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valorieamigamagic: sounds like your settings have been corrupted00:32
valoriebest thing to do is from the terminal (not while logged into kde) `mv .kde/ .kde-old`00:34
valoriethen when you log into your kde session, your settings will be refreshed00:34
valorieif you have done some configs you want to save, then you can move them back from -old00:35
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amigamagicvalorie: I have done that and indeed it works01:08
amigamagicbut I've lost all my previous desktop settings01:08
amigamagicso I think for now I will stick to another desktop manager01:09
amigamagicit's a shame because kde is beautiful, but it's not stable01:09
amigamagicfor example, if you try to enlarge the bottom panel, and you enlarge it too much, the clock widget in the bottom bar will display a broken calendar in the upper left area of the desktop and you cannot disable this calendar without removing the clock widget01:10
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return0Soo, how's 14.04 doing? Ok for regular use?08:06
valoriethat's what I'm now running08:06
valorieso far, so good08:06
valorieand we could use more testers08:07
valoriesince it's an LTS08:07
return0it seems most ubuntu spins are fairly stable now08:08
return0xfce and gnome are working fine for me08:08
return0unity and lxde had bugs but i think they're fixed too08:08
return0My 13.10 install feels soo old :P08:08
valoriewell, this seems even better than 13.1008:10
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valorieKDE is in bug fixing mode right now too08:10
return0feature frozen?08:10
valoriebecause of the frameworks work, under the hood08:10
valorieyes08:10
return0i find after feature freeze things get fixed real quick08:11
valoriewe hope that we'll be able to do a "testing" release for 14.1008:11
return0have 14.10 be the test for changes to be ported back to 14.04 LTS?08:11
return0I've seen that happen in 12 lts08:12
return0and 10.. and 8...08:12
valoriereturn0: in applications and security updates, for sure08:14
valoriebut frameworks is the future08:14
valoriethat is "kde5" along with qt508:15
return0I want qt5 and kde3 :P08:15
valoriewhich can't be ported backwards08:15
valoriereally? I never miss kde308:15
return0Nor did I, but it's be funny08:15
return0kde3 used at a lot of companies for some reason08:16
valoriebecause it was stable and easily configurable08:20
valorieno brainer!08:20
valoriegnome beat us out for awhile in the 3 >4 changeover08:21
valoriebut I think we're back on top08:21
return0then gnome comitted suicide08:21
valorienow, now08:21
valoriesome people still love it08:21
return0went from by far #1 to...08:21
return0each version removes as many things as they add08:22
return0it's going maximum tablet08:22
return0whereas kde has a seperate tablet-mode08:22
valorieright, but there are strengths to both ways of design08:23
valorieUnity is also one form factor08:23
valoriewe'll see what ends up being best08:23
return0i wish i could use crypto coins to buy kde swag08:25
valoriereturn0: we're discussing it08:26
valorieit takes a bit to set up a way to get the coins, and then to monitize them08:26
valorieso far, no one has stepped up to make that happen08:27
return0there's services which automatically deposit USD/CAD/EURO to an account when people buy with coins08:27
return0or just have a dude do it manually, but you'd have to stock him up08:28
return0there's crypto coin services like kickstarter which would work08:29
return0or plain old bit pay08:29
lordievaderGood morning.08:32
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MikeDKAm I the only one having trouble with kde-telepathy since latest backport kde update?08:57
valoriewhat sort of trouble, MikeDK?08:58
MikeDKJust doesn't connect to any of the accounts I had in it, before the update08:58
MikeDKmaybe I should try re-adding the accounts?08:58
MikeDKcould that help?08:58
valorieI'd try with one, and see08:59
valorieI've been meaning to install that to test on trusty08:59
MikeDKooh, kde-telepathy isn't default on trusty?09:01
valorienot sure; I did an upgrade09:01
valoriewe're oversize on the iso, so trying to cut things out09:01
valorienot installed here, but perhaps I uninstalled at some time in the past09:02
valorienot sure09:02
MikeDKyeah :-) I'm not bothered with the size I only use USBsticks for installs09:02
valorieI don't like things popping up at me09:02
valorieI prefer IRC09:02
valorienot everyone is on a fast connection09:02
MikeDKaah yeah, I follow you in that one.09:03
valorieand some computers won't boot from a usb09:03
MikeDKyeah old laptops for instance :-) have a old thinkpad E570/E600 model PII 398MHz and maxed out with 198MB memory :-D running crunchbang atm :-D09:04
