[00:32] <valorie> amigamagic: sounds like your settings have been corrupted
[00:34] <valorie> best thing to do is from the terminal (not while logged into kde) `mv .kde/ .kde-old`
[00:34] <valorie> then when you log into your kde session, your settings will be refreshed
[00:35] <valorie> if you have done some configs you want to save, then you can move them back from -old
[01:08] <amigamagic> valorie: I have done that and indeed it works
[01:08] <amigamagic> but I've lost all my previous desktop settings
[01:09] <amigamagic> so I think for now I will stick to another desktop manager
[01:09] <amigamagic> it's a shame because kde is beautiful, but it's not stable
[01:10] <amigamagic> for example, if you try to enlarge the bottom panel, and you enlarge it too much, the clock widget in the bottom bar will display a broken calendar in the upper left area of the desktop and you cannot disable this calendar without removing the clock widget
[05:22] <kubuntummmm> hi
[08:06] <return0> Soo, how's 14.04 doing? Ok for regular use?
[08:06] <valorie> that's what I'm now running
[08:06] <valorie> so far, so good
[08:07] <valorie> and we could use more testers
[08:07] <valorie> since it's an LTS
[08:08] <return0> it seems most ubuntu spins are fairly stable now
[08:08] <return0> xfce and gnome are working fine for me
[08:08] <return0> unity and lxde had bugs but i think they're fixed too
[08:08] <return0> My 13.10 install feels soo old :P
[08:10] <valorie> well, this seems even better than 13.10
[08:10] <valorie> KDE is in bug fixing mode right now too
[08:10] <return0> feature frozen?
[08:10] <valorie> because of the frameworks work, under the hood
[08:10] <valorie> yes
[08:11] <return0> i find after feature freeze things get fixed real quick
[08:11] <valorie> we hope that we'll be able to do a "testing" release for 14.10
[08:11] <return0> have 14.10 be the test for changes to be ported back to 14.04 LTS?
[08:12] <return0> I've seen that happen in 12 lts
[08:12] <return0> and 10.. and 8...
[08:14] <valorie> return0: in applications and security updates, for sure
[08:14] <valorie> but frameworks is the future
[08:15] <valorie> that is "kde5" along with qt5
[08:15] <return0> I want qt5 and kde3 :P
[08:15] <valorie> which can't be ported backwards
[08:15] <valorie> really? I never miss kde3
[08:15] <return0> Nor did I, but it's be funny
[08:16] <return0> kde3 used at a lot of companies for some reason
[08:20] <valorie> because it was stable and easily configurable
[08:20] <valorie> no brainer!
[08:21] <valorie> gnome beat us out for awhile in the 3 >4 changeover
[08:21] <valorie> but I think we're back on top
[08:21] <return0> then gnome comitted suicide
[08:21] <valorie> now, now
[08:21] <valorie> some people still love it
[08:21] <return0> went from by far #1 to...
[08:22] <return0> each version removes as many things as they add
[08:22] <return0> it's going maximum tablet
[08:22] <return0> whereas kde has a seperate tablet-mode
[08:23] <valorie> right, but there are strengths to both ways of design
[08:23] <valorie> Unity is also one form factor
[08:23] <valorie> we'll see what ends up being best
[08:25] <return0> i wish i could use crypto coins to buy kde swag
[08:26] <valorie> return0: we're discussing it
[08:26] <valorie> it takes a bit to set up a way to get the coins, and then to monitize them
[08:27] <valorie> so far, no one has stepped up to make that happen
[08:27] <return0> there's services which automatically deposit USD/CAD/EURO to an account when people buy with coins
[08:28] <return0> or just have a dude do it manually, but you'd have to stock him up
[08:29] <return0> there's crypto coin services like kickstarter which would work
[08:29] <return0> or plain old bit pay
[08:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:57] <MikeDK> Am I the only one having trouble with kde-telepathy since latest backport kde update?
[08:58] <valorie> what sort of trouble, MikeDK?
[08:58] <MikeDK> Just doesn't connect to any of the accounts I had in it, before the update
[08:58] <MikeDK> maybe I should try re-adding the accounts?
