[02:27] <Private_User> experiencing very slow internet connections anybody else having the same issue?
[05:23] <Kilos> morning all
[05:23] <Kilos> hi feloegu 
[06:29] <Kilos> feloegu would you like some coffee?
[06:29] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[06:29]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[06:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:33] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[06:33] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:04] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[07:06] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:16] <Kilos> trying out hexchat, hope it has sound alerts
[07:18] <Kilos-> Maaz hi
[07:18]  * Maaz waves to Kilos-
[07:39] <Kilos> hi Tinuva 
[07:40] <Kilos> just installed hexchat and sound works.but only a little ping sound
[07:40] <Kilos> will get bell.ogg into its brain
[08:06] <magespawn> good morning
[08:08] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[08:29] <Kilos> hi magespawn Golynx 
[08:29]  * Kilos going to town to get telkom modem now
[08:29] <Kilos> wanna talk to you later about opera please Golynx 
[08:30] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[08:30] <Golynx> okay
[09:22] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[10:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:59] <charl_> good afternoon
[10:59] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[10:59]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:59] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[10:59] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[11:01] <charl_> how's it going
[11:01] <magespawn> hi charl_ 
[11:01] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[11:01] <Kilos> just got back from buying a talkom starter pack with modem
[11:01] <charl_> how's the dsl router going
[11:01] <Kilos> hard work going shopping
[11:01] <charl_> Kilos: don't you already have a modem?
[11:02] <Kilos> ya but keeps disconnecting
[11:02] <Kilos> now for once i have a new modern modem
[11:02] <charl_> Kilos: is that the fault of the modem or the network ?
[11:02] <charl_> maybe you need an external antenna
[11:03] <Kilos> something funny. it shows connected still in nm but nothing works
[11:03] <charl_> hmmm
[11:03] <Kilos> no man i get good signal here from the tower
[11:03] <charl_> which modem did you buy ?
[11:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[11:03] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[11:03] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[11:03] <Kilos> i gotta still open it to see what brand it it
[11:03] <charl_> ah ok
[11:04] <Kilos> says D-link and telkom mobile on the cover
[11:04] <charl_> ah
[11:04] <charl_> taiwan... very good
[11:04] <Kilos> says 14.4 mb/s
[11:04] <charl_> a modern 3g modem should be able to handle that
[11:05] <charl_> provided you have a good signal
[11:05] <Kilos> yeah i get 3 bars here
[11:05] <Kilos> i can see the tower about 500m away
[11:06] <Kilos> feloegu you still quiet?
[11:07] <Kilos> charl_ check if its a bot
[11:10] <Golynx> hi charl_
[11:10] <charl_> hi Golynx 
[11:10] <Golynx> wb Kilos
[11:11] <charl_> Kilos: i get no ctcp version response... looks like a bot
[11:11] <charl_> or somebody who disabled all ctcp responses
[11:12] <Kilos> ty
[11:12] <Kilos> will watch
[11:12] <charl_> yw
[11:12] <Golynx> shouldnt one ask permission to add a bot to a channel
[11:12] <Kilos> actually yes
[11:13] <charl_> Kilos: and it's connecting from a russian IP
[11:13] <charl_> yup looks a lot like a bot
[11:13] <charl_> Golynx: friendly bots shouldn't be a problem but it looks like something shady
[11:13] <Kilos> we need an op to kick it
[11:13] <charl_> Golynx: all bots should at least respond with a valid ctcp version
[11:14] <Golynx> oh ok thanks
[11:14] <charl_> Kilos: why you asking, has it done something?
[11:14] <Kilos> had a spate of them yesterday on other channels too
[11:14] <charl_> bah
[11:14] <Kilos> this is the 5th one
[11:15] <charl_> sheesh
[11:15] <charl_> i wasn't on freenode yesterday
[11:15] <Kilos> i dunno what they can do here without one seeing it
[11:16] <Kilos> feloegu ping
[11:16] <charl_> that feloegu doesn't even respond with a ctcp ping, something weird
[11:18] <Kilos> i wonder if its not them things that are used in ddos attacks on freenode
[11:18] <Golynx> maybe those ddos freaks testing some new attack
[11:19] <charl_> who knows, probably
[11:19] <charl_> or it's just for spamming people
[11:20] <Kilos> superfly ideas?
