[00:08] guten tag meine herren und damen und roboten, haben sie gegessen eine flughafen? [00:11] ach ja, naturlich! [00:11] sehr gut [00:11] i'm just reading this: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/bitcoin-exchange/ [00:11] what an omnishambles [00:11] aber nur ein sandwich [00:12] "DER POLIZEI!" [00:12] "Nur einmal" [00:12] "Ha ha ha" [00:16] "Mr. Takagi, I'm really not interested in your computer." [00:17] neuro: their transaction database was just leaked too [00:17] "But I need the code key, because I am interested in the six hundred and forty million dollars in negotiable bearer bonds that you have locked in your vault." [00:17] "And the computer ... controls the vault." [00:18] every account balance (but not username or email just an anonymous guid) [00:18] ouch [00:18] so glad i have never bothered with bitcoin [00:18] and also every transaction ever made, but again, no link to which account, just a (different) account guid [00:19] oh and also a list of deposits and withdrawals, again, completely anonymized [00:19] but still [00:20] the data isn't complete either, but i can confirm it is legit [00:20] there is something more going on here than "lol hackers" [00:23] it does seem that someone's not just trying to plunder it, but completely discredit it [00:23] yes, i totally agree [00:26] so far everything seems to have been leaked from the inside [00:28] or at least that is what someone wants people to think === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:42] neuro: 12.4 works, mostly [00:42] stuck at installing grub now, can't find a solution that seems to apply [00:43] the default attempt at installing on /sda fails and is a fatal error [00:43] I made a seperate boot partition on a non raid drive, but df -h can't see it [00:44] doesn't help that the ash shell there pisses around with mount points anyway [00:44] also for some reason my raid is apparently md/0 not md0 [00:44] which is a bit shit [00:46] (any insights from the peanut gallery much appreciated) === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [02:54] the gox dump also contains a wallet stealer apparently... [03:26] arhj so annoyed lost my phone [06:45] morning all [06:48] morning [06:48] has anyone used a firefox phone| [06:59] can't say I have mapps [07:01] gutted i lost my phone :( and neither orange nor the police were any use [07:01] i put it in 'lost mode' on icloud findmyiphone and displayed a message 'this iphone is lost..please call #'' but noones called..hoping someone will..but who knows [07:02] i dont get how findmyiphones as useful as they make out..it gives you na vague location it says it could be in 5-100 houses on a street here...police said 'nothing much we can do as we cant search random houses' but to 'monitor' it O_o [07:03] :( [07:03] and you cant monitor it anyway..here's another thing right..cancel my contract so the 3g dies right away..dso of course it cant update its location [07:03] lol === knightwi1e is now known as Knightwise [07:39] morning [07:40] morning [07:46] hey mapps :) how are you dude [07:46] im ok..yourself? [07:46] watcjig my favourite show atm [07:46] not judge judy for once;p true detective [07:48] haha :) [07:48] i'm browsing around looking for a new laptop for my company [07:48] cool [07:48] not sure what i need to get [07:48] what spec you looking for [07:48] what you planning on doing on the laptop? [07:48] will be my main work machine. [07:49] i'll be doing consultancy at clients. [07:49] so it will probably need to run some vm's [07:49] I took a look at the lenovo yoga 2 pro [07:50] I7, 16 gig, 512ssd , 13 inch , high res screen [07:51] 13 inch screen? wow that's small [07:51] the Ubuntu dev one is good :) [07:52] it's 13", has an i7 afaik, and loads of ram [07:52] I run VMs on mine all the time [07:52] MartijnVdS: which one is that you are speakin about ? [07:52] MooDoo: It has to be portable , I can always hook up an external display [07:53] Knightwise: cool [07:54] wow [07:54] 13 inch pfft [07:54] i want bigger :D ive got an nc10 but its not my main machine [07:54] mapps: hehe yeah I'm with you on that one :) [07:54] i quite liked the idea of an imac or macbook whatever theyre claled..but the displays are too small!! [07:54] not forking out all that money for a tiny display [07:54] Hmmm. Dell Xps13 .. not bad [07:55] MartijnVdS: Pricetag ? [07:55] YES [07:55] dell are nice [07:55] :D [07:55] but ..13 [07:55] pfft [07:56] dell xps..17 and now