[00:08] <neuro> guten tag meine herren und damen und roboten, haben sie gegessen eine flughafen?
[00:11] <daftykins> ach ja, naturlich!
[00:11] <neuro> sehr gut
[00:11] <neuro> i'm just reading this: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/bitcoin-exchange/
[00:11] <neuro> what an omnishambles
[00:11] <daftykins> aber nur ein sandwich
[00:12] <neuro> "DER POLIZEI!"
[00:12] <neuro> "Nur einmal"
[00:12] <neuro> "Ha ha ha"
[00:16] <neuro> "Mr. Takagi, I'm really not interested in your computer."
[00:17] <ali1234> neuro: their transaction database was just leaked too
[00:17] <neuro> "But I need the code key, because I am interested in the six hundred and forty million dollars in negotiable bearer bonds that you have locked in your vault."
[00:17] <neuro> "And the computer ... controls the vault."
[00:18] <ali1234> every account balance (but not username or email just an anonymous guid)
[00:18] <neuro> ouch
[00:18] <neuro> so glad i have never bothered with bitcoin
[00:18] <ali1234> and also every transaction ever made, but again, no link to which account, just a (different) account guid
[00:19] <ali1234> oh and also a list of deposits and withdrawals, again, completely anonymized
[00:19] <neuro> but still
[00:20] <ali1234> the data isn't complete either, but i can confirm it is legit
[00:20] <ali1234> there is something more going on here than "lol hackers"
[00:23] <shauno> it does seem that someone's not just trying to plunder it, but completely discredit it
[00:23] <ali1234> yes, i totally agree
[00:26] <ali1234> so far everything seems to have been leaked from the inside
[00:28] <ali1234> or at least that is what someone wants people to think
[00:42] <Hornet> neuro: 12.4 works, mostly
[00:42] <Hornet> stuck at installing grub now, can't find a solution that seems to apply
[00:43] <Hornet> the default attempt at installing on /sda fails and is a fatal error
[00:43] <Hornet> I made a seperate boot partition on a non raid drive, but df -h can't see it
[00:44] <Hornet> doesn't help that the ash shell there pisses around with mount points anyway
[00:44] <Hornet> also for some reason my raid is apparently md/0 not md0
[00:44] <Hornet> which is a bit shit
[00:46] <Hornet> (any insights from the peanut gallery much appreciated)
[02:54] <ali1234> the gox dump also contains a wallet stealer apparently...
[03:26] <mapps> arhj so annoyed lost my phone
[06:45] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:48] <mapps> morning
[06:48] <mapps> has anyone used a firefox phone|
[06:59] <MooDoo> can't say I have mapps
[07:01] <mapps> gutted i lost my phone :( and neither orange nor the police were any use
[07:01] <mapps> i put it in 'lost mode' on icloud findmyiphone and displayed a message 'this iphone is lost..please call #'' but noones called..hoping someone will..but who knows
[07:02] <mapps> i dont get how findmyiphones as useful as they make out..it gives you na vague location it says it could be in 5-100 houses on a street here...police said 'nothing much we can do as we cant search random houses' but to 'monitor' it O_o
[07:03] <MooDoo> :(
[07:03] <mapps> and you cant monitor it anyway..here's another thing right..cancel my contract so the 3g dies right away..dso of course it cant update its location
[07:03] <mapps> lol
[07:39] <Knightwise> morning
[07:40] <mapps> morning
[07:46] <Knightwise> hey mapps :) how are you dude
[07:46] <mapps> im ok..yourself?
[07:46] <mapps> watcjig my favourite show atm
[07:46] <mapps> not judge judy for once;p true detective
[07:48] <Knightwise> haha :)
[07:48] <Knightwise> i'm browsing around looking for a new laptop for my company
[07:48] <mapps> cool
[07:48] <Knightwise> not sure what i need to get
[07:48] <mapps> what spec you looking for
[07:48] <MooDoo> what you planning on doing on the laptop?