[08:58] <MikeDK> could that help?
[08:59] <valorie> I'd try with one, and see
[08:59] <valorie> I've been meaning to install that to test on trusty
[09:01] <MikeDK> ooh, kde-telepathy isn't default on trusty?
[09:01] <valorie> not sure; I did an upgrade
[09:01] <valorie> we're oversize on the iso, so trying to cut things out
[09:02] <valorie> not installed here, but perhaps I uninstalled at some time in the past
[09:02] <valorie> not sure
[09:02] <MikeDK> yeah :-) I'm not bothered with the size I only use USBsticks for installs
[09:02] <valorie> I don't like things popping up at me
[09:02] <valorie> I prefer IRC
[09:02] <valorie> not everyone is on a fast connection
[09:03] <MikeDK> aah yeah, I follow you in that one.
[09:03] <valorie> and some computers won't boot from a usb
[09:04] <MikeDK> yeah old laptops for instance :-) have a old thinkpad E570/E600 model PII 398MHz and maxed out with 198MB memory :-D running crunchbang atm :-D
[10:25] <Sunby> Hey. A "quick" question. I would like to install a relatively old version of KDE (2.2.2) on an Ubuntu/Kubuntu installation. Anybody tried that?
[10:37] <lordievader> Sunby: That will probably land you in dependency hell.
[10:42] <_nedr> hello guys.. just wondering how gaming performance (Steam, dota2, in particular) is on kubuntu.. also how is nvidia optimus support?
[11:08] <soee> _nedr: good morning
[11:08] <_nedr> soee, hi, good morning
[11:09] <soee> few days ago i just finished Metro Laast Light :) there were small problems where game just exit during loading but basically all worked nice
[11:09] <soee> on Kubuntu 14.04 we have nvidia-prime available and it works great with 331 drivers
[11:10] <soee> you can easily switch to intel or nvidia
[11:10] <soee> i played whole game on my laptop and performence was great
[11:10] <soee> https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/MzE3uiEEjor
[11:11] <soee> i have also tired Dota2 some time ago, worked smooth
[11:11] <soee> same with Serius Sam 3 etc
[11:12] <_nedr> soee, nice to hear,.. could you compare it with any other desktop environment?
[11:12] <soee> in general i have no problems with steam
[11:12] <soee> well im Usign only Windows to play some CS:GO
[11:12] <soee> no big difference for me
[11:12] <_nedr> i am on ubuntu 13.10 with unity and primus and i have huge problems with steam and dota2 (very slow, crashes, etc)
[11:13] <_nedr> i don't know it might be my particular laptop or some installation issues..
[11:13] <Walex2> _nedr: it all depends on the OpenGL driver...
[11:13] <_nedr> it was a paint just to get primus installed
[11:13] <Walex2> _nedr: and how new is your X WIndows server and GL libraries.
[11:13] <soee> also at the begining of 14.04 there were huge problems with performance (not sure if it was nvidia-prime or drivers )
[11:13] <soee> but now all works smooth
[11:14] <Walex2> it works fairly well for me on 12.04 with X server backported and with AMD drivers, but it occasionally freezes, but I suspect that is because of CPU power supply issues
[11:14] <soee> _nedr: i think the problems were related also to bumblebee - are you using it ?
[11:15] <_nedr> soee, might be.. yeah i installed it .. not sure how effectively it works.. which is why want to reformat and do clean reinstall
[11:15] <_nedr> Walex2, sorry quite newb to all this.. i have no idea about much of this... i tried installing bumblebee.. if i recall it was with nvidia-331,
[11:15] <soee> _nedr: with nvidia-prime you dont need bumblebee
[11:16] <_nedr> soee, what is nvidia-prime ? is it primusrun?
[11:16] <soee> _nedr: more or less, it allows you to switch to intel or nvidia
[11:17] <Walex2> switching GPUs is hell of a way to beg for trouble :-)
[11:18] <_nedr> Walex2, thats what i do with bumblebee.. otherwise my laptop becomes a finger-toaster
[11:18] <Walex2> guys, Intel/nVidia/AMD won't tell you but graphics chips are incredibly buggy bits of hardware held together with elastic bands and prayers...
