[01:19] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1290155] package libqtcore4 failed to install @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1290155 (by Raphael Silveira)
[04:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please have a look at the kde4libs version requirement in your last kwalletmanager upload and then fix.  It's stuck dep-wait ATM.
[05:50] <valorie> hi all, I see this https://trello.com/c/lXnsdJw1/23-kde-sc-4-13-beta1 but no more notes on it -- the Dot article is going out in a few hours and there is nothing about us.....
[05:55] <valorie> this cold is horrid, so I'm turning off my computer now
[07:07] <soee> good morning
[09:43] <yofel> apachelogger: any update on bug 1281036?
[09:56] <apachelogger> yofel: ck pointless, logind patch somewhere and intended to land upstream, whether or not that is actually going to happen I do not know
[09:57] <apachelogger> there was something peculiar though
[09:57] <apachelogger> like a lot of stuff depends on ck
[09:58] <yofel> I know that ximion did a bunch of things to get rid of ck in tanglu, including patching. So I guess we'll postpone that to 14.10?
[10:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:01] <apachelogger> yofel: well the kdm level dep can be removed, there is no point in us having it
[10:01] <apachelogger> but for example polkit-qt also deps ck
[10:01] <Riddell> morning
[10:01] <apachelogger> so even if the dep goes away from kdm you won't get rid of ck unless polkit-qt is fixed
[10:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: yo
[10:02] <yofel> moin Riddell
[10:02] <yofel> true
[10:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did we mis-communicate over 4.12.80?
[10:14] <Riddell> ooh interesting, dolphin got a dropbox plugin fileviewdropboxplugin.so
[10:17] <apachelogger> oh
[10:17] <apachelogger> yofel: I totally fixed the bug in workspace bzr... :P
[10:17] <yofel> oh oops ^^
[10:19] <soee> someone is fixig this errors http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.80_trusty.html ? :)
[10:21] <Riddell> soee: yes, but any help appreciated
[10:24] <apachelogger> yofel: after looking at it for a bit I think the polkit dep could also simply be removed
[10:24] <apachelogger> though it does direct dbus stuff, so I am not sure if that would not introduce unintended lockups due to stuff not being there (qtdbus likes to do that)
[10:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: added libqmobipocket-dev to kfilemetadata, unless there's a reason you missed it out
[10:45] <apachelogger> newest bug reports make me cringe again
[10:46] <apachelogger> so very pontless
[10:47] <soee> Riddell: sure if i would only know hot to do it :) i have to many projects (web development) to find time to get into packaging :/
[10:48] <apachelogger> you know, I really need web developers btw :P
[10:48] <soee> apachelogger: if you need help feel free to contact me:)
[10:49] <apachelogger> there's a card or two having to do with web development ^^
[10:49] <soee> card or two ?
[11:08] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1281036] Why is kdm still depending on consolekit? @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1281036 (by Simon Rettberg)
[11:10] <Riddell> why is kdm still existing is a better question :)
[11:20] <soee> oh kdm was a life savior few times last week :D
[11:21] <Riddell> soee: why's that?
[11:23] <soee> Riddell: i had some problems when lightdm didn't start and kdm worked for me
[11:23] <soee> but after fresh install 2-3 weeks ago all seems to be just fine
[11:25] <soee> btm im impressed how quick sometimes bugs get fixed in ubuntu :) one day after my report there was fix released https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1289420 :)
[11:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:53] <Riddell> small review http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/10/ubuntu_flavours_review/?page=2
[11:53] <Riddell> "While OpenSUSE remains my favorite KDE distro, Kubuntu 14.04 is looking like a great way to run KDE atop a Debian-based system."  hmm
[11:54] <Riddell> I tried opensuse and still really dislike the re-themeing and yast stuff
[11:54] <soee_> used it a long time ago, than like a year ago in VM
[11:55] <soee_> but Kubuntu is the one
[11:55] <soee_> i remember one feature i liked about opensuse i think
[11:55] <soee_> it was one click installation button
[11:56] <BluesKaj> ihave open suse 13.1 on a separate hdd, since I heard good things , but 2days in and i have repos problems 
[11:57] <BluesKaj> don't think I'll be playing around with it much longer
[12:16] <Riddell> morning shadeslayer :)
[12:17] <shadeslayer> good morning :)
[12:17] <shadeslayer> my computer is so slow
[12:18] <davmor2> shadeslayer: it'll be that god awful operating system you use get windows 8.1 it'll cure all that for you ;)
[12:18] <shadeslayer> yeah, I hear it has boxes and rectangly stuff
[12:18] <shadeslayer> sounds all cool and futuristic
[12:19] <davmor2> shadeslayer: Haha
[12:20] <davmor2> Yeah the box is what holds the dvd and the rectangles are the things that leak from your wallet to pay for the sticker that accompanies the dvd :D
[12:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind fixing kwalletmanager?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> 4.12.3 in Trusty
[12:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok
[12:22] <shadeslayer> I don't have upload rights :(
[12:22] <BluesKaj> W8.1 is a tablet OS , doesn't belong on a regular desktop or lappy
[12:24] <BluesKaj> most of my friends are windows users, and they're switching back to W7 on any new machines they buy
[12:28]  * Riddell doesn't see much of interest on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/ except 1 qt session
[12:28] <Riddell> speaking of which, how's the 5.2 upload going Mirv?
