[00:14] <tim`> has anyone gotten the intel-linux-graphics-installer running on trusty?
[00:18] <Beldar> tim` Those intel installers seem to be tied to releases, installed here balks at release.
[00:21] <tim`> Beldar: what is the best way to get the drivers on then?
[00:22] <tim`> my x server seems to be missing xvideo extensions on an intel hd 4400 ;[
[00:22] <tim`> i think gl is emulated as well
[00:22] <Beldar> tim`, I would not know, but thise details night be helpful.
[00:23] <tim`> it seems like anyone loading trusty on a haswell machine will run into this - am i the only one with trouble here?
[00:24] <Beldar> tim`, Have you ran the computer in the search on askubuntu to see if any hits?
[00:25] <tim`> ive been googling for anyone with similar problems for a while - havent hit on anything useful yet
[00:36] <intok> Damn, tried Alpha2 base install works, but running the updates results in them ending in a black screen with cursor in the upper left corner that has to be hard reset to get out of. Resetting results in a very broken desktop with tons of missing UI elements
[00:38] <intok> trierd twice from a fresh install on an ECS KBN-I/2100 Kabini system using the default OSS drivers
[05:52] <rohan> dolphin in kubuntu is only showing me the Places panel on the left: all others have disappeared. is this a known problem?
[11:57] <alexwhitman> I've just installed a daily build into VirtualBox, and after a reboot I've just got a flashing cursor instead of the login prompt.  Anyone know of a fix?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:12] <Strit> Hello guys. I made a script to use when I install 14.04 when it comes out. And to test it, I use a 14.04 daily build iso in virtual box to see if my script will run. But the part of the script which disables guest session seems to destroy lightdm so it won't start. So how do I correctly disable Guest Session in 14.04?
[15:20] <minimec> Strit: Never did that, but this looks promising... http://www.howtogeek.com/117994/how-to-disable-ubuntus-guest-session-account/
[15:22] <Strit> minimec, Yeah, that's what was in my script to start with. appearently it changed in 14.04.
[15:23] <Strit> minimec, on 14.04 /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf is an empty file.
[15:26] <tsimpson> "sudo lightdm-set-defaults  --allow-guest=false" is much better than editing the file directly
[15:27] <minimec> Strit: Take a look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2205637
[15:30] <Strit> tsimpson, that command is not present on my system.
[15:35] <tsimpson> seems it was removed in 1.9.4 ...
[15:39] <Strit> minimec, Thanks mate. That worked!
[15:40] <minimec> Strit: No problem.
[17:00] <Nothing_Much> How do I report a bug for USC?
[17:05] <minimec> Nothing_Much: Probably the apport-bug GUI is a good start
[17:06] <Nothing_Much> minimec: well I mean a bug that doesn't crash the application
[17:06] <Nothing_Much> like, it won't install standalone .deb files outside of the USC
[17:08] <minimec> Nothing_Much: A bug is a bug, even if it is a missing feature. I posted a bug for a missing package in Trusty Tahr. If it is not considered to be a bug, it will be marked as 'invalid'.
[17:08] <Nothing_Much> oh
[17:16] <guest4745757575> hi
[17:16] <guest4745757575> during the installation how can i create a lvm with luks?
[17:16] <guest4745757575> just wanna do it as i did with 12.04 alternate
[17:21]  * penguin42 thought that was in the GUI installer these days
[17:23] <guest4745757575> its not
[17:23] <guest4745757575> i can create a encrypted partition but lool ... how to add partitios in that lvm for root and the home dir?
[17:23] <Nothing_Much> well minimec, do you know why USC won't install standalone debs?
[17:24] <penguin42> guest4745757575: Oh, encrypted partition is luks/lvm
[17:24] <guest4745757575> penguin42, hmm?