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SunbyHey. A "quick" question. I would like to install a relatively old version of KDE (2.2.2) on an Ubuntu/Kubuntu installation. Anybody tried that?10:25
lordievaderSunby: That will probably land you in dependency hell.10:37
_nedrhello guys.. just wondering how gaming performance (Steam, dota2, in particular) is on kubuntu.. also how is nvidia optimus support?10:42
soee_nedr: good morning11:08
_nedrsoee, hi, good morning11:08
soeefew days ago i just finished Metro Laast Light :) there were small problems where game just exit during loading but basically all worked nice11:09
soeeon Kubuntu 14.04 we have nvidia-prime available and it works great with 331 drivers11:09
soeeyou can easily switch to intel or nvidia11:10
soeei played whole game on my laptop and performence was great11:10
soeehttps://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/MzE3uiEEjor11:10
soeei have also tired Dota2 some time ago, worked smooth11:11
soeesame with Serius Sam 3 etc11:11
_nedrsoee, nice to hear,.. could you compare it with any other desktop environment?11:12
soeein general i have no problems with steam11:12
soeewell im Usign only Windows to play some CS:GO11:12
soeeno big difference for me11:12
_nedri am on ubuntu 13.10 with unity and primus and i have huge problems with steam and dota2 (very slow, crashes, etc)11:12
_nedri don't know it might be my particular laptop or some installation issues..11:13
Walex2_nedr: it all depends on the OpenGL driver...11:13
_nedrit was a paint just to get primus installed11:13
Walex2_nedr: and how new is your X WIndows server and GL libraries.11:13
soeealso at the begining of 14.04 there were huge problems with performance (not sure if it was nvidia-prime or drivers )11:13
soeebut now all works smooth11:13
Walex2it works fairly well for me on 12.04 with X server backported and with AMD drivers, but it occasionally freezes, but I suspect that is because of CPU power supply issues11:14
soee_nedr: i think the problems were related also to bumblebee - are you using it ?11:14
_nedrsoee, might be.. yeah i installed it .. not sure how effectively it works.. which is why want to reformat and do clean reinstall11:15
_nedrWalex2, sorry quite newb to all this.. i have no idea about much of this... i tried installing bumblebee.. if i recall it was with nvidia-331,11:15
soee_nedr: with nvidia-prime you dont need bumblebee11:15
_nedrsoee, what is nvidia-prime ? is it primusrun?11:16
soee_nedr: more or less, it allows you to switch to intel or nvidia11:16
Walex2switching GPUs is hell of a way to beg for trouble :-)11:17
_nedrWalex2, thats what i do with bumblebee.. otherwise my laptop becomes a finger-toaster11:18
Walex2guys, Intel/nVidia/AMD won't tell you but graphics chips are incredibly buggy bits of hardware held together with elastic bands and prayers...11:18
soeeWalex2: it easy :D11:18
soeehttp://wstaw.org/w/2yip/linki/11:18
_nedrcouple of year  ago i never thought i would say this... but i wish my linux would just work like my windows11:19
Walex2_nedr: it is better then to get a system with a single chip. I understand why you would want to do it, but not all things that are possible are also reliable...11:19
soee_nedr: on ubuntu you have also prime inditcator http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/prime-indicator-lets-you-quickly-switch.html :)11:20
_nedrWalex2, don't have money for new system right now ( i didn't know there was such a issue as nvidia optimus other i would never buy this)... also thats Apple thinking( program don't work.. just buy a new laptop)11:20
_nedrcrossing fingers that nvidia-prime is ready by 14.04 .. ubuntu people really need to get back to making distros for humans11:21
soee_nedr: it didn't work for me on 13.10 as i would liek, now on 14.04 its more mature but still in developement11:22
_nedrsoee are you running kubuntu 14.04 with nvidia-prime11:22
soeeanyway all i can say i have no problems with optimus now11:22
soee_nedr: yes i do11:22
_nedrthats awesome to hear... i hope my configuration won't be screwed over11:23
soee_nedr: wht i noticed was that after upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 i couldnt run system becaus eof nvidia-prime and some configuration issues11:24
soeeafter fresh installation all works smooth11:24
soeealso as nvidia-prime is in development all the time somethimes something might not work as it should :) but the good news is if you report it it can be fixed very fast11:25
_nedrhello soee, just wondering is nvidia-prime using nouveau or nvidia proprietary drivers?11:51
soeepropriety11:53
soee331 i think11:53
soeecan't be lower but im not 100% sure11:53
_nedrok thanks11:55
mike_s2Hi, how do I install kubuntu with luks on a laptop with an installed windows 8 using truecrypt system encryption?11:59