[12:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you remember why you made the baloo package replace kde-runtime ?
[12:55] <Riddell>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/kde4/kio_timeline.so', which is also in package kde-runtime 4:4.12.3-0ubuntu1
[12:55] <Riddell> ah hah
[12:55] <Riddell> baloo does overlap
[13:06] <Mirv> Riddell: powers that be waiting for bug #1207270 fix to be perfect plus at the same time some autopilot test regressions hunting. the landing itself would be ready, everything is at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-006/+packages
[13:06] <Mirv> I'm now entertaining myself with arm64 builds so that those could also be binary copied
[13:06] <Mirv> powerpc/ppc64el is in pretty good shape
[13:07] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_: about the navigation, it's too much, just make it an actual item at the top of the page, not magically appearing
[13:08] <apachelogger> it makes the site too busy
[13:08] <apachelogger> also it makes for random visual nonesense
[13:10] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_: http://i.imgur.com/hQUnhEc.png like here I have a menu ontop of a menu, and the overlay menu doesn't even have a search, so it's a 50% less useful menu than the menu it is layed over
[13:17] <sgclark> Riddell: did you get my email with all of the ready packages?
[13:19] <Riddell> sgclark: yes I should have uploaded them all
[13:20] <Riddell> although do let me know if I didn't
[13:22] <sgclark> Riddell: kdoctools, kio, kservice need upload
[13:23] <Riddell> ok onto it
[13:24] <Riddell> sgclark: kdoctools is the latest
[13:25] <sgclark> hmm, ok let me check
[13:25] <Riddell> sgclark: kio and kservice should also be the latest
[13:26] <sgclark> Riddell: I have no idea why they are red then :( I fixed not-installed
[13:28] <Riddell> sgclark: mm yes you may be right looking at the contents of the packages in the PPA, will upload again
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: now you know :)
[13:30] <sgclark> Riddell: also I noticed krunner has the 4 version thing going on
[13:30] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded again, let's see how that does
[13:30] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks!
[13:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: know what?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why baloo replaces kde-runtime
[13:31] <Riddell> ah yes, I do
[13:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think all that was left for baloo was license stuff
[13:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep, onto it
[13:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I also split out the libraries
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cool :)
[13:35] <Riddell> and just removing nepomuk from kde-runtime, ah nepomuk, we knew thee well atrocious name and all
[13:35] <shadeslayer> why remove it?
[13:35] <sgclark> lol crashtastic
[13:35] <Riddell> no longer builds with it
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: huh? Amarok still depends on Nepomuk
[13:36] <shadeslayer> well
[13:36] <shadeslayer> 'depends'
[13:36] <shadeslayer> so if you have nepomuk installed, you get meta data integration with amarok
[13:36] <shadeslayer> same for digikam I believe
[13:36] <Riddell> kde-runtime doesn't build with nepomuk any more by default
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'd consider that a problem
[13:37] <Riddell> we could turn it on if those parts are still needed
[13:37] <Riddell> vhanda around yet to ask him?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> nope
[13:37] <shadeslayer> poke Alex / tsdgeos for the correct course of action here IMHO
[13:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looks like no one cares about app-install-data or knows how to fix it :(
[13:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you get my ping?
[13:40]  * Riddell adds an KDERUNTIME_BUILD_NEPOMUK=true
[13:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: kwalletmanager?
[13:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I can't upload a fixed version, Riddell should have fixed it
[13:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, I saw, much fancy
[13:42] <Riddell> still on the todo list, will get to it shortly
[13:42] <Riddell> what needs doing?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: build depends is the wrong version
[13:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: supposedly one could do that stuff outside canonical tho :P
[13:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: "supposedly"
[13:42] <apachelogger> just requires an archive mirror and a bit of python haxxoring to make it run
[13:42] <shadeslayer> it be not documented afaik
[13:42] <apachelogger> archive mirror ought to be the most exhausting thing here ^^
[13:43] <shadeslayer> mm
[13:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: good code is documentation :P
[13:43] <apachelogger> really, the problem is the mirror part
[13:43] <apachelogger> you need a full local mirror from what I have seen
[13:43] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:43] <apachelogger> then the crawler will walk through all packages and extract desktop files
[13:44] <shadeslayer> I /could/ potentially do it
[13:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just send a bump mail to the thread :P
[13:44] <apachelogger> every day
[13:44] <apachelogger> until someone does something ^^
[13:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://trello.com/c/3qlMcV3D/87-evaluate-apport-kde
[13:44] <shadeslayer> we do need apport-kde
[13:45] <shadeslayer> to submit stuff to daisy
[13:45] <apachelogger> no we do not
[13:45] <apachelogger> we need python-apport to submit stuff to daisy
[13:45] <apachelogger> we need apport-kde to handle !kde apps
[13:46] <shadeslayer> oh hm
[13:46] <Riddell> ScottK: shadeslayer: kwalletmanager uploaded!