[17:24] <penguin42> guest4745757575: The thing that the installer calls encrypted disk/partition is luks/lvm
[17:25] <guest4745757575> well... i can just set one mount point to to the encrypted partition. but thats some kind of wrong
[17:25] <guest4745757575> since lvm is made for doing more mountpoints in that encrypted partition
[17:25] <minimec> Nothing_Much: I would install 'gdebi' for that, and then gdebi 'yourpackage.deb' or 'right click in the file manager and 'install with gdebi'. 'gdebi-gtk yourpackage.deb' would also work.
[17:26] <penguin42> hmm I'm confused, I've not looked at the GUI installer for a while, but I thought the choice was to just go for encrypted disk
[17:26] <Nothing_Much> minimec: right, but USC did work with standalones before
[17:26] <minimec> Nothing_Much: I don't know. Never did that. I never use USC.
[17:26] <guest4745757575> penguin42, its a dualboot. so this god damn crappy installer wont work. or i must be blind
[17:27] <penguin42> guest4745757575: Hang on, let me just boot it in a vm
[17:27] <guest4745757575> thank you very much
[17:28] <guest4745757575> since im not a netbook right now and using the keyboard kinda ..... :)
[17:28] <guest4745757575> on a netbook...
[17:29] <penguin42> guest4745757575: During the start of the installation is a box that says 'Installation type' and you have choice for upgrade/install/erase and on that is 'Encrypt the new Ubuntu installation' and 'Use LVM with the new Ubuntu installation'
[17:30] <guest4745757575> yes, that works only when i install only ubuntu. when i choose to install ubuntu besides windows those boxes are greyed out
[17:31] <guest4745757575> so i tried to change it by hand... but that does not work it seems ... :(
[17:31] <gregL> Is there a way in 14.04 using Gnome 3 to  change the properties  so I can  add gksudo to launch a program?
[17:31] <penguin42> guest4745757575: Ah, yes, if I do 'install alongside' it doesn't offer the encrypt/lvm options
[17:32] <guest4745757575> ridiculous, isnt it?
[17:32] <guest4745757575> so the use of ubunto goes exactly to zero for me :(
[17:32] <guest4745757575> "ubuntu"
[17:34] <guest4745757575> so whats now?
[17:34] <penguin42> guest4745757575: I'm wondering if it's just that dual boot setups are complex enough and it's not confident to offer it
[17:34] <penguin42> guest4745757575: You could go to the 'something else' option and setit manually
[17:34] <guest4745757575> i used this dualboot for years with other versions of ubuntu
[17:35] <guest4745757575> something else... yeah i tried that
[17:35] <guest4745757575> but how can i assing the mount points for root and home or swap?
[17:35] <penguin42> guest4745757575: and it lets you change a partition type as physical partition for encryption - sorted
[17:35] <guest4745757575> assign
[17:36] <guest4745757575> since i want to put the swap on a normal hdd, but this should belong to the lvm ofc
[17:36] <penguin42> guest4745757575: Create one partition, asssign it as physical partition for encryption, then it should let you use that as the backing of LVM , and add individual partitions to that
[17:36] <guest4745757575> and shopuld be also encrypted...
[17:39] <penguin42> guest4745757575: Having said that, I can't persuade it to let me do anything after I've chosen that option
[17:40] <guest4745757575> penguin42, i want the lvm with / and /home on the ssd and the swap on a normal hdd. ofc everything with lvm.... seems that i can not do that with newer ubuntu versions without and alternate cd.... just amazing
[17:40] <guest4745757575> -d
[17:41] <penguin42> guest4745757575: Yeh that's weird I'll agree
[17:41] <guest4745757575> so ubuntu starts to be useless like a fifth wheel on a car...
[17:42] <guest4745757575> outstanding!
[17:42] <penguin42> guest4745757575: File a bug on the installer; I agree with you on this
[17:42] <penguin42> guest4745757575: To me the problem seems to be the something-else crypto stuff is broken
[17:42] <guest4745757575> penguin42, its the same shit in 13.10 or what so ever came after 12.04
[17:42] <guest4745757575> no alternate cd = ubuntu is useless for my needs
[17:43] <penguin42> guest4745757575: The way I would do it is to manually create the luks/lvm set and then install - it normally lets you do that
[17:44] <guest4745757575> since they still not fixed it, im sure its a waste of time to complain and write a ticket @bugtracker
[17:45] <guest4745757575> also another thing... why do i not see this network icon at the top right? does canonical thing we dont need it anymore?
