> if the codec mapping is kaputt then no gstreamer app will be able to resolve hx264
[17:18] <Quintasan> Is it possible to make it not kaputt without going insane?
[17:18] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7lV8Q79Yqk <-
[17:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no. its to do with gstreamer.
[17:18] <Quintasan> ...
[17:18] <Quintasan> Urgh.
[17:18] <apachelogger> gstreamer brought down the n9 don't you know
[17:19] <apachelogger> also there's an hour of our life we won't get back
[17:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Terryfing.
[17:20] <apachelogger> <3 gstreamer <3
[17:26] <apachelogger> uhhh, counting crows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae2Nh0ObSoo
[17:26] <apachelogger> in the 90's even shadeslayer was still young
[17:27] <shadeslayer> I am still young!
[17:27] <apachelogger> yeah, sure
[17:27] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_: what's with the navigation bar on the top fo the theme btw
[17:28] <apachelogger> most irtitating
[17:31] <apachelogger> all is vain
[17:32]  * apachelogger cracks open a bottle of wine
[17:32]  * shadeslayer could use some wine right now
[17:33] <apachelogger> we have so many shitty cards left it's not even fun
[17:34] <shadeslayer> yeah :/
[17:34] <shadeslayer> I *really* don't want to do any of the shitty cards
[17:35] <shadeslayer> what
[17:35] <shadeslayer> it's quarter to 7
[17:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are really getting paid to do them :P
[17:35] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:35] <shadeslayer> :'(
[17:36] <apachelogger> some of them are larger epic cards though which makes them shitty because you dunno where to start
[17:36] <apachelogger> well, actually they are not cards anyway
[17:36] <apachelogger> technically they should be boards with a bazillion cards
[17:36] <shadeslayer> well the web framework stuff should be postponed to the next cycle
[17:36] <apachelogger> might need to figure out something
[17:36] <apachelogger> but we have quite the board flood alraedy
[17:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[17:36] <shadeslayer> no? :O
[17:36] <shadeslayer> you want me to write a web framework
[17:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's not release dependent at all
[17:36] <shadeslayer> for patch tracking
[17:36] <shadeslayer> you mad
[17:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I feel happy about our QA cards though
[17:37] <Quintasan> lol
[17:37] <apachelogger> well if you feel that we should not do it at all then bring that up :P
[17:37] <Quintasan> You guys are doing 14.10 cards?
[17:37] <apachelogger> postponing doens't really make the card go away :P
[17:37] <Quintasan> +1
[17:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it does too!
[17:37] <shadeslayer> it goes away till the next cycle
[17:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I have all cards until 16.04 done already, just not pushed
[17:37] <Quintasan> What.
[17:37] <shadeslayer> ^^
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: in his dreams
[17:38] <apachelogger> going to go on a one year vacation soon
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: needs pushing into reality
[17:38] <apachelogger> pff
[17:38] <apachelogger> don't believe me then
[17:38] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: His vacation or his person to psychologist?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> that makes no sense ^^
[17:38] <apachelogger> ur all drunk
[17:38] <Quintasan> Why so?
[17:38] <apachelogger> go home
[17:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://trello.com/c/eraSkldV is nice if you still need somthing
[17:40] <shadeslayer> I wish trello and toggl had some sort of integration
[17:40] <apachelogger> well
[17:41] <apachelogger> no clue how that would work :P
[17:41] <apachelogger> but trelloz has an API
[17:41] <shadeslayer> mention the card on toggl and it starts tracking time
[17:41] <shadeslayer> so that I don't have to type shit
[17:41] <shadeslayer> the it generates reports with links to cards
[17:41] <apachelogger> if the names werent so shit
[17:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if the tooooooooooooooggl has an api that would much work
[17:42] <apachelogger> one could even generate a report via api yourself
[17:42] <apachelogger> because tbh, the stock reports are rather shitty
[17:42] <shadeslayer> https://github.com/toggl/toggl_api_docs/blob/master/toggl_api.md
[17:43] <apachelogger> there ye go
[17:43] <apachelogger> nice pet project
[17:44] <shadeslayer> but I wanted to do a webrtc metronome over the weekend :(
[17:44] <sgclark> Riddell: kded and kdesignerplugin kdoctools khtml ready
[17:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no clue what that is, sounds equally silly tho :P
[17:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no clue what a metronome is?
