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mappsmorning06:47
MooDoomorning mapps07:10
mappssup mate07:17
MooDootired, but glad it's friday07:21
MartijnVdSFriday, Friday?07:30
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diploMorning all08:03
MartijnVdS\o08:04
* MartijnVdS purges a few old kernels08:04
MartijnVdSabout, say, 4GB of them08:04
MartijnVdSಠ_ಠ08:04
bashrcmorning08:07
nigelbHurrah, it's a friday!08:08
bashrc\o/08:08
popeypip pip08:11
nigelbAnd I'm nearly done with work.08:11
* nigelb runs.08:11
mapps:)08:13
mappswork nights nigelb ?08:14
mappsraining again ugh08:14
nigelbNope, in a timezone far far away08:14
mappsah08:14
mapps;]08:14
popeyAnyone know of an easy way to select all text in a terminator window?08:33
popeyrather than just click-drag the whole length?08:33
popeynvm, 5 fingers did it08:34
popeymouse click, shift, home08:34
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:38
davmor2bigcalm: morning all09:41
bigcalmdavmor2: still not used to you appearing before 11am09:42
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday and happy Doodle Day! :-D09:42
bigcalmDid you say Doodle Day? http://doodle.com/h7qqfhfk5gcp86ts :)09:43
bigcalmHappy updated kernel day10:13
bigcalmBecause upgrading your kernel on a Friday is the best time to do it :S10:13
foobarryon read-only friday?10:14
bigcalmLiving on the edge (in an LTS world)10:16
MartijnVdScan't wait for the release :)10:17
foobarryof tardy tar?10:18
MartijnVdSyeah10:18
foobarryits gonna gonna tardy10:18
MartijnVdSbeen running the beta on a few test vms, and it's great10:18
bigcalmBeen running 14.04 on the laptop and it works just fine :)10:19
MartijnVdSthat too :)10:19
bigcalmStill a problem with the battery icon no appearing until the battery is low or you resume from sleep10:19
bigcalmOtherwise good10:19
MartijnVdSbigcalm: you can configure that10:19
MartijnVdSbigcalm: or maybe it's your BIOS?10:20
bigcalmI think it's a bug. czajkowski often complains about it as well10:20
bigcalmAnd others10:20
DJonesbigcalm: I'll check mine when the Windows 8.1 update finally finishes downloading and installing10:22
bigcalmTa10:23
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:33
popeyyo10:36
brobostigonmorning popey10:36
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dwatkinsallo allo10:42
brobostigonmorning dwatkins10:44
* dwatkins waves10:44
brobostigono/10:44
shaunoo/10:44
dwatkinssomewhat incredibly, we have sunshine here in Edinburgh10:44
shaunohere too!10:44
dwatkins\o10:44
brobostigonblue skies here also.10:44
shaunowhich can only mean one thing.  the heat-death of the universe10:44
dwatkinsindeed,it must be ragnarok10:44
dwatkinssorry, Ragnarök10:45
dwatkins...which means "final destiny of the gods", and is about as close to "heat death of the universe" as 13th century Norse mythology can get, I'd say.10:46
shaunoI've been reading about those creepy coldwar-era stations that just broadcast nonsense.  One of the more prominent russian ones shut off overnight.  and no-one's quite sure if it's a good thing or not10:46
dwatkinsnumbers stations, shauno?10:47
shaunokinda, yeah  (this one doesn't actually do numbers, but same idea; UVB-76 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )10:47
MartijnVdSshauno: http://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/1zh4i5/for_those_familiar_with_the_russian_numbers/10:48
shaunothat's the one10:49
shaunoas of last night it's just gone silent.  which is kinda creepy for something that's been there for 30+ years10:49
shaunoanyway.  that's my "of course I'm working?" for the morning10:52
foobarryi know a song about that10:56
foobarryhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uMifNKYtug10:56
foobarrythats a german numbers station10:57
bigcalmI've heard other tracks use similar audio. It's quite odd11:00
