=== bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm === Azelphur_ is now known as Azelphur [06:47] morning [07:10] morning mapps [07:17] sup mate [07:21] tired, but glad it's friday [07:30] Friday, Friday? === Seeker` is now known as Guest117 === hamitron is now known as Guest48603 === PaulW2U is now known as Guest79190 [08:03] Morning all [08:04] \o [08:04] * MartijnVdS purges a few old kernels [08:04] about, say, 4GB of them [08:04] ಠ_ಠ [08:07] morning [08:08] Hurrah, it's a friday! [08:08] \o/ [08:11] pip pip [08:11] And I'm nearly done with work. [08:11] * nigelb runs. [08:13] :) [08:14] work nights nigelb ? [08:14] raining again ugh [08:14] Nope, in a timezone far far away [08:14] ah [08:14] ;] [08:33] Anyone know of an easy way to select all text in a terminator window? [08:33] rather than just click-drag the whole length? [08:34] nvm, 5 fingers did it [08:34] mouse click, shift, home [09:38] Good morning peeps :) [09:41] bigcalm: morning all [09:42] davmor2: still not used to you appearing before 11am [09:42] Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Doodle Day! :-D [09:43] Did you say Doodle Day? http://doodle.com/h7qqfhfk5gcp86ts :) [10:13] Happy updated kernel day [10:13] Because upgrading your kernel on a Friday is the best time to do it :S [10:14] on read-only friday? [10:16] Living on the edge (in an LTS world) [10:17] can't wait for the release :) [10:18] of tardy tar? [10:18] yeah [10:18] its gonna gonna tardy [10:18] been running the beta on a few test vms, and it's great [10:19] Been running 14.04 on the laptop and it works just fine :) [10:19] that too :) [10:19] Still a problem with the battery icon no appearing until the battery is low or you resume from sleep [10:19] Otherwise good [10:19] bigcalm: you can configure that [10:20] bigcalm: or maybe it's your BIOS? [10:20] I think it's a bug. czajkowski often complains about it as well [10:20] And others [10:22] bigcalm: I'll check mine when the Windows 8.1 update finally finishes downloading and installing [10:23] Ta === Guest79190 is now known as PaulW2U === PaulW2U is now known as Guest51244 [10:33] morning boys and girls. [10:36] yo [10:36] morning popey === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:42] allo allo [10:44] morning dwatkins [10:44] * dwatkins waves [10:44] o/ [10:44] o/ [10:44] somewhat incredibly, we have sunshine here in Edinburgh [10:44] here too! [10:44] \o [10:44] blue skies here also. [10:44] which can only mean one thing. the heat-death of the universe [10:44] indeed,it must be ragnarok [10:45] sorry, Ragnarök [10:46] ...which means "final destiny of the gods", and is about as close to "heat death of the universe" as 13th century Norse mythology can get, I'd say. [10:46] I've been reading about those creepy coldwar-era stations that just broadcast nonsense. One of the more prominent russian ones shut off overnight. and no-one's quite sure if it's a good thing or not [10:47] numbers stations, shauno? [10:47] kinda, yeah (this one doesn't actually do numbers, but same idea; UVB-76 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) [10:48] shauno: http://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/1zh4i5/for_those_familiar_with_the_russian_numbers/ [10:49] that's the one [10:49] as of last night it's just gone silent. which is kinda creepy for something that's been there for 30+ years [10:52] anyway. that's my "of course I'm working?" for the morning [10:56] i know a song about that [10:56] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uMifNKYtug [10:57] thats a german numbers station [11:00] I've heard other tracks use similar audio. It's quite odd [11:01] Nice track [11:06] that reminds me, I started a list of youtube channels worth watching last night [11:06] that's what the Subscribe button is for, isn't it? ;) [11:06] https://etherpad.mozilla.org/YouTubers [11:06] well, ones from other people [11:06] i.e. getting suggestions from something other than youtube itself [11:07] stereolab are in my top 3 all time favourite bands [11:07] \o/ more appearing magically [11:11] just seen an email about "coding for girls" worksho [11:11] which reminds me. I should probably try installing etherpad again [11:13] I