[00:04] <maps|wrk> compiling ntp taking a while
[00:10] <shauno> I gotta ask, why are you compiling it?
[00:14] <maps|wrk> wrong one i think anyway..wanted to run an ntp server ..bored;/
[01:31] <daftykins> maps|wrk: surely you don't have time for that... ;)
[01:31] <maps|wrk> :)
[07:55] <map> hey
[08:26] <foobarry> mornings
[08:39] <map> morning mate
[08:43] <foobarry> here have a free ebook http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl/I-was-there.html
[08:48] <map> sounds like it might be worh a read
[09:21] <calju16> good morning chaps!
[09:22] <map> orning
[09:22] <map> *morning
[09:22] <foobarry> just got on a youtube trip
[09:23] <foobarry> hey ya-> teenage dirtbag -> in too deep/sum41 -> jerk it out
[09:23] <map> heh
[09:23] <foobarry> random 90s music
[09:23] <foobarry> jerk it out reminds me of ssx3
[09:23] <foobarry> loved that game
[09:24] <map> ssx3? cant think what that stands for
[09:24] <map> too early;]
[09:24] <calju16> lol
[09:24] <calju16> Oh wow... updates galore this morning!
[09:24] <popey> morning
[09:25] <foobarry> ssx3 snowboarding
[09:25] <map> ah
[09:25] <popey> ooh, new wallpapers
[09:26] <calju16> gotta love 'em!
[09:31] <foobarry> inspiral carpets, saturn5...20 yrs old :-|
[09:34] <foobarry> japan is so wrong http://www.dailydot.com/lol/babymetal-metal-japanese-pop/
[09:38] <calju16> Lol, now that's actually pretty interesting!
[09:41] <foobarry> "interesting"
[09:42] <foobarry> seemed to be a large crowd of perv^H^H^H^ boys/men
[10:26] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:29] <popey> yo
[10:30] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:42] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[11:27] <map> jeez
[11:27] <map> ive sat here and almost drunk the whole bottle of zubrowka ...its hard judging how much is a single or double at home
[11:53] <foobarry> sharpie on the outside on your glass
[11:54] <foobarry> graduated markings
[11:56] <popey> map: one finger or two fingers generally
[11:56] <foobarry> empty nutella jars (small) make very nice tumblers
[11:57] <popey> i dont think we've ever finished a jar of nutella
[11:57] <foobarry> :-|
[11:57] <popey> rarely buy it
[11:57]  * popey ponders what to do for lunch
[11:57] <foobarry> i don't eat it but wifey chugs it
[11:57] <foobarry> saturday so i'm having usual..bacon sarnie
[11:58] <popey> need to get some herbs for the lamb for tea
[11:58] <map> go out popey
[11:58] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/slow_roast_leg_of_lamb_34951 doing that
[11:58] <map> hungry horse is ok
[11:58] <popey> my kids love hh
[11:58] <map> the one in chertsey is it?
[11:58] <map> wait
[11:58] <map> no thats not where i go
[11:59] <foobarry> mmm i should do that lamb in the slow cooker
[11:59] <popey> farnborough
[11:59] <popey> dont think my leg of lamb will fit in the slow cooker
[11:59] <map> hmm
[11:59] <map> is tghere one in camberly?
[11:59] <popey> its fine in the oven anyway
[11:59] <map> maybe i went there
[11:59] <popey> map: hawley
[12:00] <foobarry> i wonder how much it costs to run the oven at 160 for 3.5 hrs
[12:01] <popey> hmm, i should go and get some herbs brb
[12:01] <foobarry> went into loft for some undercoat. tin had dried out solid :(
[12:01]  * foobarry has rosemary bush in front garden
[12:02] <foobarry> maybe thats what going out means
[12:02] <penguin42> does George know?
