[05:30] "yes, the i386 retracer crashed, I restarted it yesterday" [10:50] ali1234: any idea what might be broken here? bug 1280641 [10:50] bug 1280641 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar not saving sidebar "places" bookmarks after exit" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1280641 [11:34] brainwash: I can confirm that your patch for bug 1185396 works [11:34] bug 1185396 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "users-admin crashed with SIGSEGV in gst_user_profiles_get_for_user()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1185396 [11:37] brainwash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/1185396/comments/16 [11:37] Launchpad bug 1185396 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "users-admin crashed with SIGSEGV in gst_user_profiles_get_for_user()" [High,Triaged] [12:06] slickymasterWork: thanks for testing, but I think that it could be fixed differently, in a clean way (approved by memory logs) [12:07] brainwash: tbh I didn't saw the code for your fix. I'm a bit overwhelmed with work [12:07] I just add the PPA and tested it :P [12:07] my other MP for gnome-system-tools got rejected, because I should report the patch upstream [12:08] bug 586080 [12:08] bug 586080 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "[users-admin] "Properties" in users context menu has no effect" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586080 [12:09] hmm, well, at least that shows that the package is not completely abandoned upstream [12:09] it is actually [12:09] upstream means debian in this case [12:10] Yeah, I was referring to debian [12:10] are you going to report this patch upstream? [12:11] aor are you going to fiddle it a bit more [12:11] s/aor/or [12:11] was hoping that one of the ubuntu guys would do it, some of them create package for ubuntu and debian [12:12] or simply just apply it for ubuntu only, it's dead software anyway [12:13] well, you're right, about being dead ;)~ [12:13] well, hoping for others to do things often doesn't help [12:13] why not do it yourself? [12:13] I was hoping that we could have switched to mate-system-tools [12:14] don't think switching to otherDE-system-tools is cool [12:14] I was not aware that I have to do it [12:14] brainwash, don't think you "have to", but it doesn't hurt to do that, right? :) [12:14] I fixed the bug in ubuntu [12:14] there was that guy writing a new DE-agnostic user tool [12:14] *user management tool [12:15] that looks the most promising [12:15] but mate-system-tools is a simple fork which still gets some love [12:15] it works with Xfce [12:15] i don't doubt that [12:15] why wouldn't it? it's for user management [12:16] but anyway, using mate-system-tools doesn't sound at all better than using gnome-system-tools [12:16] one could think, that it builds around the MATE DE [12:16] and if there is an alternative for those, why not? [12:16] like the new gnome3 user management tool does [12:17] right, so we need something new for 14.10 :) [12:17] possibly [12:17] hey knome, good morning [12:18] bbl, phone [12:18] I was away this weekend and was trying to know if the screenshots serve your purpose? [12:23] yep [12:23] haven't been able to do anything with those yet [12:23] could do next [12:24] and will [12:27] slickymasterWork, done, refresh font page and you'll see your shots there [12:27] (some) [12:27] ok, if you need anything else, just ping me [12:28] the next time we need to worry about those is some time before trusty release [12:28] oh, btw, don't forget also the three -docs MP's [12:28] i know... [12:28] yeah, sorry for being such a pain in the neck :P [12:28] nah [12:28] life is that ;P [12:28] and "real" work [12:29] keeps me doing xubuntu stuff [12:29] again, when you're right... you're right [12:31] the screenshots contain the word "Sex" (date) [12:31] :-) [12:32] really sexy screenshots [12:34] lol, that's the portuguese abbreviation for friday, brainwash [12:35] in portuguese Sexta (friday) gets to be Sex (Fri) you dirty mind ;) [12:36] oh, so it's not a subliminal message :P [12:37] who's to know, now :) [13:02] lunch time -> [15:41] brainwash: i don't understand where to get that version. it isn't in the repositories [15:47] ali1234: it's Thunar 1.6.3-1ubuntu3 [15:49] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar [15:51] yeah that is definitely broken [15:52] oh, i know what it is, probably [15:57] i can't actually reproduce it [15:57] it's like the patch isn't applied at all [15:58] I can't reproduce it either [15:58] but the bookmarks aren't saved under gtk-3.0 [16:01] what keeps both bookmark files in sync? nothing, right? [16:01] nothing [16:01] ~/.gtk-bookmarks should be read only [16:01] there is literally no way for the code to ever write to it when correctly patched [16:01] yet it is writing to it [16:02] my installed thunar does not even contain the string "bookmarks" [16:02] which means it hasn't had this patch applied to it [16:02] o.o [16:02] Installed: 1.6.3-1ubuntu3 [16:03] so the package has not been