[07:48] <Knightwise> will be my main work machine.
[07:49] <Knightwise> i'll be doing  consultancy at clients.
[07:49] <Knightwise> so it will probably need to run some vm's
[07:49] <Knightwise> I took a look at the lenovo yoga 2 pro
[07:50] <Knightwise> I7, 16 gig, 512ssd , 13 inch , high res screen
[07:51] <MooDoo> 13 inch screen?  wow that's small
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> the Ubuntu dev one is good :)
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> it's 13", has an i7 afaik, and loads of ram
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> I run VMs on mine all the time
[07:52] <Knightwise> MartijnVdS: which one is that you are speakin about ?
[07:52] <Knightwise> MooDoo: It has to be portable , I can always hook up an external display
[07:53] <MooDoo> Knightwise: cool
[07:54] <mapps> wow
[07:54] <mapps> 13 inch pfft
[07:54] <mapps> i want bigger :D ive got an nc10 but its not my main machine
[07:54] <MooDoo> mapps: hehe yeah I'm with you on that one :)
[07:54] <mapps> i quite liked the idea of an imac or macbook whatever theyre claled..but the displays are too small!!
[07:54] <mapps> not forking out all that money for a tiny display
[07:54] <Knightwise> Hmmm. Dell Xps13 .. not bad
[07:55] <Knightwise> MartijnVdS: Pricetag ?
[07:55] <mapps> YES
[07:55] <mapps> dell are nice
[07:55] <mapps> :D
[07:55] <mapps> but ..13
[07:55] <mapps> pfft
[07:56] <mapps> dell xps..17 and now youre talking;)
[07:59] <Knightwise> Lugging a 15 around is a drag
[07:59] <MooDoo> Knightwise: it's ok especially in my ogio ubuntu bag, not so hard on the shoulders.
[08:02] <Knightwise> MooDoo: so which one do you have ? The 17 inch Xps ?
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: no idea, $employer paid for mine :)
[08:03] <Knightwise> MartijnVdS: just looking , about 1200 euros ,
[08:03] <Knightwise> not that expensive
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> and you KNOW it'll run Ubuntu fine ;)
[08:05] <MooDoo> Knightwise: no 15' lattitude E6510
[08:10] <Knightwise> MartijnVdS: thats the important part : it just HAS to work fine.
[08:11] <Knightwise> I had my fair share of troubles with my lenovo
[08:12] <Knightwise> hmm. wondering if you can update the ram and the SSD on that one
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: there's a thing on the bottom to access RAM, I think
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: SSD will be harder, but is probably msata or similar
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> [    1.942405] ata1.00: ATA-9: SAMSUNG SSD PM841 mSATA 256GB, DXT43D0Q, max UDMA/133
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> yup, msata :)
[08:14] <Knightwise> hmm.. Says this one comes with a touchscreen and everything http://www.dell.com/be/bedrijven/p/xps-13-linux/pd?refid=xps-13-linux&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=3&~ck=dellSearch&isredir=true
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: it does come with a touch screen, but I never use that bit
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> dirty fingerprints
[08:18] <Knightwise> Me neither.
[08:18] <Knightwise> have a touchscreen on my lenovo twist right now..
[08:18] <Knightwise> never use it.
[08:22] <Knightwise> great thing with this XPS is that the whole ubuntu thing just works.
[08:22] <Knightwise> and if the client wants me to run windows I can just install a VM.
[08:24] <MooDoo> Knightwise: I just multiboot with windows 8.1
[08:29] <Knightwise> MooDoo: not my thing. If your windows os gets bitrot you have to reinstall/reconfigure both.
