[01:41] <rww> Meeting in 20 minutes, hopefully everyone's clocks are correct :)
[01:44] <nhaines> I'm all set for our 6 o'clock meeting!
[01:48] <Corey> Ooh, where's this?
[01:49] <rww> Corey: online, here :P
[01:53] <nhaines> Corey: there's a two-drink minimum though.
[01:53] <rww> you drink whenever someone creates an action item
[01:54] <rww> most days we finish up sober :|
[01:54] <pleia2> almost home
[01:54] <nhaines> TIL pleia2 IRCs over SSH on the freeway.
[01:54] <Corey> I'm midair at the moment. Maybe I should grab a glass?
[01:54] <nhaines> Corey: remember, it's one for the money and two for the show.
[01:55] <pleia2> on my phone! and i am not driving :)
[01:55] <rww> pleia2: you have phone time on your daily commute? have you heard about our lord and savior Ingress?
[01:56] <rww> oh, wait, you work from home and it's Sunday, never mind my brain
[01:56] <pleia2> hehe
[01:56] <pleia2> was sown in the valley for a workshop
[01:56] <pleia2> down too
[02:01] <pleia2> ok, meeting time!
[02:01] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[02:01] <pleia2> #chair rww
[02:01] <darthrobot`> Current chairs: pleia2 rww
[02:01]  * rww sits on the chair
[02:01] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting? :)
[02:01] <rww> o/
[02:01]  * rww puts Corey's hand up
[02:01] <nhaines> _o/
[02:02] <pleia2> hehe
[02:02] <eps> hi
[02:02] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/14March09
[02:02] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/14March09 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:02] <pleia2> #topic Scale12x wrap-up
[02:03] <pleia2> I didn't really participate in the booth this year aside from bringing things
[02:03] <pleia2> the impression I got was that we were pretty well stocked stuff-wise
[02:03] <pleia2> next year I'll bring the 2nd tablecloth, just in case :)
[02:03] <rww> I think we did pretty well. I liked the corner booth layout a lot.
[02:04] <Corey> Yes, I'm here.
[02:04] <nhaines> A second tablecloth could have been handy but we did have a nice orange one for the main table.  :)
[02:04] <rww> Lots of talking to people, the Ubuntu for Phones stuff went down well
[02:04] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/sets/72157641493306483/
[02:04] <darthrobot`> Title: [SCaLE12x - a set on Flickr]
[02:04] <Corey> One comment on scale12 booth: most vendors were seriously out of stock after the first two hours of the exhibithall being open. How did Ubuntu avoid that?
[02:04] <rww> Computers probably should be changed next year, they didn't get a lot of attention other than for looking for stuff on the internet
[02:04] <rww> Corey: rationing
[02:04] <nhaines> Corner booths are the best.  Dropping the rail and inviting people into our space worked great.
[02:04] <pleia2> rww: yeah, the corner table was great
[02:04] <Corey> Was the swag rationed?
[02:04] <nhaines> Corey: we hid our swag.
[02:05] <Corey> That may be worth writing down as a good "todo" for the next conference we have a presence at.
[02:05] <nhaines> Corey: mainly we had 12.04 LTS CDs, so we just gave them out whenever someone asked for them.
[02:05] <Corey> nhaines: Even the Gentoo guys ran out and had to burn more after the first few hours.
[02:05] <nhaines> And same with lanyards.  When someone stopped to chat for a bit we offered them, sort of throughout the day.
[02:05] <rww> thankfully we'll (presumably) have 14.04 next year, which will be a bit more up-to-date
[02:05] <nhaines> Corey: sudo apt-get install gentoo
[02:05] <rww> nhaines: you joke, but I install Gentoo using an Ubuntu LiveCD usually
[02:05] <Corey> Ahh, the lanyards weren't "grab one," but rather offered to people who were "qualified."
[02:06] <eps> We ran out of candy at the end of the first day. (We started with a one-day supply and didn't restock.)
[02:06] <Corey> You joke, but I don't install Gentoo because I have a job to do. :-)
[02:06] <pleia2> hah
[02:06] <nhaines> Corey: yes, and "qualified" was either "kid looking cute" or "demonstrated actual interest in booth topic"
[02:07] <rww> I think having burned CDs of up-to-date version and derivatives might be useful
[02:07] <nhaines> Same for pins, stickers, etc.
[02:07] <ianorlin> I agree
[02:07] <rww> more swag is good, and there were some people who asked
[02:07] <pleia2> rww: was there a lot of interest in the flavors?
[02:07] <nhaines> We used to do lots of burning on-demand, but we weren't set up very optimally for that this year.