mike_s2I already have all the necessary partitions set up from a previous opensuse install, but I am not sure how to set it up without removing my truecrypt bootmanager.12:00
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BluesKaj'Morning folks13:56
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miglocan anyone propose an alternativ mail client for kmail?16:20
DarthFrogI use Thunderbird.16:22
lordievader+1 for Thunderbird.16:23
miglobut is thunderbird still under development?16:25
DarthFrogwhat more is needed?16:27
migloIs it maybe possible to use kmail independently from akondai?16:27
migloif thunderbird still gets bug fixes and security updates than I will give it a try16:29
DarthFrogWell, it is a Mozilla project so it is overwhelming likely that security updates will be made.16:32
miglois it possible to import mails from kmail into thunderbird?17:01
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Rish_how to find version of libgit217:25
Rish_?17:25
Rish_on kubuntu 12.04 LTS17:25
tsimpson"apt-cache policy libgit2-0" or use the package manager and search for libgit217:29
Rish_how should i install libgit-2.0 0.19.0 for kubuntu 12.04?17:49
tsimpsonyou can download the source code and compile it manually, or download the source package and build a .deb package manually17:53
lordievader!info libgit-2.017:53
ubottuPackage libgit-2.0 does not exist in saucy17:53
tsimpsonit's libgit2-0, and it only exists in raring+17:54
lordievaderI see, so an alternative is upgrading to Saucy.17:54
tsimpsonsure but if you're still on 12.04 you probably want the LTS, so I didn't suggest breaking out of LTS17:56
tsimpsonthough waiting a month or so and upgrading to Trusty is an option :)17:56
lordievaderTrue, it might not be the most desired alternative. But as a last measure it is still an alternative.17:57
Rish_tsimpson: can you please guide me how to go aboout doin it?17:57
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tsimpsonRish_: install cmake, download the source https://github.com/libgit2/libgit2/releases and follow the instructions in the README.md file18:05
Rish_tsimpson: okay...thanks a lot18:05
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beltorakhi all; i am trying to get my laptop to hibernate when the lid is closed and the power is unplugged, but I am getting this dialog saying that it requires authentication because multiple users are logged in. how do i make it just hibernate?19:26
roneybeltorak, i suppose that was a design decision from the devs19:32
roneywhy would hibernate if other people are still logged in?19:33
beltorakmy concern is more security focused - someone just yaking the laptop and running19:34
roneyimagine that you logged via ssh from a remote place, would you like this to happen?19:34
beltorakfor me yes, for everyone... up to them19:34
roneywell, i wouldn't like if say my wife closed the laptop's lid while i'm remotely logged19:35
beltorakgranted; and i don't want it to do that if the power is still plugged in19:36
roneysleeping is not enough for you?19:37
beltorakdefeats the point of FDE wouldn't you say?19:37
roneywhat's FDE?19:37
beltorakfull disk encryption19:38
roneyit depends on the tool you use19:38
beltorakwhat tools do you have in mind?19:39
roneytruecrypt decrypts on demand, as far as i know, and only for the user who unlocked the disk with the right key19:39
roneybut I'm probably wrong, not an expert19:40
beltorakyou are right, but the usage scenario you are thinking of is a private area for the user - my entire system (root fs included) (except for the boot partition, i'll get to that some other time) is encrypted19:41
beltorakthe dialog in question has a reference to the systemd/polkit id "org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions" so i figure there has to be a setting somewhere that's making it require authentication... so my question is "how do i override that or (failing that) change it?"19:45
roneyyou're probably right, but I can't think on a possible way to solve this in an elegant way19:48
roneyit may be possible to run a script before hibernating19:48
roneythis script could log all users out19:49
roneyit would require root permissions, naturally19:49
beltorakby "elegant" you mean providing some warning to the others logged into the system? yeah, i can't think of a way to do that either, and so for my case i would rather err on the side of security19:49
roneybut that's a very macgyverish19:50
roneything19:50
beltorakbesides, there are no other real users logged onto my laptop, so i figure it must be some sort of background service running as it's own account19:50
roneyhm....19:50
roneysystem users then19:50