think more girls should be encouraged to code, and that coding should be regarded in school as a basic literacy skill [11:13] The code club I run is 50/50 boys/girls [11:13] it's a way of thinking that not enough people can do atm :( [11:14] i prefer the idea of making things appealing to all, yeah [11:14] I think learning to code is probably nothing like as hard as learning French or Chinese [11:14] although marketing can be done in targeted way [11:16] python..C...french...perl..chinese? [11:16] i'd prob put french at the easiest end actually [11:17] popey: do you know of any papaphobes? [11:17] compared to french C is incredibly simple and unambiguous [11:18] sans blague [11:18] i learned C without any goto's [11:18] I learnt french without any grammar :/ [11:19] bigcalm: pass [11:19] grammar is the best bit === Guest117 is now known as Seeker` [12:07] http://ramblingrant.co.uk/2014/03/06/virgin-media-superhub-7-second-security-flaw/ [12:07] nice [12:10] default passwords are bad, mmkay? [12:11] well clearly === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:17] Hornet: I found the superhub was crap at doing both routing and network connection, so swithed it to modem only mode it has no password :) [12:20] mine isn't a superhub, but I did the same. it's still reachable though [12:22] (it seems like it shouldn't be, but my router is quite happy to push 192.168 out the wan port, which seems wrong) [12:23] gok wan? [12:29] shauno: mine works correctly [12:30] I'm still not sure if this is correct or not, to be honest. in modem mode it answers to 192.168.1.1. since I use 10.x for my lan. 192.168.x gets routed so I can still reach the router [12:31] but I'm not sure it should route 192.168 out the front door, that's bogon territory [12:31] AlanBell: which crm do you use? [12:32] seem to remember you mentioning an OSS one [12:33] foobarry: vtiger or openERP [12:34] ta === Guest51244 is now known as PaulW2U [12:46] shauno: i remember the old virgin media cable modems would run a web admin page on 192.168.1.1 or similar, regardless of your actual network [12:47] they still do, on http://192.168.100.1/ [12:48] yeah, that's what UPC's little pseudo-cisco box is doing too. it'll always answer 192.168.1.1, no matter what address you've assigned (or not) to it [12:55] http://www.speedtest.net/result/3354307628.png [12:55] mates mate that i mentioned got 330/30 FTTP :/ [12:56] fttp? Know of fttc and ftth ? [12:56] And git! [12:56] diplo: P = permises [12:56] to the premises [12:57] ah, so I guess that is business related instead of h for homeowners [12:57] cheers [12:57] nope! [12:57] Oh :) [12:57] he's in a new housing development apparently [12:58] Oh right, I thought that was known as FTTH ( Fibre to the home ) [12:58] Probably outdated by me [12:58] And still git! [12:58] We have FTTC around here, all around is enabled but.... [12:58] None of the business areas have been done :( [12:58] are you in a little one-house black spot? [12:59] Houses are done, they're not doing businesses any time in the next few years [12:59] Asked the BT Openreach guy and he said he believes it is because there are say 10 businesses in a place where there could be 40-50 homes, cost ratio [13:00] ah-har [13:01] and businesses don't use more bandwidth anyway.. [13:01] ಠ_ಠ [13:01] hah just noticed my nicj [13:01] nick too [13:01] We're debating EFM here just so we can have a better connection to our Headoffice [13:01] Just quite expensive [13:02] popey: no in modem mode they don't [13:02] not even [13:02] diplo: what's that? [13:02] yup, they do [13:02] mine is in modem mode and that url above was copy/pasted from my browser [13:02] Ethernet to the premises basically, we have it at ehadoffice, get 5/5 connection [13:03] nice [13:03] diplo: 5/5 mbit over ethernet? [13:03] Ethernet first Mile it stands for [13:03] ah [13:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_in_the_first_mile [13:03] popey: hmm let me try then [13:03] err, does my nick show as daftykin1? [13:03] yeah [13:03] MartijnVdS: ^ [13:03] daftykin1: Yup [13:03] http://imgur.com/VC0wjNl [13:03] daftykin1: it does [13:03] weird, client won't change it === daftykin1 is now known as daftykins [13:03] ah [13:04] nevermind 8) [13:04] popey: oh yeah how bizarre never worked before, I think I might of been on older software though [13:04] diplo: that's slower than DSL, which goes up to 40 or 80 here I think [13:04] its always worked for me [13:05] MartijnVdS: You can get higher speeds - Just costs more! But its not a shared line either [13:05] diplo: hmm.. just like my fibre (and I'm on the 7th floor) [13:05] Our office was having issues with speeds going up and down and didn't want to pay for a leased line [13:05] popey: to get out of modem only mode before I used to have to sit with a pin in the rest button for 30seconds as that port was never open [13:05] No Fibre for our offices in nottingham [13:06] popey: I had to do some reboots so I'm assuming that pulled in the newer software [13:06] popey: ah wait no this is the replacement superhub so it's newer anyway [13:08] Grr, stupid windows updates, removed/stopped grub loading, just boots straight into windows now [13:08] :( [13:08] didn't know it did that [13:08] it's not even patch Tuesday yet! [13:08] This was Win 8 to Win 8.1 upgrade [13:09] oh that's pretty major [13:09] i'd have just installed from 8.1 media to begin [13:09] Hopefully its just a case of booting with live usb, install & run boot-repair [13:13] should be :) [13:15] ok, confued, if I use the power button, I boot straight into windows, if I use the recovery button to get to a bios boot menu, I can boot the installed version of Ubuntu, am I better installing boot repair on the installed released rather than using a live usb? [13:15] s/confued/confused/ [13:16] daftykins: is it uefi? [13:17] MartijnVdS: Yes, with secure boot turned off [13:17] DJones: running grub-install from inside the installed system might help [13:17] MartijnVdS: Thats what I was thinking [13:21] hmmh, no boot-repair available to install [13:21] Ah, its a ppa [13:24] But no trusty package [13:25] DJones: but you just run grub-install as MartijnVdS said no? [13:25] that's what I would do [13:25] Good spot, I missed that [13:25] there's also efibootmgr [13:25] you can use that to manage stuffs [13:28] grub-install fixed it, thanks MartijnVdS daftykins [13:28] this one's all on him :D [13:28] lol that was funny [13:28] i accidentally logged into a clients google apps with user as username instead of user@domain [13:28] it started telling me there was suspicious activity on the account and so it had been disabled [13:28] go back and log in properly... sorted [13:37] daftykins: how did it log you in if you used the wrong username? [13:37] this is what i wonder [13:37] that's how they used to be done, you'd visit your companies' personal login and it'd work [13:37] now they've made it one login to rule them all [13:45] what happened to chloe on the new series of 24 to make her change her style so radically? http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/03/06/24-EW-Exclusive-02.jpg [13:46] drowned kitten is a style now? [13:47] they are still making that show? [13:47] they stopped [13:47] just started up again [13:50] lmao [13:50] was about to type out a theory before i realised how inappropriate it was [13:51] she conveys a bit of an aspie or some such pretty well in the early series [13:51] i've only seem about half of them though [13:51] aspie? [13:52] someone suffering from aspergers or a similar affliction [13:52] according to wikipedia the new series is going to be a limited run of 12eps [13:52] aah [13:52] D: so it should be called 24/2 [13:52] it's got stephen fry in it!?! [13:53] oh dear. [13:54] as the british PM no-less [13:54] hah [13:54] hehehe [13:54] saw him mention that on twitter [13:55] never seen 24 before [13:56] :O [13:56] i used to binge watch that [13:56] a bit like breaking bad, i can't give up 5x24 hrs of my life watching stuff [13:56] or however many series [13:56] it's best not to think of it in time terms :D [13:57] fair enough if you'd be using that time far more wisely though [13:57] /join #ubuntu-design [13:57] fail [13:57] sleeping [13:57] i have seen one episode of 24 [13:58] the last one? [13:58] that would save a lot of time [13:58] i don't know which episode it was [13:58] I don't consider TV a huge waste of time