[00:26] <jakesyl> Hey guys, I have a question about xubuntu, so when i set it up from a usb how do i make it install to my hdd instead of flash drive
[00:29] <jakesyl> hello?
[01:18] <fibz_> during the install it will ask where and how you want to setup ubuntu
[01:22] <GridCube> jakesyl, as fibz_ said, when installing, choose to select where to install yourself, there you can choose whatever disk or partition you want
[01:29] <jakesyl> okay, i'll try this once i finish downloading ubuntu
[01:29] <jakesyl> 'i was using xubuntu before
[01:31] <fibz_> for future refrence, you dont have to download a whole new ISO, you can convert your *buntu into any version of *buntu from software center or from terminal
[01:31] <fibz_> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:58] <basketball> how do i play a blueray dvd
[03:05] <PhoenixSTF> hello guys, does xubuntu have a kyosk mode or user lockdown, trying to setup one in a LTSP environment.
[03:20] <holstein> PhoenixSTF: i read that it did.. i personally havent found a workable environment for that since gnome2
[03:20] <holstein> PhoenixSTF: im sure its something im just not doing properly..
[03:22] <PhoenixSTF> holstein, I heard about pessulus but I do not knwo if it will work on xfce
[03:23] <fibz_> cant you just create a limited account,  remove the panels, remove keyboard shortcuts and use a whitelist for URLs?
[03:25] <PhoenixSTF> urls are not the issue
[03:25] <fibz_> what are we trying to lock down?
[03:25] <PhoenixSTF> the issue is several groups and not all can open alll the programs
[03:26] <PhoenixSTF> ie, software center, programming IDE, math programs, etc
[03:26] <PhoenixSTF> so you can have students
[03:26] <PhoenixSTF> and teachers
[03:26] <PhoenixSTF> and investigators
[03:26] <PhoenixSTF> and just normal working personnel
[03:28] <holstein> i ended up trying readonly file systems
[03:28] <fibz_> something like this?  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/36845/the-beginners-guide-to-managing-users-and-groups-in-linux/
[03:30] <holstein> its not like pessulus was though
[03:30] <PhoenixSTF> well it is something
[03:30] <holstein> i mean, you can do it.. its alll open
[03:31] <cfhowlett> kiosk mode?
[03:31] <PhoenixSTF> pessulus was only for gnome, and sure you can do it, or even fabricate a program to fill your needs
[03:31] <PhoenixSTF> I wonder if greek schools have something
[03:32] <fibz_> i say bundle app permissions to individual groups and create a custom menu file for each user type (student, teacher, investigator)
[03:32] <PhoenixSTF> greek schools have nanny
[03:35] <PhoenixSTF> anyway it is for a LTSP setup, I will figure something out
[03:35] <PhoenixSTF> thanks guys
[06:13] <FuuqUmiist> what is the min requirements for Xubuntu, a P4?
[06:15] <fibz_> a Pentium Pro with at least 256RAM (the more RAM, the better)
[06:16] <fibz_> you can get away with less RAM but i wouldnt recommend it
[06:17] <FuuqUmiist> can you use it for daily usage with that low of a cpu?
[06:18] <FuuqUmiist> or is it just installing for the sake of installing it
[06:19] <fibz_> sure if it's daily use is something simple
[06:20] <fibz_> but a P4 would of coarse be preferable
[06:20] <fibz_> over a P1
[06:20] <FuuqUmiist> is it true that Firefox need a min P4 now-a-days?
[06:21] <fibz_> i have it running on a P3 and a Duron right now
[06:21] <fibz_> 900mhz
[06:21] <FuuqUmiist> oh
[06:21] <Unit193> I'd not go less than 1G of ram, personally.
[06:21] <fibz_> ^
[06:23] <fibz_> duron is running fine with 640MB, but flash and javascript bog it down pretty good
[06:28] <FuuqUmiist> it says P4 for windows
[06:28] <FuuqUmiist> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/27.0.1/system-requirements/
[06:28] <FuuqUmiist> but nothing for linux, why is that?
[06:30] <Unit193> I'd not do FF on 256, I'd use a smaller browser (personally like xombrero.)
[13:19] <lokote_jones> Does anyone have first hand knowledge of whether or not Xubuntu will work well with an AMD A10 APU in crossfire mode?
[13:21] <GridCube> lokote_jones, thats a rather specific question and i very much doubt anyone would
[13:21] <GridCube> lokote_jones, I would try to test a live session on it
[13:22] <lokote_jones> GridCube: Sorry. I was just planning on upgrading to a new PC and have my eyes on the AMD APU as a potential kit; but no access to the hardware locally. Thank you though. I might try a web forum or reddit. I'm just worried about the driver compatability since it isn't "Nividdya"
[13:23] <GridCube> lokote_jones, maybe this will guide you to some relevant information http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYxNjM
[13:23] <lokote_jones> GridCube: Thank you.