beltorak$ ps -ef | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | sort -u | tr '\n' ', ' ==> 102,123,124,avahi,beltorak,colord,daemon,dirmngr,nobody,root,rtkit,syslog,UID,19:52
roneywhat a suspicious username "rtkit"19:53
beltorakwhat's the command for dpkg to show info about a package?19:54
beltoraknm; found it19:55
beltorakrtkit == "Realtime Policy and Watchdog Daemon"19:55
beltoraki suppose they could have picked a less suspicious package/username ...19:56
roneyperhaps and intended joke, I liked :-)19:58
roneybut what kind of rootkit would call itself rootkit?19:58
roneythe lamest one19:59
beltorakbeta v0.0.1?19:59
roneyhahaha19:59
roney"plz test my new rootkit"19:59
beltorakhahaha19:59
beltorakhhmmmm.. i found a bug report that it's the dirmngr service that's causing the problem20:08
roneybeltorak, then it's a matter of time to get it solved20:18
roneyif you're a programmer you could try to solve it yourself :-)20:19
beltorakyeah, and supposedly there's a workaround to make the dirmngr daemon use start-stop-daemon instead of su because su creates a login session20:19
roneythen you're done!20:20
beltoraki am :) now i just gotta find the file to edit20:20
roneycool20:20
beltorakand i can put off overriding the permission thing some other time20:20
roneysolving those kinds of problem is very fun, but terrible for non techies20:21
beltorakyeah20:21
roneyman, i still regret the day I installed kubuntu on my wife's laptop20:22
beltorakthe dialogue supposedly gives me the option to edit the policy (it says "click here to edit") but it does nothing :-/20:22
roneykwin crashed terribly during her thesis presentation20:23
beltoraklinux hates my wife20:23
beltorakoh ouch20:23
roneyI got instantly ashamed and promply jumped on the "stage" (don't know the right word) to help her20:23
roneyshe got embarassed and more nervous20:24
roneyit was terrible20:24
beltorakyikes20:24
roneythat event made me rethink a lot of my concepts about free software20:25
beltorakyeah, i hear a lot of governments are switching to various forms of linux, mentioning the savings involved due to not having to pay for licensing etc20:25
beltorakon the one hand I think that's great; on the other, I wish they would consider re-purposing some of that gained budget into donating to the open source projects20:26
roneyI love free software and wish all software was rock solid and free20:26
douglI don't know if enough goes into the office applications included with linux.20:26
roneybut sometimes I have recognise the technical superiority of proprietary software20:26
roneyI'm a kde contributor20:27
roneytalking for calligra I believe there's a lot of work happening20:27
roneyeven so, that's jut the beginning20:27
beltorakyeah, proprietary software has one advantage over free software - somebody is *forced* to code the ... uninteresting bits20:28
beltorakdougl: like you said, and i think office software is one of those areas that could use some work20:28
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beltorakanother area that free software seems to never touch adequately is project management and HR20:29
roneyi work on proprietary software to make a living20:29
beltorakhow many open source projects could be in any way a contender to SAP or Oracle (the HR stuff, not the DB stuff)?20:29
roneymy conclusion is: proprietary software development sucks a lot20:29
douglGimp beltorak, gets developed  libre office not so much20:30
roneywhy it works sometimes? lots of money20:30
beltoraklol roney - yeah, exactly20:30
beltorakdougl: yes, exactly that too20:30
beltorakand there are some areas I really really wish we could work on - it's my opinion that the only think keeping strong security out of the hands of the masses is the gawdawful UIs surrounding things like key management20:31
roneypretty much yes20:31
roneyI'm glad that lots of intelligent people are perceiving now that security should be transparent20:32
beltoraklots of intelligent people have always known that - bruce schneier (sp?) being one of the more promenant ones20:33
beltorakunfortunately they aren't always the ones making the decisions....20:33
roneythat's the point!20:33
beltorakhahaha20:33
roneyyou know what is about making decisions?20:34
roneypolitics, my friend20:34
beltorakyeah, agreed20:34
roneyand I'm not talking about the parties clashing against each other20:34
roneypolitices is everywhere20:34
beltorakjust basic human interaction and getting people to see things your way....20:34
roneyyes20:34
roneyit ranges from small patches being reviewed to big design decisions that will impact the life of thousands of users20:35
beltorakcoders and other highly technically minded people can drop all the social niceties and argue purely on merits; but for the most part people are social creatures, and "winning people to your side" is much more of a social interaction than a rational discussion about the pros and cons of alternatives20:36
