[15:02] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[15:02] <Laney> last time that one gets used :(
[15:02] <barry> :( - but it has been fun!
[15:03] <Laney> \o/
[15:03] <stgraber> #startmeeting Ubuntu DMB
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 10 15:03:53 2014 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:04] <stgraber> apparently I'm the chair, though I just realized it so give me a minute to actually go look at the agenda :)
[15:04] <tumbleweed> o/
[15:04] <stgraber> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:04] <stgraber> Add Daniel Pocock's upload rights, waiting on reply from Daniel (stgraber).
[15:04] <stgraber> done
[15:05] <stgraber> #topic Confirm election results (Laney)
[15:05] <stgraber> Laney: you're up
[15:05] <Laney> ok
[15:05] <Laney> thanks to all the candidates and outgoing board members :-)
[15:05]  * Laney goes to press the big butan
[15:05] <Laney> Ok, there we go
[15:05] <Laney> prospective new members are micahg, xnox and bdmurray
[15:06] <Laney> congratulations!
[15:06] <tumbleweed> indeed
[15:06] <barry> congrats!
[15:06] <Laney> #vote Confirm the nominations of micahg, xnox and bdmurray to the DMB
[15:06] <Laney> stgraber: do that please
[15:06] <stgraber> #vote Confirm the nominations of micahg, xnox and bdmurray to the DMB
[15:06] <meetingology> Please vote on: Confirm the nominations of micahg, xnox and bdmurray to the DMB
[15:06] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:06] <Laney> +1
[15:06] <barry> +1
[15:06] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:06] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[15:06] <stgraber> +1
[15:06] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:06] <tumbleweed> +1
[15:06] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[15:07] <micahg-work> +1
[15:07] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
[15:07] <stgraber> is that everyone?
[15:07] <Laney> everyone who is here, anyway
[15:07] <micahg-work> wait, should I abstain?
[15:08] <stgraber> good enough
[15:08] <Laney> and it seems to be beyond doubt
[15:08] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:08] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Confirm the nominations of micahg, xnox and bdmurray to the DMB
[15:08] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:08] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:08] <Laney> welcome
[15:08] <stgraber> micahg-work: wouldn't make a difference really ;)
[15:08] <Laney> So the new terms start tomorrow
[15:08] <micahg-work> congrats bdmurray and xnox
[15:08] <Laney> stgraber: can you take an action to add them then?
[15:08] <Laney> or in 8 hours when the current ones expire
[15:09] <stgraber> #action stgraber to add the new DMB members, update the IRC bot, wiki, mailing-list subscriptions, IRC ACLs, ...
[15:09] <meetingology> ACTION: stgraber to add the new DMB members, update the IRC bot, wiki, mailing-list subscriptions, IRC ACLs, ...
[15:09] <Laney> I have been planning to send some kind of update of things we should do and think about
[15:09] <Laney> to start the new term off
[15:09] <Laney> Will try to do it tomorrow, but I'm off the rest of the week after today so we'll see
[15:10] <Laney> anyway, that's that
[15:10]  * xnox yeah, thanks =)
[15:10] <stgraber> Laney: I'll send an e-mail to the list once the new members have been added, the old ones removed, ... feel free to reply to that one
[15:10] <stgraber> #topic Ubuntu Core dev application: Adam Stokes
[15:10] <Laney> ok
[15:10] <stgraber> stokachu: around?
[15:11] <micahg-work> I think he said he'd have trouble making this meeting
[15:11] <stgraber> ah, ok, then we can start with hallyn and see if he shows up later
[15:12] <hallyn> hi
[15:12] <stgraber> #topic Ubuntu Core dev application: Serge Hallyn
[15:12] <stgraber> hallyn: hey there
[15:13] <stgraber> sorry, IRC was a bit laggy here, apparently I'm back :)
[15:14] <stgraber> hallyn: can you introduce yourself, your work and your application please?
[15:14] <hallyn> Sure,
[15:14] <hallyn> I'm a member of the ubuntu server team.  I generally babysit the virt stack - lxc, qemu, libvirt, netcf ,and the like.