[08:30] <MooDoo> Knightwise: yeah luckily I don't mind reinstalling, most of my important stuff I back to my nas so it's easily transferrable if it does go awry
[08:32] <DJones> Knightwise: I'd recommend a Lenovo Y510P (i7-4700MQ, 15.6" at 1920*1080, various memory options, dual graphics (intel/nvidia 750M), I got one 2 weeks ago, installed 14.04 + nvidia-prime and everything just worked
[08:34] <DJones> Knightwise: This is the one I got, £799 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Y510p-15-6-inch-Notebook-Processor/dp/B00FSBFBD2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1393588902&sr=8-3&keywords=y510p
[08:38] <Knightwise> DJones: i had seen this one http://www.engadget.com/products/lenovo/yoga/2-pro/
[08:41] <DJones> Knightwise: Although the resolution on those is good, I wanted a 15.6" screen, the other difference I went for was the better processor in the y510p
[08:42] <mapps> Ìû
[08:53] <Knightwise> I'm going for a 13 inch one. If I need a bigger screen I'll just hook up an external display
[08:55] <jussi> morning all
[08:55] <jussi> perhaps I should go down and get breakfast...
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is good - A, what was, $2400 Linux course available (with a certificate if wanted) for free: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
[08:56] <jussi> I swear these full english breakfasts are making me fat...
[09:12] <mapps> hm
[09:13] <mapps> caqnt find a good guide for samba
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> mapps: apt-get install samba; man smb.conf :)
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> mapps: what do you want to know?
[09:13] <mapps> i just want to be able to access my windows share on ubuntu
[09:13] <mapps> and vice versa
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> mapps: Mounting a windows drive on linux is best done with "cifs", package "cifs-utils", dpkg -L for the man pages
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> mapps: samba comes with a lot of docs on how to configure it and what the impact of the options are
[09:15] <mapps> ah ok
[09:15] <mapps> i thought samba was always talked of for window smounts
[09:15] <mapps> so i should look into cifs thanks
[09:16] <dwatkins> it's the same thing, I believe, mapps
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> mapps: "Samba" is a suite of software, but most famous for being the daemon that lets windows machines brows files on your linux machines
[09:17] <dwatkins> "Samba provides CIFS file shares"
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> cifs-utils uses the same protocol, I think even built from the same source, to mount Windows drives on Linux machines
[09:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Day of Awesomeness! :-D
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Day of Awesomeness?
[09:20] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, that's what it says.  I'm not going to argue. ;)
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: awesome :)
[09:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:30] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:33] <mapps> hmm is it possible to edit /etc/motd or /etc/issue.net on ubuntu? I edited /etc/issue.net and uncommented #Banner /etc/issue.net in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but the contents of it arent shown
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> it should be possible
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> did you restart sshd?
[09:33] <mapps> yep
[09:33] <mapps> wonder why it didnt display then
[09:38] <bigcalm> One last push of the date poll for this year's RAT: http://doodle.com/h7qqfhfk5gcp86ts
[09:38] <bigcalm> Though we do have a clear idea of the most popular date
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> ALL the dates :)
[09:39] <Laney> that's the same day as the debian uk bbq!
[09:39] <bigcalm> That's a lot of beerage
[09:39] <bigcalm> Laney: but nobody uses Debian :)
[09:39] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah they do :p
[09:40]  * Laney thinks about that for a bit
[09:40] <bigcalm> La la la, I can't hear you
[09:40] <MooDoo> bigcalm: debian debian ner ner ner ner ner
[09:40] <bigcalm> Okay, everybody uses Debian
[09:41] <MooDoo> bigcalm: just looking #debianuk, that's a support channel I setup and there a huge amoubnt of people there, they are just invisible and being hidden by chanserv ;)
[09:43] <Laney> you're trying to say that nobody uses debian because they aren't in some random channel you made?
[09:43] <MooDoo> Laney: I was just being silly :)
[09:43] <Laney> hmmmmmmmmm
[09:43] <MooDoo> :p
[09:44] <dwatkins> no-one seems to be in #debianuk :'(
[09:45] <MooDoo> dwatkins: I know I was having a giggle, it's something I setup a while ago for a friend who's a debian user
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: sure, "a friend" ;)
[09:45] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: oh don't you start.....