properly built? [16:04] it certainly looks that way [16:04] does it even work at all for you? [16:04] for me it behaves 100% like the old version [16:07] the package will not buidl locally: [16:07] dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libxfce4ui-1.so.0 (used by debian/thunar/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/plugins/libthunar-tpa.so) [16:07] dh_shlibdeps: dpkg-shlibdeps -Tdebian/libthunarx-2-0.substvars -dRecommends debian/thunar/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/plugins/libthunar-tpa.so -dDepends debian/libthunarx-2-0/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthunarx-2.so.0.0.0 debian/libthunarx-2-0/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/thunarx-2/thunar-sbr.so debian/libthunarx-2-0/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/thunarx-2/thunar-apr.so debian/libthunarx-2-0/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/thunarx-2/thunar-wallpaper-plugi [16:07] new bookmarks do get saved here [16:08] yes but where do they get saved? [16:08] gtk3 [16:08] don't have the gtk2 file [16:08] try deleting both bookmarks files [16:10] did that, then I added a new bookmark and it got saved in the gtk3 location [16:11] ok, try deleting ~/.config/gtk-3.0 directory completely [16:12] now it stopped working [16:12] yeah i thought so [16:12] the folder does not get recreated [16:12] yes [16:14] so it just needs to create the directory [16:14] i will fix this and upload a new patch to bugzilla [16:14] (which is currently broken) [16:15] thanks :) === PaulW2U is now known as G4MBY [16:48] ali1234: even if window-resizing could only solved within the compositor, that'd be nice actually [17:23] mp3 player working in thunar after upgrade of mount - so that's usb's working for me in thunar \o/ [18:28] anyone testing light-locker-settings? [18:32] looks like it does not work 100% properly yet [18:33] so we need some test results [18:33] :) [18:36] brainwash, I did a test. Is there an update? [18:37] no, should be still the initial release of light-locker-settings [18:37] it works fine for you? [18:38] brainwash, odd. one still neesds to purge xscreensaver [18:39] maybe some meta package still depends on it [18:39] It passed the test:http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1630/results [18:40] I have since tested the settings and function several times. All on a vm. [18:41] brainwash, oops: this one: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1633/results [18:41] but that's only the test case for light-locker (the actual screen locker) [18:41] ah [18:43] brainwash - are you wkrekik or texadactyl on Launchpad? [18:43] no [18:43] elfy, appears that they are both from the testing [18:43] <- https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch [18:43] brainwash> so we need some test results [18:44] off you go then ;) [18:44] that'll be one more when you do it [18:44] just installed -settings to give it a go... and noticed some oddities [18:45] but I'm glad that we already got a test case for -settings :) [18:49] yep [18:49] menulibre is the only one without one now [18:50] and there's only 2 mails to the -dev and -testers left on my list now [19:01] elfy, I have a screen shot of the two-instances-of-lightdm-gtk-greeter in the taskbar. Wanna see it? [19:02] I guess so [19:02] or, I guess I could try ubuntu-bug lightdm-gtk-greeter. [19:03] How would I show the screenshot to you -- if you have the time or you could see it later. [19:03] report it then - you can add screenshot as attachment [19:04] ok [19:04] unless there is one - ochosi had it I thought [19:05] brainwash, I did the testcase for light-locker-setting again. Seems fine here on vbox 4.3.8 64bit [19:05] might even have been fixed - just not seen it come through yet - in which case a bug report is pointless [19:05] schproodle: thanks for testing again [19:06] a screenshot is nice to have, but only log files will help in this case [19:06] schproodle: you can put the screenshot online for me to look at ;) [19:07] other than seeing what it looks like - I'm not bothered tbh [19:07] OK, don't know how :( [19:07] I'll do it. [19:07] schproodle: imagebin I use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add [19:07] picpaste, imagebin, imgur, etc. [19:08] ..or even launchpad :) [19:08] (I have it from PPA, no bug report.) [19:08] brainwash: It finally retraced the bug from Sat. :P [19:08] what bug? [19:09] http://imagebin.org/298340 [19:10] brainwash: ok, gtk does g_file_make_directory_with_parents() to make the bookmarks folder.... thunar needs to do it too when saving [19:10] schproodle: never seen it - never even seen one there, let alone 2 [19:10] brainwash: xorg, crashes on the trusty kernels. [19:10] schproodle: From repo or ppa? [19:11] schproodle: what is that dark bar? [19:11] ali1234: ok, should be easily fixable then [19:11] maybe I need a fresh Rx for my spectacles eh :) [19:12] schproodle: also what does ps waxf say? [19:12] the only way i can imagine this happening is if lightdm-gtk-greeter