=== gilbert is now known as goodtime [00:32] amigamagic: sounds like your settings have been corrupted [00:34] best thing to do is from the terminal (not while logged into kde) `mv .kde/ .kde-old` [00:34] then when you log into your kde session, your settings will be refreshed [00:35] if you have done some configs you want to save, then you can move them back from -old === kubuntu is now known as Guest66681 [01:08] valorie: I have done that and indeed it works [01:08] but I've lost all my previous desktop settings [01:09] so I think for now I will stick to another desktop manager [01:09] it's a shame because kde is beautiful, but it's not stable [01:10] for example, if you try to enlarge the bottom panel, and you enlarge it too much, the clock widget in the bottom bar will display a broken calendar in the upper left area of the desktop and you cannot disable this calendar without removing the clock widget === ivan_ is now known as _Alc00l_ === LjL is now known as LjL-Spider === rahul is now known as Guest40580 === Guest40580 is now known as Neonex === Neonex is now known as RahulAN\ === RahulAN\ is now known as RahulAN === ryan is now known as Guest48242 === Guest48242 is now known as ryan_46 === kubuntu is now known as Guest5825 === Guest5825 is now known as kubuntummmm [05:22] hi === ryan is now known as Guest4150 === pars is now known as damcamada === calin is now known as crucerucalin === max is now known as Guest41164 === chalcedony is now known as chalcedony` [08:06] Soo, how's 14.04 doing? Ok for regular use? [08:06] that's what I'm now running [08:06] so far, so good [08:07] and we could use more testers [08:07] since it's an LTS [08:08] it seems most ubuntu spins are fairly stable now [08:08] xfce and gnome are working fine for me [08:08] unity and lxde had bugs but i think they're fixed too [08:08] My 13.10 install feels soo old :P [08:10] well, this seems even better than 13.10 === claudiu is now known as Guest11520 [08:10] KDE is in bug fixing mode right now too [08:10] feature frozen? [08:10] because of the frameworks work, under the hood [08:10] yes [08:11] i find after feature freeze things get fixed real quick [08:11] we hope that we'll be able to do a "testing" release for 14.10 [08:11] have 14.10 be the test for changes to be ported back to 14.04 LTS? [08:12] I've seen that happen in 12 lts [08:12] and 10.. and 8... [08:14] return0: in applications and security updates, for sure [08:14] but frameworks is the future [08:15] that is "kde5" along with qt5 [08:15] I want qt5 and kde3 :P [08:15] which can't be ported backwards [08:15] really? I never miss kde3 [08:15] Nor did I, but it's be funny [08:16] kde3 used at a lot of companies for some reason [08:20] because it was stable and easily configurable [08:20] no brainer! [08:21] gnome beat us out for awhile in the 3 >4 changeover [08:21] but I think we're back on top [08:21] then gnome comitted suicide [08:21] now, now [08:21] some people still love it [08:21] went from by far #1 to... [08:22] each version removes as many things as they add [08:22] it's going maximum tablet [08:22] whereas kde has a seperate tablet-mode [08:23] right, but there are strengths to both ways of design [08:23] Unity is also one form factor [08:23] we'll see what ends up being best [08:25] i wish i could use crypto coins to buy kde swag [08:26] return0: we're discussing it [08:26] it takes a bit to set up a way to get the coins, and then to monitize them [08:27] so far, no one has stepped up to make that happen [08:27] there's services which automatically deposit USD/CAD/EURO to an account when people buy with coins [08:28] or just have a dude do it manually, but you'd have to stock him up [08:29] there's crypto coin services like kickstarter which would work [08:29] or plain old bit pay [08:32] Good morning. === IdleOne- is now known as IdleOne [08:57] Am I the only one having trouble with kde-telepathy since latest backport kde update? [08:58] what sort of trouble, MikeDK? [08:58] Just doesn't connect to any of the accounts I had in it, before the update [08:58] maybe I should try re-adding the accounts? [08:58] could that help? [08:59] I'd try with one, and see [08:59] I've been meaning to install that to test on trusty [09:01] ooh, kde-telepathy isn't default on trusty? [09:01] not sure; I did an upgrade [09:01] we're oversize on the iso, so trying to cut things out [09:02] not installed here, but perhaps I uninstalled at some time in the past [09:02] not sure [09:02] yeah :-) I'm not bothered with the size I only use USBsticks for installs [09:02] I don't like things popping up at me [09:02] I prefer IRC [09:02] not everyone is on a fast connection [09:03] aah