[15:14] <hallyn> my application is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergeHallyn/CoreDevApplication
[15:14] <hallyn> I've been generally happy with the package upload rights that I have,
[15:15] <hallyn> but am applying for coredev in the hopes of being more generally helpful.
[15:15] <hallyn> (without always being a burden to someone to sponsor)
[15:17] <barry> hallyn: how's qemu 2.0 looking? :)
[15:17] <hallyn> it's looking good!
[15:17] <hallyn> now we have to hope upstream sticks to its schedule
[15:18]  * barry has been meaning to try it to see if it fixes the crashes with certain builds
[15:18] <hallyn> the new trusty kernel also may fix some crashs fwiw
[15:20] <stgraber> since nobody's asking questions, let's start with the usual ones
[15:20] <tumbleweed> hallyn: so, what are you wanting to maintain in Debian?
[15:20] <stgraber> are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com?
[15:20] <hallyn> stgraber: I am
[15:20] <hallyn> tumbleweed: I currently maintain netcf.  would like to have upload rights for that. want to ITP vimprobable2;
[15:21] <hallyn> would like to help out eventually with shadow, libcap2, lxc,
[15:21] <hallyn> i'm on the maint team for qemu
[15:21] <stgraber> probably get cgmanager into Debian too?
[15:21] <tumbleweed> I would hope DM is only going to be a stepping stone towards DD, then
[15:21] <tumbleweed> :)
[15:21] <hallyn> that too :)
[15:21] <hallyn> tumbleweed: yup
[15:21] <stgraber> (the lack of both cgroup-lite and cgmanager in Debian and the usually broken state of LXC in there is really annoying...)
[15:22] <hallyn> stgraber: that will of course force the systemd+cgmanager issue, but yes.
[15:22] <hallyn> it needs to be addressed anyway :)
[15:22] <stgraber> yep
[15:24] <barry> hallyn: i'm glad to see LP: #1284793.  in the packages you maintain, do you have any other FFes?
[15:24] <hallyn> barry: I don't.  zul has an FFE for libvirt for 1.2.0.
[15:25] <hallyn> (I had an ffe for cgmanger, but it is fix released now)
[15:25] <hallyn> oh wait,
[15:25] <hallyn> there may be one for lxc for stacked apparmor profiles, if the core support goes into kernel int ime
[15:25] <barry> hallyn: k, thanks
[15:26]  * Laney needs to bug you both about lxc /dev/{console,tty*} handling that he noticed breaks user switching today :-)
[15:26] <Laney> about your UDD complaints in the "What I like least" section --- do you see anything that can be done about it?
[15:27] <hallyn> Laney: well on a project by  project basis, simply agreeing on whether to use the bzr tree for staging fixes in advance;
[15:27] <hallyn> i'd personally prefer it if dput refused if the lp tree had changes
[15:27] <Laney> One of the main benefits was having a standard way to work with source package
[15:28] <Laney> but given that there's no engineering happening on UDD it's hard to see any of the wishlist items being addressed
[15:28] <hallyn> right, and right now there are two standard ways (or more)
[15:28] <Laney> or even any of the bugs
[15:28] <hallyn> yeah :(
[15:28] <Laney> so, short of someone free software-ing up a fix, I wonder what can be done
[15:28] <hallyn> for my own side, i may just need to whip up a script that does that checking for me
[15:29] <hallyn> in lxc, i always fear i'll wipe a change by stgraber;  in vmguider, it goes the other way bc i work from lp:vmbuilder, but for isntance xnox had recently made a package-onlychange
[15:29] <Laney> yeah
[15:29] <Laney> the importer certainly used to propose back merge proposals if the archive overwrote something
[15:29] <Laney> I'm not sure if that still works
[15:30] <hallyn> that *would* be neat.
[15:30] <Laney> xnox might know
[15:30] <stgraber> yeah, for LXC I always stage and keep lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/lxc/trusty in sync but the importer is just completely broken, ubuntu:lxc doesn't work and auto-imports don't either...
[15:30] <barry> at least bzr branch ubuntu:foo complains if the source branch is out of date now.  when i see that, i fallback to apt-get source
[15:30] <hallyn> for years, qemu and libvirt would fail to auto-import every time.