[17:45] <penguin42> guest4745757575: Hmm I just got it to do it, but I deleted my partitions and started again
[17:45] <guest4745757575> i mean thins indicator
[17:45] <guest4745757575> this
[17:45]  * penguin42 never uses unity so I don't know
[17:45] <guest4745757575> its gnome shell!
[17:45]  * penguin42 is a kde penguin
[17:50] <siavoshkc> Hi
[17:51] <siavoshkc> I need to install display driver for my old ati all -in wonder
[17:53] <siavoshkc> because ubuntu is running extemely slow
[17:53] <siavoshkc> and I think maybe it is because of display driver
[17:53] <siavoshkc> How can I do it from terminal or GUI?
[17:55] <bekks> siavoshkc: Which "old"?
[17:56] <siavoshkc> everything is old except the ubuntu
[17:56] <bekks> siavoshkc: Which card is it exactly?
[17:56] <siavoshkc> hard to answer
[17:57] <siavoshkc> it is one with internal tuner which is able to capture video
[17:57] <siavoshkc> ???? Radeon 128 ????
[17:58] <penguin42> I don't think you have much choice with those
[17:58] <penguin42> I don't think AMD have supported those in the closed drivers for ages
[17:59] <siavoshkc> I dont want amd drivers
[17:59] <siavoshkc> I want freex86(?)
[17:59] <penguin42> that should be installed by default
[18:00] <bekks> siavoshkc: Those drivers are in use by default.
[18:01] <siavoshkc> Can I disable desktop effects?
[18:02] <siavoshkc> It is that slow that I have a hard time opening terminal
[18:02] <penguin42> siavoshkc: With a card like that I'd use a different desktop; xfwm should work fine on it
[18:23] <siavoshkc> What is a different desktop?
[18:23] <siavoshkc> you mean other than gnome?
[18:25] <penguin42> yes
[18:30] <siavoshkc> it will be another nightmare
[18:31] <penguin42> possibly, but Gnome3 or unity aren't going to work well on an old card
[18:32] <siavoshkc> the problem is that I am not sure if the problem is the driver
[18:32] <siavoshkc> it can be something else
[18:33] <penguin42> siavoshkc: Gnome3 will be trying to do OpenGL stuff, and probably falling back to using llvm to do it - it's going to be slow
[18:36] <siavoshkc> system has free memory and it is athlon xp 20000
[18:36] <penguin42> very interesting, but I've told you your choices
[18:38] <siavoshkc> how can I be sure that falling back is happening?
[18:48] <dupondje> [   35.742959] input: HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=3 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card0/input14
[18:48] <dupondje> Any idea's why this isn't shown in PulseAudio?
[18:51] <penguin42> dupondje: I think the input refers to a button/presence like thing rather than actual audio
[18:51] <penguin42> dupondje: Does it show up in /proc/asound/cards
[18:52] <dupondje>  0 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
[18:52] <dupondje>                       HDA Intel PCH at 0xf1c00000 irq 55
[18:52] <dupondje> but
[18:52] <dupondje> $ cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* |grep Codec
[18:52] <dupondje> Codec: Realtek ALC665
[18:52] <dupondje> Codec: Intel CougarPoint HDMI
[18:53] <penguin42> hmm ok
[18:54] <penguin42> dupondje: what about pactl list   ?
[18:56] <dupondje> its there, but SUSPENDED
[18:56] <penguin42> hmm
[18:57] <penguin42> dupondje: Can you do something like   pactl  set-default-sink to tell it to use it?