[11:40] <charl_> Kilos: don't worry about it too much, it isn't seem to be doing anything at the moment
[11:40] <charl_> just ping superfly or inetpro when they come back
[11:43] <superfly> !bot
[11:43] <superfly> sometimes that triggers them
[11:47] <Kilos> feloegu !bot
[11:47] <Kilos> superfly lets just kick the thing
[11:48] <charl_> a truly malicious bot will not be fooled that easily
[11:48] <charl_> but as far as i'm concerned, a client that does not respond with a ctcp version is a problem 
[11:51] <superfly> I know that Quassel had a bug a few years ago in how it dealt with CTCP requests, so the only way to stay on IRC when someone was exploiting it was to turn off CTCP
[11:51] <superfly> (they came into #quassel and started CTCP pinging everyone in there... was quite a fun day)
[11:51] <charl_> looooool
[11:52] <charl_> hilarious
[11:52] <Kilos> i turned off ctcp replies in hexchat here now
[11:53] <charl_> Kilos: you're using hexchat? on ubuntu?
[11:53] <Kilos> yeah
[11:53] <charl_> irssi is very good at handling ctcp requests, so i have no worries here
[11:53] <superfly> yeah, they fixed the bug that day and it rolled out over the next week to all the distros
[11:53] <Kilos> lot like xchat and if gives a timid alert where xchat had no sound alert
[11:54] <charl_> Kilos: i tried to install the ppa but it gave me a lot of errors on apt-get update
[11:54] <charl_> Kilos: apparently the package sources weren't valid or could not be found or something
[11:54] <Kilos> wow mine worked fine
[11:55] <charl_> Kilos: for the last two days in the office i was using hexchat on manjaro
[11:55] <charl_> i really like the feature where you can color-code usernames ...
[11:55] <Kilos> it seems close to what xchat was before it started giving sound probs
[11:55] <Kilos> thats too involved for me
[11:56] <inetpro> superfly: IIRC proper support for both DCC and CTCP is not yet included in Quassel
[11:56] <Kilos> inetpro hi
[11:56] <Kilos> kill the bot
[11:56] <inetpro> hello
[11:56] <superfly> inetpro: DCC is not included, CTCP is.
[11:57] <inetpro> superfly: but is it completely implemented?
[11:57] <charl_> what no irc client with dcc support ?
[11:57]  * inetpro looks at a very paranoid kilos
[11:57] <Kilos> hehe
[11:57] <superfly> I don't know... I would presume so, but since I never use it...
[11:57] <Kilos> kill it
[11:57] <charl_> *an irc client
[11:58] <charl_> *with no dcc support
[11:58] <charl_> phew i need to have more coffee :)
[11:58] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[11:58]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:58] <charl_> hi Iraeeu 
[11:58] <Iraeeu> Hey
[11:58]  * inetpro prefers a simple irc client without too many features
[11:58] <Kilos> hi Iraeeu welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:59] <inetpro> dcc is not needed on irc
[11:59] <inetpro> IMHO
[11:59] <Kilos> doesnt it just work?
[11:59] <charl_> you don't _need_ it but if you have no dcc you can't get files off file servers
[12:00] <charl_> dcc is extremely old though, i can't believe there are clients that still don't support it
[12:01] <inetpro> dcc is probably the biggest reason why irc is so unstable at times
[12:01] <inetpro> too many peeps exploiting it
[12:01] <charl_> that makes no sense, irc is only used to extablishing the connection
[12:01] <charl_> why exploiting ?
[12:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[12:02] <charl_> Maaz: thanks, now maybe i can wake up :)
[12:02] <Maaz> charl_: One learns a new thing every day
[12:03] <Iraeeu> Is this like a professional ubuntu chat or just a social hang out?
[12:04] <Kilos> the pro one Iraeeu 
[12:04] <superfly> Iraeeu: this is the official channel of the Ubuntu South Africa local community
[12:04] <Kilos> the social is at ##ubuntu-za-social
[12:05] <inetpro> and the social is non-official
[12:06] <Kilos> but we socialise here too
[12:06] <inetpro> Iraeeu: is there something we can help with?