[02:07] <pleia2> I spoke with jcastro (works for Canonical on juju) and he was surprised we got to little, hoping to work his contacts next year because he's familiar with + likes the conference
[02:07] <rww> pleia2: amongst the people not talking about phones to us, yes
[02:08] <pleia2> nice :)
[02:08] <rww> pleia2: and the GNOME folks asked if we had Ubuntu GNOME CDs to hand out, which we didn't ;(
[02:08]  * ianorlin was one of the nonphone people
[02:08] <pleia2> rww: aw, yeah
[02:08] <pleia2> any issues with the booth we should talk about to get straightened out for next year?
[02:08] <rww> nhaines: yeah. I guess maybe in the corner, where my larger monitor was?
[02:08] <nhaines> That will be a huge marketing opportunity next year if Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 earns an LTS.
[02:08] <rww> nhaines: indeed
[02:09] <nhaines> rww: that and George's laptop.
[02:09] <rww> *nod*
[02:09] <rww> but yeah, things to improve...
[02:09] <nhaines> I have two more really positive things about the booth!
[02:09] <pleia2> oh good
[02:09] <nhaines> Canonical sent two Nexus 4 phones, and they were a big hit!
[02:09] <pleia2> that's pretty awesome
[02:10] <nhaines> Last year I happened to show up with a Galaxy Nexus running the MWC demo, and my throat was raw for a week.
[02:10] <rww> there was a lot of mess underneath and behind the tables this time. I'd like it if we could put backpacks/swag/etc. somewhere else. There were a few times I had to go rummaging around to find something, and we intruded on the booth behind us a couple of times
[02:10] <pleia2> nhaines: haha
[02:10] <nhaines> This year we were able to quick-train everyone on the phones and I had a Nexus 5, José had his Nexus 4, and it was just barely enough to satisfy interest.  :)
[02:10] <pleia2> rww: I know there was a lot of extra stuff I sent along too, we might do a better job of parring that down to only what we really want
[02:11] <nhaines> Whoever organized that did a fantastic job.  Next year we'll harrass Canonical for Meizu phones.  :)
[02:11] <rww> I think some crosstraining on Friday for booth volunteers would be good, too.
[02:11] <Corey> Snark aside, it may be good to have a pre-conference training session next year, depending.
[02:11] <eps> +1
[02:11] <pleia2> great minds
[02:11] <nhaines> Canonical also sent a human being, jose, and he was a super help.
[02:12] <rww> We got up to speed pretty quickly on the phone stuff, but I'd have preferred to know ahead of time more about it.
[02:12] <Corey> Bah, my latency midair means rww wins.
[02:12] <rww> hehe
[02:12] <pleia2> nhaines: well, he was funded by community funds :)
[02:12] <pleia2> of which canonical is the caretaker of
[02:12] <Corey> Jose was human?
[02:13] <nhaines> José was a big surprise to me, and a super hard worker.
[02:13] <rww> sorry, I should have made a list ahead of time, I keep remembering stuff I meant to say here...
[02:13] <pleia2> jose applied through this: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/ (which we should keep in mind for our team for things like tshirts)
[02:13] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu Community | Ubuntu donations funding]
[02:13] <rww> booth volunteer schedules
[02:13] <nhaines> Even when he was asked to keep an eye on the System76 booth for 15 minutes, they came back to find him running the booth for them.  :D
[02:13] <rww> we used to do them, i think we should start doing them again
[02:13] <pleia2> that funding is also how we got the 2nd loco banner and tablecloth
[02:13] <ianorlin> Jose was awesome
[02:13] <nhaines> rww: I agree.  It was really chaotic and I think really hindered things.
[02:14] <nhaines> Okay, things that needed improving time?
[02:14] <pleia2> yeah
[02:14] <pleia2> so, I have:
[02:14] <pleia2> training on friday
[02:14] <pleia2> volunteer schedules
[02:14] <pleia2> not so much stuff under the tables (or better organization)
[02:14] <nhaines> The phones should have been updated overnight.  There were fantastic enhancements (like Enter and Backspace working in Terminal) and we had two of them.
[02:15] <jose> o/
[02:15] <jose> phones were updated during the first day of exhibition
[02:15] <nhaines> I think under the tables is good for stuff, but we need to be much more organized about it.
[02:15] <rww> ^
[02:15] <jose> looks like the changed landed in -proposed, but not -devel
[02:15] <rww> and keep it out of sight
[02:15] <ianorlin> yeah don't want someone taking it
[02:15] <rww> If we're going to have computers, I think one large one running Unity and burning, and smaller ones running maybe the current devel release and a flavor would be nice
[02:15] <nhaines> jose: Sunday morning was when the fun stuff hit.  Should've been tested though.  :)
[02:16] <rww> I was thinking of doing virtualbox with kubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu/etc. on one computer, but didn't get around to it
[02:16] <nhaines> rww: we were trying to get trusty running, but the donated system had one of the famous four bad Intel chipsets.
