=== Pici is now known as Guest19876 [05:11] apachelogger: re: kde bug 331419: [05:11] I think it is worth asking here if Muon Discover should even be capable of a system update? After all, there is Muon Updater specifically for that purpose, and Muon Package Manager can handle this task as well... [05:12] OTOH if we compare MD to, say, Android Play Store, the Play store will show a list of apps that can be updated along with a summary of changes. Perhaps MD could have a separate tab showing packages that can (and in theory should) be upgraded, along with a button to refresh the cache and do so. But this probably shouldn't be part of the main Discover UI . [05:12] thoughts? [05:18] BTW this functionality would also potentially take care of Bug 331101 as well :) [07:12] good morning [07:27] BluesKaj: === skfin is now known as Guest75360 === PaulW2U is now known as Guest79190 === Pici is now known as Guest83630 [09:06] jussi: was it you who was complaining about libreoffice deadlocking? or was it crashing? [09:30] Good morning. === Guest79190 is now known as PaulW2U === PaulW2U is now known as Guest51244 [10:41] hi [10:42] do you have any packaging of kf5 (excluding project neon)? [10:44] sure, in experimental [10:44] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages [10:44] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.97.0_trusty.html === debfx_ is now known as debfx [10:52] Howdy all [10:59] thank you very much Ridell [12:16] hello [12:18] morning cortexA9 [12:18] Riddell: hey [12:20] apachelogger: does scripty pick up all desktop files in the source code for translation [12:20] apachelogger: or do I have to add some special key to the desktop file [12:21] desktop files are always i18n'd AFAIK [12:21] tsdgeos would know for sure [12:21] it's available kde 4.13? [12:22] shadeslayer: all desktop files are i18n in the fields that we i18n [12:22] Riddell: its beta version that was just release ? [12:22] *4.13 [12:22] yes [12:22] but i don't think [12:22] tsdgeos: apachelogger well, wierdly the lightdm theme desktop files are not [12:22] it's available [12:23] for kubuntu i mean [12:23] shadeslayer: proof? [12:23] cortexA9: it is in experimental as Riddellsaid from wht i see [12:23] oh ok soee [12:25] tsdgeos: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/lightdm/repository/revisions/master/entry/themes/classic/metadata.desktop [12:26] soee: cortexA9: there's no 4.13 release yet [12:27] http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.13-beta1.php === Squt is now known as Sput === Guest83630 is now known as Pici [12:32] shadeslayer: that's not the correct branch [12:32] apachelogger: yes, it exists in 0.3 but not in master, so I'm curious [12:32] since the string is the same [12:32] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/playground-base/desktop_playground-base_lightdm.pot?revision=1366190&view=markup [12:32] that is exporting from 0.3, not master [12:33] the project's i18n trunk branch is set to 0.3, not master, that's why master does not get translations into the desktop file [12:33] all expected [12:33] ah I see [12:33] v0.3 [12:34] from https://projects.kde.org/kde_projects.xml === Guest51244 is now known as PaulW2U [12:39] apachelogger: crashing. because of the kde integration. removed it and now no issues. [12:39] fancy [12:39] I sure hope you reported a bug :O [12:40] apachelogger: is dragon (prosumably phonon?) ment to not be able to play h.264 in trusty? (upgraded from saucy) [12:40] seaLne: known issue [12:40] I'm investigating today [12:40] ah ok [12:40] stupid gstreamer [12:40] we should just use vlc :P [12:41] as you would say [12:41] SPAACCEEEEEE [12:41] oh wait [12:41] apachelogger: maybe we can now [12:41] apachelogger: yeah, we probably can [12:42] yeah, not past feature freeze really [12:42] because no rekonq = no qtwebkit = no gst [12:42] * shadeslayer waves fist at xgettext not extracting strings locall [12:42] *locally [12:42] that would require fiddling with the vlc packaging to get some questionable libav parts out [12:43] shadeslayer: KUBUNTU_L10N_NO_DESKTOP=1 KUBUNTU_L10N_FORCE_RUN=1 dh_kubuntu_l10n_generate [12:43] yay [12:47] apachelogger: http://commits.kde.org/lightdm/cd8831751d98e7c7042c79941fd5862fba0d3636 [12:48] fixed the "Guest" issue [12:48] shadeslayer: did you run that by d_ed? :P [12:48] yep [12:49] ok [12:49] * d_ed confirms [12:49] shadeslayer: please email kde-i18n-doc to inform them of the new pot needing translations [12:50] wrt the plasma sytemtray