[02:43] <map> ARTGH
[02:44] <penguin42> pirate with cattagh?
[06:55] <map> ffff
[06:55] <map> anyoen sawake?
[06:56] <map> PLR
[06:56] <map> qplr
[06:56] <map> ease
[06:57] <map> pleasr#
[07:33]  * MartijnVdS gives map a new keyboard
[08:11] <bashrc_> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/mar/08/programming-saved-me-from-bullying
[08:12] <map> hey
[08:12] <map> i think i lost my phone:(
[08:12] <map> can someone ring it see if t rings or goes to voicemail
[08:28] <bashrc_> no
[09:39] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:40] <bashrc_> hello
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> hello!
[09:42] <bashrc> don't know how the underscore got added
[09:42] <MooDoo> netsplit?
[09:58] <marxjohn1on> aquarius: hey saw your ping from yesterday
[10:01] <aquarius> marxjohn1on, heya
[10:01] <aquarius> I have now set up btsync
[10:01] <aquarius> seems good with one notable exception: the iOS app, when asked to fetch a file, sometimes fetches *loads* of files :(
[10:02] <aquarius> I don't know whether this is a bug or what
[10:03] <marxjohn1on> aquarius: weird, no experience with iOS so cant comment I'm afraid
[10:03] <aquarius> yeah
[10:03] <aquarius> but I like it
[10:03] <aquarius> I especially like your indicator, which is very good indeed and you shall go to heaven when you die because of it.
[10:04] <marxjohn1on> Why thank you
[10:08] <directhex> aquarius, small files?
[10:08] <aquarius> directhex, yeah. I suspect this is the bittorrent thing of "we download a whole block"
[10:08] <aquarius> but it's really annoying on a phone when I want one single 15k PDF and it inhales a gig of stuff.
[10:09] <aquarius> and I don't know whether this is just built in to the way it works and can't be fixed, or whether I can avoid it.
[10:14] <aquarius> marxjohn1on, do you know whether that's a function of the btsync protocol?
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: Where do I send bug reports for Riddling?
[10:17] <marxjohn1on> aquarius: I dont know tbh, the protocol's a bit of a mystery. My understanding was it made 1 torrent per file, but that might not apply with really small files
[10:17] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, here's fine
[10:17] <aquarius> marxjohn1on, hm. maybe I'll file a bug about it then
[10:17] <aquarius> cheers
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: clue 27 is wider than my screen and doesn't wrap
[10:18] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, is that the long number clue?
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[10:18] <aquarius> dammit.
[10:18] <aquarius> it's deliberately small text precisely to avoid that :(
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: I think it'd work if rotating the device worked
[10:19] <aquarius> rotating does not work exactly because it sods up the layout ;)
[10:19] <aquarius> hrm.
[10:19] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, you're on android? or ubuntu?
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: android on a nexus 5
[10:19] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, fancy doing a bit of testing?
[10:19] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, also, do you get a problem when bringing up the previous-answers screen?
[10:20] <aquarius> I've had reports of that on n5, but I can't replicate it.
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: no problem (btw, the whole screen can scroll with the long clue, though there are no scroll bars)
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: The screen comes up fine, but the answers overlap the clue numbers by a few pixels
[10:20] <aquarius> hrm
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> and hitting "Back" closes the app (main screen) instead of going back to the current clue
[10:21] <aquarius> what?
[10:21] <aquarius> god almighty
[10:21] <aquarius> how is it that none of this stuff happens on my n4??
[10:21]  * aquarius looks annoyed
[10:21] <aquarius> ok
[10:21] <aquarius> let me rig up a testable version
[10:22] <aquarius> and we can try and nail down some of these issues, if you're happy to help
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: probably because of the 1080p-on-its-side screen?
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: sure -- I won't be available this afternoon though, will have to test later
[10:22] <aquarius> I see what you mean about the screen scrolling, though
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: also, on the "game" screen, the menu button isn't disabled (so the "..." 3 vertical dots show up on the right side of the back/home/taskmanager icon bar)
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> "soft buttons" I think they're called?
[10:30] <aquarius> ya. good catch
[10:30] <aquarius> don't know how to turn that off ;)
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: I used to know it. Let me find it again :)
[10:30] <aquarius> in phonegap build, I mean. NOt in actual proper java ;)
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: Sure, but you can probably grep around/map things, right? :)
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9206530/how-to-disable-hide-three-dot-indicatoroption-menu-indicator-on-ics-handsets
[10:31] <aquarius> hopefully...!