[02:16]  * rww nods
[02:16] <pleia2> nhaines: doh
[02:16] <Corey> Hmm. I have to counter the idea of "updating in the night"
[02:16] <nhaines> Corey: only because we had two devices.  Test on one, update the other if the first doesn't catch on fire.
[02:16] <Corey> The idea is that you want to have a known-state demo device at these things. If the update goes a bit nutty, you're down a device.
[02:16] <nhaines> Corey: yes, but they're very easily rest to known-good.
[02:16] <Corey> Is the ecosystem really evolving so quickly that a nightly build is the best thing to demo to newcomers?
[02:17] <nhaines> Corey: yeah, because of the Terminal bug, I think it was justified.
[02:17] <rww> ubuntu for phones is, I think. hopefully not next year.
[02:17] <nhaines> Yup, next year we'll have stable releases.
[02:18] <nhaines> Okay, so one big problem with the scheduling was that the booth volunteeres didn't really have a sense of schedule.
[02:18] <nhaines> Because there wasn't one.
[02:18] <nhaines> This led to quite a few logistical issues that I'm going to get into detail on.
[02:19] <nhaines> First of all, "show up at 8 to set up the booth" is a really bad idea.  The floor opened to exhibitors at noon on Friday, and that's when George Mulak and I were carrying our stuff to the booth and pushing tables around.
[02:19] <pleia2> 8AM?
[02:19] <nhaines> yeah, 8am Saturday.
[02:19] <pleia2> yeah, night before is much better, we did that last year
[02:20] <ianorlin> the booth was open on Friday?
[02:20] <pleia2> ianorlin: only to folks setting up
[02:20] <ianorlin> ah
[02:20] <pleia2> you needed an expo badge to get in :)
[02:20] <nhaines> So we did what we could, dropped out supplies, and had to come back.
[02:20] <pleia2> er, exhibitor
[02:20] <nhaines> The other problem was that there didn't seem to be any organization to the booth.
[02:21] <nhaines> I mean this in regards to plans about layout, materials that would be there, key topics to discuss, any kind of volunteer list, etc.
[02:22] <nhaines> I caught on to this and showed up ready to do as much heavy-lifting as possible, and I'm glad I did because at 8am nothing was ready.
[02:22] <pleia2> we did have a volunteer list on the wiki with vague committmentments-timewise (like, which day)
[02:22] <rww> pleia2: yeah, I'm thinking more of something with 1 to 2 hour increments, so I know who's going to be at the booth and when I can go see speakers
[02:22] <pleia2> the wiki also had a materials list, but I don't think it was updated to list all the computers
[02:22] <pleia2> rww: yeah
[02:23] <pleia2> key talking points would be great
[02:23] <nhaines> I tried to do a quick rundown of some phone facts for everyone, but it was difficult since I didn't know who was there to volunteer and who was just helping set up (thanks to everyone who did both, btw).
[02:24] <ianorlin> if we do dvds cd of new realse how will we keep them organized?
[02:24] <rww> sharpie the versions onto them and make piles
[02:24] <nhaines> Phil didn't show up until about 8:30 or so, I believe, and by that time we were pretty much organized and just in implementation mode.
[02:24] <pleia2> nhaines: thanks for doing that :)
[02:24] <nhaines> rww: +!
[02:25] <nhaines> pleia2: you're welcome.  I spent the three days before SCALE digesting any piece of phone/tablet news I could.  :)
[02:25] <pleia2> yeah, if you say "meet at 8AM" showing up at 8AM is an important thing as a leader
[02:25] <nhaines> Just before 10, Eric Stoltz showed up and was really furious that we'd decided not to use the candy he'd donated.
[02:26] <nhaines> But in real life, we had no idea there was candy because Phil was around for about 15 minutes and then disappeared again.
[02:26] <pleia2> scott :) eps
[02:26] <pleia2> eps brought the candy, I brought the dishes
[02:26] <eps>  The candy was there on Friday
[02:26] <nhaines> Was it Scott?  Oh, fantastic.  :)  Yeah, well, blame that on the big blur that is SCALE.  I took notes to be able to remember anything.
[02:27] <pleia2> nhaines: er, eric scott
[02:27] <pleia2> hehe
[02:27] <nhaines> pleia2: yes, so noted.  :)
[02:27] <nhaines> eps: the candy was perfect--individually wrapped, pleasant and not disgusting.  And I actually gave an empty bag to a guest who was concerned that he wanted to buy more.