youre talking;) [07:59] Lugging a 15 around is a drag [07:59] Knightwise: it's ok especially in my ogio ubuntu bag, not so hard on the shoulders. [08:02] MooDoo: so which one do you have ? The 17 inch Xps ? [08:02] Knightwise: no idea, $employer paid for mine :) [08:03] MartijnVdS: just looking , about 1200 euros , [08:03] not that expensive [08:05] and you KNOW it'll run Ubuntu fine ;) [08:05] Knightwise: no 15' lattitude E6510 [08:10] MartijnVdS: thats the important part : it just HAS to work fine. [08:11] I had my fair share of troubles with my lenovo [08:12] hmm. wondering if you can update the ram and the SSD on that one [08:12] Knightwise: there's a thing on the bottom to access RAM, I think [08:13] Knightwise: SSD will be harder, but is probably msata or similar [08:13] [ 1.942405] ata1.00: ATA-9: SAMSUNG SSD PM841 mSATA 256GB, DXT43D0Q, max UDMA/133 [08:13] yup, msata :) [08:14] hmm.. Says this one comes with a touchscreen and everything http://www.dell.com/be/bedrijven/p/xps-13-linux/pd?refid=xps-13-linux&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=3&~ck=dellSearch&isredir=true [08:15] Knightwise: it does come with a touch screen, but I never use that bit [08:15] dirty fingerprints [08:18] Me neither. [08:18] have a touchscreen on my lenovo twist right now.. [08:18] never use it. [08:22] great thing with this XPS is that the whole ubuntu thing just works. [08:22] and if the client wants me to run windows I can just install a VM. [08:24] Knightwise: I just multiboot with windows 8.1 [08:29] MooDoo: not my thing. If your windows os gets bitrot you have to reinstall/reconfigure both. [08:30] Knightwise: yeah luckily I don't mind reinstalling, most of my important stuff I back to my nas so it's easily transferrable if it does go awry [08:32] Knightwise: I'd recommend a Lenovo Y510P (i7-4700MQ, 15.6" at 1920*1080, various memory options, dual graphics (intel/nvidia 750M), I got one 2 weeks ago, installed 14.04 + nvidia-prime and everything just worked [08:34] Knightwise: This is the one I got, £799 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Y510p-15-6-inch-Notebook-Processor/dp/B00FSBFBD2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1393588902&sr=8-3&keywords=y510p [08:38] DJones: i had seen this one http://www.engadget.com/products/lenovo/yoga/2-pro/ [08:41] Knightwise: Although the resolution on those is good, I wanted a 15.6" screen, the other difference I went for was the better processor in the y510p [08:42] Ìû [08:53] I'm going for a 13 inch one. If I need a bigger screen I'll just hook up an external display [08:55] morning all [08:55] perhaps I should go down and get breakfast... [08:56] This is good - A, what was, $2400 Linux course available (with a certificate if wanted) for free: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/ [08:56] I swear these full english breakfasts are making me fat... [09:12] hm [09:13] caqnt find a good guide for samba [09:13] mapps: apt-get install samba; man smb.conf :) [09:13] mapps: what do you want to know? [09:13] i just want to be able to access my windows share on ubuntu [09:13] and vice versa [09:14] mapps: Mounting a windows drive on linux is best done with "cifs", package "cifs-utils", dpkg -L for the man pages [09:14] mapps: samba comes with a lot of docs on how to configure it and what the impact of the options are [09:15] ah ok [09:15] i thought samba was always talked of for window smounts [09:15] so i should look into cifs thanks [09:16] it's the same thing, I believe, mapps [09:17] mapps: "Samba" is a suite of software, but most famous for being the daemon that lets windows machines brows files on your linux machines [09:17] "Samba provides CIFS file shares" [09:17] cifs-utils uses the same protocol, I think even built from the same source, to mount Windows drives on Linux machines [09:19] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Day of Awesomeness! :-D [09:20] JamesTait: Day of Awesomeness? [09:20] MartijnVdS, that's what it says. I'm not going to argue. ;) [09:20] JamesTait: awesome :) [09:29] Good morning peeps :) [09:30] morning bigcalm [09:33] hmm is it possible to edit /etc/motd or /etc/issue.net on ubuntu? I edited /etc/issue.net and uncommented #Banner /etc/issue.net in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but the contents of it arent shown [09:33] it should be possible [09:33] did you restart sshd? [09:33] yep [09:33] wonder why it didnt display then [09:38] One last