[09:45] <MooDoo> ;)
[09:46] <Laney> it's #debian or #debian-uk on oftc
[09:46] <Laney> #debian also exists on freenode afaik
[09:48] <dwatkins> yep, it's quite popular
[10:12] <diplo> Morning all
[10:13] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[10:17] <diplo> Had a colleague talk to me about her pc on friday, said she had a call from a tech company they use for support but according to that company no one had called them
[10:17] <diplo> But the person had their credit card info
[10:17] <MooDoo> ouch
[10:17] <MooDoo> If a customer manually renews a .co.uk domain here:
[10:17] <MooDoo> https://customer.heartinternet.co.uk/manage/renewals.cgi
[10:17] <MooDoo> And the relevant .uk domain is available we will offer to put a pre-order for the .uk domain into their basket.
[10:17] <MooDoo> If the customer clicks 'No thanks' we should not ask them again for that domain.
[10:17] <MooDoo> If a customer manually renews a .co.uk domain here:
[10:17] <MooDoo> https://customer.heartinternet.co.uk/manage/renewals.cgi
[10:17] <MooDoo> And the relevant .uk domain is available we will offer to put a pre-order for the .uk domain into their basket.
[10:17] <MooDoo> If the customer clicks 'No thanks' we should not ask them again for that domain.
[10:17] <MooDoo> oops
[10:17] <diplo> So I thought, virus or somesthing along those lines but this is the cleanest PC I've seen in years
[10:18] <MooDoo> strange
[10:18] <diplo> Can't think what to look for now :)
[10:18]  * diplo clicks renewals
[10:18] <MooDoo> i'd be worried where the other party got the CC details.
[10:19] <diplo> That's what I was, thought some sort of key logger or something
[10:19] <diplo> But I've found nothing yet!
[10:19] <diplo> Not one virus/malware / anything - clean PC
[10:19] <MooDoo> have they spoken to their bank to see if there is any fraudulent issues?
[10:20] <diplo> They phoned them up and cancelled it straight away, the person who phoned them wanted to charge them £299 renewal or something and they said no and he tried anyway
[10:21] <MooDoo> diplo: format and reinstall, only way to be sure.
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: nuking from orbit would probably work as well :)
[10:23] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: all this windows stuff sounds alien[s] to me ;)
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[10:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:23] <MooDoo> brobostigon: hello there
[10:24] <brobostigon> hello MooDoo
[10:31] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you this morning?
[10:32] <brobostigon> MooDoo: not bad really, a few things on my list for the day, going to wake myself up, then sort them out.
[10:33] <brobostigon> MooDoo: and you?
[10:33] <MooDoo> yeah I'm ok thanks :) daughter up all night coughing so little tired but other than that, I'm ok :D
[10:34] <brobostigon> :)
[10:38]  * popey has two ill family members here
[10:39] <brobostigon> :(
[10:39] <MooDoo> :(
[10:39] <bigcalm> popey: the cats? :(
[10:41]  * AlanBell has an ill child too
[10:41] <MooDoo> my lass kept us up from 12 till about 3am, I get up at 5:30 for work lol
[10:42] <popey> nah, mum and sam
[10:42] <bigcalm> :(
[11:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:00] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 :)
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1g84m0sXpnNCv84GpN2PLZG/the-hitchhiker-s-guide-to-the-galaxy-game-30th-anniversary-edition
[11:07] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[11:07]  * bigcalm squieees
[11:08] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I loved this back in the 90s. Thank you for destroying my day :)
[11:08] <popey> https://rms.sexy/
[11:08] <popey> *blink*
[11:09] <MooDoo> wtf?
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: 8-)
[11:09] <MooDoo> thanks popey I can never unsee that :(
[11:10] <bigcalm> Oh my
[11:10] <bigcalm> !family | popey
[11:10] <bigcalm> !ohmy | popey
[11:10] <MooDoo> lol
[11:10] <popey> oi
[11:11] <MooDoo> that was evil bigcalm
[11:12] <bigcalm> :P
[11:13] <bashrc> an rms fan page?