bigcalmNice track11:01
popeythat reminds me, I started a list of youtube channels worth watching last night11:06
MartijnVdSthat's what the Subscribe button is for, isn't it? ;)11:06
popeyhttps://etherpad.mozilla.org/YouTubers11:06
popeywell, ones from other people11:06
popeyi.e. getting suggestions from something other than youtube itself11:06
foobarrystereolab are in my top 3 all time favourite bands11:07
popey\o/ more appearing magically11:07
foobarryjust seen an email about "coding for girls" worksho11:11
bashrcwhich reminds me.  I should probably try installing etherpad again11:11
bashrcI think more girls should be encouraged to code, and that coding should be regarded in school as a basic literacy skill11:13
popeyThe code club I run is 50/50 boys/girls11:13
MartijnVdSit's a way of thinking that not enough people can do atm :(11:13
foobarryi prefer the idea of making things appealing to all, yeah11:14
bashrcI think learning to code is probably nothing like as hard as learning French or Chinese11:14
foobarryalthough marketing can be done in targeted way11:14
foobarrypython..C...french...perl..chinese?11:16
foobarryi'd prob put french at the easiest end actually11:16
bigcalmpopey: do you know of any papaphobes?11:17
bashrccompared to french C is incredibly simple and unambiguous11:17
foobarrysans blague11:18
foobarryi learned C without any goto's11:18
shaunoI learnt french without any grammar :/11:18
popeybigcalm: pass11:19
foobarrygrammar is the best bit11:19
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Hornethttp://ramblingrant.co.uk/2014/03/06/virgin-media-superhub-7-second-security-flaw/12:07
MartijnVdSnice12:07
shaunodefault passwords are bad, mmkay?12:10
Hornetwell clearly12:11
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davmor2Hornet: I found the superhub was crap at doing both routing and network connection, so swithed it to modem only mode it has no password :)12:17
shaunomine isn't a superhub, but I did the same.  it's still reachable though12:20
shauno(it seems like it shouldn't be, but my router is quite happy to push 192.168 out the wan port, which seems wrong)12:22
foobarrygok wan?12:23
davmor2shauno: mine works correctly12:29
shaunoI'm still not sure if this is correct or not, to be honest.  in modem mode it answers to 192.168.1.1.  since I use 10.x for my lan. 192.168.x gets routed so I can still reach the router12:30
shaunobut I'm not sure it should route 192.168 out the front door, that's bogon territory12:31
foobarryAlanBell: which crm do you use?12:31
foobarryseem to remember you mentioning an OSS one12:32
TheOpenSourcererfoobarry: vtiger or openERP12:33
foobarryta12:34
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daftykin1shauno: i remember the old virgin media cable modems would run a web admin page on 192.168.1.1 or similar, regardless of your actual network12:46
popeythey still do, on http://192.168.100.1/12:47
shaunoyeah, that's what UPC's little pseudo-cisco box is doing too.  it'll always answer 192.168.1.1, no matter what address you've assigned (or not) to it12:48
daftykin1http://www.speedtest.net/result/3354307628.png12:55
daftykin1mates mate that i mentioned got 330/30 FTTP :/12:55
diplofttp? Know of fttc and ftth ?12:56
diploAnd git!12:56
MartijnVdSdiplo: P = permises12:56
daftykin1to the premises12:56
diploah, so I guess that is business related instead of h for homeowners12:57
diplocheers12:57
daftykin1nope!12:57
diploOh :)12:57
daftykin1he's in a new housing development apparently12:57
diploOh right, I thought that was known as FTTH ( Fibre to the home )12:58
diploProbably outdated by me12:58
diploAnd still git!12:58
diploWe have FTTC around here, all around is enabled but....12:58
diploNone of the business areas have been done :(12:58
daftykin1are you in a little one-house black spot?12:58