[10:32] <Nafallo> ics... :-P
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: ICS and up
[10:33] <Nafallo> yeah, I reckoned. still found it funny :-)
[10:33] <Nafallo> "this mistake you made years ago... it's still happening!" :-P
[10:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:37] <aquarius> http://community.phonegap.com/nitobi/topics/remove_the_android_menu_button seems useful here ;)
[10:37] <MooDoo> AlanBell: sorry for interfering with that irc email :)
[10:37] <AlanBell> MooDoo: that is fine
[10:38] <AlanBell> wasn't an interference at all
[10:38] <MooDoo> AlanBell: ta, just read it and throught woah! lol
[10:40] <MooDoo> am I making it obvious I want on the IRCC in a few years ;) lol well I have to have my goals :p
[10:41] <AlanBell> :)
[10:53]  * aquarius is not sure how to fix MartijnVdS's number-is-too-long problem :(
[10:53] <aquarius> I don't want to add hyphens because then people think that the answers needs hyphens in it too.
[10:53]  * aquarius grumbles
[10:56] <aquarius> maybe it can be a point size smaller still
[10:56] <MooDoo> aquarius: I hate hate hate your game, I want my life back :p [ps it's really brill]
[10:56] <aquarius> MooDoo, I'm glad you like it :)
[10:57] <MooDoo> :)
[11:04] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, so, are you around to test things now?
[11:13] <aquarius> will take that as a no :)
[11:13] <aquarius> anybody else with Android and having problems with Riddling and fancy testing things for me? :)
[11:20] <popey> "problems"?
[11:20] <aquarius> have had a couple of people reporting the menu not working right
[11:20] <aquarius> which I can't replicate
[11:21] <popey> what menu?
[11:21] <popey> i see 3 dots but when i press it, i see no menu
[11:21] <aquarius> the one with your previous answers in -- top left
[11:21] <popey> didnt see that
[11:21] <aquarius> not the android three-dots menu (which will be disabled in the next version :))
[11:22] <brobostigon> IDS definatly looks uncomfortable in his seat while being interviwed by andrew neil.
[11:49] <bashrc> I think the Android menu is context sensitive.  What you get, or whether you get it, depends on what screen is active.
[11:51] <bashrc> IDS is a nasty piece of work.  If I met him I might spit on him, but probably I'd consider him to be not even worth that.
[11:55] <brobostigon> i totally agree bashrc
[11:56] <brobostigon> he is an A*** N*****
[11:58] <ikonia> a what ?
[11:58] <brobostigon> i shouldnt fully flesh out the words, they RE NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY.
[11:59] <brobostigon> sorry for the tab
[12:00] <brobostigon> bashrc: this is why, i will publicise as much as i can. how much he effects my fellow aspies in so many bad ways.
[12:12] <ikonia> who is IDS ? some sort of interface designer ?
[12:16] <brobostigon> ian duncun smith, the secretery of state of the department for work and pensions.
[12:20] <ikonia> ahh
[12:20] <ikonia> with reference to android above, I thought it was an interface gripe and IDS was his "nick"
[12:21] <brobostigon> ah.
[14:15] <SuperEngineer> 'tis a wonderful day - me hopes you are out enjoying it rather at the pooter screen!  me... I am at the pooter screen but I will be out & about all next [wondewrful weather] week ;)
[14:15]  * penguin42 is here
[14:16] <SuperEngineer> hi penguin42
[14:16] <daftykins> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
[14:16] <daftykins> this is interesting
[14:16] <SuperEngineer> hi daft
[14:16] <daftykins> hallo sir o/
[14:16] <SuperEngineer> hi daftykins
[14:16] <daftykins> i went out cycling in the sun all yesterday :) but i am also planning on getting out again now
[14:16] <daftykins> but keep getting distracted instead of loading up my phone with music
[14:17]  * penguin42 did go for a long walk yesterday
[14:17] <daftykins> i've got shorts and t-shirt on :O
[14:17] <daftykins> \o/
[14:18] <SuperEngineer> currently enjoying new [semi home built] pooter - & keep sticking my head of the window... that's sort of healthy
[14:18] <SuperEngineer> [ish]
[14:18] <shauno> hm, the online gizmo says there's a bus in 32 minutes, and in 33 minutes.  being sunday, i'm tempted to believe it :|
[14:19] <SuperEngineer> shauno: run! you've only got 31 mins left
[14:19]  * penguin42 doesn't think we have any online stuff to predict our busses - tarrot cards are more accurate
[14:20]  * SuperEngineer thinks of names for tarot cards... "the head of the devil".. that could be the bus driver
[14:21] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: hehehe, nice. was it a substantial upgrade?