[11:13] <MooDoo> bashrc: it's a rotating set of images featuring rms
[11:13] <MooDoo> just the domain is rather funny
[11:13] <AlanBell> in alluring poses
[11:14] <MooDoo> ew ew ew
[11:14] <AlanBell> heh
[11:14] <MooDoo> AlanBell: get out now :p
[11:15] <bashrc> nice
[11:16] <AlanBell> you have to wonder what was going through the mind of the person who put time, money and effort into creating that
[11:18] <bigcalm> "For a dead person you are talking too much."
[11:18] <MooDoo> ?
[11:19] <foobarry> testing tomcat sucks. 5+ mins to shut down and start up again at least
[11:21] <foobarry> has anyone seen that film gravity? watched last night
[11:25] <popey> yes
[11:25] <popey> twice
[11:25] <bashrc> was it any good?
[11:25] <popey> i liked it
[11:25] <hoover> yep, saw it a few months ago
[11:25] <foobarry> good for an american film, certainly
[11:26] <hoover> the first 3d movie I ever saw
[11:26] <foobarry> ahh, that makes sense of a few scenes
[11:26] <foobarry> "let's make a film that would look cool in 3d"
[11:26] <MooDoo> but it's sandra bullock in space :(
[11:26] <foobarry> i would prefer different actors
[11:26] <hoover> Indeed, not much to be spotted there ;)
[11:27] <foobarry> george clooney was doing a good impression of buzz lightyear
[11:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: and your point?
[11:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's sandra bullock in space :S  she can't do sci fi, put her back in a bus or strap a gun to her leg, space is not for her lol
[11:34] <hoover> I think she's cute
[11:34] <foobarry> there was a slow undressing from spacesuit scene for those inclined
[11:36] <MooDoo> to order from the ubuntu shop you have to login to launchpad...woah
[11:37] <popey> thats always been the case
[11:37] <MooDoo> popey: yeah never ordered before, just getting myself a t
[11:39] <resu> t
[11:39] <MooDoo> resu: t-shirt
[12:00] <dvrr> how to resolve Tomcat Heap Dump (.hprof file)
[12:02] <MooDoo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/371495/analyze-tomcat-heap-in-detail-on-a-production-system
[12:20] <foobarry> dvrr: you need more google power
[12:28] <Knightwise> hmz. Dell XPS 13 inch laptop looks purdy damn cool.
[12:29] <foobarry> getting a dell laptop for work
[12:29] <foobarry> its not that one though
[12:34] <Knightwise> hmm .. says here that parts like RAM are not exchangable :(
[12:46] <davmor2> Knightwise: I think you can if you are happy soldering :)
[13:03] <daubers> ls
[13:03] <daubers> le sigh
[13:03] <davmor2> daubers: thanks I always assumed that ls stood for list not le sigh :D
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> so that's what that's short for :)
[13:06] <foobarry> *l*ike *s*ausages
[13:08] <foobarry> mmm jaffa cakes
[13:08] <foobarry> woops, just ate half the pack
[14:48] <foobarry> which gtreamer plugin do i need for rhythombox to convert to mp3?
[14:49] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: do you know if there is a problem with the ticketing system? I've just created 2 new tickets and they aren't showing. Yet I'm getting email alerts
[14:49] <MooDoo> foobarry: not sure, but do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed, does that have it included, not sure really
[14:50] <MooDoo> foobarry:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1623214
[14:51] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: they are showing now. That was a concerning few minutes
[14:51] <popey> foobarry: gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 ?
[14:51] <popey> oh, convert _to_ mp3?
[14:51] <popey> didnt know they did encoders.
[14:52] <MooDoo> I think it's plugins-ugly plugins-good plugins-bad-multiverse just see on that link I added
[14:52] <popey> ubuntu-restricted-extras is for decoders, not encoders
[14:54] <MooDoo> ah ok
[14:54] <foobarry> on 12.04?