[12:02] <map> ah no
[12:02] <map> i went to the kings arms popey
[12:03] <map> i just had to check their site:0
[12:03] <map> and thats what it said
[12:03] <map> GU249BL is nearest
[12:12] <popey> bah, can't go out to get herbs, wifey ill
[12:13] <map> :(
[12:13] <map> why cant you go on your own
[12:14] <popey> someone needs to look after the kids
[12:14] <map> ah but she;s there
[12:14] <popey> ill, in bed
[12:14] <map> oh
[12:15] <popey> minetest is a pretty decent free alternative to minecraft it turns out
[12:15] <popey> and very expandible
[12:15] <foobarry> friendly neighbour?
[12:16] <map> urh
[12:16] <map> my heart hurts again;/
[12:16] <map> same as yesterday
[12:17] <foobarry> must be the vodka
[12:17] <map> na
[12:17] <map> smoking
[12:17] <map> i quit but smoke time and time again like
[12:17] <foobarry> map is the king of vice: casinos, spirits and smoking...and irc
[12:17] <brobostigon> also i find minetest to be somewhat more resource friendly compared to minecraft.
[12:17] <map> and vodka..pfft i aint drunk that much:)
[12:17] <map> get lost foobarry
[12:17] <map> lol
[12:18] <map> thats why i have no girlfriend and im on my own :)
[12:19] <foobarry> you work night shifts don't you?
[12:19] <foobarry> must be hard to socialise
[12:19] <map> ya
[12:19] <map> yea it is
[12:20] <foobarry> best way i know of talking to new people is walking a dog
[12:20] <map> not sure what that means
[12:20] <foobarry> its not a euphemism
[12:20] <map> ive seen you in here before..am i a new people
[12:21] <foobarry> i mean irl#
[12:21] <map> ah
[12:21] <brobostigon> its about a common interest with other people.
[12:21] <map> yea
[12:21] <foobarry> walk a dog, you are guaranteed to have a convo with soemone
[12:21] <brobostigon> about dogs.
[12:21] <foobarry> and also you get to ask dogs names, which isn't weird
[12:22] <foobarry> talking about dogs is the gateway to converation
[12:23] <foobarry> anyone will talk to you, girls in 20s, blokes your age, teenagers, housewives
[12:23] <map> on where?
[12:23] <foobarry> field, park, woods
[12:24] <foobarry> outside a shop, everyone just walks to talk
[12:24] <map> this has to be a joke
[12:24] <foobarry> "i iz wanting a dog, my mum won't let me innit"
[12:24] <map> yea
[12:24] <foobarry> nope
[12:25] <foobarry> probably need a cute/friendly/quirky dog
[12:25] <foobarry> whenver i tie her outside a shop she does a impression of abandoned puppy
[12:26] <brobostigon> cuteness in a package, apparently.
[12:26] <foobarry> minetest looks a lot like mincecraft
[12:27] <brobostigon> it is,
[12:27] <foobarry> why do my fingers always type mince
[12:27] <brobostigon> i didnt see that mistake.
[12:41] <foobarry> i wonder why they shows you the crime on joanthan creek last week
[12:41] <foobarry> haven't watched this weeks one yet
[12:43] <brobostigon> i havent watched the new one yet either.
[12:55] <aquarius> marxjohn1on, ping about btsync
[12:59] <calju16> hey there folks.
[12:59] <calju16> hows it going?
[13:01] <calju16> does anyone have any experience with Java?
[13:02] <penguin42> not good experience....
[13:03] <calju16> well, I'm trying to get addon chat to load in a website - I've just re-installed and updated java on my machine, but it still won't seem to work
[13:21] <popey> aquarius: btsync?
[13:22] <aquarius> popey, ya
[13:22] <aquarius> am playing with it
[13:22]  * popey played with it and switched
[13:22] <popey> to syncthing instead
[13:23] <aquarius> my two big concerns were: can I browse files on my mobile without syncing them all, and can it sync between two natted machines on different lans?
[13:23] <aquarius> and I'm fine with both
[13:23] <aquarius> however, there is a new issue, which is: if you add files to a folder your ios phone already knows about, then it correctly shows you the files but does not download them
[13:23] <popey> there is a btsync for ios?