[12:06] <Iraeeu> Not much, im just busy configuring a home server, trying to decide if I should install nfs-kernel-server or samba for file access
[12:07] <Iraeeu> probably better suited for the social channel
[12:07] <charl_> Iraeeu: personally i use sshfs because it's secure
[12:08] <Kilos> Iraeeu you can get help here the social channel is kinda empty
[12:08] <Kilos> all the brains are here
[12:08] <inetpro> Iraeeu: no problem to chat in here, we're not a support channel
[12:08] <Kilos> noobs chat on the social channel
[12:09] <inetpro> non of us is paid to be here
[12:09] <Iraeeu> I have sftp set up already, but I need something more user friendly for my parents, I will look into sshfs though
[12:10] <charl_> what client are they running ?
[12:10] <charl_> if you are connecting from windows client probably samba is best
[12:11] <Iraeeu> 12 LTS on the server, connecting with mac
[12:12] <charl_> oh, then samba yeah
[12:12] <charl_> mac is a good samba client
[12:12] <inetpro> cloud services like Ubuntu One or Dropbox are also good options for sharing files these days
[12:12] <charl_> nfs afaik is a security nightmare
[12:12] <charl_> inetpro: well then you have to trust caninical or dropbox with all your data
[12:12] <charl_> *canonical
[12:12] <inetpro> charl_: or you cook your own
[12:13] <charl_> i have a friend who tried owncloud but that ended up being a nightmare
[12:13] <Iraeeu> cool thanks, yea its just a raid server for storing family photos, I don't really want to use a cloud server because my home internet connection is too slow
[12:13] <charl_> (according to him)
[12:13] <inetpro> like ownCloud
[12:13] <superfly> or you can run ownCloud
[12:13] <superfly> charl_: works for me. no hassles
[12:13] <charl_> interesting
[12:13] <superfly> despite being PHP
[12:14] <charl_> aaargh php :(
[12:14] <Kilos> Iraeeu where are you?
[12:15] <Iraeeu> I set up a php intranet connection to amazon s3 and glacier for work, but they have a better internet connection at the office 
[12:15] <Golynx> who dissing PHP  :| 
[12:15] <Iraeeu> ownCloud seems like a mess
[12:15] <Iraeeu> JHB
[12:15] <superfly> Golynx: no one, it disses itself
[12:15] <Golynx> who's*
[12:15] <Golynx> hey Iraeeu
[12:16] <Iraeeu> Hi
[12:16] <Golynx> superfly i see nothing wrong with php. It does what its designed for really.
[12:16] <superfly> Golynx: uh, yeah. let's just not go there, mkay?
[12:16] <Iraeeu> yea, its getting better with composer as well
[12:16] <superfly> Golynx: what's the URL to one of your sites?
[12:16] <Golynx> superfly ok cool 
[12:17] <Iraeeu> Do you have any tips on getting my local server to stay on the same IP? I don't want it to change around after a power cut or restart...
[12:17] <Golynx> superfly: what do you mean
[12:18] <superfly> Golynx: show me one of your sites, I want to see if I can show you something about PHP
[12:18] <Golynx> Iraeeu: yeah composer is nice
[12:19] <charl_> Iraeeu: do you use dhcp on your lan? what's the dhcp server, dsl/cable router?
[12:20] <Golynx> superfly: lol no need to test for xss, url injection or any other vulnerabilities. Thats the first thing i sort out ;)
[12:20] <Golynx> thanks anyway
[12:20] <superfly> Oh, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about stuff built into PHP :-)
[12:21] <charl_> hi Rynomster 
[12:21] <Kilos> cool Iraeeu there are quite a few ubuntu and linux peeps in jhb
[12:21] <Iraeeu> Probably just the router might sort out the dhcp, need to check 
[12:21] <Kilos> and we are here all the time
[12:22] <charl_> Iraeeu: you should be able to configure it on the router, give the same static ip to the mac address of your server
[12:22] <Kilos> inetpro i got a telkom modem
[12:22] <Kilos> can do 14.4 mb/s
[12:23] <Kilos> so now you okes can stop telling me to get a decent modem
[12:23] <Golynx> superfly, hmm, if you can explain in a few sentences what it is you wana do ?
