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| Flannel | AlanBell: My complaint about spending time "fixing" factoids that don't need fixing, is that you're trying to solve a social problem (overuse of factoids where a conversation should exist) with a technical solution. Plus, it's a waste of time to review those, because theyre not broken (there are plenty that could be updated because theyre out of date, the technical ones). | 01:50 |
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| Flannel | My theory is that we focused on the first "actionable" item that was presented, because we felt that something needed to be *done* to make progress, and it's become a focal point when it should be a footnote. | 01:51 |
| Flannel | Back to the former statement: regardless of whether the factoid exists or is "fixed" to be less useful, you *still* need to go through the soical effort of getting people to talk more for the first/second/third time the user needs to be told/reminded, and then don't have an easy tool for the 4th/5th/etc time, when they know better, just need a nudge. | 01:53 |
| Flannel | So, you do a lot of work on the "social" factoids, for a net gain of zero. | 01:53 |
| Flannel | I think it's a waste of time, but I won't be wasting my time on it; so all I can say is go ahead and waste your own if that's what you think ought to be the first step. | 01:54 |
| Flannel | And that's just within the "factoid overuse" subissue of the "people behave like faceless machines" topic, whether it is/isn't one of the top few issues to tackle within the larger ecosystem I'm not going to even touch on at the moment. | 01:56 |
| phunyguy | This man is making sense. | 03:56 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 06:45 |
| AlanBell | Flannel: I don't know how to start a conversation about them any other way | 08:01 |
| AlanBell | I know how to start a "telling people what to do" | 08:01 |
| AlanBell | but a conversation is a bit different | 08:01 |
| AlanBell | if I just wanted them fixed, then I would go ahead and fix them | 08:02 |
| Tm_T | I will write few points about the discussions that has taken place here in past few days while I'm reading the logs, please bear with me (: | 09:32 |
| MooDoo | Tm_T: enjoy the logs :) | 09:32 |
| Tm_T | we IRCC do sit in -ops and do participate in the action when needed, although it is recommended that we try stand back. atleast I personally do try catalyst when I can | 09:33 |
| Tm_T | about "fixing our team": I have a feeling that we are using too much time on trying to heal or repair instead of focusing on things that do help healing or repairing | 09:34 |
| Tm_T | with this I mean we should try work as a team to do things we can do _now_ instead of trying to form a team (from thin air?) that could do something bigger | 09:34 |
| Tm_T | there's no short cut, let's not try search it anymore | 09:35 |
| Tm_T | about ops rotation: it's artificial "fix" to something that cannot be forced externally, instead I think we should focus on communication and sharing the understading that it is perfectly ok to step aside for a week or 6 | 09:38 |
| Tm_T | I know I do that all the time, thanks to other business I have to deal with (: | 09:38 |
| phunyguy | Hi | 13:07 |
| MooDoo | hi phunyguy | 13:32 |
| cprofitt | Flannel: some times easy tasks - like cleaning up factoids - can help a team that is having communication issues find common ground and work as a team. The fixing of factoids in and of itself will not be a solution to the large issue, but it can be a means to an end by getting the team to discuss a low stress issue | 13:59 |
| basketball | what does being op entail | 19:02 |
| genii | Headaches | 19:03 |
| basketball | hello chu | 19:05 |
| AlanBell | generally being moderately active in the relevant channel and keeping the conversations constructive and on topic | 19:05 |
| basketball | ok AlanBell thank you i hope tp join the team | 19:05 |
| AlanBell | and to help do that, ops can remove people who are spamming or disruptive | 19:06 |
| basketball | ok | 19:06 |
| AlanBell | best thing to do is just hang out and help people in channels that are interesting to you | 19:06 |
| Unit193 | Also, not crossposting every chance you get will help. | 19:06 |
| phunyguy | ^ | 19:07 |
| basketball | ok i am a new user now | 19:07 |
| basketball | i will help and not crostpost | 19:07 |
| IdleOne | you've been a new user for almost a year | 19:08 |
| IdleOne | time to get off that bus | 19:08 |
| phunyguy | phew, I survived. | 19:08 |
| basketball | IdleOne: what do you mean | 19:08 |
| phunyguy | ;) | 19:08 |
| basketball | i uploaded my fingerprint to the data base when do i find out that i can sign code of conduct | 19:09 |
| phunyguy | basketball: you really should read the wiki pages | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | there is a video too | 19:11 |
| AlanBell | !coc | 19:11 |
| ubottu | The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is the document that spells out etiquette in the Ubuntu community | http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct | Watch http://static.screencasts.ubuntu.com/videos/2010/12/22/004-SigningCoC.ogv | 19:11 |
| AlanBell | the ogv link is a video that shows it in some detail I think | 19:11 |
| basketball | thanks AlanBell | 19:18 |
| basketball | AlanBell: this website should be updated floodbots are retired in Hawaii https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines | 19:20 |
| AlanBell | true enough, I removed some of the floodbot related stuff on the wiki, but that needs an update too | 19:21 |
| rww | The whole wiki needs an update, I keep not getting around to it. | 19:22 |
| basketball | can i do it? | 19:25 |
| rww | !itsawiki | 19:25 |
| ubottu | It's a wiki, *you* can edit it | 19:25 |
| AlanBell | um, I already did | 19:27 |
| AlanBell | but if I hadn't done, then you could have done | 19:27 |
| AlanBell | but feel free to flick about for other pages mentioning the floodbots and revise accordingly | 19:28 |
