[15:22] <applepi> Can anyone point me toward the kernel configuration that ubunutu armhf was built with?  I'm attempting to boot my freescale imx6sl-evk with an ubuntu armhf rootfs, but I can't seem to get all the way through.
[15:24] <rbasak> applepi: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git;a=tree;f=debian.master/config;hb=HEAD
[15:29] <applepi> rbasak: thanks :)  ah, just noticed Thumb2..  I don't have that on in my kernel..  should I be able to get the imx6sl up and going with that on?
[15:30] <rbasak> I have no idea, sorry. I just happened to have needed to dig into the kernel config before.
[15:30] <applepi> ah okay, thanks.
[15:55] <Valduare> anyone here have an mk808
[15:55] <Valduare> or 802 or 802_a10s
[18:20] <nuit123> I'm using Ubuntu (in reality, just the networking piece), none of the desktop stuff) on a PC and now want to shrink it all, preferably to a chip not a board.  Any embedded gurus in here?
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[18:22] <nuit123> :-)
[18:25] <nuit123> i'm looking for a Linux and tiny computers (SoC/board) seasoned expert who can advise on the best way to get Linux networking running on the smallest and least expensive hardware.
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[18:26] <rbasak> nuit123: well, the most minimal Ubuntu you can get is Ubuntu Core. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core
[18:26] <rbasak> nuit123: if you want to go smaller than that, then you could do just a kernel + busybox + whatever you need, but you'd be out of Ubuntu territory then.
[18:27] <rbasak> Whichever way you go, you're generally expected to know what you're doing at this level.
[18:29] <nuit123> i could use a guiding hand if anyone wishes to helpout.  I'm willing to compensate for a way out of the woods.
[18:30] <rbasak> It sounds too involved for IRC to me. I'd say that you need a consultant or something. But you're welcome to see who else can help you here.
[18:30] <nuit123> yes, consultant.
[18:34] <trem> nuit123: you want to run a linux on an "embedded board" ? like pandaboard or smaller ?
[18:39] <nuit123> whatever is least expensive.  solution only needs to support networking - the same components that are already in Ubuntu Desktop although likely much can be stripped out.
[18:40] <ogra_> trem, except that a pandaboard is really way beyond "embedded" :)
[18:41] <trem> embedded is not very very clear
[18:41] <ogra_> (you can run a full ubuntu desktop on it relatively fluidly)
[18:41] <trem> now, I see embedded board with more ram than my laptop ;)
[18:41] <ogra_> well, i wouldnt call something "desktop class" being embedded
[18:42] <trem> I agree, that's my question
[18:42] <trem> on "small" board, I'll use buildroot + uboot + kernel + busybox
[18:42] <ogra_> the beaglebone is sometihing i would call an embedded board
[18:42] <ogra_> and the *durino's
[18:43] <nuit123> sorry, if i added confusion.  My "breadboard" was Ubuntu and a laptop because it was easy to get my solution working.  Now trying to shrink the software and hardware footprint and cost...
[18:44] <ogra_> well, the smallest Ubuntu install that rbasak pointed to above uses something like a 200MB disk footprint ... and there are not even networking pieces installed
[18:44] <trem> too big
[18:44] <ogra_> not sure ubuntu is actually a good choice for "embedded"
[18:45] <trem> rasbetty pi should be smaller
[18:45] <trem> I agree with ogra_ (again)
[18:45]  * ogra_ disagrees about the RPi being an embedded board though :) 
[18:45] <ogra_> its a PVR chip on a board ;)
[18:46] <ogra_> (it would be my choice if i wanted to build a video recording box ... for everything else i would choce something else)
[18:46] <ogra_> *choose
[18:47] <nuit123> Something roughly like this?  http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G138745696275
[18:47] <ogra_> wow
[18:47] <ogra_> quad core and 2G ram
[18:48] <ogra_> well, not actually what i would call embedded ... but you can definitely run an ubuntu rootfs on it
[18:48] <hrw> and cheap
[18:48] <hrw> and ubuntu can run on it
[18:48] <ogra_> right
[18:48] <ogra_> you dont want to hook it up to a battery i guess ?