[14:54] <foobarry> something is broke
[14:55] <foobarry> rhythmbox asks to install a gstreamer plugin but the install button is greyed out
[14:55] <popey> to encode?
[14:55] <foobarry> rip a cd to mp3
[14:56] <popey> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse + lame I expect
[14:56] <MooDoo> did you have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1623214
[14:57] <popey> lame will actually do the gruntwork, called by gstreamer
[14:57] <foobarry> Package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[14:57] <foobarry> E: Package 'gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse' has no installation candidate
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: do you have multiverse enabled?
[14:58] <popey> ah, discontinued package by the look of it
[14:58] <popey> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly + lame will probably be enough then?
[14:58] <foobarry> pretty sure i have those..
[14:59] <foobarry> just checking
[14:59] <popey> yeah, it refers to liblame too
[14:59] <foobarry> have liblame not lame...
[14:59] <popey> yeah, you need lame too IIRC
[14:59] <foobarry> :(
[15:00] <foobarry> still broken
[15:00] <foobarry> http://ubuntuone.com/5JCncQ2WgkHS9D1zMVtvps
[15:02] <foobarry> think i'll find something else
[15:04] <foobarry> sound juicer cooked the mp3s at 32kps..
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: sound-juicer also uses gstreamer.. but you can set the quality. Also, are you sure it's not VBR?
[15:08] <foobarry> even so...32kb?
[15:09] <foobarry> rhythmbox and I have mutual hatred
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: VBR = *variable* bitrate. How are you determining it's 32kbps?
[15:10] <foobarry> nautilus
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: how large is the file, and how long is it (in time)
[15:10] <foobarry> 3MB for regular song
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> sounds like >32kbps
[15:10] <foobarry> yeah
[15:10] <foobarry> just asking clementine
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: try "exiftool file.mp3"
[15:12] <foobarry> clementine thinks 32kb
[15:12] <foobarry> all other songs are 192 ish
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: there's no single bitrate for a VBR song.
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: can you check with exiftool please?
[15:13] <foobarry> exiftool not in repos
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it could very well be that the first frame is silence, which compresses well, so it's the lowest bitrate possible
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: just try it.
[15:14] <foobarry> exiftool not in repos
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: command-not-found will tell you the package.
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: just type on the command line "exiftool file.mp3" - it'll give you an apt-get command
[15:14] <foobarry> go it
[15:14] <foobarry> got
[15:14] <foobarry> it's guitar music, so it wold compress well in fact
[15:15] <foobarry> http://pastebin.com/UiEde9wU
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> hmm no idea
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: which profile did you select in sound-juicer's prefs/
[15:16] <foobarry> mp3
[15:17] <foobarry> no custiomsisation allowed
[15:17] <foobarry> don't worry
[15:17] <foobarry> gonna give up and do it at home
[15:30] <foobarry> http://pastebin.com/i7zdYLXQ
[15:30] <foobarry> asunder did it better, but without id3 lookup
[16:27] <diddledan> oops
[16:27] <diddledan> my dns disappeared over the weekend
[16:28] <diddledan> ho hum, no work-related emails for me ;-)
[16:28] <diddledan> \o/ for being cut off
[16:46] <shauno> :|
[16:47] <shauno> I'm wading through 'soap'(?  appears to be xml that loves the sound of its own voice) because someone wasn't happy that I documented part of a protocol as 'magic'
[16:52] <davmor2> shauno: should of called it "MagicSmoke" then everything would of worked fine ;)
[16:53] <shauno> oh it does work fine.  that's why it's magic.  never documented it because it never broke
[16:54] <shauno> normally I just get to document the stuff that's a little crazy.  like one routine where 25=0
[16:54] <diddledan> speaking of "magic"... AlanBell, when do I get to name my pi?! :-p
[16:55] <diddledan> I want to name it "magic-pixies"
[16:55] <diddledan> then the build log on packages it creates will say something along the lines of "built by magic pixies"
[16:56] <diddledan> there's nothing better than a troll that keeps trolling :-D
[16:57] <shauno> bacon?