yeah, I follow you in that one. [09:03] and some computers won't boot from a usb [09:04] yeah old laptops for instance :-) have a old thinkpad E570/E600 model PII 398MHz and maxed out with 198MB memory :-D running crunchbang atm :-D === mpmc[BNC4FREE] is now known as mpmc [10:25] Hey. A "quick" question. I would like to install a relatively old version of KDE (2.2.2) on an Ubuntu/Kubuntu installation. Anybody tried that? [10:37] Sunby: That will probably land you in dependency hell. [10:42] <_nedr> hello guys.. just wondering how gaming performance (Steam, dota2, in particular) is on kubuntu.. also how is nvidia optimus support? [11:08] _nedr: good morning [11:08] <_nedr> soee, hi, good morning [11:09] few days ago i just finished Metro Laast Light :) there were small problems where game just exit during loading but basically all worked nice [11:09] on Kubuntu 14.04 we have nvidia-prime available and it works great with 331 drivers [11:10] you can easily switch to intel or nvidia [11:10] i played whole game on my laptop and performence was great [11:10] https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/MzE3uiEEjor [11:11] i have also tired Dota2 some time ago, worked smooth [11:11] same with Serius Sam 3 etc [11:12] <_nedr> soee, nice to hear,.. could you compare it with any other desktop environment? [11:12] in general i have no problems with steam [11:12] well im Usign only Windows to play some CS:GO [11:12] no big difference for me [11:12] <_nedr> i am on ubuntu 13.10 with unity and primus and i have huge problems with steam and dota2 (very slow, crashes, etc) [11:13] <_nedr> i don't know it might be my particular laptop or some installation issues.. [11:13] _nedr: it all depends on the OpenGL driver... [11:13] <_nedr> it was a paint just to get primus installed [11:13] _nedr: and how new is your X WIndows server and GL libraries. [11:13] also at the begining of 14.04 there were huge problems with performance (not sure if it was nvidia-prime or drivers ) [11:13] but now all works smooth [11:14] it works fairly well for me on 12.04 with X server backported and with AMD drivers, but it occasionally freezes, but I suspect that is because of CPU power supply issues [11:14] _nedr: i think the problems were related also to bumblebee - are you using it ? [11:15] <_nedr> soee, might be.. yeah i installed it .. not sure how effectively it works.. which is why want to reformat and do clean reinstall [11:15] <_nedr> Walex2, sorry quite newb to all this.. i have no idea about much of this... i tried installing bumblebee.. if i recall it was with nvidia-331, [11:15] _nedr: with nvidia-prime you dont need bumblebee [11:16] <_nedr> soee, what is nvidia-prime ? is it primusrun? [11:16] _nedr: more or less, it allows you to switch to intel or nvidia [11:17] switching GPUs is hell of a way to beg for trouble :-) [11:18] <_nedr> Walex2, thats what i do with bumblebee.. otherwise my laptop becomes a finger-toaster [11:18] guys, Intel/nVidia/AMD won't tell you but graphics chips are incredibly buggy bits of hardware held together with elastic bands and prayers... [11:18] Walex2: it easy :D [11:18] http://wstaw.org/w/2yip/linki/ [11:19] <_nedr> couple of year ago i never thought i would say this... but i wish my linux would just work like my windows [11:19] _nedr: it is better then to get a system with a single chip. I understand why you would want to do it, but not all things that are possible are also reliable... [11:20] _nedr: on ubuntu you have also prime inditcator http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/prime-indicator-lets-you-quickly-switch.html :) [11:20] <_nedr> Walex2, don't have money for new system right now ( i didn't know there was such a issue as nvidia optimus other i would never buy this)... also thats Apple thinking( program don't work.. just buy a new laptop) [11:21] <_nedr> crossing fingers that nvidia-prime is ready by 14.04 .. ubuntu people really need to get back to making distros for humans [11:22] _nedr: it didn't work for me on 13.10 as i would liek, now on 14.04 its more mature but still in developement [11:22] <_nedr> soee are you running kubuntu 14.04 with nvidia-prime [11:22] anyway all i can say i have no problems with optimus now [11:22] _nedr: yes i do [11:23] <_nedr> thats awesome to hear... i hope my configuration won't be screwed over [11:24] _nedr: wht i noticed was that after upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 i couldnt run system becaus eof nvidia-prime and some configuration issues [11:24] after fresh installation all works smooth [11:25] also as nvidia-prime is in development all the time somethimes something might not work as it should :) but