[15:31] <barry> (then import the .dsc an viola! a bzr branch)
[15:31] <hallyn> in my ideal world, we could tag a bzr ttree to say "publish this as pkg" :)
[15:31] <Laney> It's a bit sad that we've not gotten over the line with UDD
[15:31] <hallyn> but i know that won't happen at this point
[15:31] <stgraber> barry: sort of, try branching ubuntu:lxc for fun ;)
[15:31] <Laney> ScottK was quite prescient when we started writing the 'packaging guide' a couple of years ago
[15:32] <stgraber> barry: we have a UDD branch, but the ubuntu:lxc alias is broken for whatever reason
[15:32] <Laney> he pushed back on it being as UDD-heavy as it is
[15:32] <barry> stgraber: yay
[15:32] <Laney> but sadly wasn't listened to so it's turned out to be a bit split brained
[15:32] <hallyn> stgraber: oh i thought i was misuing the ubuntu: shortcut :)
[15:33] <stgraber> hallyn: nope, it's just UDD being horribly broken with LXC, you need to use the full path (lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/lxc/trusty)
[15:33] <xnox> Laney: hallyn: since importer doesn't look at "trunk" branches, e.g. lp:vmbuilder, it wouldn't help in the case hallyn mentioned.
[15:33]  * barry cries a little inside
[15:33] <micahg-work> hallyn, I notice that most of your endorsements come from teammates or former teammates, I know that you're engaged with other developers in the community as well, I was wondering if you approached anyone else for testimonials outside of that list (no need to name names) and if you got any other feedback
[15:33] <Laney> I'm asking about the merge-backfeature
[15:33] <hallyn> xnox: yes.
[15:33] <Laney> s/back/back /
[15:33] <Laney> I don't remember seeing that stuff in the queue, but it could just be because nobody pushes to UDD any more
[15:33] <xnox> Laney: it generates some branches still, but i don't think it proposed to merge them any more.
[15:34] <stgraber> micahg-work: he did approach me (we're not on the same team technically) but I sort of forgot to write a testimonial ;)
[15:34] <hallyn> micahg-work: hm, i'd have to look at the list;  there was one, who said he only saw one pkg he had sponsored for me so felt he could only do a personal endorsement
[15:35] <micahg-work> ok, right :), that probably would've preempted by question :)
[15:35] <micahg-work> s/by/my/
[15:35] <stgraber> so btw, I've been working with hallyn a long time, been reviewing quite a lot of his packaging changes (he always asks when unsure), been sponsoring quite a few of his changes and they're usually of great quality. It'd be nice having him be able to touch the rest of the archive (outside of the ubuntuserver package set) especially given his interest in +1 maintenance.
[15:36] <stgraber> ^ there you go :) sorry for being late
[15:36] <micahg-work> wfm
[15:36]  * Laney is all outta Qs
[15:39] <stgraber> #vote Serge Hallyn for Ubuntu Coredev
[15:39] <meetingology> Please vote on: Serge Hallyn for Ubuntu Coredev
[15:39] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:39] <stgraber> +1
[15:39] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:39] <tumbleweed> +1
[15:39] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[15:39] <micahg-work> +1
[15:39] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
[15:39] <Laney> +1
[15:39] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:39] <barry> +1
[15:39] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[15:40] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:40] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Serge Hallyn for Ubuntu Coredev
[15:40] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:40] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:40] <stgraber> hallyn: congrats!
[15:40] <Laney> w00t
[15:40] <hallyn> thanks :)
[15:40] <stgraber> added to ~ubuntu-core-dev
[15:41] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[15:41] <tumbleweed> yeah, one thing
[15:41] <tumbleweed> who wants to take over the membership-monitor cronjob?
[15:41] <tumbleweed> I can give you a tarball of the current state
[15:42] <stgraber> tumbleweed: send it to me, I'll get it running somewhere
[15:42] <tumbleweed> cool
[15:42] <tumbleweed> ah, I see the bzr repo already belongs to be board
[15:43] <Laney> oh god, I really ought to figure out that packageset script
[15:43] <Laney> I re-ran it the other day and it confused me even more by giving mozjs24 to edubuntu
[15:43] <micahg-work> I've been wanting to poke at that for a couple years now
[15:43] <stgraber> blame cjwatson ;)
[15:44] <Laney> :P
[15:45] <stgraber> so before we wrap, I'd just like to say a big thank you to barry and tumbleweed for serving on the DMB for so long (2 years and 2 years and 2 months respectively), all the best!