[02:28] <eps> That stuff's not cheap, and you can't save it to use next year.
[02:28] <nhaines> eps: definitely not a problem at SCALE.  :)
[02:28]  * pleia2 nods
[02:28] <pleia2> hehe
[02:28] <nhaines> But yeah, we didn't see it, so I'm really glad you showed up and mentioned it, because we had the candy dishes ready.
[02:29] <nhaines> Some people don't like using kidney dishes for candy dispensers no matter how cute the CoF logo we make is!  To that, I say we should use brown and yellow M&M candies in them.
[02:29] <rww> lol
[02:29] <pleia2> lol
[02:30] <nhaines> Anyone who doesn't turn green from the idea of kidney dishes and that color of candies usually turns green from the idea of 2000 booth attendees reaching into a shared candy bowl.
[02:30] <nhaines> Another really serious thing happened.  We had these fantastic, no-longer-produced, expensive developer phones from Canonical.
[02:30] <eps> There is an orange scoop along with the candy dishes. We may want more of them.
[02:31] <nhaines> And a Canonical employee mentioned to me on Sunday before the show started that he happened to visit the Ubuntu booth and there were no volunteers but the phones were just laying on the table.
[02:32] <ianorlin> that is not good
[02:32] <nhaines> No one admitted to walking away and leaving the booth unattended, and as best as I could determine, if this theoretically happened, it wouldn't have been for more than 3-5 minutes and our neighboring booth would have kept an eye on the booth during that time.
[02:32] <pleia2> :(
[02:32] <nhaines> Now, we made great friends with our neighbors and watched their booth for half an hour, and they certainly would have kept an eye out.  But their awesome booth was also very busy and there's no way anyone could have stopped a phone from walking iff.
[02:33] <nhaines> s/iff/off/
[02:33] <pleia2> that's bad, we're the first loco team to have these loaned to us, we really should have made sure to be really diligent about that because our behavior may determine what they give to others
[02:33] <nhaines> Thankfully, it was *SCALE*, so of course they didn't walk off.  But it was a very real possibility, and the phones should have been secured.  This is extremely important and we're going to want to make sure that everyone knows the proper procedure for this kind of thing.
[02:34] <pleia2> yeah
[02:34] <nhaines> Now I talked to Jono about it and he was aware of the issue, he wasn't so concerned about making it a problem but wanted to make sure it didn't happen on Sunday, too.  And I reported back to him the week after with my findings.
[02:34] <rww> Volunteer scheduling would have mitigated that to an extent. I (and some others) also made sure I let whoever was around know before I left the booth how long I'd be gone, so we tried to informally make sure it was staffed but evidently that broke down.
[02:35]  * pleia2 nods
[02:35] <nhaines> I did the same thing--never left without letting everyone know and tried to estimate my return time.  So I was really surprised.
[02:35] <pleia2> I think in general by having a plan we can impress upon volunteers how important it is to may sure things are tended
[02:35] <pleia2> talking points, rules, and here's the schedule
[02:35] <ianorlin> where should this plan be so people don't forget when their shifts are?
[02:35] <rww> ianorlin: wiki
[02:36]  * ianorlin thinks that is a good idea
[02:36] <rww> and people who say that they're going to staff the booth and show up to staff the booth need to not then wander off
[02:36] <nhaines> I agree.  And these are very easy to set up ahead of time plus they're very reusable.
[02:36] <rww> unless the other booth people know where they're going and how long they'll be, and we're covered for the duration
[02:36] <rww> ianorlin: and printed out the day of the event on paper
[02:37] <nhaines> Okay, so apparently the booth was unattended for 5 seconds and that's when Canonical showed up.  If *I* were Canonical, I'd have pocketed the phones and (maybe) returned them later.
[02:37] <nhaines> I think everyone agrees how grave that is, and I think we'll be able to ensure it doesn't happen again in the future.
[02:37] <pleia2> yep
[02:38] <pleia2> ok, anything else?
[02:38] <nhaines> I think those are the big takeaways for the booth itself.
[02:38] <nhaines> I do want to mention one nice thing about showing up and "taking charge" of the booth.
[02:38] <pleia2> does someone want to put these key points together in an email to the list that we can reference next year?
[02:39] <rww> i will
[02:39] <pleia2> thanks rww :)
[02:39] <nhaines> This mostly consisted of me saying to do things, and then our fantastic volunteers, rww, jose, George Mulak, Matt Mootz, and potentionally one or two other people... basically did what I said, or had really great suggestions that were even better ideas.
[02:40] <pleia2> \o/
[02:40] <nhaines> So I found that the volunteer team was really spectacular, easy to get along with, and was just generally awesome.  Everything I heard from others was that the booth was great.
