[03:43] <LESSisMore_999> Hi. I think I found a something wrong in Lubuntu documentation
[03:43] <LESSisMore_999> where can I report it?
[03:44] <holstein> LESSisMore_999: why not just fix it?
[03:45] <LESSisMore_999> I don't know how, and I need confirmation first xD
[03:45] <LESSisMore_999> here it is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209412&p=12948041#post12948041
[03:46] <holstein> LESSisMore_999: "low ram" is not really a definite term
[03:47] <holstein> LESSisMore_999: personally, i consider under 2 gigabytes low ram
[03:47] <holstein> but,, i try lubuntu on low spec / older hardware
[03:47] <holstein> and, if it doesnt run live, i'll try the alternate
[03:47] <holstein> LESSisMore_999: if you are wondering if you should try lubuntu on your hardware, just try it
[03:48] <LESSisMore_999> yeah, but it's still confusing for people that are trying to understand which install method to use
[03:48] <holstein> sure
[03:49] <holstein> it could still be case by case
[03:49] <LESSisMore_999> I ended up with Bodhi, thanks to a damn SiS graphic card :P
[03:49] <holstein> should be the same kernel
[03:49] <holstein> not sure why bodhi would be supporting sis any better.. but, im glad its working for you
[03:51] <LESSisMore_999> yeah, I'll use it for a while, but I also want to try lubuntu and xubuntu later
[03:53] <holstein> you mean, lxde and xfce
[03:53] <LESSisMore_999> I can't tell exactly why it is, but there were some threads about this in ubuntu foruns, and someone there recommended Bodhi. Because it was based in 12.04 (13.10 is giving some problems)
[03:53] <LESSisMore_999> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209412&p=12948041#post12948041
[03:53] <LESSisMore_999> wrong link
[03:54] <holstein> sure, but that doesnt have anything to do with bodhi necessarily.. its more about the 12.04 kernel support
[03:54] <holstein> i mean, bodhi is great.. im just tring to clear up what the support is coming from
[03:54] <holstein> theres a 12.04 based xubuntu that is still supported
[03:55] <LESSisMore_999> here you go: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209318&p=12947228#post12947228
[03:55] <holstein> i just dont think you can say "if you have 400mb's of ram, grab this iso and everything will be fine"
[03:55] <holstein> there are too many other variables when resources are tight like that
[03:56] <holstein> in that suggestion is the same thing im stating.. its the 12.04 kernel that is being suggested has the "better" sis support
[03:56] <LESSisMore_999> yeah, this is all new to me, I'll have to try all them to figure out which ones I like (more xD)
[03:57] <holstein> LESSisMore_999: no.. your liking is irrelevant here.. you have to figure out which will support the hardware you have best
[03:57] <holstein> if you buy hardware that specifically supports linux, you can use what you like
[03:58] <holstein> othrewise, you'll use what works.. and what has been hacked at and reverse engineered to try and halfway support that grahpics card
[03:59] <holstein> and, you'll either have, what is expected to be, an awful experience, and either A., get appropriate supported hardware, or B. misinterpret the experience as a linux shortcoming and move on
[03:59] <LESSisMore_999> I'm an Ubuntu user in my main laptop. But in this case I needed to "recover" an older desktop from Windslow XP, so I had to check what were the best distros to older PCs
[03:59] <holstein> LESSisMore_999: again, you have to find what is "best" on your specfic older hardare with that problematic chipset
[04:00] <holstein> there is no doubt lubuntu is one of the lightest
[04:00] <holstein> puppy is lighter.. but, its not realy a distro like lubuntu is
[04:00] <Unit193> AntiX is lighter too, Debian based.
[04:00] <LESSisMore_999> My list so far is Bodhi, Lubuntu, Xubuntu. I tried to start with Lubuntu, till I got those problems with SiS
[04:01] <holstein> LESSisMore_999: you will *always* haver problems with sis
[04:01] <holstein> if i wanted a recovery machine, i would just use a live CD on the windows xp hardware
[04:03] <holstein> Unit193: i used to use antix!