because I multitask. if I just sat on my knees and gazed into it like a kid, then sure [13:58] jack bauer spent the whoel episode hiding in a bush, talking to people on his mobile phone [13:58] and then every fifteen minutes, BEEP BOOP BEEP BOOP [13:59] that's all i can remember about it [13:59] ali1234: that's real-time tv for you :-p [13:59] was he peeing in the bush? [13:59] seems somewhat an exaggeration ;) [13:59] WEEEEE [13:59] foobarry: Jack Bauer never pees [13:59] does he spend half an hour per series on a tricky dump? [14:00] an hourly tricky dump would be exhausting [14:00] guys :P [14:00] per series [14:00] aha [14:00] I misread [14:00] : PermGen space error on tomcat? [14:01] oO_ [14:01] or spend entire series 6 suking up and shivering in bed with flu [14:01] I don't think tv people ever get flu? [14:02] or lock their cars [14:04] and yet the thieves always have to use a slimjim on any car they come across - weird [14:04] hrmm got a VPS going 19MB into swap [14:04] time for more RAM? :) [14:04] daftykins: how big is the VPS? [14:05] getting persistent ssh attempts from rackspace user...nuaghty [14:05] or just hacked [14:05] diddledan: 1GB RAM, hosts one wordpress site and two static sites atm [14:05] 1GB should be plenty for a small site [14:05] but it's got a lot of automagic management jazz, symbiosis from bigv (Bytemark) [14:05] eww [14:05] yeah =/ [14:06] i've got two wordpress sites and two static ones on it really, but not many visitors to each [14:06] I just signedf up for the free-tier of redhat's openshit service [14:06] f** [14:07] I have just** [14:07] gonna put a node app on there [14:07] the node app doesn't exist just yet, I need to invent it [14:07] diddledan: sounds like you've judged it already :( [14:08] lol [14:09] but yeah i probably want to keep all usage out of swap right? :> [14:10] not always. if you have something in memory that never gets touched, it may as well get shelved [14:10] in fairness it's staying static if i keep loading up the sites that are on it [14:10] there's no packaged ubuntu/canonical equivalent anyplace I can see. ubuntu has juju which 1) is too big for me, and 2) doesn't autoscale [14:10] (eg, termkit, getty on a vps) [14:11] hmm it's managing it pretty well, usage dropped 240MB when i started loading the sites it hosts, heh [14:59] Does Ubuntu use IPP to find printers? [14:59] IPP isn't a discovery protocol I think [14:59] but it uses IPP to print [15:00] Hmm... ok [15:03] IPP isn't for discovery. most printers support multiple discovery protocols though, advertising an IPP presence [15:03] e.g. mdns, wins [15:04] Which does Ubuntu use? [15:36] avahi/mdns is the standard ball [15:36] I was just reading the cups docs, and it says they use snmp broadcast. I really hope that's outdated / a bare-faced lie / I read it completely wrong [15:36] shauno: they do several things [15:37] shauno: at least they didn't mistype it as smtp as I've seen others do [15:37] bigcalm: thanks for posting your wristband photo on facebook :) [15:39] davmor2: good that it cheered you up [15:41] diddledan: lol, what's the email address for your printer? [15:41] ;D [15:43] broadcast smtp sounds terrifying yet interesting [15:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Network_Management_Protocol#Autodiscovery [15:44] XD [15:44] even better, multicast smtp or maybe anycast smtp [15:44] shauno: SNMP, not SMTP [15:44] broadcast smpte would be quite reasonable though [15:44] if a little unusual for cups [15:45] MartijnVdS: oh I know, referencing diddledan's "at least they didn't mistype .." [15:46] Something to cheer your day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZu097wb8wU [15:51] Hmm... [16:04] bigcalm: you might like youngblood brass band then [16:07] rumours are making it into the movie blogosphere that lana and andy wachowski are working on a second trilogy of matrixes [16:07] matrices? [16:08] I should probably watch the first ones again. [16:09] bigcalm: either my speakers are failing, or that video is turd or the musicians only know one note each [16:10] bigcalm: 2cellos [16:15] diddledan: not everybody likes the same kind of music [16:15] i do [16:16] bigcalm: I think it lost something in