[02:40] <pleia2> yeah, I heard good things about the booth too
[02:41] <rww> pleia2: I'll stick an abridged copy on the SCaLE page too so we can get to it without grepping the mailing list
[02:41] <pleia2> rww: thumbs up
[02:42] <nhaines> I have a post-SCALE thing but that's about all I have for SCALE itself.
[02:42] <pleia2> 14.04 Release planning is next up on the agenda, do you have something before that?
[02:43] <nhaines> Yeah, might as well.
[02:43] <nhaines> So we had these cool Ubuntu Cloud shirts we didn't know what to do with.
[02:43] <pleia2> oh, did they come in the conference pack?
[02:43] <nhaines> I'm not sure.  I think Jorge Castro had a few extra and he likes to pass them along.  There were only 4.
[02:44] <nhaines> So José had the idea for a raffle.  We gathered email addresses and awarded out the shirts.
[02:44] <pleia2> cool
[02:44] <pleia2> oh, I guess that means they need to get to somewhere now?
[02:44] <nhaines> Now I have a list of email addresses, and if I were organized I would know how many but I'm sure Unity smart search will help me find my list later.  :P
[02:45] <pleia2> so in the past we said "we'll have a raffle at $time, come back to participate"
[02:45] <pleia2> so no need to follow up after, gave stuff out then
[02:45] <nhaines> Well, we didn't really talk about what we were going to use them for, but I think it's fair to assume that they could expect an email, since all but one gave their email (and I Googled that address anyway, so there.)
[02:45] <rww> pleia2: I think we gave them out. nhaines wants to spam^Wfollow up with people.
[02:45] <pleia2> oh, I see :)
[02:45] <nhaines> I've drafted up the following email: http://pastebin.com/H2Vm6StQ
[02:45] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu post-SCALE12X email - Pastebin.com]
[02:46] <nhaines> And unless there are any suggestions I'd like to send it out in an hour or two and then let that be what we do with the emails.
[02:46] <pleia2> lgtm
[02:46] <rww> perhaps not to the person who didn't provide their email. that's slightly creepy :P
[02:46] <nhaines> I'll send it to the ML but BCC all the attendees, so we have a record too.
[02:47] <nhaines> rww: but it'd be sooo much fun!
[02:47] <rww> maybe reiterate at the bottom that they're only getting one email?
[02:47] <rww> apart from that, lgtm
[02:47]  * ianorlin agrees on only one email
[02:47] <nhaines> rww: I put it toward the top, but bottom is good too.  I'll do that.
[02:48] <nhaines> Anyway, I'll be around in-channel after the meeting, so we can discuss it further there, since no one seems opposed in principle.
[02:48] <pleia2> thanks nhaines
[02:49] <nhaines> Okay, that's all from me.  :)
[02:49] <pleia2> ok
[02:49] <pleia2> #topic 14.04 Release planning
[02:49] <nhaines> Aww I forgot to do the fancy topic thing for my thing.  :)
[02:50] <rww> i just had a random idea
[02:50] <rww> put up a poll thing on the ML and in here with regions of CA on it, asking where people would think about attending a release party
[02:50] <rww> then plan release parties around that instead of just where people feel like doing them
[02:50] <pleia2> so there had been some discussion about something other than just a party, like an installfest or something bigger at a SF company who might sponsor something
[02:51] <rww> anonymous ofc, so people don't feel pressured to attend
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[02:51] <rww> pleia2: ooo, we haven't done an installfest in ages
[02:51] <pleia2> rww: sounds good, want to set it up? :)
[02:51] <pleia2> yeah, we haven't
[02:51] <pleia2> I think the last one was for 10.04
[02:51] <eps> Tell me more about those four bad Intel chips... :-(
[02:51] <rww> sure. suggestions for free software / open source poll sites to my PM window, plz
[02:51] <pleia2> that was over at noisebridge, which is a bit dirty (some folks felt uncomfortable) and we did it during a street festival (doh)
[02:52] <pleia2> I'll gather up my notes from a couple months ago about potential companies and send an email to the list about an installfest
[02:52] <rww> I could get something at work, but that's probably too far north for the SF Bay people
[02:52] <nhaines> OCLUG is planning an instalfest in May and has agreed to feature Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.  This will take place in Orange, California at Cal State Fullerton.
[02:52] <pleia2> nhaines: nice!
[02:53] <rww> nice, that mitigates the "we should do two" i was thinking
[02:53] <ianorlin> that is a little far for me but I might be able to go
[02:53] <nhaines> We did a trial run in December, and we ended up with a lot of faculty support, so we're expecting it to be big.
[02:53] <rww> nhaines: do they need volunteers?