the good news is if you report it it can be fixed very fast [11:51] <_nedr> hello soee, just wondering is nvidia-prime using nouveau or nvidia proprietary drivers? [11:53] propriety [11:53] 331 i think [11:53] can't be lower but im not 100% sure [11:55] <_nedr> ok thanks [11:59] Hi, how do I install kubuntu with luks on a laptop with an installed windows 8 using truecrypt system encryption? [12:00] I already have all the necessary partitions set up from a previous opensuse install, but I am not sure how to set it up without removing my truecrypt bootmanager. === claudiu is now known as Guest58088 === LjL-Spider is now known as LjL === claudiu is now known as Guest24397 === calin is now known as crucerucalin [13:56] 'Morning folks === sujith_h_ is now known as sujith_home === phunyguy_ is now known as phunyguy [16:20] can anyone propose an alternativ mail client for kmail? [16:22] I use Thunderbird. [16:23] +1 for Thunderbird. [16:25] but is thunderbird still under development? [16:27] what more is needed? [16:27] Is it maybe possible to use kmail independently from akondai? [16:29] if thunderbird still gets bug fixes and security updates than I will give it a try [16:32] Well, it is a Mozilla project so it is overwhelming likely that security updates will be made. [17:01] is it possible to import mails from kmail into thunderbird? === calin is now known as crucerucalin [17:25] how to find version of libgit2 [17:25] ? [17:25] on kubuntu 12.04 LTS [17:29] "apt-cache policy libgit2-0" or use the package manager and search for libgit2 [17:49] how should i install libgit-2.0 0.19.0 for kubuntu 12.04? [17:53] you can download the source code and compile it manually, or download the source package and build a .deb package manually [17:53] !info libgit-2.0 [17:53] Package libgit-2.0 does not exist in saucy [17:54] it's libgit2-0, and it only exists in raring+ [17:54] I see, so an alternative is upgrading to Saucy. [17:56] sure but if you're still on 12.04 you probably want the LTS, so I didn't suggest breaking out of LTS [17:56] though waiting a month or so and upgrading to Trusty is an option :) [17:57] True, it might not be the most desired alternative. But as a last measure it is still an alternative. [17:57] tsimpson: can you please guide me how to go aboout doin it? === max is now known as Guest95127 [18:05] Rish_: install cmake, download the source https://github.com/libgit2/libgit2/releases and follow the instructions in the README.md file [18:05] tsimpson: okay...thanks a lot === kevin is now known as Guest61068 [19:26] hi all; i am trying to get my laptop to hibernate when the lid is closed and the power is unplugged, but I am getting this dialog saying that it requires authentication because multiple users are logged in. how do i make it just hibernate? [19:32] beltorak, i suppose that was a design decision from the devs [19:33] why would hibernate if other people are still logged in? [19:34] my concern is more security focused - someone just yaking the laptop and running [19:34] imagine that you logged via ssh from a remote place, would you like this to happen? [19:34] for me yes, for everyone... up to them [19:35] well, i wouldn't like if say my wife closed the laptop's lid while i'm remotely logged [19:36] granted; and i don't want it to do that if the power is still plugged in [19:37] sleeping is not enough for you? [19:37] defeats the point of FDE wouldn't you say? [19:37] what's FDE? [19:38] full disk encryption [19:38] it depends on the tool you use [19:39] what tools do you have in mind? [19:39] truecrypt decrypts on demand, as far as i know, and only for the user who unlocked the disk with the right key [19:40] but I'm probably wrong, not an expert [19:41] you are right, but the usage scenario you are thinking of is a private area for the user - my entire system (root fs included) (except for the boot partition, i'll get to that some other time) is encrypted [19:45] the dialog in question has a reference to the systemd/polkit id "org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions" so i figure there has to be a setting somewhere that's making it require authentication... so my question is "how do i override that or (failing that) change it?" [19:48] you're probably right, but I can't think on a possible way to solve this in an elegant way [19:48] it may be possible to run a script before hibernating [19:49] this script could log all users out [19:49] it would require root permissions, naturally [19:49] by "elegant" you mean providing some warning to the others logged into the system? yeah, i can't think of a way to do that either, and so for my case i would rather err on the side of security [19:50] but that's a very macgyverish [19:50] thing [19:50] besides, there are no other real users logged onto my laptop, so i figure it must be some sort of background service running as it's own account [19:50] hm.... [19:50] system users then [19:52] $ ps -ef | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | sort -u | tr '\n' ', ' ==> 102,123,124,avahi,beltorak,colord,daemon,dirmngr,nobody,root,rtkit,syslog,UID, [19:53] what a suspicious username "rtkit" [19:54] what's the command for dpkg to show info about a package? [19:55] nm; found it [19:55] rtkit == "Realtime Policy and Watchdog Daemon" [19:56] i suppose they could have picked a less suspicious package/username ... [19:58] perhaps and intended joke, I liked :-) [19:58] but what kind of rootkit would call itself rootkit? [19:59] the lamest one [19:59] beta v0.0.1? [19:59] hahaha [19:59] "plz test my new rootkit" [19:59] hahaha [20:08] hhmmmm.. i found a bug report that it's the dirmngr service that's causing the problem [20:18] beltorak, then it's a matter of time to get it solved [20:19] if you're a programmer you could try to solve it yourself :-) [20:19] yeah, and supposedly there's a workaround to make the dirmngr daemon use start-stop-daemon instead of su because su creates a login session [20:20] then you're done! [20:20] i am :) now i just gotta find the file to edit [20:20] cool [20:20] and i can put off overriding the permission thing some other time [20:21] solving those kinds of problem is very fun, but terrible for non techies [20:21] yeah [20:22] man, i still regret the day I installed kubuntu on my wife's laptop [20:22] the dialogue supposedly gives me the option to edit the policy (it says "click here to edit") but it does nothing :-/ [20:23] kwin crashed terribly during her thesis presentation [20:23] linux hates my wife [20:23] oh ouch [20:23] I got instantly ashamed and promply jumped on the "stage" (don't know the right word) to help her [20:24] she got embarassed and more nervous [20:24] it was terrible [20:24] yikes [20:25] that event made me rethink a lot of my concepts about free software [20:25] yeah, i hear a lot of governments are switching to various forms of linux, mentioning the savings involved due to not having to pay for licensing etc [20:26] on the one hand I think that's great; on the other, I wish they would consider re-purposing some of that gained budget into donating to the open source projects [20:26] I love free software and wish all software was rock solid and free [20:26] I don't know if enough goes into the office applications included with linux. [20:26] but sometimes I have recognise the technical superiority of proprietary software [20:27] I'm a kde contributor [20:27] talking for calligra I believe there's a lot of work happening [20:27] even so, that's jut the beginning [20:28] yeah, proprietary software has one advantage over free software - somebody is *forced* to code the ... uninteresting bits [20:28] dougl: like you said, and i think office software is one of those areas that could use some work === raiden_ is now known as raiden09_ [20:29] another area that free software seems to never touch adequately is project management and HR [20:29] i work on proprietary software to make a living [20:29] how many open source projects could be in any way a contender to SAP or Oracle (the HR stuff, not the DB stuff)? [20:29] my conclusion is: proprietary software development sucks a lot [20:30] Gimp beltorak, gets developed libre office not so much [20:30] why it works sometimes? lots of money [20:30] lol roney - yeah, exactly [20:30] dougl: yes, exactly that too [20:31] and there are some areas I really really wish we could work on - it's my opinion that the only think keeping strong security out of the hands of the masses is the gawdawful UIs surrounding things like key management [20:31] pretty much yes [20:32] I'm glad that lots of intelligent people are perceiving now that security should be transparent [20:33] lots of intelligent people have always known that - bruce schneier (sp?) being one of the more promenant ones [20:33] unfortunately they aren't always the ones making the decisions.... [20:33] that's the point! [20:33] hahaha [20:34] you know what is about making decisions? [20:34] politics, my friend [20:34] yeah, agreed [20:34] and I'm not talking about the parties clashing against each other [20:34] politices is everywhere [20:34] just basic human interaction and getting people to see things your way.... [20:34] yes [20:35] it ranges from small patches being reviewed to big design decisions that will impact the life of thousands of users [20:36] coders and other highly technically minded people