the translation to cheapo-phone video [16:17] as in telephone, not saxamaphone [16:17] brass always sounds harsh [16:17] unless they're doing hymns or something [16:35] yo === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [18:11] hello [18:12] o/ [18:12] busy busy working away [18:12] :D [18:12] ^_^ [18:12] start of your day once again? [18:12] anyone know of any good guides for setting up an email server on my home box? just to learn [18:12] yes sir [18:12] :[ [18:13] wowzer [18:13] but 11 days off after tonight..hoorah [18:13] good riddance work [18:13] i'd always thought home email would be a pain to maintain so i've shyed away from it [18:13] a friend really wanted me to set it up on his home server but i refused XD [18:14] :D [18:14] hm need something to watch on 4od [18:14] this is solely down to my inexperience though [18:14] watched all of first dates (very funny) ..no new ep of babylon yet hmpf === webpigeon_ is now known as WebPigeon [18:37] maps|wrk: brass eye [18:37] ah might check it after [18:38] got a 3 hr break ..i would watrch it now but thing is sometimes 4od/iplayer crash my stupid work pc [18:38] then i have to speak to service desk or someone and well pretend work stuff crashed:) [18:52] yey for work stuff [18:53] ja [18:53] all the stupid vb written apps [18:53] O_o [18:59] well I wrote vb apps once, but that was over a decade ago [19:10] thats ok then [19:10] :) [19:10] not anymore :) [19:14] casino after work or just buy some vodka from tescos..hmm no work on a saturday for once..gonna get drunk [19:14] http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/36d25b6c793ab180701ef1e494bb33a5.html [19:14] *patiently hopes there won't be anymore drops* [19:15] find out why? [19:15] nope, but had a call logged with the ISP for a while now [19:15] saw my service disconnected (but not line sync, just authentication) overnight so i got a new IP [19:16] hmm [19:16] think id better edit my grub boot menu [19:16] if my box restarts it doesnt boot back up..it sits there on the options bit where you can chose ubuntu / memtest etc [19:17] sounds like what happens when there was an issue [19:17] ubuntu defaults to hitting that menu and not picking one as default i think [19:17] yea [19:17] i need to set a default [19:17] i assume you can ? ive done it before with diff dists [19:17] i think there's a different way of just disabling that 'safety mechanism' [19:18] yea i wouldnt mind removing the menu all together tbh [19:18] maybe i should wait till im in front of the machine:P [19:18] it's always there whether it's displayed or not :D [19:18] if i do it now and reboot..well might not be coming back [19:18] probably a wise idea ;) [19:20] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-VHBIELZEY - they play the same songs every single year, i am the rsurrection every single time ive been [19:22] been sent upstairs. wifey has girl friends round [19:23] d'aww [19:23] baby keeps stirring due to loud voices [19:24] i bet they're making it sound like a chicken coop down there? [19:26] they are teachers so they all have colds [19:27] so i'm installing redminecrm [20:23] https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyoo0tmlr60x6go/IMG_20140217_165849.jpg [20:23] https://www.dropbox.com/s/uvux8l2yoqgvx59/IMG_20140217_170045.jpg [20:24] gotta love the 'round town mystery staircases [20:25] fun [20:26] SSL connection error [20:26] hm [20:26] Application Blocked Access to the application you were trying to use has been blocked in accordance with company policy. Please contact your system administrator if you believe this is in error. User: uk365office [20:26] argh [20:26] hate that [20:27] get stupid little messages when reading some news sites if they include an image off like imgurl or somewhere [20:27] user uk365office?! [20:27] i removed my name:P [20:27] it has /name too [20:27] heh === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [22:00] popey: added another channel to your etherpad :) [22:20] MartijnVdS: i was going to ask you for more interesting youtube channels :) [22:22] ali1234: even more? [22:22] haha someone else likes birgirpall [22:47] most of my favourite channels post like two videos a year [23:01]