[00:13] <dbritos> Hello
[00:16] <Beryl> I installed 14.04, everything works, but muon/discover is bunny as usual... and so is synaptic. Are there any other package manager GUIS?
[00:20] <roney> there's apper
[00:27] <Beryl> 5 minutes and apper hasn't crashed, amazing
[01:46] <c2tarun> Hi
[01:47] <c2tarun> should I install Kubuntu 12.04 or wait for 14.04? My laptop configuration is 3GB RAM 1GB ATI 5xxx graphic card. I heard that KDE in 14.04 is lighter and faster than KDE in 12.04
[02:07] <Beryl> c2tarun: I'm running 14.04, seems fine so far
[02:07] <Beryl> Open source drivers for 5000 series has improved a lot
[02:08] <c2tarun> Beryl, what wifi card are you using?
[02:08] <Beryl> c2tarun: A shitty Qualcomm Atheros
[02:09] <Beryl> works just as bad on windows
[02:09] <c2tarun> mine is Broadcom (even shittier)
[02:09] <Beryl> Mine was $7 :)
[02:10]  * c2tarun funny thing, my windows 7 show BSOD on very first day of my laptop and since then I am using linux (this was summer of 2011)
[02:10] <c2tarun> Beryl, I think I am going to give it a try :)
[02:10] <c2tarun> thanks
[02:10] <Beryl> c2tarun: let me find link to iso
[02:10] <Beryl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[02:10] <c2tarun> thanks a lot :)
[02:10] <Beryl> nice and fresh
[05:15] <jay__> can anyone help me set up switchable graphics kubuntu 14.2
[10:35] <Mystery_Man> hey guys
[10:36] <lordievader> Hey Mystery_Man
[10:36] <Mystery_Man> How u doing today?
[10:36] <Mystery_Man> I have a bit of an issue today...switched from ubuntu to kubuntu
[10:36] <lordievader> Mystery_Man: Doing good here, thanks. How about you?
[10:37] <Mystery_Man> using evolution email client
[10:37] <Mystery_Man> good just a bit tired
[10:42] <lordievader> !pm | Mystery_Man
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:09] <yossarianuk> is kde 4.13 still looking like its going to used for 14.04 ?
[11:28] <Riddell> yossarianuk: yes I'm packaging it now
[11:29] <yossarianuk> cool !
[11:29] <yossarianuk> theregister mentioned the wrong version yesterday,,,,
[11:30] <Riddell> shrug, tabloid rag :)
[11:32] <yossarianuk> 4.12 is very nice (using it in kubuntu+arch) 4.13 i'm sure will be that bit better......
[11:34] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, newer isn't always better in my experience :)
[11:34] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: since kde 4.0 every version has been better than the last.
[11:35] <yossarianuk> just that bit more refined.
[11:37] <BluesKaj> frankly yossarianuk I haven't noticed a lot of difference for many versions now, but i'm an ordinary user
[11:38]  * monkeyjuice would not call BluesKaj ordinary ;)
[11:38] <yossarianuk> well in the 4.0 - 4.2 there were a ton of stability fixes.
[11:40] <yossarianuk> since then just little usability improvements - kin perormance improvements in 4.10.
[11:40] <yossarianuk> i.e
[11:40] <yossarianuk> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/09/performance-improvements-in-kwin-4-9-2-and-4-10/
[11:40] <yossarianuk> *kwin*
[11:40] <yossarianuk> hence - every version being better than previous.
[11:41] <yossarianuk> opensource should work that way imo.... personally I would like kubuntu's desktop to be rolling release (on a stable core.)
[11:42] <BluesKaj> that's being considered, or was discussed for a while
[11:47] <yossarianuk> Well I have arch for that I guess.
[11:48] <ikonia> isn't that what the PPA is ?
[11:48] <ikonia> the same kubuntu release + later desktop ?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> arch didn't do much for me despite all the talk about how great it is
[11:54] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: its just a way to have the latest software all the time.
[11:54] <yossarianuk> I found it more stable (and newer packages) than Debian sid...
[11:55] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, that's fine , if you feel the need :)
[11:55] <yossarianuk> When you hear about some new existing package in the opensource world you normally can access that package the same day - with debian yo may have to wait 3 - 6 years.
[11:55] <yossarianuk> kubuntu 6 - 12 month.
[11:56] <yossarianuk> with arch its the same night....
[11:57] <yossarianuk> but anyway i guess that's offtopic...
[12:00] <yossarianuk> although sometimes its actually easier to keep an opensource package up to date on windows than it is on some distros (ubuntu/kubuntu included.) and that is wrong...