[15:45]  * cjwatson hides
[15:46] <tumbleweed> thanks, it's been a pleasure
[15:46] <stgraber> and again congratulations to the new members, xnox and bdmurray. And to micahg-work for sticking with us for another term!
[15:46] <barry> stgraber: thanks!  it's been a great experience, thanks largely to the other fantastic members on the board.  congrats to the new members.
[15:46] <Laney> \o/
[15:46] <Laney> thanks chaps
[15:47]  * Laney goes to hassle stgraber and hallyn in another channel
[15:47] <stgraber> :)
[15:48] <stgraber> ok, so I think that's a wrap. It'll take me a while to do all the paperwork (picked the wrong meeting to chair...) but I'll send an e-mail to the private list once it's all done and the announcements to u-d-a as I'm done with the changes.
[15:48] <stgraber> thanks everyone!
[15:48] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 10 15:48:49 2014 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-03-10-15.03.moin.txt
[15:48] <barry> thanks!
[15:49] <micahg-work> thanks stgraber
[16:32] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:32] <tyhicks> hello
[16:32]  * sbeattie waves
[16:33] <jjohansen1> o/
[16:33]  * mdeslaur waits for chrisccoulson
[16:37] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: ready?
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, not quite. feel free to start without me :)
[16:38] <mdeslaur> o
[16:38] <mdeslaur> ok
[16:38] <mdeslaur> I'll wait a few minutes and then will start
[16:41] <mdeslaur> ok. ,starting
[16:41] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting
[16:41] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 10 16:41:23 2014 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:41] <mdeslaur> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:41] <mdeslaur> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:41] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:41] <mdeslaur> This week is UDS! Please take a look at the schedule and subscribe yourselves to anything that looks security relevant
[16:42] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items
[16:42] <mdeslaur> hrm
[16:42] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: did you send oxide and qtwebkit benchmark results to mailing list?
[16:43] <mdeslaur> ok, let's get back to him later
[16:43] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:43] <mdeslaur> I'll go first
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> just need to hit the send button ;)
[16:43] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: oh, cool, so I won't add it as an action then, thanks
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'm done with my other meeting now
[16:43] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:43] <mdeslaur> and, as usual, am going down the CVE list
[16:44] <mdeslaur> it's UDS, so i'll be spending some time attending sessions
[16:44] <mdeslaur> that's it from me
[16:44] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:44] <sbeattie> I'm focused on apparmor again this week
[16:45] <sbeattie> I think the packaging bits on my end are mostly resolved, waiting for sarnold's testing results
[16:45] <sbeattie> I'll be focusing on jjohansen1's ipc patchset this week
[16:46] <sbeattie> and keeping an eye on UDS as well.
[16:46] <sbeattie> That's pretty much it for me.
[16:46] <sbeattie> tyhicks: tag, you're it.
[16:46] <tyhicks> I'm still trying to wrap up dbus and move to apparmor
[16:47] <tyhicks> my dbus-daemon v2 patches are done (along with 3 new patches for a bug fix and a missing feature)
[16:47] <tyhicks> I'm testing them now and will have them submitted this afternoon
[16:47] <tyhicks> then the rest of the week is kdbus and helping out with apparmor work items
[16:48] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen1: you're up
[16:49] <jjohansen1> so I am working on apparmor again this week, there is some more revision to the ipc work to be done, and also work on stacking for lxc
[16:49] <jjohansen1> there are also some open bugs that need tracked down, that I am hoping to get to or delegate this week
[16:50] <jjohansen1> And of course following UDS as well, coordinating with sbeattie, and tyhicks
[16:50]  * sbeattie senses a target on his back
[16:50] <mdeslaur> hehe
[16:50] <jjohansen1> oh and sarnold on the 2.95 snapshot he is prepping
[16:52] <jjohansen1> sbeattie: you mean I have to actually hit, I was hoping this was more like hand grenades and could just lob stuff in your general direction, and get sarnold and tyhicks at the same time
[16:52]  * sarnold falls over
[16:52] <mdeslaur> lol
[16:53]  * mdeslaur loads paintball gun with apparmor bugs
[16:53] <jjohansen1> I think that is it from me, sarnold you are up
[16:53] <sarnold> I'm on triage this week
[16:55] <sarnold> sbeattie, jjohansen1, and i have finally gotten an apparmor package that passes QRT! I haven't done much use-testing with it yet, just simple "oh hey look is does kinda work" runs
[16:55] <sarnold> big thanks to john and steve for fixing the worst of the problems
[16:55] <tyhicks> nice!