[14:21] <shauno> we got a whole new system a year or two ago.  it's about as entertaining as gambling on the weather forecast, but over shorter timeframes
[14:21] <SuperEngineer> "the screaming idiots"... the school bus
[14:23] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: ooo yes - bought a [cheap] base unit from zoostorm, ripped out the power supply, put in my [now beloved] BeQuiet! 400W power supply
[14:23] <SuperEngineer> ...doubled memory to 8G
[14:24] <SuperEngineer> ...with the added GTX650 GPU [with 2G of video EAM... me quite pleased with "budget result ;)
[14:25] <SuperEngineer> ...was determined to keep within a budget whilst having a pooter that could be fired up if needed before build complete
[14:26] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Yeh ripping out the PSU on the zoostorm is a good move
[14:26] <SuperEngineer> ...so now a 8+2 gig RAM, 2X HDD, 2 x DVD drive, 2 monitors [plus hdmi to TV screen].. & 1TB external drive for backups
[14:27] <daftykins> :)
[14:27] <daftykins> i have 84.8GB free on my 5TB array, haha
[14:27] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: https://plus.google.com/photos/118251468822440261663/albums/posts/5933832421595458530?pid=5933832421595458530&oid=118251468822440261663
[14:27] <daftykins> d'aww
[14:28] <daftykins> >_<
[14:28] <shauno> I brought a server to its knees by running out of disk yesterday :(
[14:28] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: agreed... but needed to keep in budget for now... dentist [tooth capping], gas bill, BUPA excess all due next month ;)
[14:28] <daftykins> shauno: oops! :)
[14:29] <shauno> nothing important, just my own sandbox to play in.  but I couldn't figure out why TV shows were arriving as 20kb files
[14:29] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: for when wallet returns to normal... what cpu upgrade is suggested... not done any research yey
[14:29] <shauno> so now my super-handy minecraft backup script, has a super-handy 'delete month-old files' bit.  problem solved
[14:30] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I've never done CPU upgrades
[14:31] <shauno> usually by time the cpu wants an upgrade, there's too many other dependencies to go with it
[14:31] <daftykins> ^agreed, plus the number of socket changes these days
 right, this gen we're going to take away 5 pins!
[14:31] <penguin42> yeh, and the price doesn't come down for the higher end cpus in the old sockets
[14:32] <shauno> right.  intel redefine 'a square peg' every 9 months
[14:32] <daftykins> :D
[14:32] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: just seen your pic of blown capicitor - *very* glad I got a different PSU [ 1 of the things I count as essential for a stable pooter]
[14:33] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Yeh; which CPU have you got?
[14:34] <SuperEngineer> I went fotr Germasny's favourite... the BeQuiet! range.  In my case their 400W versiomn... & wow!
[14:34] <daftykins> i've been buying Corsair PSUs for a few years now, lifetime warranty and not had one fail
[14:35] <SuperEngineer> *Germany's
[14:36] <SuperEngineer> [with *3* fans running in new pooter it is quieter than my ol' Dell
[14:36] <penguin42> my main machine only has two; one big PSU fan, and I replaced the Intel standard CPU fan by a big quiet one
[14:36] <SuperEngineer> the Bequiet!, the GTX650 both come with supoer good, super quiet fan designs
[14:37] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: big & quiet =good!  ;)
[14:38] <directhex> the 750ti is the new budget darling
[14:38] <directhex> less power consumption than the 650, for far more performance
[14:38]  * SuperEngineer creates memo to ZooStorm/MSI - oy! you! next time.. supply a none Windows only CD!!!!  ;)
[14:39] <SuperEngineer> ...and please tell me how to monitor CPU temp from within linux!
[14:40] <SuperEngineer> [& before someone suggests it... both lm-sensors & psensors installed - but to no avail]
[14:42] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: make sure the coretemp module is loaded
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> penguin42:
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> ?
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> I thought it was.. - how does one check
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> ?
[14:43] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: lsmod |grep coretemp
[14:43] <penguin42> it's a pity that the number of cores in desktop CPUs has stopped going up :-(
[14:45] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: ls -l /sys/class/hwmon   does it show one of them as something like    lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 0 Mar  9 13:50 hwmon1 -> ../../devices/platform/coretemp.0/hwmon/hwmon1
[14:46] <penguin42> I mean where is the desktop equivalent of http://ark.intel.com/products/75258/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-8890-v2-37_5M-Cache-2_80-GHz  :-)
[14:46] <penguin42> (preferably with one less 0 on the price)
[14:46] <SuperEngineer> penguin42:  ls -l /sys/class/hwmon
[14:46] <SuperEngineer> total 0
[14:46] <SuperEngineer> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar  9 13:47 hwmon0 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:18.3/hwmon/hwmon0
[14:47] <SuperEngineer> hurumph!
[14:47] <penguin42> ok, so coretemp isn't doing anything for you - did you load coretemp?
[14:47] <SuperEngineer> [thought I did} :(
[14:50] <daftykins> penguin42: i'd imagine quality of core is more important than count :D
[14:50] <daftykins> you can always go AMD? :)
[14:50] <penguin42> daftykins: Except that the intel cores are about the best you can get - so I just want more of those
[14:51] <daftykins> :D
[14:51] <daftykins> could get a pricey upcoming Haswell-E? if they make one...
