[00:15] <diddledan> not bad for a mass-appeal science programme. bang goes the theory on the iplayer from today
[00:16] <diddledan> today they were investigating electricity/the national grid
[01:27] <mapps> ah yea
[01:27] <mapps> i saw some of that earlier
[02:22] <mapps> hmm
[06:39] <WhoWhat> @find Dragonwriter
[06:49] <mapps> ;]
[06:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:57] <mapps> morning MooDoo
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> jnick_tait: new nickname? :)
[07:44] <jnick_tait> MartijnVdS, same as it ever was
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> jnick_tait: oh you're not JamesTait?
[07:48] <jnick_tait> MartijnVdS, now this is going to be as confusing for you as it was for JamesTait and I... my first name is James but I don't use it at all (other than in my IRC nick)... I'm Nick Tait
[07:49]  * MooDoo did have a head, it's just exploded.
[07:50] <mapps> can someone lend me a hand..if i make a startup script for shoutcast - shoutcast located in /home/shoutcast/shoutcast - running 2 cmds sc_serv sc_serv.conf and sc_trans sc_trans.conf ----- when i run the command it's saying unable to open log directory - the log dir is there though
[07:51] <MooDoo> put your script into pastebin so people can have a look at it.
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> mapps: is it owned by the right user?
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> mapps: and/or writable by them?
[07:53] <mapps> hmm
[07:54] <mapps> im not sure? i did update-rc.d shoutcast.sh defaults
[07:54] <mapps> so what perms would i need on the logs ? what would the script be run as
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> mapps: that all depends -- it might drop down to non-root itself (as specified in config file), or it might be started as a specific user by the init script
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> or something else completely
[08:00] <mapps> the init script i just wrote the command to launch shoutcast
[08:00] <mapps> so im a bit confused :Z
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> strace it, check if it drops privs, then check the real error code when it tries to open the log dir -- also check if that log dir is the dir you think it should be
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> strace has saved me SO often
[08:10] <mapps> il have to google it..looks comolicated:)
[08:10] <mapps> complicated
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> mapps: strace -f -o outputfile THE_COMMAND
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> then check "outputfile" for things like "uid", and "open" etc.
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> it's just a dump of all the system calls the program does
[08:13] <mapps> 2497  stat64("logs/sc_serv.log", 0xbfad7870) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[08:13] <mapps> hm
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> that's fine -- it's just checking if it's there
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> doesn't mean it can't open it :)
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> but it looks like the path is relative -- you might have to specify an absolute path
[08:13] <mapps> not sure how i can shoutcast just looks for those files when it starts
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> mapps: in the config file, probably?
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> mapps: command line options, maybe?
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> what's the current working directory? does it start fine if you do it manually (outside the init script)
[08:15] <mapps> if i run the command manually from shoutcast dir it works fine..but my scripts located elsewhere so it fails
[08:15] <mapps> so i probably do need to do like you said?
[08:15] <mapps> specify full path to the logs
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> mapps: you need to "cd" to the right directory first
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> also, make sure you don't run it as root. Running daemons as root is bad practice these days
[08:17] <mapps> duh thanks it was as easy as cd dir and then it's all fixed
[08:17] <mapps> silly me
[08:17] <mapps> and yea i should switch to user shoutcast to run it..didnt even think about it i manually start it as shoutcast
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> mapps: you can use start-stop-daemon for that, or just tell it which user to run as in an upstart script
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> upstart scripts++
[08:32] <mapps> still need to read about upstart scripts;)
[08:40] <diplo> Morning all
[08:40] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:42] <mapps> morning guys
[08:54] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Organize Your Home Office Day! :-D
[08:55] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, this is me.  jnick_tait is a mere imposter. ;)
[08:56] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, we found out about this unfortunate duplication of names when I received a plane ticket for a trip to Hungary three days later.  Imagine my surprise!
[09:04] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:06] <bashrc> I'm still on polar bear day
[09:06] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[09:09] <mapps> ;]
[09:11] <DJones> Wooo-hooo linkedin spam in the mailbox today
[09:12] <MooDoo> that's why I closed my linkedin account
[09:12] <DJones> MooDoo: The email address the spam is coming to has never been given to linkedin
[09:13] <DJones> I don't think I've ever been on the website
[09:13] <MooDoo> sigh eh!