[16:09] <saurabhGupta> how should i check and install wifi driver?
[16:10] <holstein> saurabhGupta: depends on many things
[16:10] <holstein> !wifi
[16:10] <Unit193> Using the Additional Drivers tool in the Settings Manager if you have a LAN connection, or checking the chipset and looking up (or saying here) what you have.
[16:11] <Unit193> lspci, that is, to look up the device.
[16:13] <saurabhGupta> Unit193, I have LAN connection. Running lspci gave me Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) wifi card.
[16:14] <saurabhGupta> Unit193, Additional Drivers not showing anything.
[16:14] <Unit193> Really?  That makes me sad now.
[16:14] <Unit193> !bcm
[16:15] <holstein> there is a lp-phy one
[16:16] <holstein> !info firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[16:16] <holstein> well, thats what i think it was called, at least.. you can search a package manager for "lp-phy" and see what is available
[17:20] <orp> hi
[17:20] <orp> any one can help me with my 3D acceleration ? please
[17:21] <holstein> orp: it'll be driver related likely.. are you using any proprietary optional drivers if available? if not, try them
[17:22] <orp> yes
[17:22] <holstein> orp: did you try the open driver as well?
[17:22] <orp> yes
[17:22] <orp> it don't work
[17:23] <holstein> i would confirm you are loading the module you think you are and elaborate about how you are determining its "not working"
[17:23] <orp> this one is working
[17:23] <holstein> orp: ?
[17:23] <holstein> orp: so, whats the issue?
[17:23] <orp> but the resulotion don't have all options
[17:23] <orp>  GeForce 8200M G/integrated/SSE2
[17:23] <holstein> orp: it may not.. i use a custom xorg.conf on an nvidia card i have
[17:24] <orp> ok
[17:24] <holstein> you can also try arandr
[17:24] <orp> no
[17:25] <orp> but the one on xfce should work ?
[17:25] <holstein> orp: you should try arandr, and consider a custom xorg.conf
[17:26] <orp> ok
[17:26] <orp> how can i get info to do that ?
[17:27] <holstein> i used knoppix live, configured, and grabbed the xorg.conf from there
[17:27] <holstein> !xorg
[17:27] <holstein> !xorgconf
[17:28] <xubuntu775> good day.  I have an AMD 64 3800+ PC. this is a CPU that was releaced in 2006.  Should i run the 64bit or 32bit XUBUNTU 12.0.4 LTS os?  A while back, 32bit was always recomended as more compatable.  is that still true?
[17:29] <orp> ok
[17:31] <orp> my laptop is this one
[17:31] <orp> http://www.msi.com/product/nb/CR700.html#?div=Specification
[17:31] <orp> is really a pain to config
[17:32] <orp> i start with nomodset
[17:36] <holstein> orp: it can be challenging, for sure
[17:36] <orp> yes
[17:36] <holstein> xubuntu775: how much ram?
[17:36] <orp> I wil do it
[17:36] <orp> 4Gb
[17:36] <orp> I am runing 64bit
[17:37] <orp> and the driver is nvidia-319
[17:38] <holstein> orp: ideally, nvidia would be helping you with this... since its their driver
[17:38] <xubuntu775> i have 2gb ram
[17:38] <holstein> orp: you can try adding the ppa that steam suggesti
[17:38] <holstein> !steam
[17:38] <xubuntu775> old PC i am giving to father.
[17:38] <holstein> xubuntu775: i would do 32bit with 2 gigs of ram
[17:38] <xubuntu775> ok, thats what i installed.
[17:41] <xubuntu775> do you know if now that 64bit CPUs have been out for several years, is the software for 64bit still buggy mor so than the 32bit software?
[17:43] <orp> yes
[17:43] <orp> i just trying
[17:43] <holstein> xubuntu775: no.. its not more buggy
[17:43] <holstein> xubuntu775: its a matter of the ram that i make the decision
[17:43] <orp> but there are many software just to 64bit
[17:43] <xubuntu775> im just asking because at some point down the road, i may upgrade the PC to 4GB ram so maybe installing 54bit now is better so i don't ahve to rebuild PC later.
[17:43] <holstein> xubuntu775: its a non-issue
[17:44] <xubuntu775> i am aware of the 4GB ram limit on 32bit os.
[17:44] <holstein> xubuntu775: do which ever you like
[17:44] <xubuntu775> ok, thanks
[17:44] <bekks> If your CPU is 64bit, install 64bit.
[17:44] <holstein> xubuntu775: there is a pae kernel to address the 4gb limit
[17:44] <bekks> And using PAE, there is no 4GB RAM limit.
[17:44] <holstein> you can run 32bit software in 64bit
[17:44] <holstein> 64bit is stable, and works great
[17:44] <xubuntu775> oh.  i wasn't aware of that one.