push of the date poll for this year's RAT: http://doodle.com/h7qqfhfk5gcp86ts [09:38] Though we do have a clear idea of the most popular date [09:39] ALL the dates :) [09:39] that's the same day as the debian uk bbq! [09:39] That's a lot of beerage [09:39] Laney: but nobody uses Debian :) [09:39] bigcalm: yeah they do :p [09:40] * Laney thinks about that for a bit [09:40] La la la, I can't hear you [09:40] bigcalm: debian debian ner ner ner ner ner [09:40] Okay, everybody uses Debian [09:41] bigcalm: just looking #debianuk, that's a support channel I setup and there a huge amoubnt of people there, they are just invisible and being hidden by chanserv ;) [09:43] you're trying to say that nobody uses debian because they aren't in some random channel you made? [09:43] Laney: I was just being silly :) [09:43] hmmmmmmmmm [09:43] :p [09:44] no-one seems to be in #debianuk :'( [09:45] dwatkins: I know I was having a giggle, it's something I setup a while ago for a friend who's a debian user [09:45] MooDoo: sure, "a friend" ;) [09:45] MartijnVdS: oh don't you start..... [09:45] ;) [09:46] it's #debian or #debian-uk on oftc [09:46] #debian also exists on freenode afaik [09:48] yep, it's quite popular [10:12] Morning all [10:13] morning diplo [10:17] Had a colleague talk to me about her pc on friday, said she had a call from a tech company they use for support but according to that company no one had called them [10:17] But the person had their credit card info [10:17] ouch [10:17] If a customer manually renews a .co.uk domain here: [10:17] https://customer.heartinternet.co.uk/manage/renewals.cgi [10:17] And the relevant .uk domain is available we will offer to put a pre-order for the .uk domain into their basket. [10:17] If the customer clicks 'No thanks' we should not ask them again for that domain. [10:17] If a customer manually renews a .co.uk domain here: [10:17] https://customer.heartinternet.co.uk/manage/renewals.cgi [10:17] And the relevant .uk domain is available we will offer to put a pre-order for the .uk domain into their basket. [10:17] If the customer clicks 'No thanks' we should not ask them again for that domain. [10:17] oops [10:17] So I thought, virus or somesthing along those lines but this is the cleanest PC I've seen in years [10:18] strange [10:18] Can't think what to look for now :) [10:18] * diplo clicks renewals [10:18] i'd be worried where the other party got the CC details. [10:19] That's what I was, thought some sort of key logger or something [10:19] But I've found nothing yet! [10:19] Not one virus/malware / anything - clean PC [10:19] have they spoken to their bank to see if there is any fraudulent issues? [10:20] They phoned them up and cancelled it straight away, the person who phoned them wanted to charge them £299 renewal or something and they said no and he tried anyway [10:21] diplo: format and reinstall, only way to be sure. [10:22] MooDoo: nuking from orbit would probably work as well :) [10:23] MartijnVdS: all this windows stuff sounds alien[s] to me ;) [10:23] 8-) [10:23] morning boys and girls. [10:23] brobostigon: hello there [10:24] hello MooDoo [10:31] brobostigon: how are you this morning? [10:32] MooDoo: not bad really, a few things on my list for the day, going to wake myself up, then sort them out. [10:33] MooDoo: and you? [10:33] yeah I'm ok thanks :) daughter up all night coughing so little tired but other than that, I'm ok :D [10:34] :) [10:38] * popey has two ill family members here [10:39] :( [10:39] :( [10:39] popey: the cats? :( [10:41] * AlanBell has an ill child too [10:41] my lass kept us up from 12 till about 3am, I get up at 5:30 for work lol [10:42] nah, mum and sam [10:42] :( [11:00] Morning all [11:00] morning davmor2 :) [11:06] http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1g84m0sXpnNCv84GpN2PLZG/the-hitchhiker-s-guide-to-the-galaxy-game-30th-anniversary-edition [11:07] Morning davmor2 [11:07] * bigcalm squieees [11:08] MartijnVdS: I loved this back in the 90s. Thank you for destroying my day :) [11:08] https://rms.sexy/ [11:08] *blink* [11:09] wtf? [11:09] popey: 8-) [11:09] thanks popey I can never unsee that :( [11:10] Oh my [11:10] !family | popey [11:10] !ohmy | popey [11:10] popey: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [11:10] lol [11:10] oi [11:11] that was evil bigcalm [11:12] :P [11:13] an rms fan page? [11:13] bashrc: it's a rotating set of images featuring rms [11:13] just the domain is rather funny [11:13] in alluring poses [11:14] ew ew ew [11:14] heh [11:14] AlanBell: get out now :p [11:15] nice [11:16] you have to wonder what was going through the mind of the person who put time, money and effort into creating that [11:18] "For a dead person you are talking too much." [11:18] ? [11:19] testing tomcat sucks. 