[09:15] <DJones> Yep
[09:16] <bashrc> it must have had a From address
[09:16] <DJones> It did, it was from linkedin
[09:17] <bashrc> you could add a procmail rule and send it to /dev/null
[09:17] <DJones> Its just going to a gmail account & ends up in the junk folder anyway
[09:19] <mapps> ive never used it
[09:20] <bashrc> I did have a phase a couple of months ago where I tried using LinkedIn more regularly.  Never got any replies or conversations though, so gave up
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> people only use linkedin when they need a job
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> ime
[09:23] <foobarry> +1
[09:24] <foobarry> it's interesting when i see dormant accounts suddenly show signs of activity, i know they are looking to leave the company
[09:24] <bashrc> yes that's true
[09:24] <foobarry> a bit like sherlock and his rats
[09:31] <diplo> My boss followed me, I wish I hadn't accepted now :)
[09:32] <foobarry> just delete him now
[09:32] <foobarry> its better to accept and delete after
[09:32] <foobarry> with those awkward situations
[09:32] <diplo> Especially as I'm actively looking for a job now
[09:32] <diplo> :)
[09:32] <foobarry> because people never notice you've removed them
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> diplo: you're saying this in a publicly logged place
[09:33]  * foobarry is hiring a scientific programmer. 
[09:33] <diplo> They are not clever enough to know this MartijnVdS
[09:33] <diplo> + not knowing my nick
[09:33] <diplo> :)
[09:33] <foobarry> not even the NSA read the whole internet
[09:34] <diplo> and tbh I don't really care :)
[09:34]  * diplo wants to go back to full time sysadmin tbh
[09:34] <foobarry> he'll know when he gets a reference request
[09:34] <diplo> Yep
[09:37] <MooDoo> where you live diplo?
[09:37] <diplo> Near Bristol
[09:38] <diplo> Well Bath
[09:38] <MooDoo> ah ok
[09:38] <diplo> But most people know where Bristol is :)
[09:38] <foobarry> lot of teenagers don't know where the bath is
[09:38] <MooDoo> yesh I know was going to show you this - http://www.heartinternet.co.uk/careers but it is a long way away lol
[09:38] <diplo> heh
[09:39] <diplo> Looks a great job!
[09:40] <foobarry> just remembered my wife slipped a choc brownie in my pocket
[09:40] <diplo> If I didn't have kids I've debated moving before
[09:40] <foobarry> i know someone who commutes from bath->london 3 days a week
[09:40] <diplo> yeah my friend does, well twice a week
[09:41] <diplo> His boss comes from the west coast of wales to london!
[09:41] <diplo> And he drives!
[09:41] <foobarry> wow
[09:41] <diplo> Nutter
[09:41] <foobarry> :-\
[09:41] <foobarry> stays for the week?
[09:41] <diplo> My friend does, his boss doesn't
[09:41] <foobarry> madness
[09:42] <foobarry> no job is worth that
[09:42] <diplo> A guy I worked with at my last job drove from Birmingham to Bath everyday for about 4 years
[09:42] <diplo> EVERY day
[09:42] <diplo> He liked it, said it calmed him down after work and he didn't have to spend as much time with his wife
[09:42] <diplo> :)
[09:42] <foobarry> he's prob produced more pollution and co2 on just that alone than i'll produce in my life
[09:42] <diplo> I did bring that up
[09:43] <foobarry> marry in haste, repent at leisure
[09:44] <diplo> He's in his mid to late 50's i think
[09:44] <diplo> So too late for him :P
[09:44] <foobarry> gonna teach my son to be the person that a nice lady would want to marry
[09:44] <directhex> or a nice man!
[09:45] <MooDoo> foobarry: snap, funny I was discussing this with the wife last night :)
[09:46] <foobarry> my son is a bit obsessed with mario atm
[09:47] <foobarry> he doesn't play the wii much (1hr on sat morning doing a bit of wii bowling or mario kart), but he spends much more talking about it
[09:47] <MooDoo> minecraft here
[09:47] <foobarry> i fear he is a copy of myself
[09:49] <dwatkins> My nephew did that for a while, foobarry - he would watch playthrough videos of Mario and he knew all the secret passages
[09:49] <dwatkins> He's randomly start talking about them at the dining table, which was great fun.
[09:50] <MooDoo> I'm getting a go pro video camera as my kids are growing up far too fast.
[09:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:52] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:52] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:52] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you matey
[09:52] <brobostigon> didnt sleep very well, so tired and half a daze. and you?
[09:53] <foobarry> go pro seem to aggressively market their product as a brandname everyone refers to like hoover, ipod
[09:53] <foobarry> dwatkins: is your nephew diagnosed aspie at all?