[04:04] <LESSisMore_999> Oh I meant to get an older and not used anymore PC, back to work
[04:04] <LESSisMore_999> it will be my PC at work
[04:04] <holstein> me too
[04:04] <holstein> i would use a live CD.. not another box
[04:04] <LESSisMore_999> why is that
[04:05] <holstein> LESSisMore_999: because, i would want to throw that sis hardware out ASAP, and i dont need it to repair a machine.. i can use a live CD on the "broken" box
[04:06] <LESSisMore_999> my hardware knowledge is very limited. But it's a SiS onboard graphic card. Anyway, I got another external one, that I'm using instead xD
[04:06] <holstein> headless server for sis hardware would be the only thing i would try
[04:08] <ianorlin> sis?
[04:08] <Unit193> holstein: Not a bad little one.
[04:08] <ianorlin> sitting in storage?
[04:09] <LESSisMore_999> no, this PC was stored in the attic ;P
[04:10] <LESSisMore_999> not sure what SiS means, all I learned is that SiS graphic cards have troubles with 13.10
[04:11] <holstein> LESSisMore_999: sis doesnt support linux
[04:11] <holstein> LESSisMore_999: its not really "13.10" either.. its more the kernel drivers that are in the kernel 1310 is using
[04:13] <LESSisMore_999> but now with an external one, I don't think I'll get those problems
[04:14] <LESSisMore_999> stupid thing is, I don't know which one is the external one :P
[04:14] <LESSisMore_999> Next week I'll find out
[04:14] <LESSisMore_999> if it supports linux, I'll finally try Lubuntu and Xubuntu too
[04:15]  * ianorlin just looked up Sis and doesn't know how to get that to work
[04:17] <MobileCake> Hi there
[05:49] <FuuqUmiist> so will lubuntu run fine on a P3? just wondering
[06:00] <ianorlin> it will run on a p3 although the oldest I have is a p4
[06:03] <vn151502510> p3 = Pentium III? Mine is Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4400 @ 2.20GHz, Pentium III family, and running lubuntu well
[09:26] <SpComb> hi, I'm preseeding Lubuntu installs using the Ubuntu installer, and I'd be curious to know what kind of customizations exactly go into the default lubuntu installer beyond just installing the lubuntu-desktop package instead of the ubuntu-desktop package
[09:26] <SpComb> I foud the lubuntu-default-settings package source, but I can't figure out where the installer customizations are defined
[09:28] <SpComb> so I'm looking for the bazaar.launchpad.net url or whatever where the installer is defined
[09:44] <SpComb> ok, I found /preseed/lubuntu.seed (https://gist.github.com/SpComb/2326e83195ea265b3bb4) in the .iso
[09:44] <SpComb> is that really all? :)
[13:42] <phillw> SpComb: there is a smaller core for lubuntu than desktop... details are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Full_install.2C_minimal_install_or_core_install.3F
[13:44] <phillw> SpComb: I'm currently battling with alternate ISO and how it gets built. pop onto #phillw if you want to discuss further your ideas, community spins are welcome but are not 'official'.
[15:30] <freeinode> I am using Lubuntu 13.10  desktop and i want to install an ubuntu server ,  please help !!
[15:31] <freeinode> HElp pleaseee
[15:32] <freeinode> ???
[15:33] <freeinode> anyone any help ????
[15:34] <wxl> freeinode: are you familiar with how irc works? typically for support channels, begging for help does not result in a quicker response. we are all volunteers here. unless you want to pay for support :)
[15:36] <freeinode>  <wxl>  am not begging  , i  am Just in such a hurry !!
[15:36] <holstein> freeinode: just ask
[15:36] <wxl> freeinode: why?
[15:37] <holstein> freeinode: you dont need ubuntuserver to run server packages
[15:37] <freeinode>  <wxl>  i want to know HOW
[15:37] <holstein> freeinode: the same
[15:37] <wxl> freeinode: and that suggests a sense of urgency for some reason?