[02:53] <pleia2> sfsu might have space too, sameer verma is a bit open source supporter and user
[02:53] <nhaines> That's partly where the new name badges featured in this article came from: http://www.nhaines.com/blog/2014/02/27/showing-ubuntu-pride/
[02:53] <darthrobot`> Title: [Showing Ubuntu Pride | Nathan Haines]
[02:54] <pleia2> s/bit/big
[02:54] <nhaines> rww: yes, the LUG members are nice but not experienced installfest-ers.
[02:54] <nhaines> So I'm preparing to do a major update to my "Ubuntu and You" presentation that showcases 14.04.
[02:54] <rww> nhaines: advertising it on ubuntu-us-ca@ and maybe Planet might help, then :)
[02:55] <nhaines> And I'll try to get that published afterwards, but it probably won't be ready until May.
[02:55] <rww> i know it's not a LoCo thing, but I don't think anyone would mind
[02:55] <pleia2> it's an Ubuntu thing that happens in California, it's fair :)
[02:55] <rww> since we so rarely have decent-sized installfests in .us.ca these days
[02:55] <ianorlin> I haven't done an installfest before though
[02:55] <nhaines> rww: we're just getting ready to ramp up preparation for it (there's no hard date yet), so once that gets locked down I'll start advertising.  :)
[02:55] <rww> woot
[02:56] <nhaines> ianorlin: want to learn how?  They're really fun.  Come along and we'll teach you.  :)
[02:56] <pleia2> ianorlin: that's ok, we have a few veterans here who just need volunteers :)
[02:56] <nhaines> ianorlin: this is also how we run our expo booths.  :P
[02:56] <pleia2> yeah, none of us really knew how to do anything when we started
[02:56] <pleia2> hehe
[02:56] <ianorlin> I have done lots of installs
[02:57] <nhaines> pleia2: funny, it's also how I became an adult, too.
[02:57] <pleia2> mostly it's figuring out hardware gotchas and getting people past other glitches in installs
[02:57] <pleia2> nhaines: and yet no one ever tells you that
[02:57]  * nhaines turns 18.  "Well... guess I'm... an adult now."
[02:57] <rww> you're an adult? i was cleaning the toilet this afternoon and was thinking i should start feeling like an adult soon
[02:57] <nhaines> rww: it comes and goes in waves.
[02:57] <pleia2> at least nhaines wears grown up clothes
[02:58] <pleia2> anyway!
[02:58] <nhaines> pleia2: only when I don't want people to recognize me.
[02:58] <pleia2> I think that's all I have now for 14.04, but we do need to get this rolling soon
[02:58] <rww> anyways, yay socal
[02:58] <rww> and pleia2's going to sort out norcal
[02:58] <pleia2> I'll send a note to the list to get ideas going, hopefully
[02:58] <rww> do we want parties as well, or just an installfest with cake?
[02:58] <pleia2> would be nice to do another party in SF
[02:59] <pleia2> but someone else should organize that and convince jono to come
[02:59] <nhaines> I'm considering expanding my "Advocacy for Advocates" UPSCALE talk from a couple years ago, and that's a good reminder on how to act when sharing Free Software with others, and I might give the presentation at the April OCLUG meeting.
[02:59] <rww> someone should convince jono to organize it :D
[02:59] <pleia2> rww: he has an interesting definition of organizing :)
[02:59] <rww> ah, good point
[02:59] <nhaines> So I'll make that available if it looks like it might be helpful as far as installfest training goes.  :)
[03:00] <pleia2> yay
[03:00] <pleia2> alright, hour long meeting, phew
[03:00] <pleia2> time to find some dinner :)
[03:00] <nhaines> Just like the good ol' days.  :)
[03:00] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[03:00] <pleia2> for good measure, anything else?
[03:01] <nhaines> Yes.  I'm really impressed with the community this year at SCALE, and I'm rejoining the team.  I'm looking foward to getting California active again.  :)
[03:01] <eps> Ubuntu Hours?
[03:01] <rww> unfortunately for nhaines, Launchpad will reflect his original sign-up date Way Back In The Day when he rejoins, thus erasing the evidence of his discontent :P
[03:02] <nhaines> We live in a world of mystery.
[03:02] <pleia2> so SF Ubuntu Hour this wednesday http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2733-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
[03:02] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:02] <pleia2> one in Berkely on the 20th: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2686-ubuntu-hour-berkeley/
[03:02] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu Hour Berkeley | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:02] <pleia2> nhaines: yay, welcome back! :D
[03:02] <rww> who hosts the berkeley ones? michael paoli?
[03:03] <nhaines> I have some external Ubuntu community work still in the queue, but I want to start making great resources to help anyone plan, organize, and execute their own events.
