| alecu | hello! | 14:44 |
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| __lucio___ | mhall119: hello! is this like the last one and you will get me the link to the hangout? | 14:51 |
| mhall119 | __lucio___: not me for this session | 14:51 |
| mhall119 | __lucio___: you should be able to start it | 14:52 |
| mhall119 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions has instructions | 14:52 |
| mhall119 | either that or one of the client track leads can do it for you | 14:52 |
| mhall119 | __lucio___: I'm going to be running sessions on the appdev track, so I can't help, sorry | 14:53 |
| __lucio___ | mhall119: who is the client track lead? how do i find out? | 14:55 |
| mhall119 | __lucio___: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/tracks | 14:56 |
| __lucio___ | mhall119: thanks :) | 14:56 |
| mhall119 | np | 14:56 |
| __lucio___ | seb128: hi! can you give me a hand with setting up the HO? (i have no youtube channels) | 14:58 |
| seb128 | __lucio___, the track lead is supposed to host, I'm trying to start the session but google changed | 14:59 |
| mhall119 | __lucio___: you should be able to use your @canonical Google+ account | 14:59 |
| seb128 | like it doesn't let me start a public hangout without inviting people | 14:59 |
| seb128 | mhall119, can anyone host? ;-) | 14:59 |
| mhall119 | seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions has new instructions | 14:59 |
| mhall119 | seb128: only track leads or the session's creator | 15:00 |
| seb128 | mhall119, ok, so __lucio___ can host that one? | 15:00 |
| mhall119 | seb128: if you follow the instructions above, you can create the hangout without inviting people | 15:00 |
| seb128 | __lucio___, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions | 15:00 |
| __lucio___ | seb128: tried that one, wants me to create a youtube channel and do sms validation (which most likely won't work in .ar) | 15:01 |
| seb128 | mhall119, I did what's on there, but on step 8 I guess a dialog asking me if I require participants to be 18 and that let me invite people, the " | 15:01 |
| seb128 | oh, need to type "ignore" | 15:01 |
| seb128 | __lucio___, ok, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfIBh1TAock35S03zx0yBiLkrNYO_4xRNdTZxdqakCtGlUkQg?authuser=0 | 15:02 |
| seb128 | __lucio___, share with participants | 15:02 |
| __lucio___ | seb128: you rock! thanks | 15:02 |
| seb128 | __lucio___, let me know when you want to start the session so I can kick the streaming in | 15:04 |
| __lucio___ | seb128: go ahead | 15:04 |
| seb128 | done | 15:05 |
| seb128 | http://youtu.be/oU2nNF7_gU4 | 15:05 |
| aquarius | and I can see you on the web page, so you are live | 15:05 |
| * olli waves at aquarius | 15:06 | |
| __lucio___ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1311-push-notifications | 15:06 |
| __lucio___ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/service-1404-push-notifications | 15:06 |
| __lucio___ | http://people.canonical.com/~john/push.png | 15:07 |
| aquarius | heya olli | 15:09 |
| * aquarius likes http://people.canonical.com/~john/push.png :) | 15:10 | |
| aquarius | Does the PPA stuff let me run my *own* push server? Or if I want push notifications for my apps, should I just wait until they land in 14.10 or whenever? | 15:12 |
| aquarius | aha, olli has just asked my question :) | 15:12 |
| aquarius | When a notification comes into my device for my app, does the device actually *start my app*, or does it just show a notify-osd bubble without starting my app (as iOS does)? | 15:14 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: the latter | 15:14 |
| Chipaca | __lucio___: no :D | 15:15 |
| aquarius | ah, right... and tapping the bubble will start up my app. Does the bubble pass a parameter to my app with the notification text? Or is there a way to ask the notification daemon for details of all the notifications that have come in? It's really annoying on iOS where the notification daemon shows a bubble, but the app doesn't get the details of that bubble and so has to go and request from its own server! | 15:16 |
| alecu | aquarius: this looks like a job for URL dispatcher! | 15:17 |