[19:00] <dupondje> wont work :(
[19:00] <dupondje> ah well
[19:02] <penguin42> not too sure, I'd play with pactl and pacmd - I think with HDMI there's a lot of magic with getting the TV and card in compatible modes and stuff but I've never fought it - I still use analog
[19:57] <jjdjdjd> i need to do a fresh instyall should i reinstall 13.10 or install 14.04
[19:57] <penguin42> jjdjdjd: If you need to reinstall anyway you may as well try 14.04
[19:57] <jjdjdjd> is it stable
[19:58]  * penguin42 only has the KDE version running and that's OK, but it won't run the unity version in a vm for me, but that seems like a graphics driver issue
[19:58] <jjdjdjd> where is the torrent
[19:59] <jjdjdjd> penguin42:  where do i get the torrent for ubuntu 14.03 beta 1
[20:00]  * penguin42 doesn't know - I downloaded it whole
[20:00] <jjdjdjd> it is taking for ever to download it
[20:01] <BluesKaj> penguin42, which VM ?
[20:01] <penguin42> BluesKaj: KVM with spice, compiz dies as soon as I open a terminal
[20:01] <penguin42> (haven't tested for a week or two)
[20:02] <jjdjdjd> BluesKaj:  do you know where torrwent is
[20:03] <jjdjdjd> ripps:  do you know where torrent is
[20:03] <jjdjdjd> rww:
[20:04] <BluesKaj> jjdjdjd, ktorrent?
[20:04] <jjdjdjd> the torrent for ubuntu 14.04 beta 1
[20:05] <jjdjdjd> how can i help with ubuntu 14.04
[20:06] <ikonia> fix bugs ?
[20:06] <BluesKaj> oh , the ubuntu 14.04 dailies http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:06] <jjdjdjd> ikonia:  i cant code
[20:07] <ikonia> jjdjdjd: ok so why don't you tell us what YOU can do to help
[20:07] <ikonia> jjdjdjd: rather than us list things you can't do
[20:07] <jjdjdjd> what should i install daily or beta 1
[20:07] <ikonia> what do you want to install ?
[20:07] <BluesKaj> don't see any torrent available tho
[20:07] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I don't think the daily is torrented
[20:08] <jjdjdjd> is the beta 1 torrented
[20:08] <BluesKaj> yeah looks so ikonia
[20:08] <BluesKaj> jjdjdjd, doubt it
[20:08] <ikonia> BluesKaj: understandable if you think about it
[20:08] <BluesKaj> yes ikonia
[20:08] <jjdjdjd> what can i do to help besides coding
[20:09] <ikonia> jjdjdjd: you tell us what you can do to help
[20:09] <jjdjdjd> idk what do you need help with]
[20:09] <ikonia> coding
[20:09] <ikonia> what skills do you have / things you can do that you think "that will be helpful"
[20:10] <jjdjdjd> i dont know
[20:10] <ikonia> ok, so think about it then
[20:10] <jjdjdjd> i can get ubottu to join
[20:10] <ikonia> join what ?
[20:11] <jjdjdjd> here
[20:11] <ikonia> it's already here
[20:11] <jjdjdjd> no
[20:11] <ikonia> yes, it is
[20:11] <ikonia> !test
[20:11] <jjdjdjd> never mine
[20:12] <jjdjdjd> whatever i guess i just wont give help
[20:12] <brainwash> jjdjdjd: see http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/
[20:13] <BluesKaj> browser bar fonts are acting up again, letters look like black squares and rectangles
[20:13] <ikonia> BluesKaj: wasn't that shown to be a propritary driver issue last time ?
[20:16] <jjdjdjd> if i find a solutiobn to any issues i will document it and tell here
[20:17] <ikonia> that's not really going to be useful
[20:17] <ikonia> if there is a bug, put the information in the bug report so it can be resolved
[20:17] <ikonia> if there is a problem with no bug, then log the bug and put the resolution in it
[20:18] <BluesKaj> I don't recall ikonia, using the i915 intel driver here, but my old desktop is running fine without any artifacts on 14.04 KDE as well  with nvidia 331 driver
[20:19] <ikonia> BluesKaj: there was a similar issue for 12.10 or something around there which was the same but it was down to the propritary modules
[20:20] <jjdjdjd> Documentation  When you find a solution to a problem, you can help others by writing about your experience. Some of the most constructive ways to get involved in the Ubuntu documentation community might be:      Take notes as you puzzle through a problem. If documentation already exists, you can extend or improve it. If it doesn’t, go ahead and add a page in the help wiki, and write up the answer making it available to everyone.