diploHouses are done, they're not doing businesses any time in the next few years12:59
diploAsked the BT Openreach guy and he said he believes it is because there are say 10 businesses in a place where there could be 40-50 homes, cost ratio12:59
daftykin1ah-har13:00
MartijnVdSand businesses don't use more bandwidth anyway..13:01
MartijnVdSಠ_ಠ13:01
daftykin1hah just noticed my nicj13:01
daftykin1nick too13:01
diploWe're debating EFM here just so we can have a better connection to our Headoffice13:01
diploJust quite expensive13:01
davmor2popey: no in modem mode they don't13:02
davmor2not even13:02
daftykin1diplo: what's that?13:02
popeyyup, they do13:02
popeymine is in modem mode and that url above was copy/pasted from my browser13:02
diploEthernet to the premises basically, we have it at ehadoffice, get 5/5 connection13:02
daftykin1nice13:03
MartijnVdSdiplo: 5/5 mbit over ethernet?13:03
diploEthernet first Mile it stands for13:03
daftykin1ah13:03
diplohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_in_the_first_mile13:03
davmor2popey: hmm let me try then13:03
daftykin1err, does my nick show as daftykin1?13:03
diployeah13:03
diploMartijnVdS: ^13:03
diplodaftykin1: Yup13:03
popeyhttp://imgur.com/VC0wjNl13:03
MartijnVdSdaftykin1: it does13:03
daftykin1weird, client won't change it13:03
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daftykinsah13:03
daftykinsnevermind 8)13:04
davmor2popey: oh yeah how bizarre never worked before, I think I might of been on older software though13:04
MartijnVdSdiplo: that's slower than DSL, which goes up to 40 or 80 here I think13:04
popeyits always worked for me13:04
diploMartijnVdS: You can get higher speeds - Just costs  more! But its not a shared line either13:05
MartijnVdSdiplo: hmm.. just like my fibre (and I'm on the 7th floor)13:05
diploOur office was having issues with speeds going up and down and didn't want to pay for a leased line13:05
davmor2popey: to get out of modem only mode before I used to have to sit with a pin in the rest button for 30seconds as that port was never open13:05
diploNo Fibre for our offices in nottingham13:05
davmor2popey: I had to do some reboots so I'm assuming that pulled in the newer software13:06
davmor2popey: ah wait no this is the replacement superhub so it's newer anyway13:06
DJonesGrr, stupid windows updates, removed/stopped grub loading, just boots straight into windows now13:08
daftykins:(13:08
daftykinsdidn't know it did that13:08
daftykinsit's not even patch Tuesday yet!13:08
DJonesThis was Win 8 to Win 8.1 upgrade13:08
daftykinsoh that's pretty major13:09
daftykinsi'd have just installed from 8.1 media to begin13:09
DJonesHopefully its just a case of booting with live usb, install & run boot-repair13:09
daftykinsshould be :)13:13
DJonesok, confued, if I use the power button, I boot straight into windows, if I use the recovery button to get to a bios boot menu, I can boot the installed version of Ubuntu, am I better installing boot repair on the installed released rather than using a live usb?13:15
DJoness/confued/confused/13:15
MartijnVdSdaftykins: is it uefi?13:16
DJonesMartijnVdS: Yes, with secure boot turned off13:17
MartijnVdSDJones: running grub-install from inside the installed system might help13:17
DJonesMartijnVdS: Thats what I was thinking13:17
DJoneshmmh, no boot-repair available to install13:21
DJonesAh, its a ppa13:21
DJonesBut no trusty package13:24
daftykinsDJones: but you just run grub-install as MartijnVdS said no?13:25
MartijnVdSthat's what I would do13:25
DJonesGood spot, I missed that13:25
MartijnVdSthere's also efibootmgr13:25
MartijnVdSyou can use that to manage stuffs13:25
DJonesgrub-install fixed it, thanks MartijnVdS daftykins13:28
daftykinsthis one's all on him :D13:28
daftykinslol that was funny13:28
daftykinsi accidentally logged into a clients google apps with user as username instead of user@domain13:28