can drop all the social niceties and argue purely on merits; but for the most part people are social creatures, and "winning people to your side" is much more of a social interaction than a rational discussion about the pros and cons of alternatives [20:37] because programmers are usually good on a technicall level, they tend to think they're intellingent enough to talk about everything, be it arts, philosophy, history etc [20:37] i wonder what in a few generations the (so called) brogrammers impact will be [20:37] i'm afraid of the future [20:38] with things like "code for america" (I don't live in the USA) the future tend to be not so good [20:38] that's a different subject, i know [20:38] is that the push to get kids to program? [20:38] yes [20:39] yeah i don't know how useful it really will be; i haven't looked into it [20:39] because programming is more important than everything etc [20:40] programmers tend to think they're special magicians and what they do is so important that everybody should learn it as well [20:40] it could be construed that way, sure; but if they approach it more as practical problem solving.... you know, like what math should be taught as [20:40] i enjoy the idea of teaching programming [20:41] but i don't think it is more important than philosophy, art, history or mathematics [20:41] philosophy is dreadfully important, and it gets almost no respect [20:42] but you are right; no one is really more or less important than the others [20:42] i'd have to hear your argument on why art is important [20:45] simple: because art embodies (or at least tries to embody) the perception we have about ourselves and the world we live in [20:45] that being said, art is not conceivable on its own [20:45] art spans itself throughout everything that is considered to be human [20:46] i.e.: philosphy, history, mathematics, programming, social interaction, etc etc etc [20:47] ok; i can see your point [20:49] I'm trying to install kubuntu alongside windows and I cannot see my windows partitions in the kubuntu installation hard disk setup. When I 'try kubuntu' and run fdisk-l I get this error "The util fdisk doesn't [20:49] support GPT . Use GNU Parted." [20:50] Anyone experienced such a problem before? [20:54] kevthanewversi: are you installing using the GUI or purely commandline? [20:54] beltorak the gui [20:55] so you booted up the CD in live mode and clicked the install icon on the desktop? have you tried the kde partition manager? [20:55] But I'm accessing terminal via the try kubuntu option during install [20:56] beltorak yeah it won't show any of my windows partitions. :( [20:57] I think you can install packages in the "try" mode so you might try to install gparted; i don't know what tool would be best to use for partitioning GPT drives [20:57] I wonder if cfdisk (which is another cli program) can handle it [20:58] In the partitioning page it shows the whole of my hard drive as free space. [21:01] I'm trying to install kubuntu alongside windows and I cannot see my windows partitions in the kubuntu installation hard disk setup. When I 'try kubuntu' and run fdisk-l I get this error "The util fdisk doesn't [21:02] you might try installing gdisk - that seems to support GPT drives: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/gdisk.8.html [21:09] kevthanewversi: how big is the hard drive? the simple answer is that fdisk does not support GPT-partitioned drives. you will have to use a different tool. [21:12] beltorak 750 gigz. A tool like? [21:15] a tool like gnu parted (gparted or parted) [21:16] beltorak so what exactly will I do? [21:17] open the package manager (K menu, type in package manager), in the search bar type in "parted" - it should be the first result [21:19] beltorak I'm asking after I get the package. [21:21] sfdisk? [21:22] hey, I get qtmixing issue and don't know what to do [21:25] dougl: the fdisk family of tools can't handle GPT; there's supposedly a replacement but I didn't see them in the package manager [21:25] I thought that parted would have a GUI, or that the KDE partition manager would be able to handle GPT, but alas... [21:27] kevthanewversi: can you pm me the results of "sudo parted -l /dev/XXX"? === calin is now known as crucerucalin [22:49] ok; patching /etc/init.d/dirmngr solved my immediate hibernate problem; now I want to figure out how to resume :) but this is how I think it should work. on a fresh real boot the swap partition should be created and encrypted with a random key that is saved to the root device. on resume it should decrypt the root device to find the swap key. [22:50] how do i go about making this work? === MangaKaDenza is now known as thefakeazneD525