[13:24] <aquarius> but... when you first set up a folder on ios, it syncs the whole content, afaict
[13:24] <aquarius> there is indeed
[13:24] <aquarius> and android
[13:24] <aquarius> and there's an ubuntu arm client
[13:24] <aquarius> which ought to not be all that difficult to wedge into a click package ;)
[13:35] <aquarius> popey, syncthins is single-folder, so I can't use it. Also, no arm port, no android port, and no ios port, yet :)
[13:36] <popey> there is an arm port
[13:36] <popey> I asked him to, and he did
[13:36] <popey> i have run it on my ubuntu phone
[13:36] <aquarius> oh, sorry, there is but it's listed as untested. Apologies.
[13:37] <aquarius> the single-folder thing is the killer for me, though.
[13:37] <popey> syncthing is also open source
[13:37] <aquarius> what turned you off btsync?
[13:37] <popey> the fact that its proprietary and relies on an external service
[13:37] <aquarius> I'm not all that worried about opensourceness
[13:37] <aquarius> it has to rely on an external service for nat-to-nat syncing, though
[13:37] <aquarius> if there's no server anywhere, you can't do stun/turn stuff
[13:38] <popey> no, it does not.
[13:38] <popey> (need to rely on an external service)
[13:38] <popey> i run it on one box with a public IP which is the central server
[13:38] <popey> and I control that box
[13:38] <aquarius> that's an external service :)
[13:38] <aquarius> you might happen to *run* it ;)
[13:39] <aquarius> I don't have anything like that
[13:39] <popey> no, you rely on a 3rd party
[13:39] <popey> and send who-knows-what to them
[13:39] <aquarius> ah. By "external" I thought you meant "outside your network on the public internet", and you actually meant "run by someone who isn't me".
[13:39] <popey> yes
[13:40] <aquarius> I'm not worried about that; if I wasn't using something like btsync I'd be using U1 or Dropbox
[13:40] <aquarius> which are also external :)
[13:40] <popey> well, thats my goal
[13:40] <aquarius> by both definitions :)
[13:40] <popey> not use u1/dropbox/btsync for that reason
[13:40] <aquarius> fair enough. I'm not as worried about other people's servers as you.
[13:41] <popey> you've changed ☻
[13:41] <aquarius> I have.
[13:41] <aquarius> Life is just too short to wear the stupid tin foil hat all the time.
[13:41] <aquarius> Convenience and beauty, that's what I like :)
[13:42] <popey> its not about tin foil hat
[13:42] <aquarius> oh?
[13:42] <popey> well, there's a bit of that
[13:43] <popey> but I like that I can sync between my machines and not be reliant on a 3rd party at all
[13:43] <aquarius> how is "I won't use a server if I don't run it" not tin foil hat?
[13:43] <bashrc> the quickest way to lose your freedom is to focus only upon convenience
[13:43] <aquarius> I mean, it's justified, if it worries you
[13:43] <popey> because tin foil hat is a pejorative term
[13:43] <aquarius> bashrc, you're assuming that I care about my freedom enough for that to be a problem.
[13:43] <popey> and I don't associate with that stereotype
[13:43] <aquarius> popey, yes, and I shouldn't have phrased it that way.
[13:43] <popey> I just want contro
[13:43] <popey> I just want to know where my shit is
[13:44] <popey> *handwavy* some server in the cloud
[13:44] <popey> _not_ good enough
[13:44] <aquarius> Myself, I am massively aware that I am a considerably worse sysadmin than someone who's paid to do it.
[13:44] <popey> ditto
[13:44] <bashrc> also I want to know where the logs and private keys are
[13:44] <popey> i also like playing with new stuff now and then
[13:44] <bashrc> if I don't control them, then I'm someone else's puppet
[13:44] <popey> syncthing and go are new stuff
[13:44] <aquarius> that means that if I try and run a whole service myself, I'll just screw it up and it won't work, and I need it to work.