[14:51] <penguin42> daftykins: But all the haswell's so far have been 4 core - YAWN
[14:51] <daftykins> or just the Ivy-E
[14:52] <daftykins> yeah the -E variants are the triple channel clipped Xeons though
[14:53] <penguin42> daftykins: Thing is there's an argument that the only thing I use more CPU for is for building, and then another machine with a reasonable quad core, sitting there off most of the time is better value than buying the -E's
[14:53] <SuperEngineer> gonna shuitdown/restart to allow full remove of pesor/lm-sensors & re-install... see y'all soon [I hope]
[14:54] <daftykins> penguin42: ah-har
[14:55] <penguin42> daftykins: I've not upgraded my main desktop in ~4 years because there's no major gain - I don't think I could get twice the speed
[14:56] <daftykins> same feeling here, i'm on a 2007/8 intel core 2 quad 2.4GHz (Q6600)
[14:56] <penguin42> daftykins: i7-860 here
[14:56] <daftykins> ah-har
[15:00] <daftykins> yeah these kinds of systems coupled with SSDs feel as good as anything up to date :)
[15:02] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh, I bought it about 4 years ago with 8GB RAM, only thing I've done is add an SSD, I could probably upgrade the GPU from an AMD HD4xxx to AMD HD6xxx (fanless)
[15:04] <daftykins> AMD :(
[15:05] <penguin42> why?
[15:07] <daftykins> they seem quite awkward in any OS land in driver terms
[15:07] <penguin42> daftykins: Using the open driver
[15:09] <daftykins> yarr
[15:09] <daftykins> 4xxx is legacy now though isn't it?
[15:09] <daftykins> so probably better than proprietary :D
[15:11] <penguin42> yeh probably, I don't do much GL stuff anyway, although I wouldn't mind trying OpenCL at some time, but it's been on my list of things to try for years
[15:12] <daftykins> :D
[15:32] <SuperEngineer> hmm... just fully removed pensor/lm-sensor but still not reporting cpu temp [unless it's running at 0 degrees C] -sooo tempted to overclock this pooter... but with no cpu monitor... again ' hmmmm :1
[15:33] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Did you get coretemp loaded - and does the /sys/class/hwmon appear for it?
[15:34] <SuperEngineer> I know cpu reports as I can get temp from BIOS, but that's not exactly a running temp :(
[15:34] <SuperEngineer> penguin
[15:35] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: no! - darn thing [sensors-detect] doesn't seem to provide the chance]
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: what kind of CPU do you have?
[15:36] <SuperEngineer> AMD 3.3 dual core
[15:36] <penguin42> ooohhhh - AMD
[15:36] <SuperEngineer> yup
[15:37] <penguin42> not fought an AMD for a long time
[15:38] <SuperEngineer> AMD-5300 APU dual core to be exact - & I have never used AMD before -DARN!#
[15:39] <SuperEngineer> [perhaps it needs to meet my mallet ;)(
[15:40] <penguin42> coretemp is Intel only
[15:40] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: How about the k10temp module?
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> yup... came to that conclusion myself
[15:41] <MooDoo> wasaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
[15:41] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: hmmm...  what's that? not heard of it
[15:41] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: looking at the kernel source it's AMD K10+ core temperature monitor
[15:41] <SuperEngineer> hmmmm
[15:41] <penguin42> MODULE_DESCRIPTION("AMD Family 10h+ CPU core temperature monitor");
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> wow - that *is* a full description - ta
[15:42] <penguin42> hmm my office is getting warm, I might have to open the window or start making sorbet
[15:43] <MooDoo> penguin42: both sound good
[15:43] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: there's always the option of a nice cooooooool Pims
[15:44] <MooDoo> is it pims'oclock?
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> yup! [it's always ppims o'clock]  ;)
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> even more so on sunny days - almost as if it were mandatory in fact
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> darn... all the pages on google want me to download the code and compile into kernel - that's something I really don't want to do!
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> ...perhaps I'll just overclock this thing & see how long before it fries!  ;)
[15:56] <MooDoo> SuperEngineer: make sure you have eggs handy ;)
[15:58] <SuperEngineer> [amd say normal =3.4, overclock = 3.6 ....  bios however is quite happy to take it to 4.1 !!  no ill effects so far [but no serious ganming attempted with it over clocked]
[15:58] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: trusty certainly has the k10temp module
[15:58]  * SuperEngineer gets eggs from box & puts them on pooter
[15:58] <MooDoo> SuperEngineer: sunny side up for me please :D
[15:59] <penguin42> make -j scrambled
[15:59] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: how to activate?
[15:59] <SuperEngineer> MooDoo: penguin42 - sunny side up scrambled on their way ;)
[16:00] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: modprobe k10temp ?
[16:01] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: in which file? [pretty please]
[16:01] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Just try it from a commandline
[16:01] <SuperEngineer> have done modprobe before - but so long along I can't remember why it was needed or where added
[16:01] <MooDoo> AlanBell: are you in #ubuntu?