[09:54] <foobarry> my son exhibits certain traits but not others, he could be just a keen INTJ mathmo type like his dad
[10:03] <diplo> popey: Saw you mention syncthing on G+ - how are you getting on with it ?
[10:24] <foobarry> bob crow, enemy of london commuters has died
[10:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:28] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[10:44] <bashrc> who was bob crow?
[10:44] <bigcalm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Crow
[10:47] <bashrc> ah, I think I vaguely remember his name being mentioned somewhere
[10:47] <bashrc> probably we need more unions, and especially more cyberuinions
[10:48] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/435044586524663808/photo/1
[10:48] <foobarry> bashrc: ^^
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: as long as they don't end up as stupid as the US unions
[10:48] <foobarry> he had a £145k salary and lived in a council house
[10:49] <bashrc> eesh
[10:50] <bashrc> as with politicians, I think union bosses should be paid the same as the average member
[10:50] <bashrc> if their salaries were linked to average earnings then I think we'd see better politics
[10:50] <foobarry> i'm sad for his family, i'm not sad for the pointless and dispruptive strikes jsut to get more money for train monkeys
[10:51] <bigcalm> !politics
[10:51] <bigcalm> ;)
[10:53] <foobarry> meow
[10:54] <MooDoo> anyone used a go pro hero3+ ?
[11:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:05] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[11:08] <bashrc> morning davmor2
[11:08] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:10] <bashrc> anyone ever tried using GPG from within Mutt?
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: used it for ages
[11:11] <bashrc> are there any recommended key combinations?  do I need to install gpg.rc ?
[11:11] <bashrc> (using mutt-patched)
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: gpg.rc? what's that?
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> I just had a ~/.gnupg and told mutt to sign outgoing mail with my key id
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> that was all
[11:12] <bashrc> what are the muttrc commands for that?
[11:14] <bashrc> Ideally I'd like to set up a key combination to import public keys sent via email
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: that already exists I think, by default
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: just go to the attachment and press enter I think?
[11:15] <bashrc> hmm. I don't think so
[11:15] <bashrc> but maybe there is some muttrc command to do it
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: it's probably a mailcap thing then, based on mime type
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html#commands
[11:16] <bashrc> ah
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: pgp_autosign
[11:16] <bashrc> I think autosign is only for outgoing mail
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: it is, and you want tat.
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: it'll automatically (try to) decrypt incoming mail when you open it
[11:17] <bashrc> Ideally I'd like something such as an autoimport for GPG public keys
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> that's a ~/.gnupg/ config setting, to retrieve unknown keys. But that makes your keyring HUGE, FAST
[11:18] <bashrc> maybe just a mutt key combination then to make importing easy
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: Make a macro that does something like "| gpg --import"
[11:19] <bashrc> indeed
[11:19] <foobarry> bigcalm: i like that when you go to ##politics-uk it is just brobostigon sitting in the corner reading a book
[11:20] <bashrc> :)
[11:20] <brobostigon> yes, it has been quiet for a while.
[11:20] <bashrc> (tumbleweeds roll by)
[11:22] <foobarry> i heard someone call dogecoin "doje coin"
[11:23] <MooDoo> bashrc: tumbleweed.popey.com
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: that's how you pronounce "Doge", especially if you mean the ruler of Venice kind ;)
[11:23] <foobarry> soundtrack to amelie is the best working music
[11:23] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: but the dog kind
[11:27] <bashrc> such pronounciation. wow
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> very venice
[11:59] <foobarry> why i am getting so many job applications from norway lately
[11:59] <foobarry> something i should know?
[11:59] <foobarry> is norway closing down?
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> Norway is being discontinued.
[12:02] <foobarry> are they going to opensource it?
[12:02] <foobarry> release the code before you shut !
[12:05] <foobarry> o365 broke for ipv6 users for 2 days
[12:05] <foobarry> "As a work-around to the Outlook client, customers could disable IPV6 on their local machines and try re-establishing connection. "
[12:06] <foobarry> 2.5 days.
[12:06] <TwistedLucidity> And productivity increased?
[12:06] <foobarry> not everyone has ipv4 and ipv6.
[12:07] <TwistedLucidity> Tell me, can o365 handles datetimes? As in, does it know what "2014/01/02 03:04:05 +0100" is or (like Excel) does it just barf?
[12:09] <foobarry> we have o365 but without the office bit LOL
[12:12] <BigRedS_> what's the rest of it?