roneybecause programmers are usually good on a technicall level, they tend to think they're intellingent enough to talk about everything, be it arts, philosophy, history etc20:37
beltoraki wonder what in a few generations the (so called) brogrammers impact will be20:37
roneyi'm afraid of the future20:37
roneywith things like "code for america" (I don't live in the USA) the future tend to be not so good20:38
roneythat's a different subject, i know20:38
beltorakis that the push to get kids to program?20:38
roneyyes20:38
beltorakyeah i don't know how useful it really will be; i haven't looked into it20:39
roneybecause programming is more important than everything etc20:39
roneyprogrammers tend to think they're special magicians and what they do is so important that everybody should learn it as well20:40
beltorakit could be construed that way, sure; but if they approach it more as practical problem solving.... you know, like what math should be taught as20:40
roneyi enjoy the idea of teaching programming20:40
roneybut i don't think it is more important than philosophy, art, history or mathematics20:41
beltorakphilosophy is dreadfully important, and it gets almost no respect20:41
beltorakbut you are right; no one is really more or less important than the others20:42
beltoraki'd have to hear your argument on why art is important20:42
roneysimple: because art embodies (or at least tries to embody) the perception we have about ourselves and the world we live in20:45
roneythat being said, art is not conceivable on its own20:45
roneyart spans itself throughout everything that is considered to be human20:45
roneyi.e.: philosphy, history, mathematics, programming, social interaction, etc etc etc20:46
beltorakok; i can see your point20:47
kevthanewversiI'm trying to install kubuntu alongside windows and I cannot see my windows partitions in the kubuntu installation hard disk setup. When I 'try kubuntu' and run fdisk-l I get this error "The util fdisk doesn't20:49
kevthanewversisupport GPT . Use GNU Parted."20:49
kevthanewversiAnyone experienced such a problem before?20:50
beltorakkevthanewversi: are you installing using the GUI or purely commandline?20:54
kevthanewversibeltorak the gui20:54
beltorakso you booted up the CD in live mode and clicked the install icon on the desktop? have you tried the kde partition manager?20:55
kevthanewversiBut I'm accessing terminal via the try kubuntu option during install20:55
kevthanewversibeltorak yeah it won't show any of my windows partitions. :(20:56
beltorakI think you can install packages in the "try" mode so you might try to install gparted; i don't know what tool would be best to use for partitioning GPT drives20:57
beltorakI wonder if cfdisk (which is another cli program) can handle it20:57
kevthanewversiIn the partitioning page it shows the whole of my hard drive as free space.20:58
kevthanewversiI'm trying to install kubuntu alongside windows and I cannot see my windows partitions in the kubuntu installation hard disk setup. When I 'try kubuntu' and run fdisk-l I get this error "The util fdisk doesn't21:01
beltorakyou might try installing gdisk - that seems to support GPT drives: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/gdisk.8.html21:02
beltorakkevthanewversi: how big is the hard drive? the simple answer is that fdisk does not support GPT-partitioned drives. you will have to use a different tool.21:09
kevthanewversibeltorak 750 gigz. A tool like?21:12
beltoraka tool like gnu parted (gparted or parted)21:15
kevthanewversibeltorak so what exactly will I do?21:16
beltorakopen the package manager (K menu, type in package manager), in the search bar type in "parted" - it should be the first result21:17
kevthanewversibeltorak I'm asking after I get the package.21:19
douglsfdisk?21:21
alphacrypthey, I get qtmixing issue and don't know what to do21:22
beltorakdougl: the fdisk family of tools can't handle GPT; there's supposedly a replacement but I didn't see them in the package manager21:25
beltorakI thought that parted would have a GUI, or that the KDE partition manager would be able to handle GPT, but alas...21:25
beltorakkevthanewversi: can you pm me the results of "sudo parted -l /dev/XXX"?21:27
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beltorakok; patching /etc/init.d/dirmngr solved my immediate hibernate problem; now I want to figure out how to resume :) but this is how I think it should work. on a fresh real boot the swap partition should be created and encrypted with a random key that is saved to the root device. on resume it should decrypt the root device to find the swap key.22:49
beltorakhow do i go about making this work?22:50
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