[00:38] why did it happen again? === redacted is now known as mrgoodcat [00:44] what happened mrgoodcat? [00:49] party party [00:51] woo party party [00:51] also woo Amy's getting rid of Razer stuff [00:51] speaking of, anyone want to buy a DeathAdder and a BlackWidow? [00:51] :-P [00:55] $75 for the set... separate: $30 for the DeathAdder (retail $70) and $60 for the BlackWidow (retail $100). [00:57] gamerchick02: the network at WMU is having major problems today [00:57] oh no! [00:58] that's horrible. :( [00:58] one of the net ops screwed up and wiped out all the VLANS and took down the network for the whole university at around 2:30 [00:58] and the network reset at 7:00 probably as part of fixing it [00:58] :( [00:58] and that makes it hard to do any work, yeah? [01:20] gamerchick02: $75 for a set!!? oh how I wish I had $75 to give you [01:21] well i paid $75 for the board (blue switches, macro keys, no backlighting) and the mouse was on sale too... like $50 i think. not sure [01:21] they're older models. [01:21] and if you want them you're welcome to them. $75 is a good price for the set, i think [01:22] oh and they're CLEAN. i don't eat at my desk at my apartment. [01:22] i won't have the money to spend on it for a while and I don't like to drive to oakland county :) [01:22] i just wish I did have the money and did like to drive to oakland county, in this case :) [01:23] well if you have the money and are in oakland county and i still have them and you still want them, we can meet at a Tim Horton's or something. [01:23] jrwren, you're not in the detroit area, i take it? [01:23] Ann Arbor [01:23] oh dang [01:23] i'm not in Ann Arbor like ever [01:24] and i see why you don't come up here. the drive is horrible [01:30] exactly [01:30] i do come up occasionally to see family. [01:30] next time I do, i'll ping ya to see if you haven't sold 'em. [01:30] but i imagine you could sell those pretty quick. [01:31] i've not advertised much, just told a couple people at work and then in the irc room here [01:32] i have a flyer but no pics on it. dunno if that makes a difference or not [02:10] jrwren, do you want me to hold them for you? [02:24] whoa: http://battle-stations.tumblr.com/ [02:54] hitting the hay. g'night everyone === JonathanS is now known as JonathanD [12:39] Good moring [12:39] I hope your ships are all berthed accordingly. [12:40] (How about this: Good morning) [12:44] hah [12:44] had to read that twice [13:06] <3 <3 <3 http://xkcd.com/1339/ === smoser` is now known as smoser [13:18] :P [13:49] What do you guys use for backups? I think rick_h_ uses a Synology NAS correct? [13:50] yep, synology nas + cron'd rsync + dropbox + s3 + replicating across 3 computers [13:50] + github I should say [13:50] Which Synology? 212J? [13:50] cmaloney: For personal I use crashplan [13:51] rick_h_: About how much are you backing up? [13:51] Crashplan and Dropbox, with Crashplan excluding anything in Dropbox [13:51] brousch: Yeah, I'm not 100% sure I need crashplan [13:51] It just works (but requires Java) [13:51] (he said knocking on whatever is in this Ikea desk) [13:51] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005YW7OLM/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 [13:52] cmaloney: so I backup my $HOME on each computer and my wife's machine. Each time I upgrade I create a new directory on the NAS to rsync to, so I've got 5 copies of my x230 for instance. [13:52] cmaloney: I've got about 1.3TB on the NAS [13:52] I only have my music on the desktop and back that up [13:53] pics are in flickr [13:53] kk. I'm finding that the 2TB drive I have via USB isn't cutting it anymore [13:53] yea, I've got 3TB in my NAS and it backs up every monday to a USB 3TB [13:53] I upgraded from 2's [13:53] (I've got two drives in mirror) [13:53] right [13:53] at some point I might go to 4's [13:53] but will wait a bit longer still [13:55] I like the Synology at work [14:00] cmaloney: http://uploads.mitechie.com/synology.png [14:03] I like how rick_h_'s home NAS has 2.5x more storage than my work NAS [14:03] lol [14:03] it's fitting, my desktop probably has 2.5x the ram :P [14:04] I like to have better stuff at home than the office would give [14:04] Maybe. We are all on ThinkCentre i5s with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSDs now [14:04] hmm, I guess I need bigger SSDs [14:04] but yea, 4x the ram [14:05] We finally madesome money, so I bought high spec machines in case they have to last 6 years again [14:05] ouch! 6yr? [14:06] "yay we can get LCDs!" [14:06] he [14:06] We actually had LCDs [14:06] heh [14:06] Now they're everyon'e second monitor [14:06] 17" [14:06] "but but my child's toy has better resolution than this work monitor?" [14:06] 24" 1080P all-in-ones with 19" 1280x1024 seconds [14:07] you will use your 1MP conference camera and enjoy it! [14:08] I'm actually really happy with the current desktops. The speed is phenominal compared to the 2006-era crap we had [14:09] Well yeah, you finally caught up [14:10] Great, my "Mr Jingles" blocker extension broke this morning [14:10] Mr Jingles blocker extension? [14:10] w...t...f? [14:11] Why would you block Mr. Jingles? How can he play with your bells if you block him? [14:12] rick_h_: I have ADD when it comes to seeing that little bell with a number by it. [14:12] It's like seeing an answering machine with a blinking light [14:12] I have to know what's in there. [14:12] There's someone at work who has her phone voicemail light constantly on [14:13] I want to just go over there and ask her to kindly listen to the message [14:13] I know it's none of my business [14:14] but I would pay her, I swear. [14:14] lol [14:14] "Where's my phone?!" [14:15] "You can have it back when you can use it responsibly" [14:15] "Like LISTEN TO YOUR MESSAGES!" [14:22] cmaloney: my voicemail light is always on... It has this annoying feature that unless I save or delete a voicemail, it is considered "new". I hate it [14:22] ouch [14:22] duct tape, here we come [14:23] Thankfully, people tend not to call me unless the importance is the same level of that as me on fire [14:30] i use s3 for backups [14:31] never heard of it [14:31] i need to rework it so that its per file instead of a tarball, and gpg each file. [14:31] s3? [14:31] yea [14:31] AWS S3 - Simple Storage Service [14:31] its probably the single largest file storage system in human history [14:32] ah okay [14:32] :) [14:32] I just have access to a few servers scattered around the country that I scp to on a regular basis, so I have not been keeping up with backup systems [14:33] its not a backup system. [14:33] I'll have to check it out [14:33] its technically an object data store. ;] [14:33] i find the distinction rather silly [14:33] heh [14:34] i suppose its because it predates everything being cloud. [14:34] we'd have just called them cloud file systems. [14:34] cool. It sounds cloud-like to me [14:34] but we need some word to separate it from a filesystem in a disk [14:35] it was cloud before cloud was a thing :) [14:35] hehe. :) [14:35] and distributed filesystem came with such baggage, we didn't want to use that word [14:35] but that is what it really is [14:35] that it is [14:35] DrDaemonEye: to be clear, s3 isn't a consumer backup system. its an api for programmers. [14:36] ah okay. Still, something for me to look into [14:37] Does JungleDisk still use S3 as its storage? [14:37] That was the first consumer-grade S3 backup I remember [14:37] I kind of want to stay away from aything non OSS. [14:37] synology is pushing it but I trust them for some strange reason [14:38] cmaloney: what about amazon? [14:38] I trust them to be dumb storage [14:38] ok [14:38] but I have a little problem with them: a) I don't understand S3 that well, and b) what happens if the check bounces one month? [14:39] Problem A can be solved by using it, so that's a non-issue [14:39] yeah, s3 is very easy to use, espeically with boto. [14:39] s3cmd [14:40] boto [14:40] Doesn't Ubuntu have an S3 backup system now? [14:40] (though I don't use that still) [14:40] i did not like s3cmd [14:40] no? everyone tells