[13:45] <bashrc> I have a set of instructions for you at freedombone.uk.to
[13:46] <aquarius> BTSync say that the stuff which goes through their server is encrypted. Now, might they be lying? Yes. Am I prepared to take the risk that they're downright deceitful just in order to steal my stuff, in order that I can have everything backed up and available on all my devices in three commands and never have to touch it again? Yes.
[13:46] <popey> not the vector I am worried about
[13:46] <popey> "Hello BtSync, We are XXX, we would like to see the data for user "sil""
[13:46] <popey> "Ok"
[13:47] <popey> bashrc: is that your website?
[13:47] <aquarius> Right. I'm not worried *enough* about that to put myself to relatively serious inconvenience to avoid it.
[13:47] <aquarius> It is perfectly reasonable for someone else to see that tradeoff differently from how I do.
[13:48] <aquarius> (and I shouldn't implicitly sneer at it by calling it tin-foil-hat-ness, for which apologies.)
[13:48] <bashrc> are you sure that your social graph is of no interest to the surveillance aparatus?
[13:49] <aquarius> No. I think it possibly is.
[13:49] <bashrc> maybe you're within two degrees of someone
[13:49] <aquarius> My point is not "I think that I won't get noticed", it's "am I worried *enough* about getting noticed to do extra work to avoid that problem", and the answer is: no.
[13:49] <bashrc> maybe your patterns happen to be similar to the patterns of someone
[13:49] <bashrc> by chance of bad data mining methods
[13:50] <bashrc> error, over-generalisation, etc
[13:50] <aquarius> I agree. If I get picked up for something, it will likely be unfair and wrong that I was picked up.
[13:50] <aquarius> Again, am I worried enough about the risk of that that I'm prepared to go to big effort to avoid it? No.
[13:51] <aquarius> My files are, tbh, less of a concern here than my social graph, and I'm not going to stop using twitter and g+ and gmail either.
[13:52] <aquarius> Given that I'm already assuming the inherent risk by using those services, putting my synced files through BTSync's servers in (what they say is) an encrypted fashion does not, in my opinion, measurably increase that risk.
[13:53] <aquarius> I don't need the "freedombox"; I have a server already. That bit's not the problem. What I want is to be able to sync files from my dad's machine to my server, for syncing to happen automatically without me having to do anything once I've set up a folder, and to be able to browse (and individually download) my files from my phone(s).
[13:53] <aquarius> I *could* set all that up myself -- run rsync commands, ssh tunnel from my phone into my server, write a little web gui to do it.
[13:53] <bashrc> maybe yes
[13:53] <aquarius> But that's so much more work than "add-apt-repository btsync; apt-get install btsync" that I just don't want to do it.
[13:54] <bashrc> is btsync similar to rsync?
[13:58] <aquarius> No. rsync is (as you know) explicit point-to-point copying -- it's basically a much more efficient "cp". btsync is bit-torrent based; you set a magic key on a particular folder, and then teach a client on another machine that magic key, and it uses bittorrent (probably) to transfer the data.
[14:00] <bashrc> apparently bittorrent sync is closed source.  ergo it can't possibly be secure
[14:00] <aquarius> No. Ergo you can't possibly *know* that it's secure, which is not the same thing.
[14:01] <bashrc> if it's unverifiable you can safely assume it's backdoored
[14:01] <aquarius> However, as mentioned above, I'm not all that worried about that, because I think it's reasonable to trust what BitTorrent.com say about it. Again, it's obviously fine that some people would make that tradeoff differently from me.
[14:01] <aquarius> popey, did you listen to http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=1441 ? that's an illustration of just how *much* I've changed :)
[14:03] <bashrc> which is fine if you want anyone to be able to see what you're doing (such as an open source project, public discussion group, etc)
[14:45]  * neuro does the "changing ec2 instance type massively improves performance" happy dance
[14:46] <neuro> and when i say massive, i mean mahoosive
[14:46] <neuro> https://www.dropbox.com/s/w375hm6gnsbeznl/Screenshot%202014-03-08%2014.46.41.png
[15:00] <Hornet> anyone hit a wonderful bug wherein the usb keyboard dies at installation?