5+ mins to shut down and start up again at least [11:21] has anyone seen that film gravity? watched last night [11:25] yes [11:25] twice [11:25] was it any good? [11:25] i liked it [11:25] yep, saw it a few months ago [11:25] good for an american film, certainly [11:26] the first 3d movie I ever saw [11:26] ahh, that makes sense of a few scenes [11:26] "let's make a film that would look cool in 3d" [11:26] but it's sandra bullock in space :( [11:26] i would prefer different actors [11:26] Indeed, not much to be spotted there ;) [11:27] george clooney was doing a good impression of buzz lightyear [11:32] MooDoo: and your point? [11:32] davmor2: it's sandra bullock in space :S she can't do sci fi, put her back in a bus or strap a gun to her leg, space is not for her lol [11:34] I think she's cute [11:34] there was a slow undressing from spacesuit scene for those inclined [11:36] to order from the ubuntu shop you have to login to launchpad...woah [11:37] thats always been the case [11:37] popey: yeah never ordered before, just getting myself a t [11:39] t [11:39] resu: t-shirt [12:00] how to resolve Tomcat Heap Dump (.hprof file) [12:02] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/371495/analyze-tomcat-heap-in-detail-on-a-production-system [12:20] dvrr: you need more google power [12:28] hmz. Dell XPS 13 inch laptop looks purdy damn cool. [12:29] getting a dell laptop for work [12:29] its not that one though [12:34] hmm .. says here that parts like RAM are not exchangable :( [12:46] Knightwise: I think you can if you are happy soldering :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === resu is now known as irae [13:03] ls [13:03] le sigh [13:03] daubers: thanks I always assumed that ls stood for list not le sigh :D [13:03] so that's what that's short for :) [13:06] *l*ike *s*ausages [13:08] mmm jaffa cakes [13:08] woops, just ate half the pack === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:48] which gtreamer plugin do i need for rhythombox to convert to mp3? [14:49] SuperMatt: do you know if there is a problem with the ticketing system? I've just created 2 new tickets and they aren't showing. Yet I'm getting email alerts [14:49] foobarry: not sure, but do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed, does that have it included, not sure really [14:50] foobarry: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1623214 [14:51] SuperMatt: they are showing now. That was a concerning few minutes [14:51] foobarry: gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 ? [14:51] oh, convert _to_ mp3? [14:51] didnt know they did encoders. [14:52] I think it's plugins-ugly plugins-good plugins-bad-multiverse just see on that link I added [14:52] ubuntu-restricted-extras is for decoders, not encoders [14:54] ah ok [14:54] on 12.04? [14:54] something is broke [14:55] rhythmbox asks to install a gstreamer plugin but the install button is greyed out [14:55] to encode? [14:55] rip a cd to mp3 [14:56] gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse + lame I expect [14:56] did you have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1623214 [14:57] lame will actually do the gruntwork, called by gstreamer [14:57] Package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse is not available, but is referred to by another package. [14:57] E: Package 'gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse' has no installation candidate [14:58] foobarry: do you have multiverse enabled? [14:58] ah, discontinued package by the look of it [14:58] gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly + lame will probably be enough then? [14:58] pretty sure i have those.. [14:59] just checking [14:59] yeah, it refers to liblame too [14:59] have liblame not lame... [14:59] yeah, you need lame too IIRC [14:59] :( [15:00] still broken [15:00] http://ubuntuone.com/5JCncQ2WgkHS9D1zMVtvps [15:02] think i'll find something else [15:04] sound juicer cooked the mp3s at 32kps.. [15:06] foobarry: sound-juicer also uses gstreamer.. but you can set the quality. Also, are you sure it's not VBR? [15:08] even so...32kb? [15:09] rhythmbox and I have mutual hatred [15:09] foobarry: VBR = *variable* bitrate. How are you determining it's 32kbps? [15:10] nautilus [15:10] foobarry: how large is the file, and how long is it (in time) [15:10] 3MB for regular song [15:10] sounds like >32kbps [15:10] yeah [15:10] just asking clementine [15:10] foobarry: try "exiftool file.mp3" [15:12] clementine thinks 32kb [15:12] all other songs are 192 ish [15:13] foobarry: there's no single bitrate for a VBR song. [15:13] foobarry: can you check with exiftool please? [15:13] exiftool not in repos [15:13] foobarry: it could very well be that the first frame is silence, which compresses well, so it's the lowest bitrate possible [15:13] foobarry: just try it. [15:14] exiftool not in repos [15:14] foobarry: command-not-found will tell you the package. [15:14] foobarry: just type on the command line "exiftool file.mp3" - it'll give you an apt-get command [15:14] go it [15:14] got [15:14] it's guitar music, so it wold compress well in fact [15:15] http://pastebin.com/UiEde9wU [15:16] hmm no idea [15:16] foobarry: which profile did you select in sound-juicer's prefs/ [15:16] mp3 [15:17] no custiomsisation allowed [15:17] don't worry [15:17] gonna give up and do it at home [15:30] http://pastebin.com/i7zdYLXQ [15:30] asunder did it better, but without id3 lookup === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === PaulW2U is now known as G4MBY [16:27] oops [16:27] my dns disappeared over the weekend [16:28] ho hum, no work-related emails for me ;-) [16:28] \o/ for being cut off [16:46] :| [16:47] I'm wading through 'soap'(? appears to be xml that loves the sound of its own voice) because someone wasn't happy that I documented part of a protocol as 'magic' [16:52] shauno: should of called it "MagicSmoke" then everything would of worked fine ;) [16:53] oh it does work fine. that's why it's magic. never documented it because it never broke [16:54] normally I just get to document the stuff that's a little crazy. like one routine where 25=0 [16:54] speaking of "magic"... AlanBell, when do I get to name my pi?! :-p [16:55] I want to name it "magic-pixies" [16:55] then the build log on packages it creates will say something along the lines of "built by magic pixies" [16:56] there's nothing better than a troll that keeps trolling :-D [16:57] bacon? [16:57] mmm, bacon [16:57] I made pancakes last night. turns out I'm not very good at it [16:57] lol [16:58] I wouldn't have a clue how to do such a thing [16:58] egg? [16:58] milk? [16:58] flour? [16:58] cup flour, cup milk, one egg [16:58] put in pan, panic until edible, eat before anyone sees how bad it looks [16:58] lmao [16:59] my kids love pancakes [16:59] I used to love helping mum. from my experiences last night, I'm not sure I was as much help as I thought I was [16:59] pan should be quite hot. i use a brush to cover the pan with oil, and a soup ladel to spoon the mixture in === stryx`_ is now known as stryx` [17:01] this is true of many things, actually. the more I try to look after a theoretically adult me, the more I'm amazed at how mum managed 5 of us [17:01] I'm assuming ladel-hosen is when you use a spoon and a pipe to repeatedly beat and squirt water on a german? [17:01] dan, I believe that's only legal in berwick [17:02] I'd be good as a CIA dude [17:03] wacky punishment > simulating drowning [17:03] plus it would look better when the videos leak [17:04] people would be incredulous at the crazyness of it rather than the inhumanity [17:04] I think you talk too much for that to be a valid career choice [17:16] I'm not sure talking is ever an issue. it's talking about things that people actually believe [17:16] and if my wacky theory holds then people will think I'm a nutjob instead of a bona fide goverment employee [17:17] it obviously helps that I am in fact an actual nutjob [17:22] bigcalm: please don't message me about RS stuff >.