daftykinsit started telling me there was suspicious activity on the account and so it had been disabled13:28
daftykinsgo back and log in properly... sorted13:28
diddledandaftykins: how did it log you in if you used the wrong username?13:37
daftykinsthis is what i wonder13:37
daftykinsthat's how they used to be done, you'd visit your companies' personal login and it'd work13:37
daftykinsnow they've made it one login to rule them all13:37
diddledanwhat happened to chloe on the new series of 24 to make her change her style so radically? http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/03/06/24-EW-Exclusive-02.jpg13:45
shaunodrowned kitten is a style now?13:46
ali1234they are still making that show?13:47
diddledanthey stopped13:47
diddledanjust started up again13:47
daftykinslmao13:50
daftykinswas about to type out a theory before i realised how inappropriate it was13:50
daftykinsshe conveys a bit of an aspie or some such pretty well in the early series13:51
daftykinsi've only seem about half of them though13:51
diddledanaspie?13:51
daftykinssomeone suffering from aspergers or a similar affliction13:52
diddledanaccording to wikipedia the new series is going to be a limited run of 12eps13:52
diddledanaah13:52
daftykinsD: so it should be called 24/213:52
diddledanit's got stephen fry in it!?!13:52
daftykinsoh dear.13:53
diddledanas the british PM no-less13:54
popeyhah13:54
daftykinshehehe13:54
popeysaw him mention that on twitter13:54
foobarrynever seen 24 before13:55
daftykins:O13:56
popeyi used to binge watch that13:56
foobarrya bit like breaking bad, i can't give up 5x24 hrs of my life watching stuff13:56
foobarryor however many series13:56
daftykinsit's best not to think of it in time terms :D13:56
daftykinsfair enough if you'd be using that time far more wisely though13:57
AlanBell /join #ubuntu-design13:57
AlanBellfail13:57
foobarrysleeping13:57
ali1234i have seen one episode of 2413:57
foobarrythe last one?13:58
foobarrythat would save a lot of time13:58
ali1234i don't know which episode it was13:58
shaunoI don't consider TV a huge waste of time because I multitask.  if I just sat on my knees and gazed into it like a kid, then sure13:58
ali1234jack bauer spent the whoel episode hiding in a bush, talking to people on his mobile phone13:58
ali1234and then every fifteen minutes, BEEP BOOP BEEP BOOP13:58
ali1234that's all i can remember about it13:59
diddledanali1234: that's real-time tv for you :-p13:59
foobarrywas he peeing in the bush?13:59
daftykinsseems somewhat an exaggeration ;)13:59
diddledanWEEEEE13:59
daftykinsfoobarry: Jack Bauer never pees13:59
foobarrydoes he spend half an hour per series on a tricky dump?13:59
diddledanan hourly tricky dump would be exhausting14:00
daftykinsguys :P14:00
foobarryper series14:00
diddledanaha14:00
diddledanI misread14:00
foobarry: PermGen space error on tomcat?14:00
diddledanoO_14:01
foobarryor spend entire series 6 suking up and shivering in bed with flu14:01
diddledanI don't think tv people ever get flu?14:01
foobarryor lock their cars14:02
diddledanand yet the thieves always have to use a slimjim on any car they come across - weird14:04
daftykinshrmm got a VPS going 19MB into swap14:04
daftykinstime for more RAM? :)14:04
diddledandaftykins: how big is the VPS?14:04
foobarrygetting persistent ssh attempts from rackspace user...nuaghty14:05
foobarryor just hacked14:05
daftykinsdiddledan: 1GB RAM, hosts one wordpress site and two static sites atm14:05
diddledan1GB should be plenty for a small site14:05
daftykinsbut it's got a lot of automagic management jazz, symbiosis from bigv (Bytemark)14:05
diddledaneww14:05
daftykinsyeah =/14:05
daftykinsi've got two wordpress sites and two static ones on it really, but not many visitors to each14:06
diddledanI just signedf up for the free-tier of redhat's openshit service14:06