[16:57] <diddledan> mmm, bacon
[16:57] <shauno> I made pancakes last night.  turns out I'm not very good at it
[16:57] <diddledan> lol
[16:58] <diddledan> I wouldn't have a clue how to do such a thing
[16:58] <diddledan> egg?
[16:58] <diddledan> milk?
[16:58] <diddledan> flour?
[16:58] <shauno> cup flour, cup milk, one egg
[16:58] <shauno> put in pan, panic until edible, eat before anyone sees how bad it looks
[16:58] <diddledan> lmao
[16:59] <popey> my kids love pancakes
[16:59] <shauno> I used to love helping mum.  from my experiences last night, I'm not sure I was as much help as I thought I was
[16:59] <popey> pan should be quite hot. i use a brush to cover the pan with oil, and a soup ladel to spoon the mixture in
[17:01] <shauno> this is true of many things, actually.  the more I try to look after a theoretically adult me, the more I'm amazed at how mum managed 5 of us
[17:01] <diddledan> I'm assuming ladel-hosen is when you use a spoon and a pipe to repeatedly beat and squirt water on a german?
[17:01] <shauno> dan, I believe that's only legal in berwick
[17:02] <diddledan> I'd be good as a CIA dude
[17:03] <diddledan> wacky punishment > simulating drowning
[17:03] <diddledan> plus it would look better when the videos leak
[17:04] <diddledan> people would be incredulous at the crazyness of it rather than the inhumanity
[17:04] <shauno> I think you talk too much for that to be a valid career choice
[17:16] <diddledan> I'm not sure talking is ever an issue. it's talking about things that people actually believe
[17:16] <diddledan> and if my wacky theory holds then people will think I'm a nutjob instead of a bona fide goverment employee
[17:17] <diddledan> it obviously helps that I am in fact an actual nutjob
[17:22] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: please don't message me about RS stuff >.<
[17:22] <SuperMatt> but no, I don't think so
[17:23] <SuperMatt> I didn't get any alerts
[17:30] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: hehe, sorry. I shall say no more :P
[17:34] <bigcalm> Supernoodles for tea - wooooooooooo
[17:37] <diddledan> bigcalm: living the high-life, eh?
[17:37] <Laney> sounds like the life
[18:34] <daftykins> chap i know spilt water on his laptop today
[18:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1lbtbj9aoqeprgx/IMG-20140310-WA0000.jpg
[18:35] <daftykins> this thing will be hell to work on
[18:36] <diddledan> daftykins: \o/
[18:36] <diddledan> that looks compact
[18:36] <diddledan> it's got an ssd by the looks?
[18:36] <diddledan> and a teeny weeny fan
[18:36] <daftykins> yep
[18:37] <daftykins> core 2 duo sony VAIO TT with a 120GB samsung SSD, 4GB RAM
[18:37] <daftykins> few years on it now
[18:37]  * diddledan sniggers, you said TT
[18:38] <diddledan> first job then, replace that sata ssd with a bigger one :-p
[18:39] <daftykins> nope
[18:39] <diddledan> oh yeah, make it work is probably more important
[18:39] <daftykins> half the keyboard's dead, no viable replacements
[18:39] <daftykins> so new Lenovo ordered already
[18:39] <diddledan> aah
[18:39] <diddledan> it's a doorstop then?
[18:39] <daftykins> this thing's too old to put money into really
[18:39] <daftykins> well i have the lower panel in front of me right now
[18:40] <daftykins> just disconnected that blue plastic pull-tab ribbon
[18:40] <daftykins> i'm tempted to try taking the keyboard apart as much as possible and dry/clean it further
[18:40] <daftykins> probably dead already though
[18:40] <daftykins> he ran it all day and overnight to 'dry it out' ;_;
[18:40]  * diddledan spots the nice man-trays full of man-things (the green boxes top left)
[18:41] <diddledan> yeah, that was probably a bad idea
[18:41] <daftykins> heh yeah his basement 'work room'
[18:41] <daftykins> the rest of the machine is fine, just i don't really have a use for it and neither does he
[19:35] <mapps> hmm why wont my machine boot up automatically
[19:35] <mapps> grub just sits there
[19:37] <jpds> mapps: That's a sign that it failed to shutdown correctly.