[13:46] <shadeslayer> true true
[13:46] <apachelogger> that being said *we* don't need it because we almost exclusively deal with kde apps
[13:46] <apachelogger> so it is not mission critical for us
[13:46] <apachelogger> it is however sensible to have it anyway
[13:46] <shadeslayer> right
[13:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://trello.com/c/f3ax0qf7 < can I start working on that?
[13:46] <apachelogger> of course it is not maintained, so it is all a bit fishy
[13:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not yet
[13:47] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:47] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/jddah0bu
[13:47] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/ai7BGDWe
[13:47] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/q4sdntKb
[13:47] <apachelogger> actually
[13:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://trello.com/c/LXHZgmZR
[13:48] <apachelogger> other than that the QA boards still have stuff
[13:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you finish refactoring?
[13:48] <apachelogger> alas, most of it is low profile, but still nicer than other things
[13:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, that doesn't block the bug fixes you have pending there tho
[13:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay, new driver manager release then
[13:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also FWIW, as far as I know there is no dep3 parser at this time so while the tool would be simple, the parser would need writing from scratch
[13:51] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:51] <apachelogger> or well, if someone wrote a parser it's likely in perl :P
[13:51] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[13:51] <shadeslayer> we shall write one in the awesomest language known to man
[13:52] <shadeslayer> assembly
[13:52] <shadeslayer> :3
[13:52] <apachelogger> what's wrong with assembly? :O
[13:53] <apachelogger> c is the nicest management container for asm, and asm is the nicest language to use in a c program :P
[13:54] <apachelogger> the perl fanboys should port their stuff to ruby, they should feel right at home while not preventing everyone else from reading the code ...
[13:55] <sgclark> Riddell: kdoctools needs another push, mis-named manpages in not-installed fixed
[13:58] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[13:59]  * apachelogger uploads muon with a bazillion patches
[14:00] <soee> :P
[14:01] <soee> muon worked pretty well for me so far
[14:08] <shadeslayer> you clearly haven't used the test case document then xD
[14:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there be bugs in kubuntu-driver-manager
[14:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/NjUFucz.png
[14:09] <shadeslayer> Apply button should be enabled
[14:09] <shadeslayer> but it's not
[14:10] <apachelogger> oh la la
[14:10] <apachelogger> one wonders how that can break with the changes I made
[14:11] <shadeslayer> I don't think it was broken before, but just need to confirm 
[14:12] <shadeslayer> yeah works with 0ubuntu2
[14:12] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[14:12] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah logic is busted :/
[14:12] <apachelogger> werx for me
[14:12] <apachelogger> maybe I did not push
[14:12] <apachelogger> lemme check
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: test case : click on broadcom driver -> click on different radeon driver -> click on currently active radeon driver
[14:13] <shadeslayer> goes kaput
[14:13] <shadeslayer> and I can imagine why
[14:14] <apachelogger> well, I have no broadcom now do I? and you did not take my suggestions that you should introduce a fake mode :P
[14:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how does that work though?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> emit changed(true) -> emit changed(true) -> emit changed(false)
[14:14] <apachelogger> well but that is bugged to begin with
[14:14] <shadeslayer> last one causes button disabling
[14:14] <apachelogger> so that should have been broken with ubuntu2 as well, no?
[14:15] <apachelogger> or did you only introduce diff handling later?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> it is 
[14:15] <shadeslayer> this would need state tracking in the kcm :/
[14:15] <apachelogger> no it wouldn't necessarily
[14:16] <shadeslayer> oh?