[17:44] <apachelogger> nope
[17:44] <Quintasan> apachelogger: tic-toc-tic-toc
[17:45] <Quintasan> :P
[17:45] <apachelogger> tick tock goes the clock, even for the doctor
[17:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thing to keep you on track while playing music
[17:45] <Quintasan> more like tempo measurement
[17:45] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l08b6wofyA0
[17:45] <apachelogger> much scary
[17:45] <Quintasan> though you could use it that way
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: it is used that way :P
[17:46] <shadeslayer> used to make sure you don't play a note for too long
[17:46] <shadeslayer> keeps everyone in a band in sync
[17:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I interpreted your sentence as "keeping up with the notes"
[17:47] <shadeslayer> other way around
[17:47] <Quintasan> And I was like...uh you have the score sheet for that :P
[17:47] <shadeslayer> notes are supposed to keep up with the beat
[17:47] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:47] <shadeslayer> on that note, need to take a couple of printouts of music sheets
[17:48] <Quintasan> You can play anything?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> learning the violin
[17:48] <Quintasan> hurr, I started doing that
[17:48] <Quintasan> lol
[17:48] <shadeslayer> can sort of play lightly row 
[17:48] <shadeslayer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6nhNbqP4c
[17:48] <Quintasan> Why did you take up violin?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: this is why https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB_ghvfZ3ao
[17:49] <Quintasan> LOL
[17:50] <Quintasan> WHAT
[17:50] <Quintasan> HOW
[17:50] <Quintasan> WTF
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ??
[17:51] <Quintasan> This is bloody brilliant
[17:51] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:51] <shadeslayer> As of right now I can tell that one of them is playin in the A and E strings and one guy on the G string
[17:51] <shadeslayer> but that's about it xD
[17:51] <apachelogger> should have chosen chello
[17:51] <apachelogger> chellos are cool
[17:51] <shadeslayer> too big to carry around
[17:52] <apachelogger> also I can't spell it right
[17:52] <Quintasan> That was kind of easy, the question is how do you play it like this
[17:52]  * apachelogger wonders what's up with that
[17:52] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT3SBzmDxGk
[17:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it's the wine
[17:52] <apachelogger> maybe
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: practice
[17:52] <shadeslayer> alot of it
[17:52] <ronnoc> apachelogger: Thx for feedback. We're discussing in the Kubuntu Forums atm and will provide feedback via bug reports shortly
[17:52] <apachelogger> thx
[17:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Did you buy one or you borrowed one?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://www.youtube.com/user/lindseystomp/videos
[17:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: bought one
[17:54] <Quintasan> How much?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> super cheap
[17:54] <shadeslayer> 100 EUR
[17:54] <Quintasan> Bloody hell
[17:54] <apachelogger> only austrian violins are proper violins fwiw
[17:54] <shadeslayer> it's like a shitty violin
[17:54] <shadeslayer> good for practice
[17:54] <Quintasan> I lost the opportunity to get one and now my friend from whom I borrowed mine sold it
[17:55] <Quintasan> And now I don't have one.
[17:55] <shadeslayer> aw
[17:55] <shadeslayer> *hugs*
[17:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: get a cheap chinese one
[17:55] <Quintasan> Well, now I work at ISP so I can purchase one soon.
[17:55] <apachelogger> or get a proper austrian one :P
[17:55] <Quintasan> an ISP*
[17:55] <shadeslayer> The cheapest one I saw here was 80 EUR
[17:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: The only thing I liked that she did was Zelda Medley
[17:57] <Quintasan> The rest is pretty meh IMO
[17:57] <apachelogger> zelda is pretty meh
[17:57] <shadeslayer> oh yay
[17:57] <shadeslayer> done most of my TODO for today
[17:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Unto you I say this: play Ocarina of Time.
[17:57] <apachelogger> mario > link
[17:57] <Quintasan> top kek
[17:58] <apachelogger> so what now
[17:59] <apachelogger> do I play a game or do I watch tv or do I keep troling people on irc
[17:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: play le portal 2
[17:59] <apachelogger> nah
[17:59] <shadeslayer> where the game trolls you
[17:59] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:00] <apachelogger> could play guildwars2, there was an update there
[18:00] <apachelogger> more dragons one hears
[18:02] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjfybC7pm-I
[18:02] <apachelogger> dat art
[18:02] <apachelogger> outragous
[18:02]  * shadeslayer has no windows
[18:03] <apachelogger> on that note, wine doesn't do multicore support apparently
[18:03] <apachelogger> makes sc2/wow/gw2 run like shit on modern cpus
[18:04] <shadeslayer> I do have an xbox though ...