[16:01] <SuperEngineer> hokeys - will do
[16:02] <MooDoo> AlanBell: ah ignore that :)
[16:03] <SuperEngineer> hokeys - will do
[16:03] <MooDoo> DJones: had fun in ubuntu ;)
[16:04] <penguin42> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/a42ab8b2-9d75-11e3-a599-00144feab7de.html#axzz2uzCBPTpT   seems a great way to get beuracritic issues
[16:04] <SuperEngineer> hmm - no errors - in fact no result shown at al in terminal... let's try a restart and see......
[16:05] <SuperEngineer> bbs
[16:05] <penguin42> oh
[16:05] <penguin42> reboot won't help
[16:07] <MooDoo> DJones: you around again un #ubuntu?
[16:08] <DJones> Got them
[16:08] <MooDoo> yay :)
[16:09] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: You didn't want to reboot
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> wow - what a surprise! [sarcasm *is* the highest form of wit]... absolutely no difference whatsoever :(
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: why not reboot
[16:10] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: modprobe doesn't get stored
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> ahhh!
[16:10] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: so try the modprobe    and see if /sys/class/hwmod gains a new entry or if anything is added to syslog
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> that's wht I stuffed into a file last time - for a 3G dongle I think
[16:11] <penguin42> right, but no need here - first try the modprobe to see if it appears in /sys/class/hwmod
[16:12] <SuperEngineer> will do
[16:13] <SuperEngineer> darn .. what was the modprobe command again?? pretty, pretty please
[16:14] <penguin42> modprobe k10temp
[16:14] <SuperEngineer> ta
[16:18] <SuperEngineer> oooH -there *is no* hwmod under /sys/class - nearest is hwmon
[16:19] <penguin42> yeh it's hwmon
[16:19] <penguin42> hardware monitor as in
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> yuk! what the heck am I looking for?  [got a lot of "for 'recursive, see recursive' links and some files]... no idea what I should be looking for
[16:25] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: What's in /sys/class/hwmon now?
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> yup
[16:25] <penguin42> hey? I asked what
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> loads
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> pastebin coming up
[16:26] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: OK, also do   cat /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon*/name
[16:26] <penguin42> hmm myabe not
[16:29] <MooDoo> DJones: ok i'm going to try for ops in #ubuntu-offtopic, seems the most quiet at the moment lol
[16:30]  * SuperEngineer taps fingers waiting for darn imagebin to finish.... tap - tap - tap
[16:30] <DJones> MooDoo: s/quiet/insane/
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: http://imagebin.org/298092
[16:31] <MooDoo> DJones: well need to get my foot in the door, baptism of fire then ;)
[16:31] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Please use ls -l /sys/class/hwmon
[16:32] <SuperEngineer> with pleasure! 'coz that was a pain in the backside ;)
[16:34] <penguin42> (Ever been in a teleconference where someone shares a terminal over vnc to another machine to share it via one of these web conference schemes - positively the most inefficient way to share text)
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7062563/
[16:38]  * SuperEngineer gets eggs ready - coz that to me seems useless  ;)
[16:39] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Hmm you had that before so it probably didn't get helped by k10temp
[16:39] <SuperEngineer> cool
[16:39] <SuperEngineer> [WHOOPS! - wrong word right now :D  ]
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: I have tried, you have tied doubly so... I thank you massively for help  - I think it's a case of "have AMD, won't travel"  ;)
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> *tried
[16:43] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Yeh, I'd see if the k10temp guys or similar have anything new for apus - but I've never played with them
[16:43]  * SuperEngineer gets eggs ready
[16:43] <SuperEngineer> :D
[16:45] <SuperEngineer> ...just coz AMD says max overclock from 3.4 is to 3.6 [boring!]...
[16:45] <SuperEngineer>  - why shouldn't I give the m/board free reign & let it do the 4.1 it wants to ;)
[16:46]  * SuperEngineer checks chicken supply
[16:46] <penguin42> may want a bit of salt
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> :D
[16:47] <penguin42> nice thing with my work laptop (i7) is that it's nice and quiet except during a build - you know when the build has finished
[16:47] <shauno> I keep meaning to find wheels for mine, and see if the fans are capable of propulsion
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> I will get a clue from GPU, HDD1 & HDD2 - plus seeing if CPU use starts soaring or gets erratic
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> ...but will not use overclock if doing backups!