[14:16] <apachelogger> in the slot of the module you go foreach widget: if (widget->didYouChange()) { emit changed(); return }
[14:16] <shadeslayer> hm, yeah makes sense
[14:17] <apachelogger> it's cheap enough for this case
[14:17] <apachelogger> the other option would be simple state checking a la qmap<widget, bool>
[14:17] <shadeslayer> that's what I was thinking 
[14:17] <apachelogger> or actually
[14:17] <apachelogger> you just need qset<widget>
[14:18] <apachelogger> if a widget is in the set, it has changed
[14:18] <apachelogger> all in all it's probably some 10 sloc :P
[14:18] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[14:18] <shadeslayer> next iteration
[14:18] <apachelogger> actually, you should do that
[14:18] <apachelogger> probably cheaper than asking the widget
[14:18] <shadeslayer> since I want to get current bug fixes out
[14:18] <apachelogger> or not
[14:18] <apachelogger> it's probably all the same xD
[14:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: personally I'd go with the hasChanged() function on widget
[14:19] <apachelogger> it separates the data somewhat more from the decision of what to do with the data
[14:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:27] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7067871/
[14:27] <Riddell> sgclark: it's a plugin, it's allowed to have weird dependency information
[14:28] <Riddell> you can add a libkf5khtml5.lintian-override if you want
[14:28] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thanks
[14:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger plz upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu3.dsc
[14:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that should be in the set?
[14:34] <apachelogger> or not
[14:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please check with cj why it's not I guess
[14:35] <apachelogger>   Uploading kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu3_source.changes: done.
[14:35] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[14:36] <shadeslayer> cheerio
[14:38] <Riddell> agateau: no nepomuk for gwenview now?
[14:38] <agateau> Riddell: it is all baloo powered, now!
[14:41]  * Riddell looks to gwenview for the bare necessities
[14:46] <agateau> Riddell: monday nag. I can has review for Ubiquity fix? https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-cropped-greeter-buttons/+merge/208628
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw for arch specific install files I just do foo.install.armhf right?
[14:49] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:49] <shadeslayer> though that won't scale for when I want to build for all arm ach's
[14:49] <shadeslayer> *arch's
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no great answer that I've found
[14:49] <Riddell> you can do foo.install.armhf and foo.install.arm64
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:49] <shadeslayer> but then that's just duplication :(
[14:49] <Riddell> but then you have to remember to keep them all up to date 
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:49] <shadeslayer> or
[14:49] <shadeslayer> symlinks
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ln -s foo.install.arm foo.install.armhf
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ln -s foo.install.arm foo.install.arm64
[14:49] <Riddell> you can also have the failed individually installed in debian/rules depending on the arch
[14:49] <shadeslayer> voila
[14:49] <Riddell> but then you have to live with --list-missing complaining
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how so?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> some binaries will only be built on armhf/arm64
[14:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^ any opinions on symlinks inside packaging
[14:51] <shadeslayer> pft
[14:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^ any opinions on symlinks inside packaging
[14:51] <ScottK> I haven't been following, so no opinion on specifics, but generically, it happens all the time.
[14:52] <Riddell> agateau: yes, sorry, will get to it
[14:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: basically, kwin_gles should only be built for armhf and arm64 , and that would mean writing arch specific install files
[14:53] <ScottK> Right.  We've had those before.
[14:53] <ScottK> No problem there.
[14:53] <shadeslayer> cool, so I just write kde-window-manager.install.arm and symlink that to kde-window-manager.install.arm64 and armhf
[14:54] <ScottK> I believe you can.
[14:54] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: please talk with MG first, to make sure that is still what he wants 
[14:54] <shadeslayer> thx :)
[14:54] <ScottK> Or just symlink one to the other, no need for three.
[14:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: oh okay
[14:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what are the files that differ?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: at the very least kwin_gles
[14:56] <shadeslayer> I haven't built the package yet without gles to see what else changes
[14:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: sent him an email
[14:58] <apachelogger_> oh, he is off again
[14:58] <apachelogger_> he starts work way too early I say
[14:59] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: I think he starts at 8
[15:00] <apachelogger_> some days it looks more like 7 :P
[15:01] <apachelogger_> Q: is it just me or does debdelta look like a bloody big workaround
[15:04] <soee> any idea why ark always neds a lot of time to open archive, even very small one ?
[15:05] <apachelogger_> no
[15:05] <apachelogger_> it largely depends on the compression format used though, some have more sensible access methods than others AFAIK
[15:05] <soee> maybe im missing some dependency, not sure
[15:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw which cache rescans do you talk about here https://trello.com/c/q4sdntKb
[15:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see description
[15:14] <shadeslayer> did you just add that
[15:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[15:34]  * shadeslayer is trying to reproduce on a live session
[15:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/vids/Kubuntu%2014.04.webm
[15:39] <shadeslayer> so what part of that is wrong? it scans for languages -> installs -> scans for languages again?
[15:42] <apachelogger> so why does that not play in dragon
[15:42] <apachelogger> if stuff was only broken half as much it would still be broken beyond repair
[15:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see my comment that progress bar is not rescanning the languages, it is rescanning the xapian index
[15:44] <apachelogger> well, updating really
[15:44] <shadeslayer> PHONON-GST BEGIN: void Phonon::Gstreamer::MediaObject::setError(const QString&, Phonon::ErrorType) 
[15:44] <shadeslayer> PHONON-GST   "Internal data flow error." 