[15:01] <Hornet> utterly hosed now, as I can't install on my server at all
[15:01] <neuro> no, but then again i can't remember the last time i did an install with a usb keyboard
[15:03] <mfraz74> only time I had to use a USB keyboard was when I installed it on a server. Never had any problems with it dying. Have you tried an older version?
[15:03] <neuro> and have you tried connecting to all the USB ports?
[15:04] <Hornet> tried all usb ports yes
[15:04] <Hornet> 6 in total
[15:04] <Hornet> two keyboards
[15:04] <Hornet> only other port is an e-sata
[15:04] <Hornet> so....
[15:05] <Hornet> I've not tried an older version, I suppose that might in theory work
[15:05] <mfraz74> does it finish the install? is ssh enabled?
[15:05] <Hornet> previous LTS would make some sense
[15:05] <neuro> what version are you trying to install?
[15:06] <Hornet> does it hell
[15:06] <Hornet> dies at language selection
[15:06] <neuro> what version are you trying to install?
[15:06] <Hornet> one second
[15:06] <neuro> k
[15:07] <Hornet> on a dying laptop atm
[15:07] <neuro> awww
[15:07] <Hornet> swapthrashes every time I try to do anything
[15:07] <Hornet> ubuntu-13.10-server-amd64.iso
[15:07] <Hornet> from a USB stick
[15:07] <neuro> yup
[15:07] <mfraz74> Would a network console install work? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole
[15:07] <neuro> 13.10 has problems allegedl
[15:07] <neuro> y
[15:08] <neuro> http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/157789-SOLVED!-Ubuntu-13-10-keybored-and-mouse-stops-working-after-some-time!
[15:08] <neuro> looks like injecting some noacpi love to the kernel will solve it
[15:08] <Hornet> oho
[15:08] <Hornet> one moment
[15:08] <Hornet> or several, while that page deigns to load
[15:08] <Hornet> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1244176 that seems to be it btw
[15:08] <neuro> yeah, that's talking about the desktop install
[15:09] <neuro> the page i linked to
[15:11] <neuro> yeah so mashing F6 at the boot screen of the installer seems to be the way to go
[15:12] <neuro> and add the acpi=off and noapic options
[15:12] <Hornet> shall give it a shot shortly and report back
[15:13] <Hornet> thanks :)
[16:05] <Hornet> neuro: him no work
[16:06] <Hornet> I'm using a unetbootin-made stick, so have no F6 option, but tab edits the kernel command
[16:06] <Hornet> --acpi=off did nothing
[16:11] <Hornet> noapic doesn't alter anything either
[16:18] <Hornet> so, I now cannot install at all
[16:18] <Hornet> wonderful
[16:19] <Hornet> should I try the old LTS?
[16:28]  * Hornet pokes neuro
[16:28] <neuro> yo
[16:28] <neuro> actually, if you're installing a server, LTS makes the most sense
[16:28] <neuro> 12.04 will be supported until 2017, and 14.04 is out next month, so you could do-release-upgrade to that if you wanted to
[16:29] <neuro> (well, once 14.04.1 is out, historically speaking)
[16:30] <Hornet> yus, that's what I was thinking
[16:30] <Hornet> it's more steps backwards, but only one forwards later on
[16:31] <Hornet> the unsettling thing though, is I had a bug like this before once
[16:31] <Hornet> with bloody Gutsy
[16:31] <Hornet> so that's clearly not been fixed too well
[16:32] <Hornet> thus I do have to wonder if it'll fix it
[16:32] <Hornet> otherwise I suppose a net install is the only option
[16:32] <Hornet> which is mad
[16:32] <neuro> you should be fine with 12.04
[16:37] <Hornet> downloading
[16:37] <Hornet> once more unto the breach
[16:37] <Hornet> back in a while!
[16:37] <Hornet> thanks again
[16:37] <neuro> heh
[16:52] <SuperMatt> howdy strangers
[16:54] <brobostigon> afternoodlings SuperMatt
[16:54] <SuperMatt> is this lovely afternoon finding you well?