[15:38] <holstein> freeinode: you download the installer for ubuntuserver and install
[15:38] <holstein> freeinode: but, as i said, you dont need it.. you can run server applications in lubuntu
[15:38] <holstein> freeinode: lubuntu and ubuntuserver are both ubuntu at the core, and have the same access to the same sources
[15:38] <holstein> freeinode: just state what you are trying to do
[15:39] <holstein> !install | freeinode
[15:42] <freeinode> thx
[16:19] <basketball> hey holstein  when my laptop screen is by its self the resolution is on 1280 x 800 (16:10) and it doesnt need to be rotated but when i plug in a vga monitor it wants me to trotate it clockwise or counterclockwise
[16:19] <holstein> it wants?
[16:19] <holstein> basketball: in your statement is the problem, friend
[16:20] <holstein> basketball: your machine wants nothing.. you just use a tool to tell it what you want it to do
[16:20] <basketball> ok let me rephrase that
[16:20] <holstein> if the tools dont work, you are either misusing them, or the linux support is just not availalbe
[16:20] <holstein> you cana address this by reading up on and asking about the tools you are trying to use, and trying to purchase linux compatible hardware
[16:21] <basketball> when i go to the display settings i want to change the resolution to the native resolution which is 1280 x 800 (16:10)
[16:21] <holstein> places like system76 test and make certain you as the end user have a flawless experience
[16:21] <holstein> they test drivers, and/or work with manufacturers to do what you are trying to do right now.. smooth out the edges
[16:21] <holstein> basketball: who says thats is the "native resolution" ?
[16:22] <basketball> when i select that resolution the rotation options change from 180 degress counterclockwise and clockwise and normal to just clockwise and counterclockwise
[16:22] <holstein> basketball: ok.. who says that is the "native resolution" ?
[16:22] <basketball> i know that is native because when the vga monitor is not pluged in  that is what it is on and it works perfectly
[16:23] <holstein> basketball: so, you are the one who says "native resolution" based on what?
[16:24] <holstein> basketball: you shouldnt assume "native resolution"
[16:25] <basketball> ok how do i check
[16:25] <holstein> basketball: have you tried creating and placing an xorg.conf file?
[16:25] <basketball> no
[16:25] <holstein> basketball: you really cant 'check'.. unless it says "supports linux" .. you get what you get
[16:25] <holstein> basketball: and, you do the work that most companies do for end users.. and know that you many *never* get the resolution you want
[16:26] <holstein> you need to be flexible, and unassuming
[16:26] <holstein> what do i do? i use a knoppix live CD.. i set the resolution in there.. i grab the xorg.conf from there
[16:26] <holstein> i'll use a puppy linux live CD and test with the wizard they have
[16:26] <holstein> i'll try *all* available drivers. i'll try the live versions of many ubuntu's and other distros
[16:27] <holstein> i'll note drivers and driver support.. resolutions. tools.. etc
[16:27] <basketball> ok so boot into ubuntu live disk and what do i do
[16:27] <holstein> eventually, i'll determine what is "best" and implement.. bease on what i find
[16:28] <holstein> basketball: you can search "ubuntu my card version" and see what other users are doing with the same hardware, if any
[16:28] <holstein> basketball: you can try the main #ubuntu channel since this is driver related, and there is not reason to limit your searches to lubuntu or lxde specificially
[16:28] <holstein> you can use the arandr tool and be *very* specific about what you are doing and trying and what is happening
[16:29] <holstein> im reading that you are trying to implement 1280x800 on a laptop?
[16:29] <holstein> basketball: whats the issue? it changes when you plug an external montor in?
[16:29] <holstein> basketball: there are several machines i have that allow me to do that.. well supported intel hardware
[16:30] <holstein> otherwise, many machines i have dont do dual head well, due to driver support
[16:30] <holstein> so, i dont do it.. and i plan accordingly when i want themm to
[16:31] <holstein> basketball: do you konw what i do to implement that feature on my well supported intel hardware? nothing.. it literally just works out of the box
[16:31] <holstein> no driver installation.. no fuss.. no xorg.conf.. no hassle
[16:32] <holstein> though, you have not stated.. you likely have nvida or amd, or a not well supported intel device, and you are expecting linux support