[11:18] <soee> Walex2: it easy :D
[11:18] <soee> http://wstaw.org/w/2yip/linki/
[11:19] <_nedr> couple of year  ago i never thought i would say this... but i wish my linux would just work like my windows
[11:19] <Walex2> _nedr: it is better then to get a system with a single chip. I understand why you would want to do it, but not all things that are possible are also reliable...
[11:20] <soee> _nedr: on ubuntu you have also prime inditcator http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/prime-indicator-lets-you-quickly-switch.html :)
[11:20] <_nedr> Walex2, don't have money for new system right now ( i didn't know there was such a issue as nvidia optimus other i would never buy this)... also thats Apple thinking( program don't work.. just buy a new laptop)
[11:21] <_nedr> crossing fingers that nvidia-prime is ready by 14.04 .. ubuntu people really need to get back to making distros for humans
[11:22] <soee> _nedr: it didn't work for me on 13.10 as i would liek, now on 14.04 its more mature but still in developement
[11:22] <_nedr> soee are you running kubuntu 14.04 with nvidia-prime
[11:22] <soee> anyway all i can say i have no problems with optimus now
[11:22] <soee> _nedr: yes i do
[11:23] <_nedr> thats awesome to hear... i hope my configuration won't be screwed over
[11:24] <soee> _nedr: wht i noticed was that after upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 i couldnt run system becaus eof nvidia-prime and some configuration issues
[11:24] <soee> after fresh installation all works smooth
[11:25] <soee> also as nvidia-prime is in development all the time somethimes something might not work as it should :) but the good news is if you report it it can be fixed very fast
[11:51] <_nedr> hello soee, just wondering is nvidia-prime using nouveau or nvidia proprietary drivers?
[11:53] <soee> propriety
[11:53] <soee> 331 i think
[11:53] <soee> can't be lower but im not 100% sure
[11:55] <_nedr> ok thanks
[11:59] <mike_s2> Hi, how do I install kubuntu with luks on a laptop with an installed windows 8 using truecrypt system encryption?
[12:00] <mike_s2> I already have all the necessary partitions set up from a previous opensuse install, but I am not sure how to set it up without removing my truecrypt bootmanager.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[16:20] <miglo> can anyone propose an alternativ mail client for kmail?
[16:22] <DarthFrog> I use Thunderbird.
[16:23] <lordievader> +1 for Thunderbird.
[16:25] <miglo> but is thunderbird still under development?
[16:27] <DarthFrog> what more is needed?
[16:27] <miglo> Is it maybe possible to use kmail independently from akondai?
[16:29] <miglo> if thunderbird still gets bug fixes and security updates than I will give it a try
[16:32] <DarthFrog> Well, it is a Mozilla project so it is overwhelming likely that security updates will be made.
[17:01] <miglo> is it possible to import mails from kmail into thunderbird?
[17:25] <Rish_> how to find version of libgit2
[17:25] <Rish_> ?
[17:25] <Rish_> on kubuntu 12.04 LTS
[17:29] <tsimpson> "apt-cache policy libgit2-0" or use the package manager and search for libgit2
[17:49] <Rish_> how should i install libgit-2.0 0.19.0 for kubuntu 12.04?
[17:53] <tsimpson> you can download the source code and compile it manually, or download the source package and build a .deb package manually
[17:53] <lordievader> !info libgit-2.0
[17:54] <tsimpson> it's libgit2-0, and it only exists in raring+
[17:54] <lordievader> I see, so an alternative is upgrading to Saucy.
[17:56] <tsimpson> sure but if you're still on 12.04 you probably want the LTS, so I didn't suggest breaking out of LTS
[17:56] <tsimpson> though waiting a month or so and upgrading to Trusty is an option :)
[17:57] <lordievader> True, it might not be the most desired alternative. But as a last measure it is still an alternative.
[17:57] <Rish_> tsimpson: can you please guide me how to go aboout doin it?