[12:12] <foobarry> email
[12:12] <foobarry> which works poorly
[12:13] <foobarry> its basically hotmail but worse
[12:14] <BigRedS_> oh, I did sign up for a outlook.com account but I've not actually started using it yet
[12:14] <BigRedS_> what does it get wrong?
[12:14] <foobarry> yeah, i bagged the best names x 10 and then promptly forgot
[12:15] <foobarry> imap is a massive fail, shared folders massive fail, activesync requires full admin rights on your phone, service breaks *a lot*, reliance upon onsite servers here too(our problem, but double the risk)
[12:15] <foobarry> basically i now have a worse service and the calendar is afwul and won't export to gmail either
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: but if you only used Outlook! It would work!
[12:16] <foobarry> also i forwarded a meeting invitation  message the other day to someone (just the plain text) and for some reason it emailed the oringinal 40 recipients with my disparaging remarks
[12:17] <foobarry> outlook ...non e posibile
[12:17] <foobarry> haven't used the windows since early millenium
[12:18] <foobarry> except for vsphere client
[12:18] <BigRedS_> the imap doesn't work? I'm not interested in activesync or pretending it's google
[12:18] <foobarry> its really faily
[12:19] <BigRedS_> part of the point was to see if being more pretty than Google translated a less crap UX
[12:19] <foobarry> every other message i send via TB, TB cannot save it in sent folder
[12:19] <BigRedS_> as in the service goes down a lot?
[12:19] <foobarry> the imap implemenetation is so buggy its almost useless
[12:19] <foobarry> also take 30s+ to send a message
[12:19] <foobarry> often times out with error
[12:19] <BigRedS_> that's SMTP, though
[12:20] <foobarry> yes, i've never seen it like that before
[12:20] <foobarry> also, cannot do shared folders
[12:20] <foobarry> have to set up multiple accounts
[12:20] <foobarry> its just horrid
[12:21] <foobarry> if you are exclusively webmail , you'll notice a few features that are missing
[12:21] <foobarry> but it will generally work if you are happy with that
[12:21] <BigRedS_> I'm mostly interested in one imap mailbox
[12:21] <BigRedS_> with occasional webmail and a calendar
[12:21] <foobarry> i've never had imap problems ever...until o365
[12:21] <foobarry> you won't get the calendar into TB
[12:21] <BigRedS_> and much as I'd *like* my calendar on my desktop that's not really something that fits with 21st century linux desktop
[12:21] <foobarry> or you might for a week or so
[12:22] <foobarry> there is a plugin
[12:22] <BigRedS_> I don't use TB and there's nothing much else that does iCal apart from the less good Evolution
[12:22] <foobarry> but its sucky
[12:22] <foobarry> what will you use for imap? mutt?
[12:22] <BigRedS_> claws
[12:22] <foobarry> try it. but you will get the same sucky sent folder problem
[12:23] <BigRedS_> well, I use TB sometimes and claws most of the time. But I've mostly given up on doing calendar-on-the-desktop because that's even worse than mail-on-the-desktop these days
[12:23] <davmor2> BigRedS_: claws has a calendar plugin
[12:23] <davmor2> BigRedS_: it's not pretty but it works
[12:24] <BigRedS_> davmor2: yeah, but it can't do "show me the next X weeks" so for the second half of a month it's pretty clunky
[12:24] <foobarry> down to my last 10 cvs
[12:24] <foobarry> man this is tiring
[12:24] <davmor2> BigRedS_: I did say it's not pretty
[12:25] <BigRedS_> davmor2: I'm not arguing :)
[12:25] <foobarry> the o365 webcalendar sucks vs gmail one
[12:25] <foobarry> you want to drag a selection and add an appt between 3-5
[12:25] <foobarry> but no.
[12:25] <davmor2> BigRedS_: and iirc you just get day week month and year views
[12:25] <foobarry> you have to click new appt and type it in
[12:26] <BigRedS_> davmor2: is that the outlook one that does that?
[12:26] <BigRedS_> bah, I can't remember the email address *or* the password for this outlook account
[12:27] <davmor2> BigRedS_: ah no sorry I didn't see outlook in there
[12:27] <BigRedS> davmor2: ah yeah, I know the claws one only does those views
[12:27] <BigRedS> tbird does more, including "the next few weeks" but it's also got a weird obsession with HTML mail and line wrapping
[12:58] <foobarry> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/automate-tasks-in-linux-using-actionaz.html
[12:58] <foobarry> nice
[13:00] <mapps> boo had to turn my pc off
[13:00] <mapps> dont wanna leave it on while im not here;/
[13:01] <foobarry> where you going?