[16:56] <tyhicks> sarnold: just to make sure that I didn't miss a memo, this will be versioned as 2.8.95, correct? (jj said 2.95 above)
[16:56] <sarnold> yeah, it's definitely nice to say "it passes our test suite", which feels like a nice minimum to stick with before uploading to trusty. :)
[16:56] <sarnold> tyhicks: right 2.8.95.
[16:56] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:57] <sarnold> so, jjohansen1 sent out another huge patchset that I suspect we'll need for trusty; we should see how the packages do against the tests with those patches integrated
[16:57] <sarnold> there were enough of them that I don't think I can give a realistic review of them all in the time we have available to us, certainly not while still doing triage and MIR audits
[16:58] <sarnold> I skimmed the first patch and it looked familiar and it looked fine, so I hope that trend continues through the other patches
[16:58] <mdeslaur> sarnold: are you making any progress in the MIRs?
[16:58] <sarnold> but there is the chance that one or another of them would introduce something that'd break QRT again
[16:58] <sarnold> mdeslaur: I ACKed thermald last week and filed a CVE request for a minor issue in the codebase..
[16:59] <mdeslaur> cool
[16:59] <sarnold> mdeslaur: so one down N to go :) heh
[16:59] <mdeslaur> (literallty)
[16:59] <sarnold> lol
[17:00] <mdeslaur> sarnold: are you done?
[17:00] <sarnold> mdeslaur: not yet..
[17:01] <sarnold> so, I think I'll give the patches from john a very fast read, probably too fast, but I' really like all those checked into trunk, so we can keep moving forward with the 2.8.95 release
[17:01] <sarnold> I could handle them all as individual patches in debian/patches/series but it'd triple the patches i the package, and I'd really like to avoid that..
[17:02] <sarnold> anyway, I guess that's me done.
[17:02] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: you're up
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> this week, i'm finishing off my network delegate work for oxide (which is what will enable the browser to override the user-agent string for each HTTP request). i was hoping to finish that last week, but hit an issue with my original plan
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> (this is complicated by the fact that it all happens on chrome's IO thread, and code execution in qml can only happen on a single thread)
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> once that's done, I've got another bug i need to get done to unblock olivier with some geolocation work
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> and then I'm going to spend time reviewing merge proposals, which have been neglected a bit for the last couple of weeks
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> i think that's me done
[17:06] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: you had "reimplemented the script messaging API on the renderer side" last week
[17:06] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: is that done, or is it still to do?
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, oh, that's done: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oxide-developers/oxide/oxide.trunk/revision/395
[17:07] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: cool
[17:07] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:07] <mdeslaur> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[17:07] <mdeslaur> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:07] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mc.html
[17:07] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gnucash.html
[17:07] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/filezilla.html
[17:07] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xmonad-contrib.html
[17:07] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mplayer.html
[17:07] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:07] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:09] <mdeslaur> Thanks everyone!
[17:09] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[17:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 10 17:09:25 2014 UTC.
[17:09] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-03-10-16.41.moin.txt
[17:09] <jjohansen1> thanks mdeslaur
[17:10] <sarnold> thanks mdeslaur
[17:10] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: thanks!
[17:12] <tyhicks> thanks!
[20:57] <stokachu> stgraber: sorry was traveling for a sprint today
[20:57] <stokachu> ill make the next one