[20:20] <jjdjdjd> that is what i will do
[20:21] <ikonia> that will be a waste of time on the pre-release products
[20:21] <ikonia> as I've just tried to explain why
[20:23] <jjdjdjd> then what can i do i want to help but i am only starting to learn how to code
[20:25] <jjdjdjd> ikonia:  what does not work in 14.04 where can i read bug reports
[20:25] <ikonia> jjdjdjd: launchpad
[20:26] <jjdjdjd> link
[20:26] <ikonia> nah, if you're not going to put in that level of effort, I'm not going to feed you
[20:27] <jjdjdjd> !launchpad
[20:27] <jjdjdjd> thank you ubottu
[20:32] <jjdjdjd> ikonia:  are you willing to teach me how to become a dev
[20:32] <ikonia> you've just said you can't write code
[20:33] <ikonia> so how can you expect to be a developer ?
[20:33] <jjdjdjd> i am starting to learn c++
[20:33] <ikonia> so learn c++
[20:33] <jjdjdjd> via arduino
[20:34] <jjdjdjd> what language is ubuntu in
[20:34] <ikonia> many
[20:34] <jjdjdjd> how can it be in more than 1
[20:34] <ikonia> it's made up of lots of components
[20:41] <jjdjdjd> gtg be back on 14.04 when its done installing
[21:02] <hshjsdkdflf> ikonia:  my ubuntu 154.04 beta 1 is stuck on detect keyboard
[21:02] <hshjsdkdflf> it says press on of the following keys and it isnt responding
[21:02] <penguin42> in the year 2154 we won't have any keyboards
[21:06] <hshjsdkdflf> !time
[21:10] <ikonia> hshjsdkdflf: why are you telling me ?
[21:11] <hshjsdkdflf> i was hoping you would tell me how to fix it
[21:11] <ikonia> hshjsdkdflf: no idea, what have you done so far to work the problem through ?
[21:12] <hshjsdkdflf> i rebooted and reinstalling now
[21:13] <ikonia> that's not really working the problem through, thats just rebooting and hoping it goes away
[21:13] <hshjsdkdflf> well it did go away
[21:13] <hshjsdkdflf> was ubuntu 13.10 unity adn 14.04 gnome
[21:13] <ikonia> what ??
[21:13] <ikonia> you just said it was 14.04 beta
[21:14] <hshjsdkdflf> yes'
[21:14] <hshjsdkdflf> 14.04 is gnome right
[21:14] <ikonia> but then you said it was 13.10 with 14.04 gnome
[21:15] <ikonia> you are not mean to to mix repos, it will break things
[21:15] <hshjsdkdflf> let me rephrase that
[21:15] <Nothing_Much> hshjsdkdflf: Ubuntu has different flavors, Ubuntu Gnome is one of them, version numbers are just those, version numbers
[21:15] <ikonia> and your inability to even describe what version of the OS you are using is a concern
[21:15] <hshjsdkdflf> ubuntu 13.10 had unity as default but 14.04 has gnome as default right
[21:15] <ikonia> no
[21:16] <hshjsdkdflf> ....
[21:16] <hshjsdkdflf> are they both default gnome
[21:17] <ikonia> no
[21:17] <hshjsdkdflf> then what
[21:17] <ikonia> ubuntu uses unity
[21:18] <hshjsdkdflf> then why does the installer say learn more about ubuntu gnome
[21:18] <ikonia> this is a waste of time, I suggest sticking with the stable version of ubuntu and waiting for the official release of 14.04
[21:51] <basketballll> wow this looks different wheres the launcher
[21:52] <basketballll> ikonia:  is there a guide of how to get around
[21:52] <ikonia> get around what ?