[18:05] <tsimpson> Rish_: install cmake, download the source https://github.com/libgit2/libgit2/releases and follow the instructions in the README.md file
[18:05] <Rish_> tsimpson: okay...thanks a lot
[19:26] <beltorak> hi all; i am trying to get my laptop to hibernate when the lid is closed and the power is unplugged, but I am getting this dialog saying that it requires authentication because multiple users are logged in. how do i make it just hibernate?
[19:32] <roney> beltorak, i suppose that was a design decision from the devs
[19:33] <roney> why would hibernate if other people are still logged in?
[19:34] <beltorak> my concern is more security focused - someone just yaking the laptop and running
[19:34] <roney> imagine that you logged via ssh from a remote place, would you like this to happen?
[19:34] <beltorak> for me yes, for everyone... up to them
[19:35] <roney> well, i wouldn't like if say my wife closed the laptop's lid while i'm remotely logged
[19:36] <beltorak> granted; and i don't want it to do that if the power is still plugged in
[19:37] <roney> sleeping is not enough for you?
[19:37] <beltorak> defeats the point of FDE wouldn't you say?
[19:37] <roney> what's FDE?
[19:38] <beltorak> full disk encryption
[19:38] <roney> it depends on the tool you use
[19:39] <beltorak> what tools do you have in mind?
[19:39] <roney> truecrypt decrypts on demand, as far as i know, and only for the user who unlocked the disk with the right key
[19:40] <roney> but I'm probably wrong, not an expert
[19:41] <beltorak> you are right, but the usage scenario you are thinking of is a private area for the user - my entire system (root fs included) (except for the boot partition, i'll get to that some other time) is encrypted
[19:45] <beltorak> the dialog in question has a reference to the systemd/polkit id "org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions" so i figure there has to be a setting somewhere that's making it require authentication... so my question is "how do i override that or (failing that) change it?"
[19:48] <roney> you're probably right, but I can't think on a possible way to solve this in an elegant way
[19:48] <roney> it may be possible to run a script before hibernating
[19:49] <roney> this script could log all users out
[19:49] <roney> it would require root permissions, naturally
[19:49] <beltorak> by "elegant" you mean providing some warning to the others logged into the system? yeah, i can't think of a way to do that either, and so for my case i would rather err on the side of security
[19:50] <roney> but that's a very macgyverish
[19:50] <roney> thing
[19:50] <beltorak> besides, there are no other real users logged onto my laptop, so i figure it must be some sort of background service running as it's own account
[19:50] <roney> hm....
[19:50] <roney> system users then
[19:52] <beltorak> $ ps -ef | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | sort -u | tr '\n' ', ' ==> 102,123,124,avahi,beltorak,colord,daemon,dirmngr,nobody,root,rtkit,syslog,UID,
[19:53] <roney> what a suspicious username "rtkit"
[19:54] <beltorak> what's the command for dpkg to show info about a package?
[19:55] <beltorak> nm; found it
[19:55] <beltorak> rtkit == "Realtime Policy and Watchdog Daemon"
[19:56] <beltorak> i suppose they could have picked a less suspicious package/username ...
[19:58] <roney> perhaps and intended joke, I liked :-)
[19:58] <roney> but what kind of rootkit would call itself rootkit?
[19:59] <roney> the lamest one
[19:59] <beltorak> beta v0.0.1?
[19:59] <roney> hahaha
[19:59] <roney> "plz test my new rootkit"
[19:59] <beltorak> hahaha
[20:08] <beltorak> hhmmmm.. i found a bug report that it's the dirmngr service that's causing the problem
[20:18] <roney> beltorak, then it's a matter of time to get it solved
[20:19] <roney> if you're a programmer you could try to solve it yourself :-)
[20:19] <beltorak> yeah, and supposedly there's a workaround to make the dirmngr daemon use start-stop-daemon instead of su because su creates a login session
[20:20] <roney> then you're done!