[17:45] <holstein> if i had 32bit installed, depending on what i was doing, i may not bother reinstalling 64bit if i wanted it
[17:45] <xubuntu775> that is, i didn't know of the PAE.
[17:46] <holstein> !pae
[17:46] <xubuntu775> i just did the install on 32bit yesterday and it seems to be working fine for a CPU from 2006.
[17:46] <xubuntu775> not the fastest but stable
[17:46] <holstein> sure.. both work fine.. neither make the hardware faster
[17:48] <xubuntu775> yeah, not thinking the hardware would work faster -- just wondering if i am limiting some resources from the CPU that could be used later but more than likely not.  The PC will be used mostly for Pogo.com :-)
[17:50] <melt7777> i am following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization, and once i chroot to the "new build" and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, or try apt-get purge whoopsie,  whoopsie breaks down the whole build, and i can't do anything further....  cant find /etc/init.d/whoopsie
[18:10] <xubuntu141> Doing my first Xubuntu install. Any suggestions on what to do upon first boot? Is running "sudo apt-get update" from terminal a good start?
[18:12] <basketballl> when i go to the display settings i want to change the resolution to 1280 x 800 (16:10) when i select that resolution the rotation options change from 180 degress counterclockwise and clockwise and normal to just clockwise and counterclockwise
[18:13] <xubuntu141> basketball, I'm assuming that you're unable to just select the standard rotation?
[18:14] <xubuntu775> @xubuntu141 - I also just did my first install.  If you have internet access it should check for updates right away.  I had 167 updates on 12.0.4 LTS.
[18:15] <xubuntu141> thanks 775
[18:15] <Unit193> xubuntu775: First boot?  After install or what are we talking about?
[18:16] <xubuntu141> did you use sudo apt-get update?
[18:16] <xubuntu775> nope.  It just didt it automaticly.  There was an update icon by the clock.
[18:16] <xubuntu141> Yes, first boot after clean install.
[18:17] <xubuntu141> Awesome.
[18:17] <Unit193> xubuntu141: Yeah, I'd do so, after that apt-get dist-upgrade too.
[18:17] <xubuntu141> Hope mine does too!1 lol
[18:17] <xubuntu775> if you want to force it, click the gear in the upper right corner and there is an option to update.
[18:17] <xubuntu141> Thanks Unit193!
[18:18] <Unit193> (There are several ways to do it, xubuntu775 just has another optional way, just using the GUI rather than CLI.)
[18:18] <GridCube> kids remember to always install the restricted extras P:
[18:18] <basketballl> xubuntu141,  that doesnt show up
[18:19] <xubuntu775> yeah.  I am a gui guy.  I installed 13.10 on my mail PC to get used to cli way of doing things.
[18:19] <Unit193> Yes, that too, what GridCube said.  And check drivers.
[18:20] <Unit193> xubuntu775: And clearly I'm a CLI person that forgets about the GUI, always good to have someone to remind me, or help others with it. :)
[18:25] <xubuntu775> that totally came out wrong...  I installed 13.10 on my MAIN pc is what i meant to say!!  anyway thanks for the tip on the restricted extras.  i totaly forgot to do this and was about to hand of the pc.
[18:26] <Unit193> If $whoever does DVDs, don't forget libdvdcss.
[18:30] <xubuntu775> ok question about the restricted extras, now that i have it accepted (EULA) and installed, how is it updated? is this automatic or do i need to check from time to time?
[18:30] <GridCube> its automatic
[18:30] <GridCube> all the updates end up in the update manager
[18:30] <xubuntu775> ok cool
[18:31] <GridCube> you have to accept and apply any update, but as long as you use the USC to install things, you will recieve the updates there
[18:31] <GridCube> if you download and install something outside of the USC then ofcourse you wont recieve any update
[18:33] <xubuntu775> hmmm... on my xunbutu box i ran "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras" was there another way to install this?
[18:33] <Unit193> You could use USC.
[18:34] <GridCube> xubuntu775, that is basically the same as using the USC xubuntu775 just not graphically
[18:34] <xubuntu775> ok, now that i already ran this, how do i correct this so that my father can do the installs on his own?
[18:34] <xubuntu775> ok, so still get the update notice than?
[18:35] <xubuntu775> then?
[18:35] <GridCube> xubuntu775, if there is an update there will be an icon next to the clock that says "there are updates for x amount of programs" and he can click apply
[18:36] <GridCube> it wont ask for password
[18:36] <GridCube> it will ask for password to apply kernel updates tho
[18:36] <xubuntu775> great.
[19:49] <peyam> hi
[19:49] <peyam> Hdmi is not working
[19:49] <peyam> how do I fix it?
[19:56] <TheSheep> !details | peyam
[19:56] <peyam> Hi I have a problem with my xubuntu. I cant use a dual screen using a hdmi cable
[19:57] <peyam> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-multiple-monitors-in-xubuntu.html
[19:57] <peyam> I tried this one. it worked several month ago .. but not anymore