[18:05] <apachelogger> thanks for supporting microsoft :P
[18:05] <apachelogger> ther was something excitign about ps4 tho
[18:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I could say the same about you
[18:05]  * apachelogger checks the google
[18:05] <shadeslayer> oh, I have the old one
[18:05] <shadeslayer> 360
[18:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://twitter.com/AndreaPessino/status/436587388828004352
[18:07] <shadeslayer> O_O
[18:07] <apachelogger> actually that was slightly distrubing, because they showed like a trailer or something and everything was really slick looking, and then it turns out that the trailer was actually in-game footage
[18:07] <shadeslayer> 100K polygons
[18:07] <apachelogger> mind blown
[18:08] <shadeslayer> I have BF3 which just barely runs
[18:10] <apachelogger> anyway
[18:10] <apachelogger> -> tv
[18:32] <ahoneybun_> apachelogger, what about the nav bar>
[18:48] <shadeslayer> kfilemetadata up btw
[19:03] <shadeslayer> sigh
[19:03] <shadeslayer> who wants to do copyright stuff
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: ping
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: where can I find the X-Debian-ABI documentation?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> pj
[19:29] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:29] <shadeslayer> found it
[19:29] <shadeslayer> I need a duck
[19:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yofel plz review http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza/revision/130
[19:31] <shadeslayer> I don't think it's correct :P
[19:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: try building and you'll see how it'll not work ^^
[19:38] <yofel> from what I see, all should have abi 1
[19:38] <yofel> and you'll have changed filenames and thus changed packagenames
[19:38] <shadeslayer> why should plot be 1?
[19:38] <shadeslayer> yofel: actually not
[19:39] <shadeslayer> see example 1 in /usr/share/doc/pkg-kde-tools/README.DebianABIManager
[19:39] <shadeslayer> so I know that at the very least I'll get a symbol diff
[19:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: you do realize hat not changing file and packagename makes the whole thing pointless?
[19:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: are you sure about that?
[19:40] <yofel> different ABI means different SONAME
[19:40] <yofel> that's the whole point...
[19:40] <shadeslayer> because symbols foo version 5_0 will only appear in 4.12.80
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: note that we actually didn't have different package names for libanalitza till now
[19:41] <yofel> and what about the removed ones? something built against libanalitzaplot.so.5 will still work fine even with the symbols gone?
[19:41] <yofel> let me try to build this
[19:41] <shadeslayer> hm true
[19:42] <yofel> if that file isn't renamed to libanalitzaplot.so.5abi1 then the abi was not bumped
[19:42] <yofel> thus making it pointless
[19:42] <shadeslayer> so what's the purpose of the 1st example
[19:44] <yofel> not quite sure, it's the example for the explenation of X-Debian-ABI above that, but I'm not sure I understand the point
[19:44] <yofel> OTOH
[19:45] <yofel> it's useful for resetting it when upstream bumps ABI but still remembering that upstream doesn't follow policies
[19:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: and what's up with that changelog entry o.O?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[19:49] <shadeslayer> beats me
[19:49] <yofel> *sigh*
[19:49] <yofel> we should disable auto-push and provide a mass-push script -.-
[19:49] <shadeslayer> ahhhh
[19:50] <yofel> currently, re-running the script only works if you use the exact same message
[19:50] <yofel> otherwise this happens
[19:50] <shadeslayer> I didn't know Riddell was working on things, and I ran the script too
[19:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw I believe it's Beta 1
[19:51] <shadeslayer> not alpha :D
[19:51] <yofel> it is ^^
[19:51] <shadeslayer> doing away with alpha's seems to be in these days
[19:51] <yofel> uh, we never had alphas? it was always 2 betas and 2 rc's, now we have 3 betas and one rc
[19:51] <yofel> IIRC?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:52] <shadeslayer> dunno, I thought we had alpha's at some point
[19:52] <yofel> could've been in the past, not sure
[19:55] <ScottK> KDE has alphas, we just didn't package them.
[19:55] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_: it's too fancy
[19:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: has ? :D
[19:57] <ScottK> has/had, whatever.
[19:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: are you fixing analitza or should I?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: go for it
[19:58] <yofel> ack
[19:58] <shadeslayer> Pretty sure I'll screw it up a bit more
[20:20] <yofel> that package needs all sorts of fixing...
[20:47] <shadeslayer> alright I'm off 
[20:47] <shadeslayer> Precise 4.12.3 works
[20:47] <shadeslayer> might want to copy it over
[20:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: wanna review http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza/revision/132 ? ^^
[20:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw.: a new upstream release is no reason to skip writing changelog entries...
[22:09] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov)
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