[15:44] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:45] <sgclark> Riddell: khtml ready
[15:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't get a cache rescan when I move a language back
[15:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think gstreamer doesn't speak webm
[15:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, well, even after install it shouldn't update
[15:46] <apachelogger> it does a qapt cache update, but that ought not cause the progressbar
[15:46] <apachelogger> no, wrong again
[15:46] <shadeslayer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/vids/Kubuntu%2012.04.webm
[15:46] <apachelogger> it reopens the qapt/apt cache xD
[15:46] <apachelogger> the madness
[15:47] <shadeslayer> ignore the name :P
[15:47] <apachelogger> its the same video
[15:47] <apachelogger> is it not
[15:47] <shadeslayer> no, this one removes
[15:48] <apachelogger> no
[15:48] <apachelogger> it's the same video :P
[15:48] <apachelogger> now it's 403
[15:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah try again
[15:48] <apachelogger> ah wrong commnd
[15:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: don't use apply at all
[15:48] <apachelogger> just move stuff around
[15:49] <shadeslayer> yeah, I don't see a cache rescan
[15:49] <shadeslayer> boom crash
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so what I see is -> start -> scan -> engb to selection -> scan -> engb out of selection -> scan ->...
[15:49] <shadeslayer> nope, don't see that on the live session
[15:49] <apachelogger> basically whenver something moves I get a xapian rescan for some reason
[15:49] <shadeslayer> also, i made it go kaboom
[15:50] <apachelogger> well that's not healthy
[15:50] <apachelogger> also
[15:50] <apachelogger> why do you test shit in the live session again
[15:51]  * apachelogger sighs at all the open tabs that now made him forget what he was looking at -.-
[15:53] <BluesKaj> hmm, closing the lid disconnects from irc, didn't set it to do so. Must be a bug :/ 
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7068347/
[15:54]  * apachelogger sighs at qapt
[15:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://open.spotify.com/track/4WamMWxFi6ts3xkIhivF5c
[15:55] <apachelogger> ?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKjeTadGPgY listen to this
[15:56] <apachelogger> starts off like really bad punk
[15:56] <apachelogger> is it really bad punk?
[15:57] <apachelogger> might easily be worse
[15:57]  * apachelogger throws a keyboard at shadeslayer
[15:57]  * shadeslayer catches
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: granted this is alot better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvcohzJvviQ
[15:58] <shadeslayer> same band
[15:58]  * apachelogger aint clicking youtube links from shadeslayer anymore
[15:58] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:59] <apachelogger> the locale kcm is also very shitty
[15:59] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[15:59] <apachelogger> it internally calls itself locale kcm, it really is called language though
[15:59] <apachelogger> ...
[15:59] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:59] <shadeslayer> it's weird
[15:59] <apachelogger> ehm
[15:59] <apachelogger> wait what
[15:59] <apachelogger> whatwhatwhat
[16:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that backtrace cannot be from a recent kcm locale
[16:00] <shadeslayer> whatx4
[16:00] <apachelogger> that backtrace should contain libkubuntu somewhere
[16:00] <apachelogger> the kcm has no direct access to the qapt classes anymore
[16:00] <shadeslayer> ah, possibly old iso then
[16:01] <apachelogger> ........
[16:01]  * shadeslayer is upgrading his install
[16:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get yourself an autostart script that triggers a zsync after 15 minutes into the session
[16:01] <shadeslayer> xD
[16:07] <sgclark> Riddell: i386 sybol fix plasma-framework ready
[16:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: about that gst card, if you tag something blocked, at the very least paste the relevant IRC discussion :S
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you push your baloo changes?
[16:12] <apachelogger> say you get hit by a bus and I need to go on rehab, someone might have a hard time finding out why exactly that card is being blocked by app-install-data
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: alternatively, can I make gwenview depend on libbaloo-dev
[16:14] <sgclark> Riddell: knewstuff, plasma-framework ready
[16:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the poor bus
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hang on, I'm looking at baloo and gwenview
[16:16] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:16] <shadeslayer> I was looking at gwenview
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: although I'm a little stuck so maybe you can help
[16:16] <shadeslayer> sure, ssup
[16:16] <sgclark> Riddell: also I don't see khtml in que nor rebuilt recently so add that to the list
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also, KDE SC 4.12.3 copied for Precise
[16:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: awooga, lovely
[16:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pushed baloo packaging
[16:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I split it 1 package for each library as debian likes it
[16:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kept 1 package baloo for everything else
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but this gives a runtime package that stuff like gwenview I expect ought to depend upon and the baloo package depends on the libraries
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so circular dependency
[16:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so I altered the .symbols files to make them depend on baloo in the same way that libkdecore5 add a depends on kde-runtime in the .symbols files
[16:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but it doesn't seem to work, at least gwenview doesn't depend on baloo
[16:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any ideas?