[18:49] <hrw> I have wandboard quad at desk. nice it is
[18:49] <ogra_> sure sure
[18:50] <ogra_> i just expect that people looking for embedded are actually after resource saving somehow :)
[18:51] <trem> ogra_: RPi is cheap
[18:51] <ogra_> trem, yeah, and awful for anything but video decoding
[18:51] <trem> even network ?
[18:52] <ogra_> its a USB attached NIC on a shared USB HUB ...
[18:52] <ogra_> yes, specifically network
[18:54] <hrw> ogra_: over shared usb hub connected to otg port
[18:54] <trem> arg, not good, ip over usb ...
[18:55] <hrw> r/pi is good for....
[18:55] <hrw> nothing comes to mind. even not for door stopper or papers holder
[18:56] <trem> http://liliputing.com/2013/04/99-mars-board-dev-board-features-freescale-i-mx6-dual-processor.html
[18:56] <trem> may be this
[18:58] <hrw> trem: with today's board you can set a list of requirements first and then select boards and start looking for shops
[18:58] <trem> yes
[18:58] <hrw> sata, 1 or 2 hdmi, usb 2 or 3 and how many
[18:58] <trem> the wandboard seems to be nice
[18:58] <hrw> fast of gigabit ethernet
[18:58] <ogra_> hrw, if you can live with the blobs RPi is an awesome video decoder
[18:58] <hrw> amount of i²c, spi, gpio pins
[18:59] <ogra_> the chip was designed to run settop boxes
[18:59]  * hrw off
[18:59] <trem> ogra_: the wandboard ?
[18:59] <ogra_> trem, nope the RPi
[18:59] <trem> oh ok
[19:00] <ogra_> wandboard is definitely a nice board
[19:00] <trem> ogra_: and for light embedded linux, buildroot + kernel + busybox ?
[19:01] <ogra_> well, for that anything works :)
[20:42] <nuit123> ogra and trem, thanks for your helpful comments earlier!
[21:21] <e-Ra> Is it really a bad idea to install xserver or other window manager on ubuntu server?
[21:43] <infinity> CONFIG_ARCH_MXC=y
[21:43] <infinity> applepi: That's on in the Ubuntu config too.  I maintain that you didn't use our congfig. :P
[21:43] <applepi> bugger...
[21:43] <infinity> applepi: This is our current config http://lucifer.0c3.net/~adconrad/config-3.13.0-17-generic
[21:43] <applepi> Okay, that's not what I was pointed to earlier..  let me take a look at this.
[21:43] <infinity> applepi: If what you were pointed at was git, that doesn't really tell the whole sorty, since our config in git are split.
[21:43] <applepi> ah
[21:43] <applepi> yeah that would explain it
[21:43] <infinity> applepi: So, you need to run a script to combine ubuntu.common, armhf.common, armhf.generic, etc...
[21:43] <infinity> applepi: Anyhow, the above that I linked it the finished product, as shipped in the kernel package.
[21:44] <infinity> applepi: And, in fact, no need to build your own kernel, if you want to extract ours from the deb and try it out.
[21:44] <infinity> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/169034851/linux-image-3.13.0-17-generic_3.13.0-17.37_armhf.deb
[21:44] <infinity> That even includes the imx6q-sabrelite.dtb device-tree, so I expect it's meant to work.
[21:44] <infinity> I just need to test it and build d-i for it.
[21:46] <applepi> ugh, thank you for this..  I am still a bit newbish at this..  I can build my own by trudging through git still loses me sometimes.
[21:46] <infinity> applepi: Yeah, probably not much point in building your own, though, and I'd love ours tested. :P
[21:47] <infinity> applepi: If you need to extract that kernel package to try to get at the image, you can do something like "dpkg-deb -x linux-image-blahblah.deb sometempdir/"
[21:47] <infinity> And the kernel will be in sometempdir/boot/
[21:47] <infinity> And the DTB in sometempdir/firmware/$ver/device-tree/
[21:47] <infinity> Err, lib/firmware.
[21:47] <infinity> And the modules in sometempdir/lib/modules/$ver/