[16:55] <brobostigon> sunny warm blue skies. :)
[16:55] <SuperMatt> I don't know where this cleamant weather has come from
[16:55] <brobostigon> north atlantic gulf stream shift?
[16:58] <SuperMatt> ah yes, probably that
[16:59]  * SuperMatt closes down gimp
[16:59] <SuperMatt> turns out you can't polish a turd
[16:59] <daftykins> guys help, my cat is trying to re-enact the Shining under my bathroom door D:
[16:59] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/du3h198rtrlzo9l/IMG_20140308_164151.jpg
[16:59]  * SuperMatt stops taking selfies
[17:00] <SuperMatt> I worry that right now I'm taking a look at a picture which was captured while you were on the loo
[17:00] <daftykins> have no fear, i took that whilst cleaning
[17:01] <SuperMatt> phew
[17:01] <SuperMatt> ok, I need a "going out" album to listen to
[18:04] <foobarry> just watch this 10 times instead http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr05/1/8/anigif_enhanced-20624-1393682176-3.gif
[18:43] <penguin42> heck, Scan has got a by-royal-appointment
[21:45] <marshmn> is there any certification available for Ubuntu system admins?
[21:46] <marshmn> if not official Ubuntu specific ones, then can anyone recommend an alternative?
[21:47] <MartijnVdS> marshmn: there's LPI
[21:47] <penguin42> marshmn: I've never really done any of that, but perhaps lpi.org ?
[21:48] <marshmn> ok, thanks, will take a look further at those
[21:51] <marshmn> this also looks of interest: https://linuxacademy.com/
[21:52] <marshmn> we have some staff at work who are at different levels, and I'm trying to figure out the best way to bring everyone up to a standard that we need
[21:52] <marshmn> since we do a fair bit of work with AWS as well as with Linux in general, that link looks like it could well be what I'm looking for
[21:55] <penguin42> marshmn: Check it's actually certifications you want
[21:57] <marshmn> it's certainly not just that
[21:57] <marshmn> certainly it's training too
[21:58] <marshmn> I just wondered if there were exams/certifications out there that are decent and would ensure that everyone has reached a required standard
[21:58] <marshmn> but for sure it's only part of what I'm looking into
[21:59] <daftykins> i think we got visited by a Linux Academy guy when i was at Uni way back in ~2007
[22:02] <map> urgh
[22:02] <map> feel worsre than i hoped
[22:02] <map> drunk the entire bottle passed out
[22:02] <map> :D
[22:02] <jussi> I may or may not have had too much to drink also... :P
[22:03] <map> :D
[22:03] <map> i didnt realise id drunk the entire bottle..its so nice
[22:03] <jussi> btw, I am currently "here" if someone has some drinking in mind... or even just "hanging out
[22:03] <jussi> "
[22:04] <map> what you been drinking
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> something finnish, most likely
[22:05] <map> ;D
[22:05] <map> so you must like heineken by that reckoning
[22:05] <map> heineken s ok though
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> map: nah, wine = faster :P
[22:05] <map> not amstel even?
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> map: *shudder*
[22:06] <map> lol
[22:06] <map> amstel is nice
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> amstel is canal water
[22:07] <map> i think utretch fc sold amstel
[22:07] <map> 99% of places were Heineken
[22:07] <map> in Amsterdam that i saw
[22:07]  * MartijnVdS has Chilean cabernet blanc
[22:07] <map> grolsch is ok
[22:07] <map> we had grolsch in a small pub in Utretcht
[22:07] <MartijnVdS> map: most tourist places are. You should go to Utrecht, lots of cafes have my brothers' beer (vandestreek-bier.nl)
[22:08] <map> 'err how should i say cycling is ok you wont get rapd' lol loved it when the girl said that
[22:08] <map> *raped
[22:08] <MartijnVdS> sauvignon blanc*
[22:08] <MartijnVdS> map: student towns... ;)
[22:10] <map> i went to a couiple dutch mostly places
[22:10] <map> but cant remember the names or where
[22:10] <MartijnVdS> 8-)