| Unit193 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/1237552 sure doesn't contain much... | 01:31 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1237552 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfce4-indicator-plugin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 01:31 |
| brainwash | ?? | 01:39 |
| Unit193 | Not much debugging to go on. | 01:40 |
| brainwash | the main report is marked as private | 01:41 |
| Unit193 | Someone in another channel just hit it. | 01:41 |
| Unit193 | Oh bah, it didn't tell me that bit, just the helpless "Are you lost?" | 01:41 |
| brainwash | you need to be the maintainer or member of bug control :/ | 01:42 |
| brainwash | so it happened in trusty? | 01:43 |
| Unit193 | Saucy, 0.5.0 still. | 01:45 |
| brainwash | oh, funny thing is, I was able to crash thunar today and apport redirected me to a private report | 01:47 |
| Unit193 | Able to view it? | 01:47 |
| brainwash | that's somehow not that helpful | 01:47 |
| brainwash | nope | 01:47 |
| Unit193 | Yep, dumb. | 01:48 |
| brainwash | somehow I get the feeling that there are tons of private reports on launchpad | 01:49 |
| brainwash | like dark matter in the universe | 01:50 |
| brainwash | :D | 01:50 |
| Unit193 | Well, you're going for bug control, right? | 01:50 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, something like 50% of all bug reports from what i've seen | 01:50 |
| brainwash | wow | 01:50 |
| * Unit193 wonders if that's why lp is so slow. :P | 01:51 | |
| brainwash | Unit193: yes, I'll try | 01:51 |
| Unit193 | ...From what I | 01:51 |
| Unit193 | 've seen you just set to triaged and make it public. :P | 01:51 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, after checking the stacktraces, yes | 01:52 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm, suuure they do. :P | 01:53 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: so I've managed to build gnome-system-tools for my testing ppa, but I had to use quilt, dch, debuild and so on | 01:54 |
| brainwash | isn't there a direct way for bzr -> ppa? | 01:54 |
| brainwash | one that works | 01:54 |
| Unit193 | Eww, bzr. | 01:54 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, Eww, git | 01:54 |
| Noskcaj | ;) | 01:54 |
| Unit193 | git++ | 01:55 |
| brainwash | svn for the old skool heads | 01:55 |
| Noskcaj | no, cvs for old school | 01:55 |
| brainwash | oh, not familiar with cvs | 01:56 |
| Noskcaj | bzr to ppa is what th recipes are meant to do, but they're a pain to make work | 01:57 |
| brainwash | I will do some research to get it working | 02:00 |
| brainwash | or at least understand how it works and what exactly is needed | 02:00 |
| Unit193 | Meh, recipies aren't too hard. | 02:01 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: there are some tricks for recipes, need a hand? | 12:47 |
| bluesabre | actually fixing some recipes this morning | 12:47 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: I'll have to read the manual first, only tried to build gnome-system-tools via a generic recipe and it failed due to the missing patch integration I think | 12:50 |
| brainwash | thought that it would manually convert the bzr commit into a patch file or something like that | 12:50 |
| bluesabre | oh, shouldn't have to do that | 12:51 |
| bluesabre | https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/BzrBuilder | 12:51 |
| bluesabre | you'll probably have to create your own debian/rules to do the custom builds steps | 12:51 |
| brainwash | ah, that looks interesting | 12:51 |
| bluesabre | so, for example | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | I have this recipe | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | https://code.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/+recipe/lightdm-gtk-greeter-daily-trusty-gtk2 | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | which uses this custom debian | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trusty-debian-gtk2 | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | probably have to edit debian/control too since the pre-build steps will probably require gnome-common and other packages | 12:53 |
| brainwash | mmh, but the greeter does not have any debian/patches | 12:53 |
| bluesabre | if it did, they would just get applied pre-build | 12:54 |
| brainwash | ok, I'll test it again, shouldn't be that complicated to fix it :) | 12:55 |
| brainwash | thanks | 12:55 |
| bluesabre | good luck | 12:55 |
| brainwash | can we fix the pending issues for mugshot? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mugshot | 12:56 |
| bluesabre | yeah, on my todo list for this weekend | 12:56 |
| bluesabre | all of my daily builds have been failing for a while, trying to resolve those before anything else | 12:57 |
| brainwash | for all your apps? | 12:57 |
| brainwash | only noticed the greeter build failures | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | most of them. Mainly because I removed the native packaging from all the python apps | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | so bzr-dailydeb is like, ok what do I do with this? | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | mugshot's been failing | 12:59 |
| bluesabre | menulibre is pointing at the wrong branch | 12:59 |
| bluesabre | >.> | 12:59 |
| bluesabre | none of the stable ppas have been updated for a while | 12:59 |
| bluesabre | except the greeter, but only for trusty | 13:00 |
| bluesabre | I've been slacking | 13:00 |
| bluesabre | or something :) | 13:00 |
| brainwash | did people complain? | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | nope | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | nobody notices | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | they just don't get updates | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | :) | 13:01 |
| brainwash | "where is my daily update?!" | 13:01 |
| brainwash | :D | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | :) | 13:02 |