[19:38] <mapps> hmm..but i reboot and up comes the grub menu every time and it just sits and waits never ever ever boots up without a key press
[19:38] <mapps> i checked /etc/default/grub and timeout set to 10
[19:41] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: thanks man, you really have no idea how little time I can spend on here now
[19:44] <diddledan> that's an annoying feature tbh
[19:45] <diddledan> if it failed to shut down properly then ofc I want it to stop mid-boot so I have to drive to the datacentre and fix it
[19:45] <ball> diddledan: If it's in a datacentre, doesn't it have LOM?
[19:46] <diddledan> ball: no, my boss is cheap
[19:46] <ball> diddledan: Penny wise and pound foolish?
[19:46] <diddledan> bingo
[19:46] <diddledan> LOM would be awesome
[19:47] <diddledan> but still a manual intervention on an automatic process is annoying
[19:47] <diddledan> it should only stop booting if it can't complete safely
[19:49] <directhex> GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=10
[19:50] <directhex> that value is how many seconds to wait if it thinks boot failed. default is infinite
[19:51] <MooDoo> evening all
[19:52] <ball> Good afternoon MooDoo
[19:52] <MooDoo> :)
[20:47] <mapps> hm
[20:47] <mapps> directhex,  i dont see that anywhere
[20:47] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069800/
[20:50] <directhex> https://thelastmaimou.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/this-grub-does-not-start-in-ubuntu/
[20:51] <mapps> thanks
[20:51] <mapps> added it now lts see
[20:57] <mapps> wrked
[20:57] <mapps> thanks directhex
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: Riddling needs more levels :)
[21:08] <mapps> i disabled root for ssh - figured best idea..no? get loads of people trying to gain access in auth.log to user root
[21:08] <mapps>  and it didnt take affect until i rebooted..even tho i restarted sshd
[21:08]  * DJones wonders why Rambo II is on the Syfy channel
[21:08] <mapps> shouldnt just restarting have been enough
[21:08] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, sorry :) There may be a Riddling 2 at some point...
[21:39] <ball> Happy Monday.
[22:17] <diddledan> mapps: yeah afaiui restarting just ssh should be enough
[22:18] <mapps> yea thats what i thought hmm weird
[22:20] <diddledan> one thing that does annoy me on more recent ubuntu's (server) is the networking service tells you that it doesn't do what you expect anymore
[22:20] <diddledan> when hitting it with the "restart" flag
[22:20] <diddledan> in older ubuntus /etc/init.d/networking restart did just that and everything was great, but now it doesn't?
[22:20] <diddledan> it's not a case of /etc/init.d/networking vs "service networking" either
[22:21] <diddledan> it just flat out tells you that it isn't what you want and that you should reboot instead
[22:22] <diddledan> I don't like server distros insisting that I reboot for everything. I dislike it on desktop, too.
[22:22] <diddledan> eg. on desktop, why should I reboot to apply an X11 fix?!
[22:22] <diddledan> surely just restarting lightdm would be enough, no?
[22:25] <diddledan> one of the reasons I used to love linux was that I didn't have to reboot after every patch. seems ubuntu, and probably other distros are trying very hard to be "just like the redmond os"
[22:25] <mapps> yea
[22:26] <mapps> thats the thing diddledan  i found that
[22:26] <diddledan> to the point of replicating the bad experiences of that redmond os
[22:26] <mapps> if i lose connection i cant restart my networking you HAVE to restart?
[22:26] <mapps> is there no workaround like ifconfig wlan0 down or whatever and forcing it?
[22:26] <mapps> i couldnt see how;/
[23:04] <mapps> hmm
[23:04] <mapps> didnt come back this time