[12:23] <Kilos> that wonderpark shopping centre is massive hey?
[12:24] <Kilos> Golynx the fly wont damage anything. you can only learn from his help
[12:26] <charl_> yes listen and learn Golynx 
[12:27] <charl_> xss, csrf etc can affect all sites regardless of server side language
[12:27] <charl_> sql injection etc
[12:27] <Golynx> superfly ok here is an old php site jarrydx86.byethost22.com/index.php
[12:28] <Golynx> http://jarrydx86.byethost22.com/index.php
[12:30] <Golynx> charl_ lol i know :p
[12:30] <superfly> Golynx: your server is running PHP 5.5, am I right?
[12:30] <Golynx> superfly that one is php 5.3
[12:31] <charl_> hi psydroid_ :)
[12:31] <charl_> how's the weather in poland
[12:31] <Kilos> hi psydroid_ long time no see
[12:31] <superfly> Nope, otherwise I'd be able to bring up the PHP logo and the PHP credits
[12:32] <charl_> superfly: some phpinfo thing?
[12:32] <Golynx> hmm, so you just wana show the php info
[12:32] <superfly> charl_: there are some PHP GUIDs that you can supply on the URL, and PHP will show the credits or the logo
[12:32] <superfly> http://www.phpsadness.com/sad/11
[12:33] <psydroid_> hi charl_ :)
[12:33] <charl_> ah what a disaster
[12:33] <psydroid_> hi Kilos 
[12:33] <psydroid_> hi superfly 
[12:33] <psydroid_> hi Golynx 
[12:33] <psydroid_> yeah
[12:33] <superfly> hi psydroid_
[12:33] <psydroid_> I left my previous job
[12:33] <psydroid_> and started working here
[12:33] <psydroid_> and have been living at a hostel for this past week
[12:33] <Iraeeu> I was expecting some kind of clever social engineering, but all you want to do is show the php logo lol
[12:34] <psydroid_> yesterday I got my own apartment
[12:34] <psydroid_> so I am returning to normal life
[12:34] <Kilos> cool psydroid_ 
[12:34] <Golynx> lol and here i thought your gona deface the page or something 
[12:34] <Golynx> but cool bug :)
[12:34] <charl_> psydroid_: nice in which city are you staying now (if i may ask) ?
[12:34] <Golynx> hi psydroid
[12:35] <charl_> superfly: that whole site is very good, for why not to use php, i might use it at works thanks
[12:35] <charl_> *at work
[12:35] <superfly> charl_: you're welcome :-)
[12:36] <superfly> Golynx: there's a difference between a bug and intended behaviour. That is intended behaviour.\
[12:38] <Golynx> superfly oh okay
[12:38] <Golynx> thats too risky of an intended behaviour
[12:40] <psydroid_> charl_, in Bydgoszcz, I work at Atos
[12:40] <charl_> googling...
[12:41] <charl_> oh that's nice and central
[12:41] <charl_> atos very nic e!
[12:42] <Kilos> wow how do you pronounce that
[12:42] <charl_> psydroid_: you're not allowed to use email internally?
[12:42] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atos
[12:43] <charl_> In 2011 Atos introduced a Zero Email initiative,[20] banning email as a form of internal communications, except for use with customers and prospects.[21]
[12:44] <psydroid_> charl_, I think they mostly use Lync
[12:44] <psydroid_> I haven
[12:45] <psydroid_> I haven't had to do much yet
[12:46] <psydroid_> bbs
[12:47] <charl_> http://www.bluekiwi-software.com/en/products/bluekiwi-zen/
[12:47] <charl_> interesting, we are busy with a similar project at work
[12:47] <charl_> we also have lync
[12:48] <Golynx> Kilos what was that thing about Opera
[12:48] <charl_> http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/applications/3409636/atos-drives-for-zero-email-with-bluekiwi-zen-roll-out/
[12:49] <charl_> "CEO Thierry Breton believes that internal email systems fuel data overloads"
[12:49] <charl_> "He also said that young Atos staff joining the company are unfamiliar with established internal email systems like Outlook, having been weaned on Facebook and Twitter, and external email systems like Hotmail and Yahoo."