| bluesabre | it might also be because I haven't made any release announcements | 13:02 |
| bluesabre | going to spend tomorrow doing those | 13:02 |
| bluesabre | also, gotta help satya get gtk-theme-config to support translations | 13:04 |
| bluesabre | suppose I should do that first | 13:04 |
| brainwash | it's a python app, right? | 13:04 |
| bluesabre | vala | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | so, gotta learn a bit too | 13:05 |
| brainwash | vala seems like a great modern language | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | I should start porting some apps to vala soon | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | easy to read, compiles to C | 13:06 |
| brainwash | python -> vala? | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | for some apps anyway | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | like mugshot would benefit most likely | 13:06 |
| brainwash | it would? how? | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | small apps should have small footprints | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | python brings some weight | 13:06 |
| brainwash | you mean the extra dependencies? | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | during runtime | 13:07 |
| brainwash | or runtime | 13:07 |
| brainwash | oh | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | ochosi was complaining that light-locker-settings consumes more memory than xfce4-settings :) | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | its a tradeoff. Python can be quickly developed and it does everything great | 13:08 |
| brainwash | but that's also gtk3 vs gtk2, or? | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | that, but mainly python's memory consumption | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | I'll never port menulibre or catfish for instance, too script-like, python is a perfect match | 13:09 |
| bluesabre | but for something like the xfce4-keyboard-overlay, that would definitely be better as a compiled language | 13:10 |
| bluesabre | so I'll be porting the work I've done for that to vala | 13:11 |
| bluesabre | https://launchpad.net/xfce4-keyboard-overlay/trunk | 13:11 |
| brainwash | but it can be still done in python and work fine =S | 13:11 |
| bluesabre | definitely | 13:11 |
| bluesabre | but it can be faster and lighter | 13:12 |
| bluesabre | I freaking love python, but there are some things better for other languages | 13:13 |
| bluesabre | like parole, for instance | 13:13 |
| bluesabre | though, it would be easier to fix its bugs if it were python :) | 13:13 |
| brainwash | yes, you can easily apply changes and debug it | 13:14 |
| brainwash | and it's easy to read most of the time | 13:14 |
| bluesabre | yup, its great for rapid app development | 13:14 |
| bluesabre | and for prototyping too | 13:15 |
| bluesabre | if I can't figure something out in C, I try it in python first | 13:15 |
| bluesabre | neat | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Vala/GameDevelopmentSeries/Setup | 13:26 |
| brainwash | ^ ah dammit, another thing I have to learn/try | 13:32 |
| brainwash | so much to learn :) | 13:32 |
| Unit193 | Though, it seems the interest for it died dow a lot. Isn't the new, hip one Go? | 13:36 |
| GridCube | but is not unity promoting vala?, i might not be up to date tho | 13:37 |
| bluesabre | vala is the goto thing for Unity, Gnome, and elementary | 13:42 |
| bluesabre | even some xfce projects use vala | 13:43 |
| bluesabre | some = at least one | 13:43 |
| Unit193 | But upstream doesn't even like C++, right? | 13:43 |
| bluesabre | yeah, C is where its at | 13:43 |
| bluesabre | I don't like C++ anymore, I think the syntax is ugly | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | but yeah, Go is exploding in popularity currently | 13:48 |
| bluesabre | or thats how it seems from my G+ | 13:49 |
| bluesabre | I'm guessing the installer hasn't been fully translated yet... | 13:57 |
| bluesabre | http://imagebin.org/297910 | 13:57 |
| bluesabre | I like the new slides | 13:59 |
| GridCube | P: bluesabre why you installing in spanish? | 14:00 |
| bluesabre | GridCube: I've got to test some things in something other than english | 15:07 |
| bluesabre | spanish is my most fluent second | 15:07 |
| GridCube | :D | 15:07 |
| Unit193 | Meaning you can read 3 words? | 15:07 |
| bluesabre | at this point, more or less | 15:25 |
| bluesabre | I took spanish courses for 7 years | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | been out of school for 2 years | 15:26 |
| starrats | I need some help please. | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | its running away from me | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | I've gotta run, but go ahead and ask your question starrats and somebody should be able to help | 15:27 |
| brainwash | starrats: please ask your question then | 15:28 |
| starrats | my pointer still occasionally sticks/frozen when i turn on 14.04 and I tried to do somehting about and I accidentally 'disabled the pointer and now i can't get on 14.04 at all, is there a way i can fix it or ? | 15:28 |
| starrats | do I have to re-install the | 15:29 |
| starrats | the distro | 15:29 |
| brainwash | re-installing would be the cleanest solution | 15:30 |
| bluesabre | maybe the compositor? | 15:30 |
| brainwash | the login greeter still works fine? | 15:30 |
| starrats | okay, just stick the disk in the tray and makesure that it's the one being read at time of boot | 15:30 |
| Unit193 | Could remove the config from .config/, though don't think it'd fix the sticking. | 15:31 |
| starrats | yes the login greeter, if you mean that thing that swirls on the 'xubuntu blue screen' yes it works | 15:31 |
| Unit193 | No, where you type your password to login. | 15:32 |
| starrats | no that doesn't work | 15:32 |
| starrats | I didn't make it work that way, no password to get on the desktop it just went there | 15:33 |
| starrats | when i first loaded the disk, if i re-install I will be having a password to login | 15:34 |