[16:22] <shadeslayer> you can add it manually I think, via debian/rules
[16:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: for gwenview?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> moment, looking at packaging
[16:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so gwenview depends on libbaloowhatever and baloo, baloo depends on libbaloo* .. how is that circular?
[16:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: gwenview depends on libbaloofiles4, libbaloofiles4 depends on baloo, baloo depends on libbaloofiles4
[16:27] <Riddell> but libbaloofiles4 depends on baloo only as a runtime dep
[16:27] <shadeslayer> remove baloo from libbaloofiles4 dep
[16:27] <shadeslayer> lemme check how to do that
[16:28] <Riddell> so yes we could manually add baloo as a runtime dep to gwenview but I'd rather not have to remember to do that for every package which uses baloo
[16:28] <Riddell> I'd rather libbaloofiles4 magically added a depend on baloo for anything that needed it
[16:28] <Riddell> which my packaging should make happen
[16:28] <Riddell> but doesn't
[16:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps , looks like it should work
[16:33]  * shadeslayer looks
[16:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: building, give me a moment
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: interesting, I get W: libbaloofiles4: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package baloo
[16:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah that's expected, since that's what I added in to the symbols file
[16:41] <Riddell> lintian finds it obscure
[16:41] <Riddell> but it's what kdelibs does for kde-runtime and phonon does for phonon
[16:41] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[16:43] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7068587/
[16:44] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm dunno, I'll take a look when I can
[16:44] <Riddell> sgclark: knetstuff, khtml and plasma-framework uploaded!
[16:44] <shadeslayer> interesting
[16:44] <shadeslayer> +er
[16:46] <Riddell> I wonder if the build-depend line does something in the .symbols file
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, that's what I am trying out
[16:47] <jmux> What's the best way to get a patch included in Qt4 (my patch and problem is https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-37380)?
[16:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah hah, if I just put the first line to be "libbaloofiles.so.4 libbaloofiles4 #MINVER#, baloo" then it picks it up
[16:47] <shadeslayer> drat
[16:47] <shadeslayer> you beat me to it
[16:48] <shadeslayer> I was trying that out too
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well the build-depend line might do something as well
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: potentially then it's broken in kdelibs
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes maybe, they're alternatives and the symbols line should tell it what alternative to use as I read https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps
[16:49] <Riddell> jmux: included upstream or in ubuntu packaging?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw are you sure that fixes it? I see :  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libkdecore5 (>= 4:4.12.80), libqjson0 (>= 0.7.1), libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-sql (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.8.0), libsolid4 (>= 4:4.12.80), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libxapian22
[16:49] <shadeslayer> no baloo in there
[16:49] <jmux> Preferably both - without the patch LibreOffice crashs with the KDE4 backend.
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I have libbaloofiles.so.4 libbaloofiles4 #MINVER#, baloo
[16:49] <shadeslayer> jmux: file a review request on gerrit
[16:49] <shadeslayer> for the Qt part
[16:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep and when I do that I compile gwenview and it ends up with "Depends: baloo, libbaloofiles4 (>= 4:4.12.80), libc6 (>= 2.14)"
[16:50] <Riddell> and other depends
[16:50] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:50] <shadeslayer> cool
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: neat stuff
[16:51] <shadeslayer> jmux: for filing a review request you need to make a gerrit account, sign the CLA, get a Qt4 git clone, commit your patch and push to the for-dev branch ( your commit should have a unique id in the commit message )
[16:52] <shadeslayer> jmux: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Contribution-Guidelines
[16:52] <jmux> shadeslayer: Thanks. That's just like LO. 
[16:53] <Riddell> jmux: you want it in precise I presume?
[16:53] <Riddell> xnox: congratulations on your new responsibilities
[16:54] <jmux> Riddell: Including Precise would be nice
[16:54] <xnox> Riddell: thanks!
[16:54] <shadeslayer> xnox: congrats indeed
[16:55]  * shadeslayer hands xnox a kitty
[16:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: baloo uploaded to ninjas
[16:55] <shadeslayer> awesomesauce
[16:55] <jmux> Riddell: But the bug is in all Qt4 versions and without the fix you can choose to run LO in KDE4 without native file pickers or include the patch.
[16:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: although it'll fail since I didn't upload kdepimlibs first, fixing
[16:56] <jmux> Riddell: If tested various workarounds but couldn't find and think of anything relyable
[16:56] <jmux> I've
[16:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you want to do gwenview or shall I?
[16:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you're on the etherpad so you have the lock on gwenview :)
[16:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I can 
[17:03] <Riddell> jmux: could you report the bug to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+filebug and I'll look at doing the SRUs
[17:06] <jmux> Riddell: Ok - will do after pushing it to Qt Gerrit.