[12:50] <charl_> "Atos’ Breton said at the end of last year that the drive to throw out email was driven by the discovery that his staff received over 100 emails a day, and that reading and replying to these took up to 20 hours of their work week."
[12:50] <charl_> "The Atos boss said that internal email systems fuel data overloads and generated messages that were not useful and wasted the time of those receiving and managing them."
[12:50] <charl_> extremely interesting, very much matches my personal experience
[13:00] <Golynx> There's just so many python web frameworks. One does one thing better then the other. One is hard to learn. One is too simple. One is not scalable etc... https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks
[13:01] <Golynx> ai, Iraeeu didnt feel at home 
[13:02] <Kilos> ai!
[13:03] <charl_> people come, people go
[13:04] <charl_> some people stick around, others don't
[13:04] <Kilos> we didnt offer him coffee
[13:04] <Kilos> thats why
[13:04] <charl_> lol
[13:04] <charl_> or rusks
[13:04] <Golynx> <Kilos - 10:29> wanna talk to you later about opera please Golynx </Kilos>
[13:04] <Kilos> oh ya
[13:05] <Kilos> was about the opera mail client
[13:05] <Kilos> you gotta look at mail online? it doesnt download new mails
[13:05] <Golynx> you can choose pop3 or IMAP
[13:06] <Kilos> i did choose pop3
[13:06] <Golynx> i just choose IMAP 
[13:06] <Kilos> but it dint bring anything down
[13:06] <Golynx> hmm
[13:06] <Kilos> oh and there is a fb fixer thing too
[13:07] <Kilos> never mind now i gonna lie down a while
[13:07] <Kilos> head thumoing
[13:07] <Kilos> thumping
[13:07] <Golynx> fb fixer ?
[13:07] <Kilos> i forget the extension name
[13:08] <Kilos> it can tweak fbook so you dont see all the junk i think
[13:08] <Golynx> oh nah , i dont load any extensions
[13:08] <Golynx> cool
[13:08] <Kilos> will look later
[13:09] <Golynx> drink lots of water fr the thumping
[13:09] <Golynx> for*
[13:09] <Golynx> drums dont beat well under water lol
[13:09] <Kilos> na its from pinched nerves where skull grew back together
[13:10] <Kilos> was a long day walking around shops
[13:10] <Golynx> oh okay 
[13:10] <Golynx> have a good rest
[13:10] <Kilos> ty
[13:10] <Golynx> yw
[13:23] <charl_> didn't feel welcome either :)
[13:25] <Golynx> lol
[13:54] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry, I was just out again... glad to see you got a new modem
[13:55] <inetpro> oh and yeah that shopping centre in my home valley is massive now
[13:56] <inetpro> family and friends from rural no longer need to go to menlyn when they come here to visit
[13:57] <inetpro> funny thing is that when people from rural come to Pretoria for shopping they seem to think that menlyn is the only place they can go to
[14:05] <Trixar_za> I was in Pretoria a few months and I actually never shopped there
[14:06] <Trixar_za> Most of my time was spent in Hatfield
[14:09] <charl_> oh i used to work in hatfield
[14:09] <charl_> hi theblazehen 
[14:09] <theblazehen> hey charl_ 
[14:10] <Trixar_za> I'm so happy with my R250 bucks refurbished system :P - It's a HP Compaq 7600 and just came with the Box, power supply and CPU (3GHz), but I got 1GB RAM from a buddy, transferred over my DVD/CD Writer Combo and put in a 160GB laptop HDD I had been using as an external. Instant system :)
[14:10] <charl_> how many cores?
[14:11] <charl_> intel/amd? hyperthreading?
[14:11] <Trixar_za> Hyper Threading
[14:11] <charl_> ???
