[00:06] <dsmythies> godbyk: Are you around?
[00:18] <godbyk> dsmythies: Yep!
[00:21] <dsmythies> godbyk: Begin blurb... (wait until the "End blurb")
[00:22] <dsmythies> As you know, My 14.04 computers have been ahving grief since about janaury 15th, and Unity since February 17th, but now Unity is O.K. again. GNOME still not, but I am using a GNOME VM of 13.10.
[00:23] <dsmythies> O.K. so, I was stuck on something in mid Jan, and not that I am able to continue stuck again...
[00:24] <dsmythies> The issue is "sharing" and trying to reslove dead end links in docs and links to files that are not there.
[00:24] <dsmythies> I go back and forth between GNOME and Unity to try to understand what is going on, or supposed to be going on.
[00:26] <dsmythies> Both GNOME and Unity mention to open "settings" and then open "sharing". However "sharing" doesn't exsist in "System Settings" in either Unity or GNOME.
[00:27] <dsmythies> O.K> so maybe that is because I do not have any pakcage installed that uses sharing, nor a Bluetooth device, and so maybe then the sharing option doesn't appear.
[00:28] <dsmythies> So I unstalled rygel on my 13.10 GNOME and re-booted and such, and still no "sharing" shows in "system settings".
[00:28] <godbyk> Hmm.. It may be that that capplet no longer exists then?
[00:28] <dsmythies> I do not understand. Do you?
[00:28] <godbyk> Let me boot up my 14.04 VM and take a look.
[00:28] <dsmythies> Exaclty, so I searched and searched and didn't find any other info.
[00:29] <dsmythies> Oh... "End blurb"
[00:29] <godbyk> Which page are you looking at?
[00:30] <dsmythies> I am in GNOME right now, but on "share youe music and photos and videos" I thinkk there is similar in unity.
[00:31] <godbyk> Also, I don't see a 'Sharing' option in the system settings for Ubuntu 13.10, either.
[00:31] <dsmythies> yes, but many things (O.K> about 3) refer it it.
[00:32] <dsmythies> I have seen other times and option or whatever missing, becuase I didn't have it, like the Bluetooth icon for example. That is why I installed rygel, as a test.
[00:32] <godbyk> Hmm.. I'm having trouble finding the page you're referring to.
[00:32] <dsmythies> ... let me boot unity... wait
[00:33] <godbyk> I have a Bluetooth icon on my 13.10 installation. (I have a cheap Bluetooth dongle on my desktop and it's built in to my laptop.)
[00:33] <dsmythies> Oh, that could be very helpful...
[00:34] <godbyk> I'm happy to help test Bluetooth-related instructions if I can.
[00:35] <dsmythies> in unity help type" sharing"
[00:36] <dsmythies> Oh, it isn't the same as GNOME
[00:37] <dsmythies> Grrrr.... my untiy isn't working again...
[00:38] <godbyk> You make me scared to install updates on my 14.04 installation. :)
[00:39] <dsmythies> from the results of "sharing" search select "connect your computer to a bluetooth"
[00:39] <dsmythies> then click on "sharing-bluetooth" at the lewer part of the page.
[00:40] <dsmythies> Og crap, that si a different problem.
[00:41] <godbyk> heh.. too many pages! :)
[00:42] <dsmythies> I usually can never figure out how to nagegate to a spot, so I just use "files" and then open with help on the file I want.
[00:43] <godbyk> That works, too.
[00:43] <godbyk> I'm just trying to find the instructions you were talking about.
[00:44] <dsmythies> The bluetooth file that is missing is the one I was trying to figure out, so I booted GNOME to tyr to know, but there is no "sharing", so GNOME doc doesn't even seem to right.
[00:44] <dsmythies> Oh, I opened that page from GNOME docs becuase it isn't in unity docs yet.
[00:45] <godbyk> Ah, okay.
[00:45] <godbyk> Which version of GNOME docs are you referencing?
[00:46] <dsmythies> Whatever is there on the computer. Wait a sec, I'll give a reference.
[00:48] <dsmythies> /usr/share/help/C/gnome-help/sharing-bluetooth.page
[00:51] <godbyk> Okay, my Bluetooth capplet doesn't have a sharing option in either 13.10 or 14.04.
[00:51] <godbyk> I need to update my 14.04, though.
[00:51] <dsmythies> I was trying to figure it all out, but no computer in my house has bluetooth
[00:53] <dsmythies> So Itried photo etc sharing under a GNOME boot, and it still didn't make sense (using GNOME help on a GNOME boot)
[00:56] <godbyk> I'm installing 14.04 updates now.
[00:56] <godbyk> Hopefully that'll fix the issue I'm having with the window manager crashing.
[00:56] <godbyk> brb
[00:57] <dsmythies> Yes, the newset updates will (should) fix it.
[00:58] <dsmythies> compiz had crashitice for 2 weeks. Dorve me bizzerk.
[01:15] <godbyk> back
[01:17] <dsmythies> Kevin, Quie by accident, I found what I was looing for, just now.
[01:17] <godbyk> dsmythies: Ah, excellent!
[01:17] <godbyk> My updates are still installing.
[01:17] <godbyk> It was waiting on confirmation from me and I hadn't noticed.
[01:18] <dsmythies> in dash type "sharing" and open personal file sharing preferences. The bluetooth options are in there.
[01:18] <godbyk> Ah!
[01:19] <godbyk> Apparently I need to install a couple other packages...
[01:19] <godbyk> At the top of that dialog, it says, 'This feature cannot be enabled because the required packages are not installed on your system.'
[01:19] <dsmythies> I still do not understand GNOME boot mode, but we already know they suffer with keeping up to date as we do.
[01:20] <dsmythies> It's O.K. since now I found that file. I can edit sharing-bluetooth.page for untiy (I think).
[01:21] <godbyk> Also interesting: If you click the Help button in that dialog, you'll get application-specific help (outside of Ubuntu docs).
[01:22] <dsmythies> godbyk: I seem to have dragged you around on a bit of a wild goose chase
[01:24] <dsmythies> hmmm.... built in help stuff looks pretty good. Why do we bother? Why not just say "see built in stuff"?
[01:26] <godbyk> dsmythies: Can we link to it from our docs?
[01:26] <dsmythies> I don't know. It seems to be written for GNOME, actually.
[01:28] <godbyk> Hrm...
[01:28] <godbyk> I wonder how much of the app-specific docs are also GNOME Shell–specific, too.
[01:29] <dsmythies> I'll boot GNOME again and see if that stuff is there.
[01:33] <dsmythies> O.K. Under GNOME it is the same, but there is no "Personal preferences" under "system" The help file seesm to be the same.
[01:37] <dsmythies> Anyway, I think I know how to proceed. (I'll get stuck again in 23 minutes probably.) Everything seems to take 20 times longer than I ever imagine going into it.
[01:39] <godbyk> That seems pretty typical of my work, too. :)
[01:40] <dsmythies> Thanks for helping
[01:41] <godbyk> No problem!
[16:47] <dsmythies> shaunm: Are you around?
[22:19] <dsmythies> shaunm: My question was about bug 1270314 , but I think I have figured it out.
[22:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1270314 in Ubuntu Documentation "no way to navigate to some pages" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1270314
[22:42] <shaunm> dsmythies: orphans only looks at topic/guide links, which is intended to be the primary navigational structure. so it's entirely possible it reports things as orphans that you can click your way to
[22:43] <shaunm> but the things as orphans are pages where you can't click your way back up using either the link trails or the "More Information" links at the bottom
[22:43] <dsmythies> shaunm: I realize that now, but was pretty confused last night. Thanks.