[03:03] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks!  :D
[03:03] <pleia2> rww: yeah
[03:03] <nhaines> So there might be an Ubuntu Hour package with pointers.  And maybe a Conference package.  Some art assets, some checklists, etc.  So that'll be something the LoCo can help with and then we can get it on SpreadUbuntu or such. :)
[03:03] <nhaines> Coming This Summer.  :P
[03:04] <pleia2> nhaines: like an advocacy kit? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Advocacy%20Kit%20(UAK)
[03:04]  * pleia2 would love that to be a real thing
[03:04] <pleia2> it's pretty... sparse
[03:04] <rww> it has a picture of jono playing guitar, which is all it really needs
[03:05] <nhaines> pleia2: yeah.  That's because it's all compiled from RestructuredText.  But I made dholbach merge my name badges, so that's a start.  :)
[03:05] <pleia2> \o/
[03:05] <pleia2> rww: haha, sigh
[03:06] <nhaines> Anyway, we'll make something awesome that *we* can use.  And from there we'll get it out to where others can.
[03:06] <pleia2> ok, let's wrap up then
[03:06] <pleia2> nhaines: yeah :)
[03:06] <nhaines> So remember that when planning the release parties and installfests.  ;)
[03:06] <pleia2> indeed!
[03:06] <rww> include cake recipes
[03:06] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[03:06] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[03:06] <darthrobot`> Meeting ended Mon Mar 10 03:06:36 2014 UTC.
[03:06] <darthrobot`> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2014/ubuntu-us-ca.2014-03-10-02.01.moin.txt
[03:06] <nhaines> yay!  \o/
[03:06] <pleia2> good meeting :)
[03:07] <nhaines> That was definitely worth my time.  :)
[03:14] <nhaines> Okay so to the email I'm adding the following line:
[03:15] <nhaines> This will be the only unsolicited email you’ll get from me, so be sure and get in touch with me or a local resource if you have any questions.
[03:15] <nhaines> Just before the "thank you once again for..etc"
[03:15] <nhaines> Updated text available here: http://pastebin.com/H2Vm6StQ
[03:15] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu post-SCALE12X email - Pastebin.com]
[03:16] <ianorlin> nhaines will there be flavors at the installfest?
[03:16] <nhaines> ianorlin: nope!  Only Ubuntu 14.04 LTS in 32-bit and 64-bit, plus 12.04 LTS just in case.
[03:17] <ianorlin> :(
[03:17] <nhaines> Basically, the idea is "If you want something specific installed we'll gladly help, but if you don't know you want something specific you get Ubuntu."
[03:19] <nhaines> ianorlin: I successfully made the case that if someone comes to see what this "Linux" thing is and everyone's trying to convince them that the other person's version sucks and they should install this other version, that's a bad new-user experience. :P
[03:19] <ianorlin> yeah that makes sense
[03:20] <nhaines> There are a lot of Red Hat and two *really* grumpy SUSE users in the LUG.
[03:20] <nhaines> I usually omit any reference to Linux in my presentations now, and had to add them back in because LUG.  :)
[03:23] <ianorlin> do you ever get really old comps at installfests
[03:24] <nhaines> On occassion.
[03:24] <nhaines> They're usually a couple years old.  Mostly people like to bring in secondary systems to play with.  :)
[03:26] <eps> Better bring a few Lubuntu discs, just in case.
[03:26] <ianorlin> so my 4 and half year old hp laptop would be older
[03:26] <nhaines> ianorlin: just a bit.  But I'll bet it'll run Ubuntu well still.  :)
[03:27] <ianorlin> the wierd thing is if all you have is 4 year old laptop and a 8 year old desktop lxde does convergence of interface better
[03:28] <nhaines> Convergence?
[03:28] <toddcnb> if anyone needs help az runs 3-4 installfest per month but due to xp/8 we have seen a huge request for more events
[03:28] <nhaines> toddcnb: that's a good idea.
[03:29] <toddcnb> mostly older pc's spares so lots of lubuntu xubuntu puppy ect
[03:29] <toddcnb> get a plpbt disk and cd's
[03:32] <nhaines> Hm.  Might be nice to run network installs via PXE boot.
[03:33] <toddcnb> sat we did 13+ between 7 installers and turned several away due to late show up---we have a pxe good for single distro but hard to maintain menus for muti distros and updated iso's
[03:34] <toddcnb> we seldom use the ipxe anymore
[03:35] <nhaines> Does the Arizona LoCo have any online resources?
[03:35] <toddcnb> you may have better luck of course
[03:35] <nhaines> Right now the plan is to have tons of pressed DVDs. :)
[03:36] <ianorlin> do we have a plan for comps without dvd drive?