[14:11] <Trixar_za> I actually learned something yesterday from Squirm - The Hyper Threading actually makes the CPU report as two CPUs
[14:12] <Trixar_za> Yeah, it's an Intel P4
[14:12] <charl_> oh
[14:12] <charl_> so single core
[14:12] <Trixar_za> Yeah
[14:12] <charl_> Trixar_za: just look at any tool that you see cpu usage then you can see it with two processors
[14:12] <Trixar_za> It's one of those flat desktop PCs
[14:12] <charl_> and then you can see it first filling up the first thread on each core and then the second thread when all cores have at least the first thread busy
[14:13] <charl_> that sounds like a really old system though
[14:13] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but it was R250 - so I wasn't expecting much
[14:13] <Trixar_za> Runs like a dream though
[14:13] <charl_> lol
[14:13] <charl_> for a basic linux box it's ok though
[14:14] <charl_> an old system like that you would have to give away for free here
[14:15] <Trixar_za> Where are you based now? Oo
[14:15] <charl_> still in NL
[14:15] <charl_> i don't move around much
[14:16] <Trixar_za> I hear they have monthly music festivals for chiptune music
[14:16] <Trixar_za> Sounds pretty cool
[14:16] <charl_> where is that?
[14:16] <charl_> bah i would not want to listen to chiptune for long
[14:17] <Trixar_za> lol, some of it is pretty good
[14:17] <charl_> i might listen to something on the odd occasion on youtube
[14:17] <charl_> but going to an actual music festival ? nah
[14:17] <Trixar_za> They invite the best mixers and trackers in the world to play live
[14:17] <charl_> i wouldn't mind seeing a recording, if you have a link please send it on
[14:17] <Trixar_za> Might just be monthly show - I was half listening to the guy that was talking about it
[14:17] <charl_> maybe they combine it with other stuff
[14:19] <Trixar_za> http://eindbaas.org/
[14:19] <Trixar_za> That's the one
[14:19] <Trixar_za> I want to go there atleast once
[14:20] <charl_> what are you kidding me
[14:20] <charl_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5I7jIUI4ec
[14:21] <charl_> this is madness
[14:21] <charl_> ooh i get a headache just listening to it
[14:21] <charl_> no thank you then i'll rather hit up some hardstyle outdoor festival
[14:21] <Trixar_za> lol
[14:22] <Trixar_za> Chiptunes are pretty big up there
[14:22] <charl_> eh... with some people perhaps
[14:22] <charl_> a small minority
[14:22] <Trixar_za> It's insane how they do some of those mixes
[14:22] <Trixar_za> Some are made on ancient gameboys
[14:23] <charl_> it's cool out of a curiocity standpoint
[14:24] <Kilos> Golynx the extension is called fb purity
[14:25] <Kilos> F.B.Purity
[14:30] <Golynx> Kilos i only use fb mobile on pc. This extension is for pc version
[14:30] <Kilos> ah
[14:31] <Golynx> you can look at http://user-guide.fbpurity.com too
[14:31] <Kilos> ok ty
[14:35] <Kilos> yeah lloks like just what i need if i go there
[14:36] <Kilos> looks too
[14:37] <Golynx> nice
[15:27] <Golynx> hi not_found
[15:27] <Golynx> hi bmg505
[15:28] <not_found> hiya Golynx 
[16:21] <Kilos> hi not_found hows neelsie
[16:21] <not_found> hey uncle Kilos ... frustrated but good thanks
[16:22] <not_found> and you?
[16:22] <Kilos> im good ty. why you frustrated
[16:23] <not_found> because sometimes things that should be simple is so hard in linux :/ they should really revamp the whole sound architecture the same as they are trying to do with Wayland/Mir
[16:23] <Kilos> you battling with sound?
[16:24] <Kilos> sound and graphics are the main prob areas seems to me
[16:25] <not_found> trying to stream some games, but I also want to have mic audio ... alsa/pulse can't do this so you need to start playing with things like Jack... then it still doens't work, and after an update Jack doesn't ant to start... then you throw your PC out the window and it doesn't want to start up... :p
[16:41] <theblazehen> not_found, does it POST?