| basketball | AlanBell: i went to go log in there and the authenticate is stuck loading | 19:29 |
| basketball | Internal Server Error | 19:30 |
| * IdleOne reboots all the servers | 19:31 | |
| Unit193 | That's normal when editing the wiki. | 19:31 |
| rww | you failed your computer intimidation check | 19:31 |
| AlanBell | it is rather slow to authenticate | 19:32 |
| AlanBell | but it worked for me, just tried again in a clean browser session | 19:32 |
| basketball | ok it worked | 19:34 |
| basketball | is Floodbotit1 flood bot | 19:36 |
| MooDoo | evening all | 19:51 |
| basketball | !canibeop | 19:56 |
| ubottu | If you are interested in joining the Ubuntu IRC Team, take a look at both http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements for info on the process and requirements. You can also learn about what the job entails from people in #ubuntu-irc. | 19:56 |
| basketball | hey AlanBell that email you sent out the https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad link you dont need to be approved | 19:59 |
| Unit193 | !canibananop | 19:59 |
| AlanBell | basketball: erm, you do | 20:00 |
| AlanBell | unless you are already an indirect member of it | 20:00 |
| AlanBell | which is why you are pending approval . . . | 20:00 |
| AlanBell | and now you are approved | 20:01 |
| basketball | AlanBell: whoops it didnt say i needed to be accepted | 20:11 |
| basketball | when you are an op how often do you have to be online | 20:39 |
| MooDoo | basketball: I would of thought it would be when you get chance, I suspect RL takes priority :D | 20:52 |
| MooDoo | but don't quote me on that you might have to staple your fingers to the keyboard ;) | 20:53 |
| Unit193 | Duct tape, but close enough. | 20:54 |
| MooDoo | lol | 20:54 |
| basketball | i would have guessed glue | 20:54 |
| basketball | is anyone here willing to train me so i am able to support more people and more accuratly | 21:48 |
| holstein | basketball: are you idle in the support channels? | 21:48 |
| basketball | no im trying to help in #ubuntu in #ubuntu+1 i am listening | 21:49 |
| basketball | so i can help if needed | 21:49 |
| holstein | basketball: just stay there, and answer the questions you can.. if you have time to research the question, research and share relevant information | 21:49 |
| basketball | holstein: is there like a cheat sheet with like website or commands to run | 21:50 |
| holstein | basketball: the wiki pages | 21:50 |
| holstein | i use whatever resources is relevant | 21:50 |
| holstein | are* | 21:50 |
| basketball | ok thank holstein want to be able to support my community | 21:51 |
| holstein | ubottu is handy | 21:52 |
| holstein | !ask | 21:52 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 21:52 |
| holstein | !ask > basketball | 21:52 |
| ubottu | basketball, please see my private message | 21:52 |
| holstein | for example | 21:52 |
| holstein | !Info firefox > basketball | 21:53 |
| holstein | not sure how to do that one.. | 21:53 |
| holstein | !info firefox | 21:53 |
| ubot2` | 'maverick' is not a valid distribution: | 21:53 |
| ubottu | firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 27.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.13.10.1 (saucy), package size 30055 kB, installed size 61747 kB | 21:53 |
| basketball | i didnt ask to ask | 21:53 |
| holstein | basketball: im suggesting what bot commands are helpful | 21:53 |
| basketball | oh ok thought it was directed at me | 21:54 |
| IdleOne | the secret to being helpful is to not try and do everything. help where you can. | 21:54 |
| holstein | +1 | 21:54 |
| basketball | +1 | 21:54 |
| holstein | pick something you are into.. i started in the #ubuntustudio channel.. i asked a question.. then, 24hours late i asked again.. then 3 days later.. then, i just stayed and helped out there | 21:55 |
| basketball | when was the last op meeting | 22:36 |
| teward | who runs ubot2` ? | 22:36 |
| teward | because they need to change the distribution from "maverick" | 22:37 |
| teward | (old and ancient distribution is evil) | 22:37 |
| Unit193 | ubot2`: info info | 22:37 |
| ubot2` | 'maverick' is not a valid distribution: | 22:37 |
| Unit193 | See? No valid ones at all. :P | 22:37 |
| phunyguy | basketball: you /really/ should learn to read the wiki. :) | 23:50 |
| basketball | ??? | 23:50 |
| phunyguy | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | 23:51 |
| phunyguy | the meetings are in there | 23:51 |
| phunyguy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda | 23:51 |
| phunyguy | "Meetings take place on a weekday in the second or third week of each month at 20:00 UTC (selected date announced monthly) and on the last Sunday of each month at 18:00 UTC " | 23:52 |
| IdleOne | yeah that isn't accurate | 23:52 |
| IdleOne | meeting times have been changed to 3rd Wednesday of the month @ 1800UTC | 23:53 |
| phunyguy | so are we behind a bit? | 23:53 |
| phunyguy | oh so it was close | 23:53 |
| phunyguy | and when did that change? It seems the last meeting I took part in was on a Sunday... lol | 23:55 |
| IdleOne | it changed when the new IRCC was elected | 23:55 |
| IdleOne | it could very well change again now. For now that is the schedule. | 23:55 |
| phunyguy | oh, did we miss last month? | 23:56 |
| IdleOne | we did | 23:57 |
| phunyguy | thought so | 23:57 |
| phunyguy | http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-01-22-18.01.html <--- basketball | 23:57 |
| basketball | phunyguy: i found that 3 hours ago | 23:58 |
| phunyguy | you only asked an hour ago | 23:58 |
| phunyguy | :/ | 23:58 |
| IdleOne | that is what you get for trying to be nice | 23:59 |
| phunyguy | yeah, a second time. | 23:59 |
| basketball | i apreciate your hel[ | 23:59 |
| basketball | help | 23:59 |
| phunyguy | I am starting to get the impression that you don't. | 23:59 |
| IdleOne | admittedly I am not feeling in a very nice mood right now so maybe I'll try being talkative | 23:59 |
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