got zombified... twice [19:13] image size is creeping up then - 945Mb [19:13] Yeah. :/ [19:15] see wickz [19:15] ali1234, don't know what the dark bar means eh [19:16] jack@jack-VirtualBox:~$ ps waxf | grep greet [19:16] 3283 pts/0 S+ 0:00 \_ grep --color=auto greet [19:16] 1939 ? Sl 0:01 /usr/sbin/lightdm-gtk-greeter [19:16] 2775 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/sbin/lightdm-gtk-greeter === jackson is now known as Guest57400 [19:16] i need to see the whole thing [19:16] knome: new slideshow - where to report issues with it? [19:17] schproodle: please use a pastebin [19:17] ali1234, where do I put that -- gotta a url for pastebin or somesuch [19:17] schproodle: ps waxf | pastebinit [19:18] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069422/ [19:19] wickz is on the vm with the issue [19:19] ali1234, ^^ [19:28] ali1234, anything else I might do. How about ubuntu-bug. This happens intermittently here. [19:28] yes, i don't know what yet though [19:28] please don't reboot the vm [19:29] from the pastebin i can see that both the greeters are zombies [19:29] ali1234, I will keep it up if you want. Please advise as you please. [19:29] please pastebin /var/log/lightdm/* [19:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069490/ [19:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069491/ [19:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069492/ [19:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069493/ [19:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069494/ [19:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069495/ [19:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069496/ [19:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069497/ [19:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069498/ [19:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069499/ [19:35] ali1234, ^^ wickz [19:36] and "apt-cache policy lightdm-gtk-greeter"? [19:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069515/ [19:37] brainwash, ^^ wickz [19:37] schproodle: they'll know who wickz is :) [19:38] okeeleedokeelee, duh [19:38] this might be related http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069492/ [19:39] strange [19:39] that would make sense actually [19:40] those might not be gtk-greeter processes [19:40] does it run the indicators by forking? [19:40] yeah schproodle is kinda weird [19:40] i bet it does [19:40] yeah... so this is my theory [19:40] the indicator watchers bug causes the indicators to respawn "too fast" [19:41] so it something turns them into zombies [19:41] ali1234, might this be vbox vm related? [19:41] or the indicator is waiting for them to exit [19:41] schproodle: no [19:42] the problem here is that the process is turning to zombie instead of exiting clean [19:42] intermittently [19:42] yeah, it's a race condition [19:43] if you look on the pswaxf there are more zombie processes [19:43] lots of init --user --startup-event indicator-services-start [19:43] so this is almost certainly related [19:44] so, revised theory: gtk-greeter runs init to send the startup-event [19:44] init goes zombie and that causes greeter to go zombie [19:44] they both get reparented [19:45] init still has indicator-sound-service as a child [19:45] i know how to "fix" this [19:45] it's a bug we've been waiting for unity to fix for months [19:46] however, there might be secondary bug here [19:46] ochosi: thoughts? [19:47] if you run "top" on the vm, does it say you have zombies? [19:48] ali1234, '0 zombie' [19:48] hmm [19:48] no convinced :) [19:48] those processes may not technically be zombie but they sure act like they are [19:49] it is probably part of the "spawning too fast" protection to make it go into a "dormant" state similar to zombie but not quite the same [19:49] ali1234, if one right-clicks the taskbar entry, it says the program or window is not responding etc [19:49] yes, because it's walking-dead :) [19:49] I was able to right click > close. [19:49] how easy can you guys reproduce this? [19:49] scary and sordid, all that parenting eh [19:50] try to reproduce after applying the no watchers workaround [19:50] i bet you can't... [19:50] intermittent here for about the last week [19:50] put INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=1 in /etc/environment on a line on it's own and then reboot [19:51] ok... [19:53] ali1234, skip ubuntu-but, right? [19:53] ^but^bug [19:54] ready to reboot... [19:55] well, you could open a bug, bug we've got all the logs now [19:55] reboot then? [19:55] sure [19:57] up -- no taskbar lightdm* stuff [19:57] what next? [19:58] well, wait and see if it happens again [19:59] that /etc/environment line is on a vm system that I am upgrading from the iso option, so, it should remain there. [20:00] hmm... probably it will ask if you want to keep the changes [20:01] Ok, I have no idea what it does. If it happens again, I will report here. [20:01] It'll ask for sure, but don't see it owned by any package. [20:02] ochosi: how are you shutting down the indicators when