diddledanf**14:06
diddledanI have just**14:07
diddledangonna put a node app on there14:07
diddledanthe node app doesn't exist just yet, I need to invent it14:07
daftykinsdiddledan: sounds like you've judged it already :(14:07
diddledanlol14:08
daftykinsbut yeah i probably want to keep all usage out of swap right? :>14:09
shaunonot always.  if you have something in memory that never gets touched, it may as well get shelved14:10
daftykinsin fairness it's staying static if i keep loading up the sites that are on it14:10
diddledanthere's no packaged ubuntu/canonical equivalent anyplace I can see. ubuntu has juju which 1) is too big for me, and 2) doesn't autoscale14:10
shauno(eg, termkit, getty on a vps)14:10
daftykinshmm it's managing it pretty well, usage dropped 240MB when i started loading the sites it hosts, heh14:11
ballDoes Ubuntu use IPP to find printers?14:59
MartijnVdSIPP isn't a discovery protocol I think14:59
MartijnVdSbut it uses IPP to print14:59
ballHmm... ok15:00
directhexIPP isn't for discovery. most printers support multiple discovery protocols though, advertising an IPP presence15:03
directhexe.g. mdns, wins15:03
ballWhich does Ubuntu use?15:04
diddledanavahi/mdns is the standard ball15:36
shaunoI was just reading the cups docs, and it says they use snmp broadcast.  I really hope that's outdated / a bare-faced lie / I read it completely wrong15:36
MartijnVdSshauno: they do several things15:36
diddledanshauno: at least they didn't mistype it as smtp as I've seen others do15:37
davmor2bigcalm: thanks for posting your wristband photo on facebook :)15:37
bigcalmdavmor2: good that it cheered you up15:39
daftykinsdiddledan: lol, what's the email address for your printer?15:41
daftykins;D15:41
shaunobroadcast smtp sounds terrifying yet interesting15:43
MartijnVdShttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Network_Management_Protocol#Autodiscovery15:44
daftykinsXD15:44
diddledaneven better, multicast smtp or maybe anycast smtp15:44
MartijnVdSshauno: SNMP, not SMTP15:44
ali1234broadcast smpte would be quite reasonable though15:44
ali1234if a little unusual for cups15:44
shaunoMartijnVdS: oh I know, referencing diddledan's "at least they didn't mistype .."15:45
bigcalmSomething to cheer your day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZu097wb8wU15:46
ballHmm...15:51
ali1234bigcalm: you might like youngblood brass band then16:04
diddledanrumours are making it into the movie blogosphere that lana and andy wachowski are working on a second trilogy of matrixes16:07
diddledanmatrices?16:07
ballI should probably watch the first ones again.16:08
diddledanbigcalm: either my speakers are failing, or that video is turd or the musicians only know one note each16:09
davmor2bigcalm: 2cellos16:10
bigcalmdiddledan: not everybody likes the same kind of music16:15
ali1234i do16:15
diddledanbigcalm: I think it lost something in the translation to cheapo-phone video16:16
diddledanas in telephone, not saxamaphone16:17
ali1234brass always sounds harsh16:17
ali1234unless they're doing hymns or something16:17
mappsyo16:35
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maps|wrkhello18:11
daftykinso/18:12
maps|wrkbusy busy working away18:12
maps|wrk:D18:12
daftykins^_^18:12
daftykinsstart of your day once again?18:12
maps|wrkanyone know of any good guides for setting up an email server on my home box? just to learn18:12
maps|wrkyes sir18:12
maps|wrk:[18:12
daftykinswowzer18:13
maps|wrkbut 11 days off after tonight..hoorah18:13
maps|wrkgood riddance work18:13
daftykinsi'd always thought home email would be a pain to maintain so i've shyed away from it18:13
daftykinsa friend really wanted me to set it up on his home server but i refused XD18:13
maps|wrk:D18:14
maps|wrkhm need something to watch on 4od18:14
daftykinsthis is solely down to my inexperience though18:14
maps|wrkwatched all of first dates (very funny) ..no new ep of babylon yet hmpf18:14
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ali1234maps|wrk: brass eye18:37
maps|wrkah might check it after18:37
maps|wrkgot a 3 hr break ..i would watrch it now but thing is sometimes 4od/iplayer crash my stupid work pc18:38
maps|wrkthen i have to speak to service desk or someone and well pretend work stuff crashed:)18:38
bashrcyey for work stuff18:52
maps|wrkja18:53
maps|wrkall the stupid vb written apps18:53
maps|wrkO_o18:53
bashrcwell I wrote vb apps once, but that was over a decade ago18:59
maps|wrkthats ok then19:10
maps|wrk:)19:10
maps|wrknot anymore :)19:10
maps|wrkcasino after work or just buy some vodka from tescos..hmm no work on a saturday for once..gonna get drunk19:14
daftykinshttp://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/36d25b6c793ab180701ef1e494bb33a5.html19:14
daftykins*patiently hopes there won't be anymore drops*19:14
maps|wrkfind out why?19:15
daftykinsnope, but had a call logged with the ISP for a while now19:15
daftykinssaw my service disconnected (but not line sync, just authentication) overnight so i got a new IP19:15
maps|wrkhmm19:16
maps|wrkthink id better edit my grub boot menu19:16
maps|wrkif my box restarts it doesnt boot back up..it sits there on the options bit where you can chose ubuntu / memtest etc19:16
daftykinssounds like what happens when there was an issue19:17
daftykinsubuntu defaults to hitting that menu and not picking one as default i think19:17
maps|wrkyea19:17
maps|wrki need to set a default19:17
maps|wrki assume you can ? ive done it before with diff dists19:17
daftykinsi think there's a different way of just disabling that 'safety mechanism'19:17
maps|wrkyea i wouldnt mind removing the menu all together tbh19:18
maps|wrkmaybe i should wait till im in front of the machine:P19:18
daftykinsit's always there whether it's displayed or not :D19:18
maps|wrkif i do it now and reboot..well might not be coming back19:18
daftykinsprobably a wise idea ;)19:18
maps|wrkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-VHBIELZEY - they play the same songs every single year, i am the rsurrection every single time ive been19:20
foobarrybeen sent upstairs. wifey has girl friends round19:22
daftykinsd'aww19:23
foobarrybaby keeps stirring due to loud voices19:23
daftykinsi bet they're making it sound like a chicken coop down there?19:24
foobarrythey are teachers so they all have colds19:26
foobarryso i'm installing redminecrm19:27
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/oyoo0tmlr60x6go/IMG_20140217_165849.jpg20:23
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/uvux8l2yoqgvx59/IMG_20140217_170045.jpg20:23
daftykinsgotta love the 'round town mystery staircases20:24
diddledanfun20:25
maps|wrk SSL connection error20:26
maps|wrkhm20:26
maps|wrkApplication Blocked  Access to the application you were trying to use has been blocked in accordance with company policy. Please contact your system administrator if you believe this is in error.  User: uk365office20:26
maps|wrkargh20:26
maps|wrkhate that20:26
maps|wrkget stupid little messages when reading some news sites if they include an image off like imgurl or somewhere20:27
diddledanuser uk365office?!20:27
maps|wrki removed my name:P20:27
maps|wrkit has /name too20:27
maps|wrkheh20:27
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MartijnVdSpopey: added another channel to your etherpad :)22:00
ali1234MartijnVdS: i was going to ask you for more interesting youtube channels :)22:20
MartijnVdSali1234: even more?22:22
ali1234haha someone else likes birgirpall22:22
ali1234most of my favourite channels post like two videos a year22:47
popeyMartijnVdS: thanks23:01
maps|wrkhm etherpad sounds interesting23:46

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