| alecu | aquarius: ted is working on that | 15:17 |
| aquarius | alecu, being able to ask for past unread notifications for my app would be ideal | 15:17 |
| alecu | aquarius: asking the notification client, right? | 15:18 |
| aquarius | url dispatcher would let me see *the notification that created the bubble I tapped on*, which is nice, but not as nice as seeing *all* the notifications that have come in since I last checked | 15:18 |
| aquarius | yeah, having an API to ask the notification client "which notifications have come in for my app since the last time I asked" would be brilliant | 15:18 |
| lool | aquarius: it might be an incomplete view though; we could potentially drop some notifications if the device is offline for a while; but it could still be useful, I agree | 15:19 |
| lool | or perhaps we need two types of notifications | 15:19 |
| alecu | aquarius: also, I assume some kind of aggregation needs to happen client side. I don't want 83 bubbles for each mail I've not read! | 15:19 |
| lool | there can never be an unbounded commitment that you're getting all notifications ever missed though | 15:19 |
| lool | on iOS I believe the last one wins when e.g. you're setting the badge number | 15:20 |
| aquarius | lool, sure. It just infuriates me when I get a notification on iOS (for, say, a twitter message), I start my app, and my app does not know about that message and has to request it again from the internet | 15:22 |
| aquarius | Does the notification client depend on the Unity 8/etc infrastructure? That is: is it blocked from working on the desktop until Unity 8/click packages/Mir/upstart-app-launch land on the desktop? | 15:24 |
| alecu | the "how hard is GO" question was a bit misleading, because both chipaca and samuele are ultra-smart! | 15:24 |
| * Chipaca blushes | 15:24 | |
| olli | alecu, ;) | 15:24 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: the notification client depends on almost nothing | 15:24 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: it depends on libwhoopsie :) | 15:25 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: <end of list> | 15:25 |
| alecu | Chipaca: btw, what about memory usage on the client? and about shared libraries? | 15:25 |
| alecu | Chipaca: what go compiler are you using? | 15:25 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: to have it run on the desktop, you .. just run it | 15:25 |
| Chipaca | alecu: the plan 9 one | 15:25 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, cool -- how does the registration process work? | 15:25 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: if you have url dispatcher installed it'll work end to end | 15:25 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: remember no registration because only broadcast | 15:26 |
| aquarius | that is: how do I get a unique ID from my desktop device? | 15:26 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: ah! libwhoopsie does that | 15:26 |
| aquarius | oh, right, cool | 15:26 |
| __lucio___ | aaaand, we are done. | 15:26 |
| facundobatista | __lucio___, thanks! | 15:26 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: that's per-device, not per-user, for which we'll be using sso at some point soon | 15:26 |
| aquarius | so I could write a thing which pops up "hey, your phone needs updating" on my desktop? :) | 15:26 |
| __lucio___ | seb128: thanks again! | 15:26 |
| alecu | Chipaca: the plan 9? I meant gc or gccgo | 15:26 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: yes, yes you could | 15:26 |
| aquarius | thank you __lucio___, olli, everyone | 15:27 |
| __lucio___ | aquarius: hi! :) | 15:27 |
| Chipaca | alecu: gc is from plan 9 | 15:27 |
| aquarius | heya __lucio___ :) | 15:27 |
| aquarius | <childish>I want push notifications!</childish> | 15:27 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: me too! | 15:27 |
| aquarius | make them work for apps ;) | 15:27 |
| alecu | Chipaca: ah, ok. | 15:27 |
| seb128 | __lucio___, yw ;-) | 15:27 |
| alecu | Chipaca: so, you had to link all libraries statically? | 15:28 |
| __lucio___ | aquarius: hopefully next UDS we will be discussing that and promising some deadlines | 15:28 |