exiting the greeter? [20:02] Unit193, It might ask if I was upgrading with apt-get. What is the difference from the iso upgrade option campared to apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade. [20:03] good question actually... [20:04] ali1234: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L2800 [20:04] hmm... ok that seems wrong [20:04] they are launched by sending an upstart event [20:05] upstart is going to try to keep them alive until it gets the shutdown signal i assume [20:05] already mentioned this [20:05] so then gtk-greeter does waitpid [20:05] that will never return [20:05] or it will but by then there will be a new one [20:05] but... unity-greeter does the same [20:05] so that's keeping everything around [20:05] well, maybe unity-greeter has the same bug, who knows? [20:06] i cannot reproduce it [20:06] maybe unity-greeter sets the hint to not show on the panel? [20:06] this is certainly related to the upstart managed indicators though [20:07] yeah, like you've said: race condition [20:28] Unit193: you got a clue as to where to push a slide for our ubiquity slideshow? [20:29] or of course anyone else that sees ... [20:31] elfy: lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [20:33] knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/slide1/+merge/210291 [20:33] thanks Unit193 [20:34] Sure. [20:35] ali1234, looking at the image of the lightdm double entry, I noticed that the icons on the desktop are missing. [20:35] probably an unrelated bug [20:46] elfy, will look at that later [20:46] i will try to take some time for tomorrow to go through all the pending merge proposals [20:48] :) [20:48] knome: I don't even know if there are others doing the same thing tbh - I just noticed it a short while ago [20:54] elfy, not for that slide, no [20:54] elfy, we did land the new slides for b1 for the reason of getting feedback [20:54] so thanks ;) [20:55] :) [21:18] ali1234, reproduced lightdm-gtk-greeter -- this time with the /etc/environment line [21:18] ali1234, desktop icons are also missing [21:18] hmm... ok, thanks [21:19] what next if anything? [21:19] ubuntu-bug [21:20] regarding the missing desktop icons, can you right-click the desktop to trigger the context menu? [21:20] well, when I clicked on the desktop the icons appeared! [21:20] that is probably the background of lightdm-gtk-greeter obscuring the desktop [21:20] I left clicked inadvertently [21:21] right click doe not work [21:22] that's not normal [21:23] does running "xfdesktop --reload" restore the desktop functionality? [21:23] ubuntu-bug lightdm-gtk-greeter then? [21:23] yes [21:23] will do ...reload [21:24] do the reload before bug? [21:24] yeah [21:25] ok, have not done this before -- advice welcome [21:28] ali1234: I'd say so as well, when I closed the window the desktop came up. [21:28] so, did the reload change anything? [21:28] (IIRC) [21:28] still doing bug... [21:29] wickz: attach all the logs please [21:30] reload did not correct right-click dysfuntion [21:31] hmm [21:31] ali1234, what logs...appport had completed and browser is open 'report a bug' [21:31] finish bug report first [21:31] OK [21:31] hmm i actally have one of these zombies on my machine [21:32] gotta nice concise summary for me? [21:32] anything you like. i'll edit it when i figure out what is going on [21:33] "lightdm-gtk-greeter doesn't exit cleanly when logging in" [21:33] ali1234, ok [21:33] although i don't have any greeter processes [21:41] wickz: also please link to the bug here [21:53] ali1234, what about the logs? [21:59] ali1234, bug #1290575 [21:59] bug 1290575 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "lightdm-gtk-greeter does not exit cleanly when logging in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290575 [21:59] thanks. i'll fill in the rest [21:59] ali1234, logs or anything else from me, please advise. [22:00] not sure really [22:03] you could try to attach gdb to the dead greeter process and then get a backtrace [22:03] i get it's on waitpid() [22:03] *bet [22:06] I put the logs ^^ in a comment: pastebin /var/log/lightdm [22:06] I put the logs ^^ in a comment: pastebin /var/log/lightdm/* [22:07] don't know about gdb debugger eh for a backtrace, please advise [22:07] run pidof lightdm-gtk-greeter [22:07] then run gdb -p [22:07] then press ctrl-c [22:08] then type bt [22:09] no stack [22:09] hmm [22:09] so it really exited [22:09] it's not waiting [22:10] weird [22:10] i'll need to make a vm and try to reproduce i suppose [22:11] someone has left a comment on the bug report [22:12] It appears that lightdm-gtk-greeter is waiting for init (upstart) to exit. upstart is in turn waiting on the indicator services to exit. From the log: [22:12] that was me [22:19] ali1234, anything else from me at this time? [22:19] i don't think so === GridCube_ is now known as GridCube [23:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1289852 nice. [23:25] Launchpad bug 1289852 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in miCreateScreenResources()" [Undecided,New]