me I should be using that [14:40] brousch: It uses Duplicity which can support a number of backends. [14:40] Maybe this http://www.duplicati.com/ [14:40] rick_h_: they are wrong. [14:40] rick_h_: these days you should be using awscli. [14:40] ah [14:41] that's the new boto replacement right? [14:41] well, has boto common under it [14:41] yes [14:41] yea, I've not played with that yet [14:41] its the thing that replaced the java tools. *CHEER* [14:41] and there was much rejoicing [14:42] anything that replaces Java is A-OK in my book [14:42] as long as it's still cross-platform. [14:42] unless it's ruby..then maybe [14:42] rick_h_: Damn you for taking my ultimatium and ruining it [14:42] lol [14:43] ultimatium: what wolverine's lawyer's claws are made of [14:44] ruby is still better. [14:44] jrwren: Ruby is a PITA at times [14:44] ruby++ [14:44] with java, i don't know how to do anything. [14:44] RVM still makes my teeth hurt [14:44] i don't use rvm anymore [14:44] rvm isn't that bad. [14:44] it's all about chruby now [14:45] really?!? [14:45] wget -O chruby-0.3.8.tar.gz https://github.com/postmodern/chruby/archive/v0.3.8.tar.gz [14:45] what happened to rbenv? [14:45] oh rbenv is nice too [14:45] i just use chruby [14:45] jrwren: I'll take packaged java over non-packaged ruby software most of the time :) [14:45] At least it appears to have an install process that doesn't require me to run a shell script from github [14:45] lol [14:45] chruby is just nicer [14:45] rick_h_: i've never seen non-packaged ruby. [14:45] I can at least look at it first. [14:45] look, that's standard practice now [14:45] jrwren: rvm [14:46] cmaloney: that is packaged. [14:46] cmaloney: that is also, mostly bash scripts :p [14:46] rbenv depends on shims and weird context switching [14:46] \curl -sSL https://get.rvm.io | bash <- This is not an install [14:46] and you have to use rbenv rehash all the time [14:46] This is an attack vector [14:46] cmaloney: lol [14:47] it even puts a slash in front in case you've overridden curl to not allow this [14:48] That's the kind of thing that comes from people who think it's an awesomeo idea to have irc open any link that pops up in channel [14:48] Man, i"m making all the right typos today. [14:48] rick_h_, are you on trusty? [14:49] jcastro: yes [14:49] 3 machines on it [14:49] my trackpoint stopped working [14:49] pad works fine [14:49] ?! [14:49] there's not some funky keycode to turn that on and off accidentally is there? [14:49] not that I know of. Only bios controls [14:49] I use that to turn off the pad [14:53] Ditch the nips! Pad is the future! [14:54] how do you two finger and three finger swipe with a nub? [14:54] jrwren: you use the middle mouse button to scroll [14:54] (two finger) [14:54] I have been using the pad for 10 minutes, and I already want to punch someone [14:54] and you use your keybaord shortcuts for swipe [14:54] barbaric! [14:54] jcastro: when I'm on my air I get angry [14:55] swipe? why am I swiping on my laptop? [14:55] that is because its a shitty lenovo chinese pad. you need a real bad, from AAPL, american! [14:55] jcastro: because it's the only wayt to change desktops and such [14:55] what? [14:55] man, kb shortcuts dawg [14:55] jrwren: thinkpad keyboard and trackpoint > apple trackpad [14:55] MERCA! [14:55] rick_h_: never. [14:55] jrwren: I speak the truth! [14:55] I didn't touch my bios but I'm going to go check [14:55] shitty air keyboard [14:56] do you like some mush with your mush [14:56] yup. [14:56] Why do you think I make so many typos in here? [14:56] lol [14:57] the frustrating thing is every PC laptop maker is following apple with the keyboard and pad [14:57] race to the bottom [14:57] yep [14:57] "people must want touchpads the size of aircraft carriers and keys that travel .00001mm, SHIP IT." [14:57] * rick_h_ remembers to see if anyone looked at his discourse reply on the matter [14:58] preach it brother, I read it [14:59] I will heart your response though [14:59] and right there is why discourse fails for me. you have to remember. [14:59] well