| starrats | right now I'm on VBox again | 15:34 |
| starrats | I'm just going to re-install the 14.04 disc and start afresh | 15:38 |
| Unit193 | I'm going to shoot whoever came up with the submit bug links. >_< | 19:24 |
| Unit193 | Heeey, I typed the right UUID! Can't confirm before submitting. :/ | 19:28 |
| brainwash | ali1234: still working on the thunar segfault? | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | not really | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | i don't know what else to do unless you've got some clues | 20:56 |
| brainwash | so a not needed/false unref is causing this? | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | there could be many caused | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | that's one of them | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | another is allocating with g_slice and freeing with g_free | 20:59 |
| brainwash | the issue with the slice allocator has started with 13.10 | 21:01 |
| brainwash | and many apps are/were affected | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | yeah.... indicates it's probably in some library | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | what other apps? | 21:05 |
| brainwash | the terminal (encoding menu) | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | we fixed that one though | 21:06 |
| brainwash | yes | 21:06 |
| brainwash | I remember some evolution reports too | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | that's another thing that can cause it... misuse of linked lists | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | basically the slice allocator *replaces* malloc | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | which means all the things that normally would cause random segfaulting now cause a segfault inside of the slice allocator instead | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | that's a pretty wide class of bug | 21:07 |
| brainwash | sadly | 21:08 |
| brainwash | so we are only aware of this issue thanks to apport? | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | pretty much | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | errors.ubuntu.com | 21:09 |
| brainwash | does thunar actually quits? | 21:09 |
| brainwash | quit | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | i mean you'll always see this type of crash, but we wouldn't know how common it is really | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | lots of reports say it happens when you quit thunar | 21:10 |
| brainwash | oh, so when things finalize | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | yes, quite likely | 21:10 |
| brainwash | and memory gets cleaned up | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | so, double free(), wrong type of free() | 21:10 |
| brainwash | mmh :/ | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | the usual stuff | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | there are steps to debug it but i haven't been able to reproduce | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | you can turn off the slice allocator or put it into debug mode - that should catch any problems even if it doesn't actually crash | 21:15 |
| brainwash | I'll try to reproduce, had a different thunar crash yesterday | 21:17 |
| brainwash | so I got reminded of this issue | 21:17 |
| brainwash | mousepad crashed too while reading a big file | 21:17 |
| brainwash | and all the other reports on the Xfce bug tracker | 21:18 |
| brainwash | there is so much to fix | 21:19 |
| brainwash | but want to move forward and switch to gtk3 and wayland | 21:19 |
| brainwash | we want | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | i don't have much interest in switching to wayland | 21:23 |
| ali1234 | not until there is a sensible abstraction layer for compositors | 21:23 |
| ali1234 | which is probably 2 or 3 years away from happening | 21:23 |
| brainwash | so X not dead yet :) | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | not for a long long time | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | wayland doesn't form a replacement for it... at all. and neither does mir | 21:45 |
| andrzejr_ | ali1234, one problem with wayland/mir is that they do not want such abstraction layer | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | yes, i know. that's why it will take 2/3 years | 21:51 |
| andrzejr_ | (that's what X is) | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | yes, it is | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | and that's why they can't replace it | 21:52 |
| andrzejr_ | worse, it won't happen at all and we will have DE's and apps written for a specific compositor | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | that will just be like X was, pre-xdg | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | the best thing to do is just refuse to have anything to do with wayland until they create that abstraction layer | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't have to be part of wayland | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | it just has to exist | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | and be supported by gnome and kde | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | then i'll consider using it | 21:54 |
| andrzejr_ | slow development and rigidness of X is blessing - otherwise you would see new incompatible ideas popping up everywhere | 21:54 |
| Unit193 | ochosi, Noskcaj: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gmusicbrowser.html | 22:37 |
| Noskcaj | yep | 22:37 |
| Noskcaj | sync bug up, and alessio is making another upload soon | 22:38 |
| a5m0 | is there a user accessible way to modify the xubuntu installer's cryptsetup to use sha512 instead of sha1? | 23:35 |
| Noskcaj | a5m0, probably? | 23:45 |
| a5m0 | tried grepping in my iso for cryptsetup but it only found the packages, guess the config is packed | 23:59 |
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