[20:20] <beltorak> i am :) now i just gotta find the file to edit
[20:20] <roney> cool
[20:20] <beltorak> and i can put off overriding the permission thing some other time
[20:21] <roney> solving those kinds of problem is very fun, but terrible for non techies
[20:21] <beltorak> yeah
[20:22] <roney> man, i still regret the day I installed kubuntu on my wife's laptop
[20:22] <beltorak> the dialogue supposedly gives me the option to edit the policy (it says "click here to edit") but it does nothing :-/
[20:23] <roney> kwin crashed terribly during her thesis presentation
[20:23] <beltorak> linux hates my wife
[20:23] <beltorak> oh ouch
[20:23] <roney> I got instantly ashamed and promply jumped on the "stage" (don't know the right word) to help her
[20:24] <roney> she got embarassed and more nervous
[20:24] <roney> it was terrible
[20:24] <beltorak> yikes
[20:25] <roney> that event made me rethink a lot of my concepts about free software
[20:25] <beltorak> yeah, i hear a lot of governments are switching to various forms of linux, mentioning the savings involved due to not having to pay for licensing etc
[20:26] <beltorak> on the one hand I think that's great; on the other, I wish they would consider re-purposing some of that gained budget into donating to the open source projects
[20:26] <roney> I love free software and wish all software was rock solid and free
[20:26] <dougl> I don't know if enough goes into the office applications included with linux.
[20:26] <roney> but sometimes I have recognise the technical superiority of proprietary software
[20:27] <roney> I'm a kde contributor
[20:27] <roney> talking for calligra I believe there's a lot of work happening
[20:27] <roney> even so, that's jut the beginning
[20:28] <beltorak> yeah, proprietary software has one advantage over free software - somebody is *forced* to code the ... uninteresting bits
[20:28] <beltorak> dougl: like you said, and i think office software is one of those areas that could use some work
[20:29] <beltorak> another area that free software seems to never touch adequately is project management and HR
[20:29] <roney> i work on proprietary software to make a living
[20:29] <beltorak> how many open source projects could be in any way a contender to SAP or Oracle (the HR stuff, not the DB stuff)?
[20:29] <roney> my conclusion is: proprietary software development sucks a lot
[20:30] <dougl> Gimp beltorak, gets developed  libre office not so much
[20:30] <roney> why it works sometimes? lots of money
[20:30] <beltorak> lol roney - yeah, exactly
[20:30] <beltorak> dougl: yes, exactly that too
[20:31] <beltorak> and there are some areas I really really wish we could work on - it's my opinion that the only think keeping strong security out of the hands of the masses is the gawdawful UIs surrounding things like key management
[20:31] <roney> pretty much yes
[20:32] <roney> I'm glad that lots of intelligent people are perceiving now that security should be transparent
[20:33] <beltorak> lots of intelligent people have always known that - bruce schneier (sp?) being one of the more promenant ones
[20:33] <beltorak> unfortunately they aren't always the ones making the decisions....
[20:33] <roney> that's the point!
[20:33] <beltorak> hahaha
[20:34] <roney> you know what is about making decisions?
[20:34] <roney> politics, my friend
[20:34] <beltorak> yeah, agreed
[20:34] <roney> and I'm not talking about the parties clashing against each other
[20:34] <roney> politices is everywhere
[20:34] <beltorak> just basic human interaction and getting people to see things your way....
[20:34] <roney> yes
[20:35] <roney> it ranges from small patches being reviewed to big design decisions that will impact the life of thousands of users
[20:36] <beltorak> coders and other highly technically minded people can drop all the social niceties and argue purely on merits; but for the most part people are social creatures, and "winning people to your side" is much more of a social interaction than a rational discussion about the pros and cons of alternatives
[20:37] <roney> because programmers are usually good on a technicall level, they tend to think they're intellingent enough to talk about everything, be it arts, philosophy, history etc
[20:37] <beltorak> i wonder what in a few generations the (so called) brogrammers impact will be
[20:37] <roney> i'm afraid of the future
[20:38] <roney> with things like "code for america" (I don't live in the USA) the future tend to be not so good
[20:38] <roney> that's a different subject, i know
[20:38] <beltorak> is that the push to get kids to program?