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> ....so - eggs... chips & beans as well perhaps  ;
[16:50] <SuperEngineer> goona reboot now - set to OC - wish me luck folks ;)
[16:50]  * SuperEngineer smells frying          ;)
[16:50]  * penguin42 doesn't OC
[16:55] <rad> hey everyone, I have a question regarding setting up a serial console in ubuntu 12.04 and I was hoping someone could help me
[16:56] <MooDoo> rad: the only thing I know about seial consoles is here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[16:58] <rad> this is where I have having difficulties, following this link I created the entry in  /etc/event.d/ttyS0, as directed including the line: exec /sbin/getty 110 ttyS0
[17:00]  * SuperEngineer now running 3.6 APU [but using an n‎Vidia to do the video bit, not the APU - lets hope these 3 fans do their magic ;)
[17:00] <rad> sorry I meant : /etc/init/ttyS0.conf - when I create the file as directed including the line: exec /sbin/getty -L 110 ttyS0 vt102 and then proceed to issue the command "sudo start ttyS0" I recieve the login prompt on the remote terminal and everything is fine
[17:00] <MooDoo> rad: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-serial-console-on-ubuntu/
[17:00] <MooDoo> I don't know about it tobe honest
[17:00] <rad> The issue is I have a terminal that requires 2 stop bits and I do not know how to configure getty for two stop bits
[17:01] <rad> *another terminal
[17:01] <SuperEngineer> APU now running at 4.1
[17:01]  * SuperEngineer sniggers... temporarily
[17:02] <SuperEngineer> [eggs at the ready
[17:02] <SuperEngineer> who wants beans with theirs?
[17:02] <penguin42> rad: wth did you find that terminal - are you sure?
[17:03]  * penguin42 hasn't come across anything that needs anything other than 8n1 for decades
[17:03] <rad> yes it is an ASR-33 teletypewritter from the 1960's 1970s
[17:04] <rad> i have three of them, two of them are not that picky are are ok with 1 stop bit however the third requires 2 data bits. the login is grabbled and once I login correctly and set it to two stop bits (stty cstob) everything is fine
[17:04] <rad> however it would be nice to have the login prompt appear correctly
[17:04] <penguin42> oh wow
[17:05] <penguin42> rad: You might be better with a different getty - I can't see anything on the agetty to set that
[17:05] <rad> i was checking agetty and mgetty earlier however i could not find anything to set 2 stop bits....
[17:05] <penguin42> rad: Yeh I mean that's odd
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> sda = 49c, sdb = 50c, GPP=38c ... no difference so far
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> anyone fancy suggesting a test for stabilty?
[17:06] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Google's stressapptest - it's mean
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> e.g. bechmarking - would that streetch the APU enough me wonders?
[17:07] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: And add some GL
[17:07] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: oooh - that's a good choice - let's do it
[17:07] <penguin42> rad: I can't see the options in the kernel's serial console support either
[17:07] <rad> I do have a baud rate converter which can be placed on the serial line itself and configure one port to be 2 stop bits however it would be nice to do that in software
[17:07] <penguin42> rad: Personally I'd get the agetty source and tweek it
[17:08] <rad> ok
[17:09] <penguin42> rad: Where the heck did you find those?
[17:09] <rad> on my solaris box in the /etc/ttydefs file I am able to set it for two stop bits:
[17:09] <rad> conttymy:110 hupcl evenp cstopb lcase icanon iexten ofill cr2:110 hupcl evenp cstopb lcase icanon iexten ofill cr2::
[17:09] <rad> but I guess the equivilant in ubuntu might not be there
[17:10] <penguin42> rad: Yeh I can't see it in agetty or the kernel's console docs
[17:10] <rad> I picked them up accross southern ontario (Canada) and brought them over to Vermont and had them restored
[17:11] <penguin42> very nice
[17:13] <penguin42> rad: I can't immediately see it in ngetty's docs either
[17:13] <rad> I did try sudo stty -F /dev/ttyS0 cstopb evenp 110 however it did not have the desired effect
[17:14] <penguin42> rad: mgetty looks like it might be able to set arbitrary settings
[17:15] <penguin42> rad: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?mgettydefs+4
[17:15] <rad> thank you! let me take a look
[17:16] <penguin42> rad: I expect a video of you doing a login on one :-)
[17:17] <rad> yes I am actually making a video..  i'll be posting it on youtube sometime in the near future
[17:18] <penguin42> rad: Do they do lower case?
[17:19] <rad> no only upper case. luckly Solaris implements lcase  icanon iexten correctly. letters typing in upper case are translated in lower case and if I want to specify an upper case it can be escaped
[17:20] <penguin42> yeh, I don't know if I've ever seen that on Linux
[17:20] <rad> unfortunately it appears this feature is not available in Ubuntu after searching online and trying myself, uppercase to lower case translation seems to work however escaping to indicate an uppercase character did not
[17:20] <rad> I also tried FreeBSD with no luck, however Solaris worked great
[17:21] <penguin42> rad: My 1st Unix usage was on an HP MIni in about '89 at college and some of the terminals were truly ancient and were upper case only, and we had a DEC writer that was the only printing terminal I'd ever used
[17:21] <rad> oh wow. I've heard about the DEC writer but never used one. that must have been fun!
[17:21]  * penguin42 pointed the admin to someone selling 2nd hand vt100's for about #10/each and we made a great improvement to the lab :-)
[17:22] <rad> what speed did the Dec writer run at? 110 baud? 300 baud?