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might want to repack kfilemetadata, cmake files are missing full license
[17:09] <shadeslayer> fixed in git
[17:09] <shadeslayer> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/kfilemetadata/repository/revisions/610f86145df226d4d6f4d99ec12ba1c749135a08
[17:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nah I don't usually bother repacking as long as upstream as it in version control that's good enough for friendly archive admins
[17:11] <shadeslayer> yay :D
[17:15] <Riddell> of course what happens if it gets reviewed by an unfriendly archive admin is another matter :)
[17:17] <shadeslayer> we send him cookies
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ( laced with weed )
[17:21] <shadeslayer> mmm
[17:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: upstream says keep both
[17:21] <shadeslayer> for kwin & kwin_gles
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: John is coming over for the Frameworks sprint
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maybe I can poke him to look at your locale patch
[17:29] <sgclark> Riddell: kwindowsystem, plasma-framework ready
[17:39] <Riddell> sgclark: plasma-framework I uploaded, anything missing?
[17:41] <Riddell> sgclark: ah I uploaded it to ninjas cos I'm getting confused between kf5 and kde sc 4
[17:42] <Riddell> sgclark: ok uploaded kwindowsystem plasma-framework
[17:44] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks! krunner is last one, hoping plasma-framework upload fixes it :)
[17:45] <Riddell> exciting!
[17:47] <shadeslayer> mmm kate has an embedded copy of underscore.js
[17:47] <shadeslayer> since 2012
[17:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is that a problem? licencing?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> lintian be warning
[17:52] <shadeslayer> though Debian has it as well
[17:52] <shadeslayer> so I suppose it's fien
[17:53] <Riddell> maybe it has its own package?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> there's too many hits with apt-file search for underscore.js
[17:53] <Riddell> packaging javascript is pretty faffy
[17:54] <Riddell> just leave it then
[17:54] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:54] <shadeslayer> packaging the web ... heh
[18:36] <ScottK> shadeslayer: underscore.js is packaged.  Just add a depends and symlink to the packaged one.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: sure, but which package :)
[18:38] <ScottK> Just a sec.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> !find underscore.js trusty
[18:38] <shadeslayer> 315 entries
[18:38] <shadeslayer> *315*
[18:39] <shadeslayer> I think everyone did a code copy xD
[18:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: libjs-sphinxdoc is probably best.
[18:40] <ScottK> Not all those are code copies.  p.u.c gets confused by symlinks.
[18:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: mind fixing in debian too?
[18:42] <ScottK> Yes.  Busy with $work.
[18:43] <shadeslayer> sure
[18:44] <shadeslayer> later is fine
[18:53] <sgclark> Riddell: krunner is ready for you, still odd dpend issue on pbuilder but not locally, if you could take a look whenever you have time. This finishes kf5 :)
[18:58] <Riddell> sgclark: awooga!
[19:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde-runtime uploaded
[19:31] <jmux> Riddell: Just opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/1290514. I hope there wll be some feedback from Qt Gerrit until tomorrow morning.
[19:32] <shadeslayer> jmux: I've nominated it for Precise/Saucy/Trusty
[19:33] <jmux> shadeslayer: Thanks
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde-runtime done btw
[19:39] <ScottK> Ohh.  I get that LO crash all the time.
[19:39] <ScottK> At least I think it's that one.
[19:39] <shadeslayer> try out the patch and you'll know :D
[19:42] <jmux> ScottK: If you don't have a master or LO 4.2 build from today, it'll still crash. There are more errors in the KDE4 backend, but this Qt one is impossible to workaround from LO.
[19:42] <ScottK> jmux: Thanks.  I'm glad to see someone working on making the KDE front end more reliable.
[19:54] <mitya57-mobile> shadeslayer: libjs-underscore is the package name
[19:55] <shadeslayer> mitya57-mobile: but ScottK suggested a different one
[19:55] <shadeslayer> libsphyinx or sth
[19:55] <mitya57-mobile> 315 probably includes symlinks
[19:55] <shadeslayer> 315?
[19:56] <mitya57-mobile> No, libjs-sphinxdoc ships a symlink to a file in libjs-underscore
 315 entries
[19:56] <shadeslayer> aha
[19:56] <shadeslayer> I see
[19:57] <shadeslayer> mitya57-mobile: do you reckon upstream needs contacting asking them not to ship a copy ?
[19:57]  * shadeslayer is waiting for the install to finish
[19:58] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1290514] LibreOffice KDE4 backend crashes in Qt4 recursive paint events @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1290514 (by Jan-Marek Glogowski)
[19:59] <mitya57-mobile> shadeslayer: Usually upstreams won't agree :)
[19:59] <mitya57-mobile> But if that file is minified and without source, then you need to create a DFSG tarball...
[20:00] <mitya57-mobile> In that case it will make sense to ask upstream to ship non-minified version.