[03:37] <toddcnb> online as resources only our calendar ect       90% are usb installed but latley due to XP we have had to go back to cd's more often or use plopt to get to the usb for installs
[03:39] <toddcnb> we do have several sign up and install guides ect
[03:40] <toddcnb> bbl our meeting is in a few minutes #ubuntu-us-az
[03:48] <nhaines> ianorlin: nope!  :)  But the plan would probably be network install.
[03:49] <nhaines> Also, last installfest I sold 8GB USB keys with Ubuntu (32 or 64 bits, to order) stuffed with all kinds of other fantastic Windows software.  Sold like hotcakes.
[04:22] <nhaines> Okay, I'm sending this out after 9:30 if no one else has any further suggestions: http://pastebin.com/H2Vm6StQ
[04:22] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu post-SCALE12X email - Pastebin.com]
[04:26] <nhaines> Except I guess I'll add in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS launch date.
[04:32] <nhaines> Actually, I just added info about 14.04 LTS and which version to install before then, so reload that link if anyone still cares.
[04:44]  * ianorlin was eating dinner
[04:45] <nhaines> ianorlin: how was it?
[04:45] <ianorlin> ok
[05:26] <nhaines> TIL why I'm not in charge of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter.  :P
[05:27] <pleia2> oh no, UWN
[05:28] <nhaines> pleia2: almost like there's always something else to do, eh?
[05:28] <pleia2> today has been exceptional in that regard
[05:30] <nhaines> Hmm, only one fake email in the list.  Not bad.  :)
[06:26] <pleia2> there, off to editors
[06:29] <nhaines> yay!  :)
[07:31] <nhaines> pleia2: haha, thanks. :)
[07:40] <pleia2> :)
[19:28] <philipballew> Sorry for missing the meeting last night. I was away from the Internet.
[19:28] <philipballew> My bad.
[19:33] <ianorlin> it was a long one
[19:34] <philipballew> ianorlin, Understandable, SCALE is our big event.
[19:34] <philipballew> In case I am ever needed in a hurry here is my number everyone:
[19:34] <philipballew> 530-305-6497
[19:35]  * philipballew anticipates his phone ringing off the hook from now on.
[19:36]  * raevol signs philipballew up for cat facts
[19:36] <rww> especially since the google now knows your phone number
[19:36] <philipballew> rww, As if they did not already :)
[19:38] <philipballew> Whats the best calender system for Android?
[19:41] <philipballew> rww, I think for a while I had my cell on facebook, so I bet its in Google somewhere now, or when I emailed it to people.
[19:55] <raevol> philipballew: did you get an android phone?
[19:55] <raevol> philipballew: i use google calendar, but haven't really tried any others
[19:55] <philipballew> raevol, A motrolla xoom
[19:56] <philipballew> a tablet, so I figured I should have a calender system soon.
[19:57] <raevol> cool
[20:01] <philipballew> raevol, I am always behind the times with tech stuff it seems. :)
[20:02] <raevol> not with ubuntu!
[20:03]  * ianorlin likes listening to linux luddites
[20:03] <nhaines> ianorlin: I'll just dial into the BBS with minicom and initiate the transfer then run rz!
[20:08] <philipballew> I had a dude at starbucks come up to me like 5 minutes ago and ask me If I use ubuntu , and wanted to play with it for a few minutes so I let him use my laptop.
[20:08] <ianorlin> nice
[20:08] <philipballew> now I feel he probably is tracking all I do :)
[20:09] <ianorlin> sad thing is with lubuntu my mom didn't even notice any differnce from windows for months ...
[20:11] <philipballew> ianorlin, That could be a good thing.
[20:11] <ianorlin> more she did not look at the panel
[20:11] <philipballew> why look at the panel when all I need to do is check my gmail?
[20:12] <philipballew> my facebook works well to and I can get my netflix working?
[20:12] <philipballew> all without the pannel.
[20:12] <philipballew> from a users perspective at least I can see that.
[20:13] <ianorlin> actually windows to lxde transition is not bad if you don't care aobut fancy effects
[20:15] <ianorlin> it is like these virtual workspaces are nice decent looking defualt wallpaper and much better boot times and updates
[20:16] <philipballew> It is a good alternative to staying on xp after it stops getting updates.
[20:16] <philipballew> xo was one of Windows better releases though compared to others.
[20:16] <philipballew> *xp
[21:09] <bltz> imma let you finish
[21:10] <bltz> but windows 7 is the best windows of all time
[21:15] <philipballew> bltz, No way. Windows 95!
[21:15] <philipballew> Oh Kanye
[21:15] <philipballew> ...