[21:52] <basketballll> ubuntu 14.04
[21:52] <ikonia> it's still in development so the "guides" arn't published
[21:53] <basketballll> how do i minimeze a window
[21:53] <ikonia> looks the same on my test machine though
[21:53] <ikonia> icons on the top left ?
[21:53] <basketballll> where is the launcher
[21:54] <ikonia> on the left.....
[21:54] <ikonia> now I'm worried that my earlier build needs updating
[21:55] <basketballll> there is no launcher
[21:55] <ikonia> I guess I'll need to update mine then to bring in line with current
[21:56] <ikonia> are you sure you're not just running the mobile/table theme ?
[21:57] <basketballll> how do i check
[21:58] <ikonia> no idea from the mobile desktop
[22:05] <basketballll> ikonia:  why isnt there a minimize button in firefox
[22:12] <basketballll> hey ikonia  i just watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_i9OMqgSxo and it looks nothing like mine
[22:13] <basketballll> hey SorenHolm  i just watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_i9OMqgSxo and it looks nothing like mine
[22:15] <minimec> basketballll: Well... I upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04. There are no major changes in unity until now. I had to reset unity to defaults, because a quick ubuntu-gnome desktop test 'destroyed' my unity configuration. Only change I see is the possibility to put the menu of the current application into the window decoration.
[22:16] <basketballll> here i am going to screen shot my screen
[22:16] <basketballll> from the desktop
[22:16] <basketballll> will that help minimec
[22:17] <basketballll> minimec:  can you post a screenshot of your screen
[22:19] <minimec> basketballll: Well... Resetting unity to defaults might help. Well my screenshot would basically look like the screens on the youtube video you posted before.
[22:19] <basketballll> how do i reset it
[22:19] <minimec> basketballll: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/08/reset-unity-and-compiz-in-ubuntu-13-10/
[22:21] <basketballll> minimec:  why does mine look so different
[22:22] <minimec> basketballll: How should I know that... I do not know how your desktop looks like ;)
[22:23] <basketballll> there is no launcher and the top says activities and there is only an exit buttom
[22:26] <minimec> basketballll: You are on gnome3 ... ;) Put your mouse in the top left corner. Do you get any launcher panel with a search bar?
[22:26] <basketballll> yes
[22:26] <basketballll> why ios it like that
[22:27] <minimec> basketballll: Welcome to the gnome3 desktop... ;) So you are not using unity, but gnome3.
[22:28] <basketballll> can i get unity
[22:30] <basketballll> is there a guide to use gnome 3
[22:32] <minimec> basketballll: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop , then logout the session and choose ubuntu as session. Probably your desktop will be 'borked'. then reset unity to its defaults, following the link I gave you. Then 'sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-gnome-desktop'
[22:33] <basketballll> ok this gnome is ugly
[22:33] <minimec> basketballll: Also remove the 'ubuntu-gnome-default-settings' package
[22:34] <basketballll> minimec:  can you type all this in a pastebin please
[22:34] <minimec> basketballll: it's all written on the channel...
[22:37] <minimec> basketballll: 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' ; logout/login with gnome session, 'sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-gnome-desktop ubuntu-gnome-default-settings'
[22:38] <minimec> basketballll: ... reset unity to defaults... http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/08/reset-unity-and-compiz-in-ubuntu-13-10/
[22:38] <basketballll> is this one command sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-gnome-desktop ubuntu-gnome-default-settings'
[22:41] <minimec> basketballll: yes
[22:42] <minimec> basketballll: without '
[22:59] <basketballll> minimec:  i am installing uinity what do i select as default gdm or light dm
[22:59] <minimec> basketballll: lightdm
[23:48] <subz3r0> hi
[23:48] <subz3r0> my time is wrong. any suggestions? location is set correctly
[23:49] <subz3r0> network time is also on. but it seems it gets the wrong time. +1 hour