[12:00] <yossarianuk> (not that I use windows)
[12:05] <dougl> morning BluesKaj you around?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> windows has it's uses, and virtualbox works well on this laptop at least because of it's larger memory and cpu. My older desktop can barely handle windows 7 on partition , let alone in a vm.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> hey dougl, what's shakin'
[12:09] <lordievader> Ah dougl, a reply to the problem you had yesterday: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[12:09] <dougl> Hey BluesKaj was looking to config 14.04 with static ip but was not asking my question properly and in the wrong channel etc - was wondering if you had new perspective...
[12:10] <lordievader> dougl: See ^for setting up a static ip.
[12:11] <dougl> and everything that is suggested and tried does not work
[12:12] <dougl> lordievader, when I do that nothing works
[12:12] <lordievader> dougl: That is strange. It never failed for me.
[12:12] <lordievader> dougl: Do you get errors?
[12:13] <dougl> no
[12:14] <dougl> no errors
[12:15] <lordievader> dougl: Can you ping your gateway after you've set a static ip?
[12:15] <dougl> lordievader, sec...
[12:17] <BluesKaj> dougl, this the method I used, it's abit dated , but when you get to the /etc/resolv.conf settings the path changes to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base, that\s where the nameserver and gateway settings need to be located
[12:17] <BluesKaj> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[12:21] <BluesKaj> dougl, another point, get rid of NM and it's config file or you'll have problems , unless there's a workaround I'm unaware of
[12:22] <dougl> BluesKaj, err ok...
[12:22] <dougl> lordievader, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7073200/ is my interfaces file can you take a peek for me please?/
[12:22] <BluesKaj> NM tries to overwrite resolv.conf
[12:23] <dougl> BluesKaj, and I don't know how to start the network after that so I reinstalled 14.04 for the 5th time to fix it.
[12:24] <dougl> apparently there is supposed to be some NM gui but I cannot find it...
[12:25] <lordievader> dougl: I usually define a network and a broadcast address too.
[12:25] <lordievader> dougl: Can you ping the gateway?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> dougl, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:26] <dougl> I did not restart yet lordievader can you tell me how to define a network and add a broadcast address?
[12:27] <dougl> lordievader, nm
[12:28] <lordievader> dougl: This is how I've defined one of my bridge nics: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7073229/
[12:29] <BluesKaj> I'd like to stay, but I have to go out for a few hrs ... BBL
[12:30] <dougl> later thanks
[12:30] <lordievader> dougl: Anyhow can you ping your gateway?
[12:31] <dougl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7073234/
[12:31] <dougl> there is my interfaces = does it look ok... pinging now
[12:31] <dougl> checjking
[12:33] <dougl> lordievader, saved that file and yes I can ping my gateway with but my ip has not changed
[12:33] <lordievader> dougl: Ok, run the command BluesKaj gave you.
[12:34] <dougl> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:34] <dougl> ERROR: Calling a sysvinit script on a system using upstart isn't supported. Please use the 'service' command instead.
[12:35] <dougl> and this is where I reinstalled
[12:35] <dougl> after doing it oldschool
[12:37] <lordievader> dougl: sudo service networking restart
[12:44] <dougl> So lordievader I assume this is/was step one of 500 to get a static ip and no I cannot ping the gateway
[12:44] <lordievader> dougl: Hmm, interesting, can you post the output of "sudo route
[12:44] <lordievader> ""
[12:44] <dougl> no
[12:45] <dougl> I have no access to the machine now there is not network
[12:45] <lordievader> dougl: You where doing this remotely? Ai. That is usually not a good idea.
[12:46] <dougl> just downstairs
[12:47] <dougl> but regardless without  a network connection I doubt if I could post the output of sudo route
[12:48] <lordievader> Hmm true. But it would tell you/me if there is a route to the gateway.
[12:48] <dougl> ok will check
[12:50] <dougl> kernel routing table appears to be empty but I have never seen any other so would not really know
[12:51] <lordievader> dougl: Completely empty is strange.
[12:52] <dougl> so I ask again - is it possible to manually config ip on 14.04 without the manned mission to mars?
[12:53] <lordievader> dougl: Anyhow in your case it is probably "sudo route add -net 192.168.0.0/24 gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth0"
[12:53] <dougl> I think this
[12:53] <lordievader> dougl: Usually it is no more than editing /etc/network/interfaces. That has worked for me, in Trusty too.
[12:53] <dougl> lordievader, that survives a boot?
[12:54] <lordievader> dougl: Yes.
[12:54] <lordievader> I'm not really sure why it doesn't work in your case.
[12:56] <dougl> lordievader, only cuz I been waiting for this since 12.04
[12:57] <dougl> anyway that command did not work errors = ...
[12:57] <dougl> network is unreachable
[12:57] <lordievader> dougl: Do you have an entry in the routing table for the gateway and the network?