[17:22] <penguin42> I can't remember - I'm thinking 300, it was dot matrix
[17:23] <rad> neat
[17:30] <daftykins> should you be bored enough to view yet MORE scenes of the island of Guernsey, have at ye...
[17:31] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lq22c6xlcnpozk8/VID_20140309_152739.mp4
[17:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nvweiuxzwicrlq1/IMG_20140309_155041.jpg
[17:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3r0rl5pc3lwngkn/IMG_20140309_155101.jpg
[17:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ierfg510broh4hr/IMG_20140309_154809.jpg
[17:38] <penguin42> daftykins: Have you used things like panoramio - you can upload pictures so they appear on google maps
[17:39] <daftykins> i haven't no
[17:39] <daftykins> i'd imagine anyone with a decent camera would be much more justified than my little phone snaps though :)
[17:39] <daftykins> here's the far more interesting ones
[17:39] <daftykins> beware of wind noise on this one: https://www.dropbox.com/s/evjny4kkqpdolce/VID_20140309_155724.mp4
[17:40] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hwspus8s24je2b2/IMG_20140309_155808.jpg
[17:40] <daftykins> plus a still of that same spot
[17:46] <penguin42> daftykins: It seems pretty random; I only use a cheap camera, some of my pictures get a handful of views a week
[17:46] <penguin42> daftykins: and you can see how they've been found - it shows search stats
[17:52] <daftykins> :D
[17:52] <daftykins> neat
[18:25] <rad> didn't have much luck with mgetty. in the end I setup getty to run an autologin for a guest account. once automatically logged in, I will be able to telnet to my solaris machine and login as needed
[18:30] <ali1234> rad: hmm
[18:32] <penguin42> rad: I wonder about instead of telnet'ing to the solaris machine, how about just running agetty at that point?
[18:34] <rad> I do need to eventually access the Solaris machine some how (located in another room). The Ubuntu machine was a way to interface the teletype with the remote solaris box
[18:40] <daftykins> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
[18:41] <daftykins> i've signed up for this for fun, might be basic- but ho-hum :)
[18:41] <rad> lunch time. take care everyone!
[18:41] <daftykins> ta-ra!
[18:41] <rad> thank you penguin42 for your help!
[18:42] <penguin42> rad: Hey no problem - nice project
[18:52] <shauno> if you're only using this as a 'jump box' to serial to the solaris box, you might want to look at ser2net, which is purrfect for such things
[18:53] <shauno> (exposes a serial port straight to a network port, so you just telnet to that port)
[19:37] <MooDoo> I love irc :)
[19:37] <penguin42> That's nice
[19:38] <MooDoo> lol just been lurking in ubuntu-irc, very enlightening
[19:41] <daftykins> MooDoo: what's that channel for?
[19:42] <MooDoo> irc council
[19:43] <MooDoo> daftykins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam?action=show&redirect=IrcTeam
[19:43] <penguin42> anything particularly contentious?
[19:43] <MooDoo> daftykins: basically the council that trys to keep ubuntu channels a nice place to visit
[19:44] <diddledan> I'm guessing they don't much like me? :-p
[19:44] <MooDoo> penguin42: no not really just interesting to see behind the scenes
[19:44] <MooDoo> diddledan: why so?
[19:44] <daftykins> MooDoo: ah, perhaps they need a reminder about -offtopic
[19:44] <daftykins> ;)
[19:44] <diddledan> MooDoo: family friendly deficiency? :-D
[19:44] <penguin42> MooDoo: You'd think they'd plant some new borders and sweep the topics a bit more
[19:46] <MooDoo> :)
[19:46] <diddledan> +1 on the new foliage
[20:21]  * zenpho waves hi
[20:23] <daftykins> hey
[20:23] <zenpho> how goes it with you?
[20:26] <zenpho> I had no idea there was an ubuntu lug - but now I think about it I feel silly saying so - of course there would be - nice to have found you guys tho
[20:28] <daftykins> :D as in an online LUG? i guess it sort of is :)
[20:28] <daftykins> good here ty, nice sunny weekend. and you?
[20:29] <zenpho> yep, it was lovely here - wall to wall sunshine ;o)
[20:29] <zenpho> i didn't go outside much this weekend
[20:30] <zenpho> slightly embarrased to say I was mostly indoors doing hackerish things with scanners and printers
[20:30] <zenpho> heh
[20:31] <ali1234> yeah... this time last year we were all snowed in weren't we?
[20:33] <penguin42> it's been amazingly warm
[20:33] <zenpho> mm... I remember - crazy!
[20:34] <zenpho> I hope it's not going to be a very hot summer this year... just a nice sunny one, not too sticky.
[20:35] <zenpho> heh look at us, typical UK conversation with strangers "the weather the weather the weather" ;o)
[20:38] <zenpho> any of you guys affected by yonder flooding?