I think it emails me [14:59] then it succeeds! [14:59] but I didn't get an email yet and there's a reply...fail [15:00] rick_h_, it won't mail you unless I do @rick PREACH IT! [15:00] hah [15:00] so he's going to go sys76 [15:00] that's cool, I wish them all the best [15:00] just don't care for their laptops, not high enough quality [15:00] After the last revs of thinkpads [15:00] I think the era of laptops is over [15:00] ugh, don't say that [15:00] I got a $200 piece of junk chromebook [15:00] (as I type on my desktop) [15:00] and it's good enough [15:01] I guess I'll buy one of those every year instead of one good laptop that lasts me three. :( [15:01] guess I'll be hugging my 230 for a while. I'll be one of those crazy linux fools 6 years into a laptop [15:01] with the keys wiped and unreadable [15:02] man [15:02] and a battery life of 3 minutes [15:02] let's hope my trackpoint working is not a hw issue [15:03] $5 says he forgot to put us on auto-join [15:03] I'm afraid to run updates [15:05] whew [15:06] all set [15:06] I think maybe it broke when I was waking up from resume, if it happens again I'll report a bug [15:07] jcastro: ok Im afraid to upgrade [15:07] but welcome back to the civilized world [15:08] new kernel last night [15:08] hmm, /me notes to try to upgrade the mac [15:08] but everything works fine on the 230, other than the brightness is non adjustable after resume, but I need to find time to report it [15:18] cmaloney: if its running linux 3minutes is pretty good bat life. [15:27] ;) [15:34] It is the era of the Tablet [15:35] its really not [15:35] i still say those are consumption devices and that production is still primarily on laptop & desktop [15:35] It is coming [15:36] Keyboard is the biggest problem [15:37] brousch: keyboard, storage [15:37] CPU [15:38] battery life if pushed [15:41] CPU and storage only matter if you're developing locally. You should be doing it in the cloud [15:47] I think form factors like MS Surface Pro or Lenovo Yoga 2 are the future. Tablet when you want it, keyboard dock when you need it [15:50] i feel content is more important than form factor. [15:50] You mean having a full OS like OSX, Windows, Linux instead of Android/iOS? [15:52] no [15:52] i mean content. [15:52] apps [15:53] people don't care about OS or filesystems or filemanagers (finder v. explorer) [15:53] So if your ipad had all the apps you need to do what you want, you'd ditch your laptop? [16:07] yea, it's scary to see moden tech users [16:07] my wife does 99% of her email on a phone [16:07] if it won't work/load on a phone it's dead to her [16:07] the only time she breaks out her laptop is to upload photos from the camera or entering patient notes on her work laptop [16:07] but form factor dictates content [16:07] definitely [16:07] yea, I easily see a chromebook populace with a small percentage of desktops/laptops for the creators [16:07] I think most 'users' would/will [16:07] if i have a list a = [1,2,3] and b = [1,4,5], is there a function to only return the values of b that are not in a ([4,5])? or do i need to roll my own function for that? [16:07] look at the set() data type [16:07] it'll do it for you [16:07] ty [16:09] rick_h_: Well if you're creating for Chromebook, you can just do it on a remote server, no laptop required. You will only need a laptop/desktop if you're creating the actual OS [16:12] Same with Android. You will develop normal Android apps on Android, but need a full computer to develop Android itself (or ROMs) [16:29] i already ditched standard laptop in favor of chromebook [16:30] but run linux on it [16:34] mrgoodcat: That doesn't count :P [16:38] :) [16:38] time for lunch [17:21] brousch: no, i need a KB :) [19:22] waf: pebble 2.0 on android now [19:22] :) [19:35] nice! [19:36] and bookie hits 90K [19:38] Do you have a chart of the stats over time? [19:38] I've got the data, no chart [19:38] I count bookmarks, unique bookmarks, and tags every hour [19:38] get one of your slaves on it [19:39] I mean students [19:39] heh, one's working on a