[15:10] <elijah-mbp> wrst, that wasn't you i talked to on reddit yesterday was it?
[15:11] <elijah-mbp> i was messaging with some guy in cookeville who does network support for a church in overton county.
[15:13] <wrst> hey elijah-mbp not me but interesting
[15:17] <wrst> if i did their network support I would proably single handedly destroy their network however :)
[15:38] <elijah-mbp> wrst, haha :) :)  i found the guy because he posted his location as cookeville in a thread on /r/sysadmin - salary discussion.  i love those threads, possibly because i think i'm getting screwed a little at work.
[15:50] <wrst> ahh hey that's good to know I suppose :\
[16:31]  * cyberanger would just like a sysadmin job that lasts
[16:31] <cyberanger> without having to fight for pay
[16:50] <elijah-mbp> cyberanger, i'm at four years here now - i got one raise, but tbh it was just to barely get us up toward the middle of the bell curve of pay ranges for what we do.
[16:50] <elijah-mbp> so as time goes on... it gets more and more disappointing.
[16:51] <elijah-mbp> back in a bit - need to reboot.
[17:02] <cyberanger> yeah, fear alot of jobs are that way now, raises are mearly cost of living adjustments
[17:34] <zenadm1n> A lot of the sysadmins I know just have to change jobs every few years. Business needs constantly change and/or the job you take isn't the job you want anymore.
[17:34] <zenadm1n> If you do your job really well you can make things boring for yourself, too.
[17:50] <cyberanger> my trouble is slightly different, getting in, every time it's been a startup that flopped, or a failing business (with one exception) hence why I've been with wal-mart for two years
[17:51] <cyberanger> hard to weigh the risk of leaving for a better job, when this one is the only one that lasted a full year without having to fight for the actual paycheck
[17:53] <cyberanger> zenadm1n: seems like that is the par for the course sadly
[17:55] <zenadm1n> I was doing apps support for The Med in Memphis. I worked for 3 different companies under 5 different bosses in 3.5 years.
[17:58] <cyberanger> no trouble between jobs?
[17:58] <cyberanger> or you landed one first each time? any impact from that kind of job hopping (IT doesn't seem to care like most)
[18:00] <zenadm1n> I spent about 6 months unemployed between the Med and my next job. That job lasted a little over a year and I found myself unemployed for another 4 months. That job ended back in October. I didn't want the prospect of looking for work for months while I went broke.
[18:00] <zenadm1n> I moved to Colorado in November and found a job within a week.
[18:01] <zenadm1n> Not just a job, it's really my dream job. I'm a sysadmin - the only linux sysadmin for a school system out here.
[18:03] <cyberanger> nice
[18:04] <cyberanger> --finding what you want, not so much on the 10 months looking for work
[18:07] <zenadm1n> Yeah, I was getting desperate. Besides FedEx and Autozone who has big Linux installations in TN? I worked for FedEx. That's the contract that ended in October. I didn't even want to apply to Autozon.
[18:07] <wrst> Lowes :) I see some awful kde 3.x looking thing everytime I go there
[18:07] <wrst> oh and oreilly autoparts too
[18:08] <zenadm1n> Yeah, but I think Lowes is headquartered in Washington state. Does either Lowes or Oreilly have datacenters in TN?
[18:09] <cyberanger> Amazon now, EPB in chattanooga
[18:09] <cyberanger> beyond that it's Gov't
[18:11] <zenadm1n> Lowe's is in NC. I'd rather be in CO than east TN. I don't think Memphis is a livable city anymore. People are overworked, and underpaid, and there's so much competition in the job market it's hard to compete with the dozens of sysadmins that Fedex has let go over the last few years.
[18:13] <cyberanger> every Walmart employee uses SUSE Enterprise Linux, but most don't know it, and for what I can gather, some servers are in our stores, some are regional
[18:13] <cyberanger> and some are home office in bentonville
[18:14] <zenadm1n> Yeah, Arkansas isn't my bag, baby.
[18:14] <cyberanger> half don't recognize WinCE on the "price guns" see telnet (yes, telnet, not ssh) into the server, where it flashes suse enterprise linux, kernel 2.6.32-** and then quickly goes to a login prompt
[18:15] <cyberanger> I'd prefer East TN or West NC, don't mind Erie, PA or Buffalo, NY, but the market is flooded badly it seems
[18:18] <cyberanger> CMU in Pittsburgh, RIT in Rochester, which floods Buffalo too, Plus 4 colleges in the Erie area, and at least 6 in the Buffalo Niagara area, with another 3 community colleges in mind
[18:18] <cyberanger> plus manuafturing jobs left the area mostly, same idea as fedex there
[18:20] <zenadm1n> There's a lot of growth, development, jobs here, but they manly have to do with the military bases between Denver and CO Springs.
[18:20] <zenadm1n> *mainly*
[18:21] <zenadm1n> But because so many people are working for the military there's a lot of civilian opportunties, too.
[18:22] <zenadm1n> Between the wars and NSA revelations there's no way in good concience I could take a job as a military contractor.
[18:22] <cyberanger> yeah, but some are downsizing already (lost out on a chance at Shriver AFB, along with NIST)
[18:23] <zenadm1n> Peace, Love, Linux
[18:23] <zenadm1n> NIST is also in Boulder.
[18:23] <cyberanger> this was Ft. Collins
[18:23] <zenadm1n> You can call and request a tour. I thought about going up there to see the atomic clock.
[18:24] <cyberanger> but yeah, NIST is all over colorado
[18:24] <zenadm1n> I know 5 Memphians who've moved to Ft Collins in the last few years.
[18:26] <zenadm1n> I just hung out with a bunch of Memphis people in Boulder a few weeks ago. I'm definitely not alone in my frustration with finding a job back home.