[16:41] <not_found> lol, was kidding about throwing out the window... wanted to however :p
[16:46] <charl_> hi not_found 
[16:46] <charl_> wb Rynomster 
[16:47] <not_found> hi charl_ 
[16:49] <charl_> how's it going in the desert
[16:49] <charl_> why be doing nothing in ruwait... when you can be doing nothing in ruwait? :)
[16:50] <charl_> i did enjoy that video (clearly)
[16:51] <not_found> lol
[16:51] <not_found> It was funny...
[16:51] <not_found> if the guy that created it ever sets foot back here he will be arrested but still funny :p
[16:51] <charl_> really? it's that bad?
[16:52] <charl_> no freedom of speach in arab countries still?
[16:52] <charl_> *speech
[16:53] <not_found> new law came out that forbids one to put anything on line that is deemed to put the country in a bad light...
[16:53] <not_found> freedoms here come and go...
[16:55] <Kilos> yay feloegu gone
[16:56] <not_found> I see the bulls got a last minute bonus point :D
[16:57] <Kilos> mnet been scramble here all day for some reason
[16:57] <not_found> who is feloegu uncle Kilos ?
[16:57] <Kilos> so no rugger for me
[16:57] <Kilos> was a bot that was here 
[16:57] <not_found> oh haha ok
[16:57] <Kilos> from ussr
[16:57] <not_found> sorry to hear mnet full of nonesense
[16:58] <Kilos> yeah ty
[16:58] <Kilos> swines
[16:58] <not_found> you want the final score?
[16:58] <Kilos> yes please
[16:58] <not_found> 38-22 and bulls got 4 tries to 1...
[16:59] <Kilos> good
[16:59] <not_found> only missed one conversion and had one drop
[16:59] <not_found> so all and all sounds like they did well
[16:59] <Kilos> yeah things looking better after a bad start
[16:59] <not_found> still have little hope for them but at least they winning at Loftus
[17:00]  * not_found will be back later
[17:00] <Kilos> k
[17:06] <Kilos> if im not back later, have a good night all and sleep tight
[17:06] <charl_> ciao not
[17:06] <charl_> oh, tab failed
[17:30] <charl_> wb Golynx 
[17:31] <Golynx> ty charl_
[17:33] <Golynx> how could they mess this up lol http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/newsweek-satoshi-nakamoto-privacy/#!yZoyl
[17:35] <superfly> Golynx: start with Flask. If that's not enough for you, move on to Pyramid.
[17:37] <Golynx> superfly: thanks, i will try them
[17:38] <Golynx> but just for the fun of it for now. PHP still got alot of the serious market.
[17:51] <Golynx> superfly: whats wrong with django.
[17:51] <Golynx> wb not_found
[17:51] <not_found> thanks :)
[17:52] <Golynx> np
[17:56] <Golynx> superfly: its ok i found an answer http://blog.stacktrace.ch/post/49178654214
[18:09] <theblazehen> Anyone got ideas on how to procrastinate?
[18:55] <superfly> theblazehen: icanhazcheesburger.com ?
[18:57] <superfly> Golynx: Nice breakdown. I'm a big Pyramid fan, but I've actually used Flask for a few small things recently. It's really nice to start off with a really small framework that still has a lot to offer
[19:01] <Golynx> superfly: yes, its always good to start small. Just the small amount of features in Flask is a bit of a downer. But pyramid seems like a good all round framework. 
[19:01] <Golynx> hi theblazehen
[19:01] <theblazehen> hey Golynx 
[19:15] <superfly> Golynx: I recommend starting with Flask anyways. Writing web apps in languages other than PHP is very different, so a small app in Flask would be a good way to start.
[19:22] <Golynx> I'm only used to python by making pygames and some tkinter apps with it. So the web framework part of it i havn't touched yet. I will start with Flask then soon after move on to Pyramid, since Pyramid seems more like what i want in a web framework. Thanks superfly :)
[19:23] <superfly> Golynx: you're welcome
[19:23] <superfly> Golynx: you know CareerJunction?
[19:24] <superfly> CareerJunction is built using Pylons, the precursor to Pyramid. Having said that, they are fairly different creatures...
[19:25] <Golynx> yeah careerjunction.co.za
[19:25] <Golynx> ah thats good to know
[19:28] <Golynx> but my focus is much more on PHP now. I will do some web apps with python as a hobby for now.