chart for per user counts right now [19:54] crap, and another import in the queue. Go celery go [20:01] alternatives to protocol buffers. go: [20:02] to google's protobuf or just in general? [20:03] in general. [20:03] xml too bloated, json has no forward only readers, so those two are out. [20:03] so the goal is to do fast communication between services? [20:03] hmm, does bson have forward readers? [20:04] good question [20:08] jrwren: I mean thrift is the big guy in the space. I've heard a lot of good things in proobuf, there's a few alternatives I can't speak intelligently on [20:08] and I'd check out bson as far as a more effecient json if you just need that [20:10] thrift is rpc framework no? [20:10] message passing [20:11] at least I believe it's what you're looking for if you're looking at protobuf and such [20:11] i see it now. [20:12] bummer about thrift is they seem to focus on api & let impls deal with details of getting wire protocol correct [20:25] thanks rick_h_ [20:25] jrwren: yea sorry I don't have a good answer. I've not really needed these myself [20:28] still, its more than I knew. [20:28] i thought thrift was something else [20:35] am tip: rm -f /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch [20:35] on your servers. [21:01] is there an option to tell add-apt-repository to not add the source repo? [21:36] http://recursion-band.bandcamp.com/ [21:38] oh, I was hopeful it was more math rock [21:38] wish granted [21:38] Math hardcore [21:39] ok, less hardcore then :P [21:39] Well, "Deathcore" [21:39] Tesseract it ain't. [21:39] but managed to find this on reddit of all places. [21:40] Someone had a "free prog metal" thread [21:40] and went through that list lookig for the CC folks. [21:40] many? [21:40] 7-8% [21:40] which is better than what I was expecting [21:40] heh [21:41] Had bands like Depths, Galactic Pegasus and Cloudkicker though [21:41] cool [21:42] greg-g: I'm becoming you though. I picked up The Guessing Game by Cathedral [21:42] and Kyuss' last album [21:42] (..and the circus leaves town) [21:43] Kyuss! [21:43] Yeah, was a shrinkwrapped promo copy [21:43] nice [21:43] which I found odd and intriguing [21:44] and cheap [21:44] We've been heading downtown for J's class / CHC so I've been able to hit UHF (my pusher of choice) [21:45] Gotta love a place that plays "This is Spinal Tap". :) [21:45] CUPS AND CAKES BITCHES! [21:45] :) :) [21:45] some day... [21:46] ? [21:47] I shall have time to rummage through a used cd store... and listen to my purchases the way they were intended [21:47] basically, can I be transported back to undergrad, plz? [21:47] even better: they specialize in Vinyl records. [21:48] never got into vinyl/don't have the equipment [21:48] Yeah, I'm not a huge fan, but they have a decent used / new section [21:48] cool [21:48] put this way: They have more metal than most places [21:49] although the B&N in Royal Oak actually has a metal section [23:08] so. cmaloney. i went to microcenter. guess who's a proud owner of a ducky zero with mx blacks? [23:09] also rick_h_ [23:09] ya'll are killin me [23:13] this is smooth as butter. BUTTER [23:13] :) [23:13] i'm still selling the razer [23:14] no use for blues [23:14] lol [23:14] blues are too loud [23:15] but wow yes. harder to press... reminds me of my first keyboard which might have been a model M i'm not sure. the computer was an IBM compatible from GM. [23:15] gamerchick02: woot [23:15] I had sore fingers when I first went to a unicomp [23:15] wow but yeah the zero ain't no shine but it also wasn't $150 [23:15] what switches for that one? [23:16] buclking spring, model m style [23:16] oh cool [23:16] i remember i liked the sound [23:17] and wow these are way different from the browns [23:17] not sure what i like better, browns or blacks [23:17] both have merits [23:17] blacks are smooth as butta and the browns have that nice little click-bump [23:21] i went with full this time. i'm done buying keyboards right now. [23:21] who knows anything about the red switches? any lovers out there for MX Reds?