stuff discussed in packagers ... how you make sure sni-qt is installed? [12:51] morning sgclark [12:51] Riddell: morning :) [12:52] santa_: pulled in by a meta package I guess [12:52] apachelogger: done [12:53] whee, I still have a hibernate button === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:53] "Your message to kde-i18n-doc awaits moderator approval" [12:53] those moderators [12:54] yofel: it's a bug [12:54] $ qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate [12:54] true [12:54] uhm, no [12:54] * apachelogger wonders why his quassel speaks german [12:54] oh it's the eglibc LANGUAGE bug [12:54] apachelogger: where? [12:54] silliest bug ever [12:55] yofel: no clue, shadeslayer might know [12:55] upower/logind though I presume [12:55] upower is correct, dbus is not - so logind maybe [12:55] apachelogger: actually no, it's the bug where the lang is set in a qt config file [12:55] shadeslayer: there is no qt config for langauge [12:56] it's system langauge with LANGUAGE=en:foo, where eglibc has a race and picks foo for whatever reason [13:02] shadeslayer: we still need to expand the workspace test case a bit btw [13:02] currently only tests wallpapers [13:05] https://trello.com/c/eraSkldV [13:05] * apachelogger is terribly uncreative today -.- [13:09] * yofel added activity testing to that [13:12] because there's like 3 users who use activities :P [13:14] upstream still gives a broken activity by default :( [13:14] ronnoc: discover was not supposed to be used for updates just yet, that was an oversight that has been reverted in git already. the long term plan however certainly is to use discover as primary update UI just like all the other store applications tend to have application updates built in [13:15] uh oh im using activities [13:15] currently it is not quite ready for primetime though as features are missing and the update view is in general not very informative [13:15] whats the problem :) [13:16] ronnoc: whether or not discover updates will be ready in time for 14.04 I cannot say, but bug reports about issues or possible improvments to what we have right now would certainly be welcome [13:19] Bug 1289042 [13:19] bug 1289042 in kde-baseapps (Ubuntu) "package konqueror 4:4.11.5-0ubuntu0.1 failed to install/upgrade: próba nadpisania "/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror/format-font-size-more.png", który istnieje także w pakiecie kde-baseapps-data 4:4.9.5-0ubuntu0.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1289042 [13:19] yofel, shadeslayer: thoughts? [13:47] * Riddell runs kubuntu-initial-upload on 4.12.80 [13:49] shadeslayer: "This doesn't introduce any new strings, just a new pot file that was previously not being exported." <- from a translator's pov that introduces new strings :P [13:51] Riddell: 4.13 beta ? [13:51] Riddell: plasma-framework has an optional depend on ktexteditor that from what I can see does not exist? [13:53] sgclark: right I think ktexteditor isn't released yet so just ignore for now [13:53] ok [13:53] soee: alpha [13:56] hmm, why alpha ehn thers beta already ? [13:57] is there? [13:57] oh ok they're going straight to beta [13:57] then yes it's the beta [13:57] http://dot.kde.org/2014/03/06/kde-ships-first-beta-applications-and-platform-413 [13:58] seems packagers have been kept in the dark about this release :( [13:58] :) [14:00] * apachelogger feels the need to again point out that 4.13 != KF5, therefore frameworks have nothing to do with the 4.13 beta [14:01] yup ;) [14:01] Riddell: also, see mail thread "www/sites/www" [14:01] I guess there's better ways than svn cc's but oh well ^^ [14:03] apachelogger: yes that's all we got it seems [14:03] * apachelogger ponders doing some phonon releases [14:06] oh [14:06] Riddell: uploading 4.12.80? [14:08] apachelogger: thoughts on what? the bug would be an overwrite error [14:08] shadeslayer: yep [14:09] yofel: yes, but why and how and who and do we fix it and waaaah [14:10] Riddell: already uploaded? or should I clean out ninjas first [14:11] shadeslayer: still working on it locally, yes go and clean it out [14:14] Riddell: plasma-framework ready [14:17] sgclark: newline added at end of debian/libkf5plasma5.install for tidyness [14:17] sgclark: uploaded! [14:17] sgclark: what's left? [14:18] sgclark: frameworkintegration could do with pkg-config [14:18] sgclark: kcodecs could do with being changed to dhmk [14:18] and the status script could do with knowing about not-installed [14:19] yofel, shadeslayer: does it really not do that already? ↑ [14:19] it does [14:19] kfileaudiopreview khtml need phonon fixes, I think my script broke those [14:19] ok [14:19] it does if dhmk is used [14:19] fwiw, the status script has spooky code [14:19] it needs a === list-missing === section in the build log [14:21] I wonder if it needs the ./ at the start of the filename [14:21] * Riddell tests with kconfigwidgets [14:21] not-installed needs a ./ at the start I believe [14:24] Riddell: frameworkintegration ready [14:27] sgclark: uploaded! [14:32] Riddell: kfileaudiopreview ready [14:35] * manchicken is Kubuntu-branded [14:37] we have a brand? [14:37] who knew ... [14:38] I got my polo shirt. [14:38] shadeslayer: apparently some dude is selling shirtd [14:38] Yeah, who would sell shirts? [14:38] mental [14:38] I'm still trying to get my employer to let me switch from a Mac to a kubuntu box. [14:38] I say we fire him :P [14:39] heh [14:39] Just dock his pay [14:40] proceeds -> apachelogger's pocket -> vacation [14:40] +for shadeslayer [14:40] yay [14:40] apachelogger: libkubuntu requires a recent libqapt [14:40] so unless I backport libqapt ... [14:40] what proceeds... *cough* :P [14:40] shadeslayer: backport to where? [14:40] le precise [14:41] [16:26:48] well it's not good to be backported to 12.04 :P [14:41] and then you said it could be backported with a patch [14:42] plasma_wallpaper_mandelbrot.so [14:42] er [14:42] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/168375324/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-ppc64el.kdeplasma-addons_4%3A4.12.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [14:42] sgclark: uploaded! [14:42] whoopwhooop [14:43] shadeslayer: le question: didn't you say app-install-data picks up hidden stuff? [14:43] apachelogger: yes [14:43] see readme [14:43] the readme? [14:43] you mean the readme that talks about whores? [14:44] there's a readme in app-install-data IIRC [14:44] there's a readme that talks about whores? [14:44] Application Install Tool for Whore^WHoary Hedgehog [14:44] most reliably readme in all of ubuntu [14:44] shadeslayer: ah, ok [14:45] shadeslayer: kde-developer-sdk desktop entry needs Hidden=true [14:45] oooohhh cc1plus: out of memory allocating 3355443200 bytes after a total of 487424 bytes [14:45] sgclark: yay kconfigwidgets did get fixed, so for those ones which complain about missing files add the ./ at the start of the entry in not-installed [14:45] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/168367182/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.poxml_4%3A4.12.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [14:46] apachelogger: y u no upload kwallet-manager? :( [14:48] from where to when to what [14:48] :'< [14:49] sigh [14:49] Riddell: ok [14:53] shadeslayer: are you fixing kde-developer-sdk? [14:55] shadeslayer: nevermind, I'll do it :P [14:56] Uploading meta-kde_78ubuntu13_source.changes: done. [14:56] Successfully uploaded packages [14:56] also colord should next be picked up by app-install-data [14:56] Uploading colord-kde_0.3.0-0ubuntu3_source.changes: done. [14:56] Successfully uploaded packages. [14:56] hurray for fake desktop files [14:56] apachelogger: "next app-install-data" hahaha [14:56] so in 14.10? [14:56] no, whenever it is being rerolled [14:57] I emailed mvo 3 days ago to update app-install-data, no reply yet :P [14:57] and the one in trusty is super old [14:57] Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:52:26 +0200 [14:57] :D [14:57] shadeslayer: Riddell suggested that mvo might not be working on ubuntu anymore [14:57] then that's a problem [14:58] since apparently the tar is rolled on his account [14:58] on rookery.canonical.com [14:58] maybe need to poke cj [14:59] ./update-menu-data.sh: wget -c http://rookery.canonical.com/~mvo/gnome-app-install/$MENU [14:59] shadeslayer: xnox might be able to help ^^ [14:59] xnox: ^^ halp [15:02] hm i have notification: Language support is incomlete, additional packages are required [15:02] how can i know what packages ? [15:02] soee: you cannot [15:02] it's an exciting design flaw [15:03] oh thers installer shortcut in systray [15:03] not mine though [15:03] qapt-batch-installer is shitt [15:03] soee: apachelogger is sadistic [15:03] :D [15:03] he finds pleasure in not telling users what packages are required [15:03] apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kwalletmanager_4.12.3-0ubuntu1.dsc [15:03] the systray thing is also not my fault btw [15:03] that's