< [17:22] but no, I don't think so [17:23] I didn't get any alerts [17:30] SuperMatt: hehe, sorry. I shall say no more :P [17:34] Supernoodles for tea - wooooooooooo [17:37] bigcalm: living the high-life, eh? [17:37] sounds like the life === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:34] chap i know spilt water on his laptop today [18:34] https://www.dropbox.com/s/1lbtbj9aoqeprgx/IMG-20140310-WA0000.jpg [18:35] this thing will be hell to work on [18:36] daftykins: \o/ [18:36] that looks compact [18:36] it's got an ssd by the looks? [18:36] and a teeny weeny fan [18:36] yep [18:37] core 2 duo sony VAIO TT with a 120GB samsung SSD, 4GB RAM [18:37] few years on it now [18:37] * diddledan sniggers, you said TT [18:38] first job then, replace that sata ssd with a bigger one :-p [18:39] nope [18:39] oh yeah, make it work is probably more important [18:39] half the keyboard's dead, no viable replacements [18:39] so new Lenovo ordered already [18:39] aah [18:39] it's a doorstop then? [18:39] this thing's too old to put money into really [18:39] well i have the lower panel in front of me right now [18:40] just disconnected that blue plastic pull-tab ribbon [18:40] i'm tempted to try taking the keyboard apart as much as possible and dry/clean it further [18:40] probably dead already though [18:40] he ran it all day and overnight to 'dry it out' ;_; [18:40] * diddledan spots the nice man-trays full of man-things (the green boxes top left) [18:41] yeah, that was probably a bad idea [18:41] heh yeah his basement 'work room' [18:41] the rest of the machine is fine, just i don't really have a use for it and neither does he === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [19:35] hmm why wont my machine boot up automatically [19:35] grub just sits there [19:37] mapps: That's a sign that it failed to shutdown correctly. [19:38] hmm..but i reboot and up comes the grub menu every time and it just sits and waits never ever ever boots up without a key press [19:38] i checked /etc/default/grub and timeout set to 10 [19:41] bigcalm: thanks man, you really have no idea how little time I can spend on here now [19:44] that's an annoying feature tbh [19:45] if it failed to shut down properly then ofc I want it to stop mid-boot so I have to drive to the datacentre and fix it [19:45] diddledan: If it's in a datacentre, doesn't it have LOM? [19:46] ball: no, my boss is cheap [19:46] diddledan: Penny wise and pound foolish? [19:46] bingo [19:46] LOM would be awesome [19:47] but still a manual intervention on an automatic process is annoying [19:47] it should only stop booting if it can't complete safely [19:49] GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=10 [19:50] that value is how many seconds to wait if it thinks boot failed. default is infinite [19:51] evening all [19:52] Good afternoon MooDoo [19:52] :) [20:47] hm [20:47] directhex, i dont see that anywhere [20:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069800/ [20:50] https://thelastmaimou.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/this-grub-does-not-start-in-ubuntu/ [20:51] thanks [20:51] added it now lts see [20:57] wrked [20:57] thanks directhex [21:06] aquarius: Riddling needs more levels :) [21:08] i disabled root for ssh - figured best idea..no? get loads of people trying to gain access in auth.log to user root [21:08] and it didnt take affect until i rebooted..even tho i restarted sshd [21:08] * DJones wonders why Rambo II is on the Syfy channel [21:08] shouldnt just restarting have been enough [21:08] MartijnVdS, sorry :) There may be a Riddling 2 at some point... [21:39] Happy Monday. [22:17] mapps: yeah afaiui restarting just ssh should be enough [22:18] yea thats what i thought hmm weird [22:20] one thing that does annoy me on more recent ubuntu's (server) is the networking service tells you that it doesn't do what you expect anymore [22:20] when hitting it with the "restart" flag [22:20] in older ubuntus /etc/init.d/networking restart did just that and everything was great, but now it doesn't? [22:20] it's not a case of /etc/init.d/networking vs "service networking" either [22:21] it just flat out tells you that it isn't what you want and that you should reboot instead [22:22] I don't like server distros insisting that I reboot for everything. I dislike it on desktop, too. [22:22] eg. on desktop, why should I reboot to apply an X11 fix?! [22:22] surely just restarting lightdm would be enough, no? [22:25] one of the reasons I used to love linux was that I didn't have to reboot after every patch. seems ubuntu, and probably other distros are trying very hard to be "just like the redmond os" [22:25] yea [22:26] thats the thing diddledan i found that [22:26] to the point of replicating the bad experiences of that redmond os [22:26] if i lose connection i cant restart my networking you HAVE to restart? [22:26] is there no workaround like ifconfig wlan0 down or whatever and forcing it? [22:26] i couldnt see how;/ [23:04] hmm [23:04] didnt come back this time === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte