[14:57] <didrocks> bregma: you should have the link
[14:57] <didrocks> bregma: feel free to share it :)
[14:59]  * didrocks wonders where bregma is ;)
[14:59] <bregma> just getting coffee
[14:59] <didrocks> ah ;)
[15:01] <bregma> for those who want to join https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfTAv5sma393Z-H3XAvqV8dhnFJ8L6QnmQk0Ggmd_RS7eeECg?authuser=0
[15:05] <rickspencer3> o/
[15:05] <xnox> live! =)
[15:05] <tedg> Hi didrocks!
[15:06] <CheeseBurg> You have to close the window.
[15:06] <didrocks> hey tedg :)
[15:06] <didrocks> CheeseBurg: done already, 3 minutes ago
[15:07] <didrocks> CheeseBurg: there are 3 minutes lag between the record and live
[15:07] <didrocks> I couldn't find the window, sorry for the delay ;)
[15:07] <CheeseBurg> I am way behind then, didrocks
[15:07] <bjf> didrocks, the audio is totaly not understandable, echo
[15:07] <ara> didrocks, mute yourself, please
[15:08] <didrocks> ara: this was already done (3 minutes before)
[15:08] <ara> didrocks, :)
[15:08] <didrocks> my CPU is going crazy, hence the echo I guess…
[15:08] <didrocks> as I'm hosting
[15:10] <tedg> bregma, This is mostly running the XDG Autostart stuff, right?
[15:10] <bregma> tedg, no, most are just upstart
[15:11] <tedg> bregma, Do you think they should have custom Upstart configs?
[15:11] <bregma> tedg, yes
[15:11] <bregma> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7073936/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/7073938/
[15:13] <tedg> We've done a pre-start that checks for the session to be ubuntu-touch or not.
[15:14] <tedg> That or making the start condition have an "and xsession"
[15:14] <tedg> I'm liking the pre-start condition more and more because it's a bit more flexible.
[15:14] <xnox> bailing out in pre-start is a good way here.
[15:14] <xnox> and it's not upstart, but rather upstart job =)))
[15:15] <tedg> Well, upstart is the session manager :-)
[15:16] <bschaefer> tedg, you're welcome to join in the hangout :)
[15:16] <tedg> I think the relationship between Unity-mir and powerd is being reworked.
[15:16] <bschaefer> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfTAv5sma393Z-H3XAvqV8dhnFJ8L6QnmQk0Ggmd_RS7eeECg?authuser=0
[15:17] <tedg> bschaefer, Heh that implies more involvement than I want :-)  But sure.
[15:20] <xnox> tedg: =)))
[15:21] <xnox> ..
[15:21] <xnox> are you planning to use webbrowser-app or firefox?
[15:21] <xnox> i'd expect webbrowser-app to work on unity8 session.
[15:24] <rsalveti> yeah, I'll check what is bringing hybris in
[15:24] <rsalveti> as in theory nobody should be directly installing the egl wrappers
[15:24] <rsalveti> that's what is currently breaking the desktop
[15:24] <rsalveti> video keeps freezing from time to time for me
[15:38] <xnox> The design for settings is here
[15:38] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings
[15:38] <xnox> includes desktop, phone and some tablet designs.
[15:38] <xnox> not everything is implemented.
[15:39] <xnox> i think desktop was planning to make the "phone settings app" to do "desktop" stuff on the desktop, eventually.
[15:39] <CheeseBurg> xnox: Those don't update very often.
[15:47] <rsalveti> bregma: put an action for me to investigate the issue with hybris
[15:47] <bregma> rsalveti, sure
[16:11] <cwayne> is nobody in the notepad?
[16:11] <ssweeny> seems not
[16:13] <mhr3> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/cplusplus/unity-scopes/
[16:25] <dobey> also, the updates are separate, as they are in the system-settings, not in the scope itself
[16:26] <dobey> we have that same problem with non-apps content in click packages
[16:26] <dobey> this *is* the right irc channel for the scopes session, right?
[16:26]  * ssweeny hopes so
[16:26] <facundobatista> dobey, i think so
[16:29] <jdstrand> fyi, this is the spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ScopesConfinement
[16:29] <jdstrand> we figured that scopes could access trusted helpers like location and online accounts, because those would prompt
[16:30] <jdstrand> the user asking if the access to those helpers was ok
[16:30] <jdstrand> 11:29 < jdstrand> fyi, this is the spec:
[16:30] <jdstrand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ScopesConfinement
[16:30] <jdstrand> 11:29 < jdstrand> we figured that scopes could access trusted helpers like
[16:30] <jdstrand>                   location and online accounts, because those would prompt
[16:30] <jdstrand> 11:30 < jdstrand> the user asking if the access to those helpers was ok
[16:30] <mrjazzcat> :)
[16:30] <karni> great
[16:30] <jdstrand> I think there is some question as to how that prompt would be displayed
[16:30] <facundobatista> thostr_1, the "annotations" feature you talked about is the one that allows the recommendation to point to a subdepartment of a scope?
[16:30] <jdstrand> but that is an implementation detail
[16:31] <karni> facundobatista: yes. basically, linking between scopes, departments, I believe also filtering.
[16:31] <facundobatista> karni, that is already done in the client?
[16:32] <karni> facundobatista: That is client side work, I believe. Not sure how annotations apply to smart scopes.
[16:32] <davidcalle> facundobatista, not implemented in the UI, afaik
[16:33] <karni> facundobatista: oh, you asked if this is implmeneted. ^ what davidcalle said
[16:33] <facundobatista> karni, the remote scopes scope must be able to recommend a scope/department
[16:33] <karni> facundobatista: If you can put together a question, happy to forward it to the hangout.
[16:35] <karni> facundobatista: Sadly, I'm not familiar with smart scopes :( But I ack your last point.
[16:35] <didrocks> hum
[16:36] <facundobatista> oh, I lost video!
[16:36] <facundobatista> (and audio)
[16:36] <dobey> me too
[16:36]  * mrjazzcat too
[16:36] <gatox__> hangout just die
[16:36] <cwayne> me too
[16:36] <didrocks> yeah, it's back now
[16:36] <dednick> broadcast died
[16:36] <davidcalle> Back for me
[16:36] <mrjazzcat> cool
[16:36] <karni> tnx
[16:37] <mrjazzcat> it's back
[16:37] <didrocks> my browser doesn't like when I overpromise it seems :p
[16:38] <facundobatista> karni, do we know when this "annotations" will be ready?
[16:38] <cwayne> sorry if i missed it, but did anyone discuss scopes in JS yet?
[16:38] <davidcalle> cwayne, not yet
[16:38] <karni> cwayne: thostr_1 just mentioned we only have a prototype
[16:39] <karni> facundobatista: I'll ask
[16:39] <facundobatista> karni, thanks
[16:40] <jdstrand> QUESTION: when the new scopes lands on the images (I know it is coming soon if it hasn't already), I plan to do the apparmor profile templates for local scopes with filesystem permission and local scopes with networking permission. When do we expect scope developers to be able to upload these types of scopes to the click app store? (related to the qtc point you just made)
[16:41] <davidcalle> facundobatista, I wish we could use uris like "scope://grooveshark?department=blues&q=..."
[16:44] <jdstrand> thostr_1, olli: (I had a question) ^
[16:44] <karni> I'll forward
[16:44] <jdstrand> thanks
[16:44] <karni> Facundo, then Jamie ;)
[16:45] <olli> jdstrand, ack
[16:46] <alecu> QUESTION: where can I find the "online/offline" api?
[16:47] <dobey> can whoever is typing so much, please mute yourself unless you are speaking in the hangout?
[16:48] <karni> here, it looks like everyone's muted, dobey
[16:48] <karni> most of the time
[16:48] <dobey> there was a lot of clicky sounds while people were talking, a couple times. it made it harder to understand the speaking person
[16:48] <karni> I agree, heard it too.
[16:49] <jdstrand> two weeks sounds reasonable. and you plan to start soon. ok, good, I know how to prioritize my work
[16:49] <dobey> alecu: why shouldn't they? would we do the same for content clicks vs. apps?
[16:50] <alecu> dobey: I'm not aware of what would be the story for content clicks
[16:50] <karni> alecu: seems hangouts show you muted, but you're not when you tyep
[16:50] <dobey> right, it's a general problem though. not limited to scopes vs. apps
[16:50] <karni> *type
[16:50] <alecu> weird!
[16:51] <cwayne> i dont have any questions ATM
[16:52] <dobey> how many swallows can you ship in a click package?
[16:52] <ssweeny> African or European swallows?
[16:53] <dobey> yes
[16:53] <karni> lol
[16:54] <cwayne> as long as /custom's still there im good :)
[16:54] <ssweeny> if we have clicks we might not need /custom
[16:54] <ssweeny> as long as we can install clicks
[16:54] <facundobatista> project is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rest-scopes
[16:54] <cwayne> oh right
[16:55] <cwayne> why do i keep forgetting that...
[16:55] <facundobatista> see README there, explains it all
[16:55] <cwayne> as soon as JS scopes are possible, be prepared for like 1000 from me
[16:55] <cwayne> we have that in place mhr3
[16:55]  * alecu fears the karni of darkness
[16:55] <cwayne> we click install to /custom/click
[16:56] <karni> alecu: haha
[16:56] <mrjazzcat> thank you
[16:57] <davidcalle> Thanks all
[16:57] <dobey> alecu: as long as he doesn't start singing bad rap
[17:00] <karni> facundobatista: thanks for the link
[18:13] <bregma> so there will definitely be at least one more Mir landing before Ubuntu 14.04?
[18:15] <kgunn> bregma: as stated on the video, yes, at least 1 ...probably a 2 or 3
[18:16] <kgunn> if we do 3, the third would likely be bug fix only
[18:17] <TIP> hi
[18:18] <didrocks> hey TIP