a plasma notification paradigm [15:03] if a tray icon issues a notification the notification cannot have actions [15:04] shadeslayer: why is that not in bzr etc? [15:04] it is! [15:04] why do you give me a dsc then? [15:04] you are being silly [15:04] cuz you're being lazy [15:04] in uploading kwalletmanager [15:05] I don't get it [15:05] that versin is already tagged in bzr [15:05] so it is released [15:05] someone committed workflow fraud! [15:05] outragous [15:05] it is not, it was tagged because I ran the script with kwalletmanager and it uploaded the tags [15:05] but since its source new .... [15:06] oh lord, nvidia-prime upgrade + 331 drivers and again its broken :M [15:06] shadeslayer: can't everyone upload source new? [15:06] no :( [15:06] and wait what [15:06] that would mean chaos in the queu [15:06] why is 4.12.3 source new? [15:06] what? [15:06] apachelogger: kwallet git repo got renamed [15:07] to kwalletmanager [15:07] binary is same [15:07] ...................................................................................... [15:07] I sure hope someone screamed at upstream for that [15:07] upstream annouced it eons ago [15:07] no one raised a finger [15:07] that they would rename the source in a stable release? [15:08] yes [15:08] "Repository rename and consequences" [15:09] fancy [15:09] apparently that's ok nowadays [15:09] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-utils-devel&m=139181042015838&w=1 [15:09] apachelogger: apparently [15:09] shadeslayer: leaving us with your workflow fraud [15:09] I missed the thread somehow [15:10] untag -> force push [15:10] shadeslayer: curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 403 Forbidden [15:10] whaaattt [15:11] shadeslayer: curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 403 Forbidden [15:11] why can't you just upload the dsc ? :( [15:11] curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 403 Forbidden [15:11] dget: curl kwalletmanager_4.12.3-0ubuntu1.dsc http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kwalletmanager_4.12.3-0ubuntu1.dsc failed [15:11] o_o [15:11] * ahoneybun_ thinks the last that the new site needs is to port the posts from the old site (maybe) [15:12] ahoneybun_: maybe? lol? :P [15:12] ahoneybun_, Riddell: I think the new site server needs to have a stress test conducted btw [15:13] ask canonical-sysadmin for metrics on peak access and then spawn a bunch of amazon cloud thingies to hammer the server [15:13] does posting all the old posts make sense? [15:13] it might well be possible that we need a CDN [15:13] ahoneybun_: previous URLs must remain valid [15:14] how that is achieved I do not care about, but supposedly moving the posts into wordpress is the easiest and/or most consistent way [15:15] apachelogger: try now [15:15] shadeslayer: worx now [15:15] yay [15:15] shadeslayer: apply for motu plz [15:15] Uploading kwalletmanager_4.12.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done. [15:15] Successfully uploaded packages. [15:15] Riddell: ^^ source new [15:15] apachelogger: fooey [15:16] okay [15:16] first thing next month [15:16] apachelogger: so, libkubuntu , thoughts on dropping that as a dep from kde-runtime in precise [15:16] what would be the impact? [15:16] no ad-hoc language pack install [15:17] !info lanaguage-selector-qt precise [15:17] shadeslayer: accepted! [15:17] Package lanaguage-selector-qt does not exist in precise [15:17] Riddell: yay [15:17] * apachelogger can't type [15:17] Riddell: might want to remove kwallet [15:18] Riddell: just the source [15:18] language-selector-kde 0.79.4 [15:18] shadeslayer: drop it and the integration patch [15:18] 12.04 used language-selector-kde still [15:18] kubuntu_langpack_install.diff is not DEP-3'd [15:18] so the package integration in the kcm is only additional sugar [15:18] shadeslayer: because it's a continious git export [15:19] if you'd prefer it could be a git patch set of 15 files (right now) :P [15:19] uhh, fun ... [15:20] it's a very special patch because it is supposed to go upstream for 2 years :P [15:20] /o\ [15:20] Riddell: kcodecs ready [15:20] a sea of blue http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.80_trusty.html [15:20] must get done for plasma next tho, since we don't have klocale in kf5 anymore, which means locale settings is almost exclusively drawn from syslocale variables [15:21] sgclark: uploaded! [15:25] any idea how this can be fixed http://pastebin.com/RV2mjBsH ? [15:35] shadeslayer: did I tell you about the QA cards yet? [15:35] nope [15:35] shadeslayer: the QA boards have a load of cards that need doing :P [15:36] why do we have gstreamer1.0 on the ISO [15:36] apachelogger: yay -.- [15:36] libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer [15:39] you could also ask why doesn't phonon have a gstreamer 1.0 backend yet.. [15:41] because gstreamer is crap [15:42] :( [15:42] also because shadeslayer didn't finish his port [15:42] yes, ultimately we can all blame shadeslayer [15:43] did you have someone else working on it? [15:45] yes, alas busy with other things [15:45] plus he thinks technically the port is pretty much done, needs testing tho [15:45] dvratil? [15:45] I can poke him when he comes for the pim sprint [15:45] or you know, get him sufficiently drunk [15:46] ( which would require copious amounts of beer ) [15:47] the 12 step beer program [15:47] beer is cheap afiestas said [15:48] apachelogger: in the czech republic, sure [15:49] I was wondering what he was talking about, I did not see any beer :P [15:49] Riddell: kde4support ready [15:50] for Alcoholics Unanimous [15:50] apachelogger: so qapt gst stuff works fine in alpha 2 [15:50] and I upgraded all the gst packages and it still kept working [15:50] so something else is going wrong [15:54] sgclark: uploaded! [15:56] shadeslayer: does not compute [15:56] I can totally reproduce the bug [15:56] Riddell: I have tried several gpgme packages and none can seem to resolve GpgmeConfig.cmake in kwallet-kf5 [15:57] apachelogger: on Alpha 1 [15:57] s/1/2/ [15:57] shadeslayer meant: "apachelogger: on Alpha 2" [15:57] on up-to-date trusty [15:57] right, but not on alpha 2 [15:57] alpha 2 works as expected [15:57] alpha 2 + selective gstreamer updates also works [15:58] shadeslayer: qapt broke it maybe [15:59] namely: I removed a nested eventloop invocation [15:59] that may or may not have this side effect [15:59] apachelogger: oh, maybe [15:59] though it'd be odd because it would never get to excute the qprocess then [16:01] sgclark: indeed we have none http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=GpgmeConfig.cmake&mode=exactfilename&suite=trusty&arch=any [16:01] sgclark: so put it on the todo list for further investigation [16:01] I didn't upgrade qapt, so trying that now [16:01] riddell: ok [16:01] * ahoneybun_ just found about tasksel [16:02] pgst debug output is also very crappy [16:02] still not as bad as qapt xD [16:05] apachelogger: btw seen this new thing where you can specify if libraries are privately and publically linked? [16:05] in cmake [16:05] http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/v2.8.8/cmake.html < The LINK_PUBLIC and LINK_PRIVATE modes can be used to specify both the link dependencies and the link interface in one command. Libraries and targets following LINK_PUBLIC are linked to, and are made part of the LINK_INTERFACE_LIBRARIES. Libraries and targets following LINK_PRIVATE are linked to, but are not made part of the LINK_INTERFACE_LIBRARIES. [16:05] tldr [16:05] tl;dr you can manipulate LINK_INTERFACE_LIBRARIES [16:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7050688/ [16:06] shadeslayer: to me it looks more like a gstreamer thing [16:06] shadeslayer: or maybe phonon [16:06] check if phonon 4.7 is in alpha2 [16:06] the checkinstalledplugins thing is called before adding the missing plugin and then only again when dragon is doing the teardown [16:09] libphonon4:amd64 4:4.7.0.0-2ubuntu3 [16:09] that's why the window comes up on close ... it triggers checkedinstallplugins again which then goes, oh, we have a missing plugin, must install [16:09] shadeslayer: I think we are at .1 [16:09] ohm [16:09] yeah [16:09] apachelogger: so phonon bug then? [16:09] 4.13 b1 released :-), yay! [16:09] Where can I find the build states as soon as you start packaging? [16:09] shadeslayer: I dunno! [16:10] if I knew I'd have fixed it already, wouldn't I :P [16:10] I can pretty much tell you that it is not phonon-gstreamer though [16:10] Riddell: I don't see kde4libs in the qa output btw 0.o [16:10] just built the .0 tag, still shows the issue [16:10] apachelogger: I can say that too :P [16:10] tester56: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.80_trusty.html [16:10] shadeslayer: which qa output? [16:11] the one you just posted :) [16:11] shadeslayer: I see it there [16:11] Riddell: thanks! [16:11] just below kde-wallpapers [16:11] aha [16:11] * Riddell out for a bit [16:12] will baloo be its own package? [16:13]