[20:00]  * shadeslayer checks
[20:01] <shadeslayer> not minified
[20:01] <ScottK> shadeslayer: mitya57-mobile is right.
[20:01] <shadeslayer> mitya57-mobile: but it's a older version
[20:01] <ScottK> That's the one I actually meant.
[20:01] <ScottK> mitya57-mobile is also right about needed to do a DFSG tarball to remove the minified and sourceless JS
[20:02] <shadeslayer> http://paste.debian.net/86982/
[20:02] <shadeslayer> that's the file in kate
[20:02] <ScottK> OK.  Not minified.
[20:02] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:03] <mitya57-mobile> Older? Does that matter?
[20:03] <shadeslayer> yeah, 1.4.2 vs 1.4.4 in the archive
[20:03] <mitya57-mobile> In any case, filing a bug to BTS won't hurt.
[20:03] <shadeslayer> cool, will do tomorrow
[20:03] <ScottK> Shouldn't matter.
[20:03]  * shadeslayer heads home
[20:03] <mitya57-mobile> Err, we have 1.4.4
[20:04] <shadeslayer> mitya57-mobile: yes, and kate has 1.4.2
[20:04] <ScottK> Yeah.  It's kate that's older.
[20:04] <mitya57-mobile> Ah, no problems at all then.
[20:33] <Noskcaj> Is there anything kubuntu needs before beta 2 i can help with? I'm out of stuff to do
[20:33] <Noskcaj> maybe the new kshutdown release with systemd/logind support?
[20:40] <miseria> "sueña en grande y mientras caminas en busca de tus sueños, disfruta las cosas pequeñas a la vera del camino" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[20:46] <TheDrums> shadeslayer, valorie: May want to ban *!*@CPEc8d3a35a59fe-CM000f9fa607d2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com it's a known spammer (see above.)
[20:48] <ScottK> Tm_T or jussi ^^^
[21:07] <shadeslayer> okay
[21:07]  * shadeslayer looks
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: fyi you're op here :D
[21:08] <dougl> how do I manually set my ip in 14.04?
[21:10] <shadeslayer> hopefully I did that right
[21:10] <dougl> if its a vote you got mine - lol
[21:13] <lordievader> dougl: People allways tell me I should use ip instead of ifconfig but: ifconfig eth0 up <ip-address> netmask <netmask>
[21:13] <TheDrums> shadeslayer: Yes, you did.
[21:13] <shadeslayer> yay
[21:13] <shadeslayer> that was the first time I banned someone :|
[21:13] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I know, but I can never remember how to do it.
[21:13] <dougl> thanks lordievader 
[21:14] <shadeslayer> !opguide > ScottK
[21:14] <shadeslayer> now you do :D
[21:14] <TheDrums> shadeslayer: So now you have an ubottu PM. :P
[21:14] <shadeslayer> TheDrums: yes
[21:14] <shadeslayer> I think i Commented 
[21:15] <TheDrums> It's alright, it'll PM you again in a week asking you to review, all the OPs know what miseria is.  Thanks.
[21:16] <lordievader> dougl: After that you probably want to set a route to your gateway: route add default gw <gateway-ip>
[21:16] <shadeslayer> dougl: btw user support in #kubuntu
[21:16] <shadeslayer> well, #kubuntu doesn't have the ban
[21:16] <shadeslayer> I think
[21:18] <TheDrums> (It's got it)
[21:18] <shadeslayer> aha cool
[21:18]  * shadeslayer goes back into his cave, only to emerge tomorrow
[21:19] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Consider the odds I remember that a year from now the next time I care?
[21:20] <dougl> sorry
[21:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde-runtime uploaded where?
[21:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please consider quieting rather than banning next time
[21:44] <apachelogger> it's just so much more cruel xD
[22:16] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Beta2/Kubuntu created, please add anything noteworthy we might have forgotten previously or new stuff (if any); also bumped the SC entry, needs description though
[22:16] <Riddell> lovely, thanks apachelogger 
[22:31] <dougl> is it possible to manually set your ip address in 14.04?
[22:35] <dougl> beta 2?
[22:36] <dougl> beta1?
[22:41] <yofel> sure, either edit the connection settings in the NM Connection editor, or do it in interfaces like in the old times
[22:42] <apachelogger> (interfaces is not advised when nm is used I think
[22:43] <yofel> well, you shouldn't use it as long as NM can do the job. NM will ignore any interface that has settings in interfaces
[22:45] <yofel> (could we get interface briding support in NM?)
[22:46] <yofel> *bridging
[23:04] <dougl> yofel, is NM the little monitor connected to a cable in my system tray?
[23:05] <yofel> I think yes
[23:06] <dougl> and is my ip that I want it to be dhcp id?
[23:23] <dougl> yofel, ...and is my ip that I want it to be dhcp id?