[20:38] <roney> yes
[20:39] <beltorak> yeah i don't know how useful it really will be; i haven't looked into it
[20:39] <roney> because programming is more important than everything etc
[20:40] <roney> programmers tend to think they're special magicians and what they do is so important that everybody should learn it as well
[20:40] <beltorak> it could be construed that way, sure; but if they approach it more as practical problem solving.... you know, like what math should be taught as
[20:40] <roney> i enjoy the idea of teaching programming
[20:41] <roney> but i don't think it is more important than philosophy, art, history or mathematics
[20:41] <beltorak> philosophy is dreadfully important, and it gets almost no respect
[20:42] <beltorak> but you are right; no one is really more or less important than the others
[20:42] <beltorak> i'd have to hear your argument on why art is important
[20:45] <roney> simple: because art embodies (or at least tries to embody) the perception we have about ourselves and the world we live in
[20:45] <roney> that being said, art is not conceivable on its own
[20:45] <roney> art spans itself throughout everything that is considered to be human
[20:46] <roney> i.e.: philosphy, history, mathematics, programming, social interaction, etc etc etc
[20:47] <beltorak> ok; i can see your point
[20:49] <kevthanewversi> I'm trying to install kubuntu alongside windows and I cannot see my windows partitions in the kubuntu installation hard disk setup. When I 'try kubuntu' and run fdisk-l I get this error "The util fdisk doesn't
[20:49] <kevthanewversi> support GPT . Use GNU Parted."
[20:50] <kevthanewversi> Anyone experienced such a problem before?
[20:54] <beltorak> kevthanewversi: are you installing using the GUI or purely commandline?
[20:54] <kevthanewversi> beltorak the gui
[20:55] <beltorak> so you booted up the CD in live mode and clicked the install icon on the desktop? have you tried the kde partition manager?
[20:55] <kevthanewversi> But I'm accessing terminal via the try kubuntu option during install
[20:56] <kevthanewversi> beltorak yeah it won't show any of my windows partitions. :(
[20:57] <beltorak> I think you can install packages in the "try" mode so you might try to install gparted; i don't know what tool would be best to use for partitioning GPT drives
[20:57] <beltorak> I wonder if cfdisk (which is another cli program) can handle it
[20:58] <kevthanewversi> In the partitioning page it shows the whole of my hard drive as free space.
[21:01] <kevthanewversi> I'm trying to install kubuntu alongside windows and I cannot see my windows partitions in the kubuntu installation hard disk setup. When I 'try kubuntu' and run fdisk-l I get this error "The util fdisk doesn't
[21:02] <beltorak> you might try installing gdisk - that seems to support GPT drives: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/gdisk.8.html
[21:09] <beltorak> kevthanewversi: how big is the hard drive? the simple answer is that fdisk does not support GPT-partitioned drives. you will have to use a different tool.
[21:12] <kevthanewversi> beltorak 750 gigz. A tool like?
[21:15] <beltorak> a tool like gnu parted (gparted or parted)
[21:16] <kevthanewversi> beltorak so what exactly will I do?
[21:17] <beltorak> open the package manager (K menu, type in package manager), in the search bar type in "parted" - it should be the first result
[21:19] <kevthanewversi> beltorak I'm asking after I get the package.
[21:21] <dougl> sfdisk?
[21:22] <alphacrypt> hey, I get qtmixing issue and don't know what to do
[21:25] <beltorak> dougl: the fdisk family of tools can't handle GPT; there's supposedly a replacement but I didn't see them in the package manager
[21:25] <beltorak> I thought that parted would have a GUI, or that the KDE partition manager would be able to handle GPT, but alas...
[21:27] <beltorak> kevthanewversi: can you pm me the results of "sudo parted -l /dev/XXX"?
[22:49] <beltorak> ok; patching /etc/init.d/dirmngr solved my immediate hibernate problem; now I want to figure out how to resume :) but this is how I think it should work. on a fresh real boot the swap partition should be created and encrypted with a random key that is saved to the root device. on resume it should decrypt the root device to find the swap key.
[22:50] <beltorak> how do i go about making this work?