| aquarius | yay! | 15:28 |
| Chipaca | alecu: nope. The go libs, yes | 15:28 |
| alecu | Chipaca: I mean... did you end up using any non-go library that you had to link statically? | 15:28 |
| alecu | Chipaca: ok | 15:28 |
| Chipaca | alecu: libwhoopsie is dynamic | 15:28 |
| aquarius | I have, like, 39 ideas for apps which require push notifications :P | 15:28 |
| Chipaca | alecu: cgo lets you use C, directly | 15:29 |
| Chipaca | alecu: and the resulting binary links those libs dynamically | 15:29 |
| alecu | great | 15:29 |
| Chipaca | alecu: (look up cgo, because it might not actually be go, technically) | 15:29 |
| alecu | will do | 15:29 |
| alecu | Chipaca: last Q: (hopefully) do you have this running on arm devices? | 15:30 |
| Chipaca | alecu: yes, the ppa has an arm package | 15:30 |
| alecu | awesome | 15:30 |
| * alecu has not kept track of go in a year or so, and a lot of my worries seem fixed. | 15:31 | |
| aquarius | __lucio___, Chipaca, do you want to hear a complaint? | 15:31 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: go on then | 15:32 |
| aquarius | https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push-devs/ - last post was September. | 15:32 |
| __lucio___ | aquarius: i want to hear that there are no complaints, but i also want that to be true | 15:32 |
| __lucio___ | so go ahead | 15:32 |
| aquarius | a tiny bit more visibility into what's going on with push notifications would be nice :) | 15:32 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: it's hard to keep it going talking to oneself | 15:32 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, believe me, I understand | 15:32 |
| aquarius | been there. :) | 15:33 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: but that doesn't mean you're wrong :) | 15:33 |
| aquarius | but speaking as an Outsider now, I have no idea what's going on, and I don't want to hassle you guys, 'cos it's not scalable :P | 15:33 |
| aquarius | anyway, end of complaint. | 15:34 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, if I enable the PPA, with its Colonel Jessup warning, is it going to ruin my life and overwrite a bunch of stuff I care about? | 15:35 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: if you leave it enabled and forget about it, at some point in the next few months, it'll make your house uninsurable | 15:36 |
| aquarius | I don't care about the house ;) | 15:36 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: but today, and for the next month or so, it'll be fine | 15:36 |
| aquarius | for the next month, though, it doesn't *work*, right? I mean... it's not going to deliver any notifications yet? | 15:37 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: I promise not to break it until it's on the image | 15:37 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: i can show you how to make it work talking to your own notification server if yo wish | 15:37 |
| aquarius | or, more worryingly, is it going to deliver a notification every nine seconds saying "lucio testing please ignore"? | 15:37 |
| Chipaca | or i could write an email to the list with that | 15:37 |
| aquarius | email to the list! yes! | 15:37 |
| aquarius | giving __lucio___ the ability to pop up whatever text he likes on my desktop does not seem like the happy path to productivity for me :) | 15:38 |
| __lucio___ | nine seconds? i have load testing planned | 15:38 |
| __lucio___ | who cares about productivity when one can have fun | 15:38 |
| aquarius | oh, every nine seconds it's going to pop up *ten thousand* messages on my desktop saying "hi there! this is lucio!", eh? | 15:38 |
| * aquarius does not enable the ppa ;) | 15:39 | |
| __lucio___ | aquarius: but if we do any load testing, we will be doing it on staging, so you should not worry about that | 15:39 |
| * Chipaca hopes the client on the ppa isn't looking at staging | 15:39 | |
| pedronis_ | Chipaca: the port will change before we do load testing I think | 15:40 |
| Chipaca | \o/ | 15:40 |
| aquarius | anyway, thank you all. Looking forward to being able to play with this stuff. Chipaca, when you write that mail, I'd love to read it: feel free to nudge me with a link :) | 15:43 |
| seb128 | http://youtu.be/OZ79ea4BFuY | 16:02 |
| seb128 | ^ stream | 16:02 |
| seb128 | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdAeyzQF-o7YzDIeZuUsLC-opK3y92evk5z9mnMXkybLf2Ldw?authuser=0 | 16:02 |
| seb128 | ^ hangout | 16:02 |
| bfiller | also will be adding messaging-app in the future for sharing via MMS | 16:12 |
| seb128 | bfiller, not sure how much delay between IRC but Ken is asking who is going to work on that | 16:13 |
| mandel | kenvandine, yes, I'm dealing with uploads for mms similar to the downloads, the uploads that were just mentioned, how do they work? | 16:14 |
| bfiller | seb128: someone from my team once mms lands in the backend | 16:14 |
| bfiller | foudations working on MMS backend | 16:14 |
| bfiller | I'll add it | 16:14 |
| tedg | Do we have per-user ringtones? | 16:15 |
| tedg | i.e. call from my dentist is a drill sound | 16:15 |
| tedg | I guess that's more per-contact | 16:16 |
| mandel | kenvandine, yes, we are dealing with uploads too, and seems like we have a small overlap, right? | 16:18 |
| mandel | indeed | 16:18 |
| mandel | browser => uploads | 16:18 |
| bfiller | mandel: browser uploads won't use upload manager for now | 16:19 |
| mandel | bfiller, ah, ok :) | 16:19 |
| bfiller | mandel: but should add that next release I think | 16:19 |
| mandel | ok, I was worried that we were doing things twice | 16:19 |
| mandel | +1 | 16:19 |
| bfiller | mandel: hopefully it will be easy for us to cut over from using browser uploads to delegating to donwload manager to do the upload | 16:20 |
| mandel | bfiller, hopefully.. although a lot of webpages do use flash for uploading.. so it will be a hard problem to solve | 16:21 |
| tedg | Thanks folks! | 16:21 |
| mandel | bfiller, but we are very early in the development to think about that right now :) | 16:21 |
| bfiller | mandel: that's will be interesting | 16:21 |
| mandel | bfiller, you are better spoken than me, I would have cursed | 16:22 |
| bfiller | mandel: haha | 16:22 |
| Elleo | mandel: presumably there isn't much we can do about that on the phone since adobe seem to have pulled back from general arm flash releases? | 16:22 |
| bfiller | mandel: I'm just pretending that is a problem that we wont' have to solve :) | 16:22 |
| bfiller | Elleo: good point | 16:23 |
| bfiller | see, problem solved :) | 16:23 |
| Elleo | heh | 16:23 |
| mandel | Elleo, true, I just mentioned because a lot of pages use it, like flickr | 16:23 |
| mandel | but I agree, lets wait to see how we get downloads and then worry about uploads | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | mandel, i think most sites fallback without falsh | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | flash | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | i know flickr did last time i tried it | 16:24 |
| mandel | sweet | 16:25 |
| kenvandine | Elleo, i'm going to add an item for gallery-app switching to the QML api too | 16:27 |
| Elleo | kenvandine: okay | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | mandel, the download manager work for the transfer indicator/hub integration, who's name should i put on the work item? | 16:29 |
| kenvandine | gatox? | 16:29 |
| mandel | kenvandine, for the dbus and cpp api, me | 16:29 |
| mandel | kenvandine, for the qml changes, gatox | 16:30 |
| kenvandine | what's his launchpad id? | 16:30 |
| mandel | kenvandine, agh, he has a long one | 16:31 |
| mandel | kenvandine, diegosarmentero | 16:31 |
| mandel | kenvandine, I think, let me double check | 16:31 |
| mandel | kenvandine, https://launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero | 16:31 |
| kenvandine | thx | 16:32 |
| kenvandine | ok, i've updated the blueprint based on the etherpad, thanks everyone! | 16:37 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 16:45 |
| Elleo | great :) | 16:45 |
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| navnanav | aloha | 17:28 |
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| diegocarrera | where can i found a documentation about this push notifications? .. any URL ? | 22:32 |
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