[20:38] <ali1234> no
[20:39] <ali1234> last year the council put rain-gardens in our road though
[20:39] <ali1234> they are supposed to prevent flooding
[20:39] <ali1234> but it doesn't flood here
[20:39] <penguin42> rain-gardens?
[20:39] <zenpho> rain gardens? i've never heard the term
[20:39] <ali1234> you know... grass verges?
[20:39] <zenpho> ahaaa
[20:40] <ali1234> they dug those up and replaced them with essentially a trench 1 foot deep, with longer grass and plants
[20:40] <zenpho> howdy znurgl
[20:41] <zenpho> I wasn't flooded either - pretty high up where I am
[20:42] <zenpho> flood gardens seem like an interesting technique to aid drainage tho
[20:45] <zenpho> so do any of you guys meet? like a lug in real life?
[20:45] <ali1234> amusingly, people threw half eaten takeaways in it
[20:45] <ali1234> and we got tomota and sweetcorn plants growing
[20:45] <ali1234> *tomato
[20:45] <zenpho> hehe! typical
[20:46] <penguin42> isn't sweetcorn normally cooked?
[20:46] <ali1234> yeah
[20:46] <zenpho> I read your "1 foot deep" wrong - was about to say "wouldn't drunks stumble in and get stuck?"
[20:47] <ali1234> well, frankyl, yes
[20:47] <penguin42> not a bad idea, drunk trap
[20:47] <zenpho> "10 foot deep" - a little more dangerous!
[20:47] <ali1234> you wouldn't get stuck but you could do yourself a nasty injury
[20:49] <zenpho> I've only ever grown tomato plants in a greenhouse
[20:50] <zenpho> interesting that they'll happily kinda grow outdoors with little shelter
[20:51] <ali1234> it didn't grow any tomatos
[20:51] <zenpho> talking of plants growing in unusual places - reminds me of "guerilla gardening" - planting in the earth around road-side trees in urban areas
[20:52] <zenpho> i remember a friend telling me about people who put in flowers and climbers where none were meant
[20:52] <zenpho> wb oly
[20:54] <zenpho> say, i wonder could any of you guys help me with a problem with my onboard soundcard in ubuntu here? no problem if you'd rather not
[20:55] <ali1234> what is the problem?
[20:55] <MooDoo> zenpho: just ask your question if any one is around who knows they'll answer it :D
[20:56] <zenpho> sound was hapily working for a while, but then only silence recently, even after reboots. Alsa identifies the chip as a "SigmaTel STAC9200"
[20:56] <zenpho> hi fwereade
[20:57] <ali1234> open alsamixer from terminal
[20:57] <ali1234> check all the outputs are not muted
[20:57] <ali1234> there are two catches you also need to be aware of:
[20:57] <ali1234> sometimes speaker and headphone outputs are reversed
[20:57] <zenpho> currently i'm using an external usb thing to listen, lemme unplug that first
[20:57] <ali1234> and there is sometimes a switch called "independent h/p" - try turning it on
[20:58] <zenpho> okidoke, i'll try these things and report back - hold up - thanks ali
[21:00] <zenpho> well now I'm confused. even without me messing in alsamixer - sound is back and working - i just unplugged the usb sound"card" and things came over the internal speakers again
[21:00] <ali1234> sometimes the hardware can act funny like this
[21:00] <zenpho> I wonder what happened to make it stop working for so long? it's you guys magical influence!
[21:01] <ali1234> there is actually a bug in 13.10 when when you add/remove sound cards it unmutes all of them
[21:01] <ali1234> fixed in 14.04 though
[21:01] <ali1234> alsamixer is the first thing to check when things go wrong
[21:01] <ali1234> it is lower level than the pulseaudio stuff on the panel
[21:02] <zenpho> good tips
[21:02] <ali1234> i bet the side effects of that bug fixed it for you though
[21:03] <zenpho> yes maybe.... perhaps I should just plug and unplug this external after booting (if there's a problem again of course)
[21:05] <zenpho> thank you very much for tips and guidance ali
[21:10] <zenpho> hold on, switching from webchat to xchat here
[21:10] <zenpho_> hi me
[21:10] <zenpho> hi
[21:15] <zenpho> I should disappear (or at least start lurking) pretty soon - got an early start tomorrow
[21:32] <zenpho> :o( we'll miss you rad and phil
[21:45]  * zenpho goes afk for a bit
[22:28] <zenpho> g'night all
[22:28] <zenpho> i'll probably be back tomorrow
[23:18] <MooDoo> well LjL isn't happy at all
[23:27] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[23:28] <daftykins> MooDoo: i know him from another channel, that's pretty much permanent
[23:29] <MooDoo> daftykins: sigh
[23:32] <MooDoo> daftykins: mountain out of a molehill
[23:36] <daftykins> oh? :(
[23:42] <daftykins> MooDoo: is he kicking up a fuss?