[12:58] <dougl> what routing table?
[12:59] <lordievader> dougl: sudo route
[13:00] <dougl> empty
[13:00] <lordievader> dougl: Still?
[13:01] <dougl> still
[13:03] <lordievader> dougl: Hmm, that is strange. Sadly I don't have time right now to dig deeper into it on how to solve it. But I do expect that if the routing table is fixed the problem is gone. (It might even be that a reboot will work here).
[13:03] <dougl> reboot = nothing ...
[13:04] <lordievader> dougl: Really strange that the routing table isn't populated.
[13:04] <dougl> no network
[13:05] <dougl> cant populate when I have no network
[13:05] <dougl> nothing that need the network can be done without the network
[13:08] <lordievader> As I understand it, the routing table (sudo route) is populated with the info from either dhcp or from /etc/network/interfaces.
[13:10] <dougl> LOL - as I understand it static ip took 15 minutes 10 years ago... now it takes hours, progress :)
[13:35] <dougl> apachelogger, ok thanks for the help my ip is working now and I can use my local network but I have no dns working - is that a 10 second fix ... LOL
[13:36] <ikonia> set your dns resolvers then ?
[13:36] <ikonia> check if they are populated to start with ?
[13:38] <dougl> ikonia, where do I do that?
[13:40] <ikonia> how did you set your network card up, what tool did you use ?
[13:41] <dougl> the networkish looking thing in the sys tray
[13:41] <pietro10> Hi. On a fresh install, when my laptop wakes up from sleep, X11 crashes in such a way that if it does restart, KDE startup freezes on login and I have to reboot to get back in. Is there a way I can diagnose this?
[13:42] <dougl> ikonia, the networkish looking thing in the sys tray
[13:43] <ikonia> dougl: that should have set the dns servers up, in that tool are the dns servers populated ?
[13:43] <dougl> the ones I put in there yes
[13:43] <ikonia> ok, so can you use them ?
[13:44] <dougl> yes
[13:45] <dougl> no cannot use them see them i THOT u asked lol
[13:45] <ikonia> sorry I'll clarify
[13:46] <ikonia> "can you use them to do ip->name resolution or name->ip resolution"
[13:48] <dougl> ikonia, for what ever reason it needed a reboot and all is find now... must have had the 14.04 box too close to the windows machine - lol
[13:48] <dougl> fine
[14:26] <pietro10> ok how about a differnet issue
[14:26] <pietro10> after a recent update, bash tab completion does not work properly, and I can't find the speicif cway it is broken in a google search:
[14:26] <pietro10> - starting with ~/ does not complete filenames, only directory names
[14:26] <pietro10> - sometimes, relative paths don't complete filenames as well
[14:27] <pietro10> - X= -l (tab) causes bash-completion to throw up a syntax error alert
[14:27] <pietro10> I tried killing /etc/bash_completion.d but to no avail - whatt else could hav ehappened? Thanks.
[14:46] <luky> ciao
[15:13] <pietro10> Hi. I have a problem with bash completion: http://pastie.org/8907571 (full question in paste link); can anyone help? Thanks.
[15:41] <AndChat|268400> You may want to consider loading a distro onto a vm to see if you like it beforehand.
[15:42] <AndChat|268400> Sorry wrong channel
[18:33] <pietro10> oh there's a bash-completion update now; let's hope this fixes everything
[20:41] <marino> boas pessoal
[20:49] <xjie6ope3ka> hi i'm experiencing issue with blacklist, i have blacklisted radeon driver but after reboot my gpu still in use by radeon driver and thats couse troubles because i can detach it, and reasing it to VM. it used to work in 12.04 LTS, but i decided to update my system and now it desn't work and i don't know what to do. can anyone help me?
[22:12] <windows> hi
[22:16] <windows> I use kubuntu 13.10 and after one week of using plasma panel starts to be crazy it slow down my laptop to the maximum its hard to move mouse  any help ????
[22:24] <rosco_y> what are the default video drivers used with ubuntu 13.10?
[22:25] <rosco_y> I'm thinking of trying the native drivers for my NVIDIA card, but I want to be able to revert to these default drivers if it doesn't work out for me.
[22:29] <windows> I also have inteeeel when this happen
[22:29] <windows> but if I switch to gforce wil it goes down
[22:45] <gomiboy> rosco_y: if by "native" you mean the proprietary nvidia drivers, there is no problem: install them, reboot and test. Remove them and you are back to the default. Btw nvidia binary drivers always work (if you have a GPU not older than 10 years or so, that is :)
[23:00] <rosco_y> gomiboy: ty--I used to have trouble with the dual panel settings with the native drivers--the ones installed with ubuntu work great for me
[23:31] <Cyb3rAssasin> oi