[13:01] <mapps> just going back to my dads
[13:02] <foobarry> at least you can apt-get latest kernels
[13:03] <mapps> argh
[13:03] <mapps> just noticed my passport form my counter signature
[13:03] <mapps> has put shes known me 5 years..and shes a teacher etc
[13:03] <mapps> but not put how
[13:03] <mapps> bollocks
[13:03] <mapps> oops sorry my language
[13:03] <dramen> Can anyone please help me to fix my grep command?
[13:04] <mapps> fix it? whats up
[13:04] <dramen> I type grep ch->spl[4] * and basically its stuck ch->spl[4] infront of every search and spams the heck out of me :/
[13:05] <dramen> [:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:act_wiz.c:           if ( vch->timer > 0 ) <-- that for example but all over my code
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> dramen: the '>' is special in shell, you'll have to escape it. I think [ and ] as well
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> dramen: either put the thing you're searchgin for in 'single quotes' or prefix the \"offenders\" with \backslashes
[13:06] <dramen> Trouble is how do i escape it :(
[13:09] <bigcalm> Back from a house viewing that we instantly want to buy
[13:09] <bigcalm> Bugger
[13:09] <foobarry> great
[13:09] <foobarry> no?
[13:09] <bigcalm> We've only viewed 3 houses so far
[13:09] <mapps> thats good isnt it
[13:09] <bigcalm> Another 2 to view this week
[13:09] <mapps> less hassle
[13:10] <bigcalm> Sure. But it means that we might actually be moving soon
[13:10] <mapps> is it warm enough for shorts outside
[13:10] <foobarry> no
[13:10] <mapps> or will i look like a loon hmm
[13:10] <mapps> oh
[13:10] <foobarry> very no
[13:10] <mapps> just sunny then?
[13:10] <foobarry> not even that
[13:11] <bigcalm> It's very sunny and warm in TF10. But I wouldn't go out in short
[13:11] <bigcalm> s
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> it's 15ish degrees here
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> and the sun is out!
[13:12] <bigcalm> One negative is that the house doesn't have virginmedia, but the street does
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> weird
[13:12] <bigcalm> So it'd mean digging up the driveway
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> or luddite owners?
[13:13] <bigcalm> Not weird. The owners didn't want it when it was on offer
[13:13] <bigcalm> They didn't want the drive way dug up
[13:13] <bigcalm> They get 12mb with ADSL. I wonder if it'll be enough for me
[13:13] <bigcalm> I'm used to 60mb though...
[13:14] <mapps> gah
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: my neighbor's house is for sale. It has fibre ;)
[13:14] <mapps> only got 15ins till i gotta go
[13:14] <mapps> train at 14;15 first class :DDDD free food..yessssss
[13:14] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'm guessing it'll be a little outside the area we're looking ;)
[13:14] <foobarry> the streets got dug up for telewest many years ago
[13:15] <mapps> would they have to dig the drive up bigcalm ? i thought thats what they did when we got NTL
[13:15] <mapps> yea
[13:15] <foobarry> or cable london in my area
[13:15] <mapps> if a street doesnt have it it wont get it now i think..the dont do new areas..but if a street has it and your property dont its diff
[13:15] <foobarry> shonky quality
[13:15] <mapps> we were in the NTL region
[13:15] <mapps> blueyonder was north wasnt it?
[13:15] <mapps> where did telewest cover
[13:15] <foobarry> there's water pipes etc gonig to the house, i'm sure they can squeeze a small fibre tube
[13:16] <foobarry> they never dug up our front garden
[13:16] <mapps> oh
[13:16] <mapps> i thought they did for us
[13:16] <mapps> cant remember though was like 15 years ago?
[13:16] <foobarry> they dug the road but not the drive/graden
[13:16] <mapps> ive got a strange feeling they dug our front garden up
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> mapps: good thing they didn't find the bodies :)
[13:17] <mapps> :D
[13:17] <mapps> urgh i had like 3 hours sleep
[13:17] <foobarry> they are in the back
[13:17] <mapps> now its a 30min walk
[13:17] <mapps> 1hr30 train then underground then a wait for a lift
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> you're going on a train to end up on a lift?!
[13:18] <foobarry> nice https://github.com/np1/mps-youtube
[13:19] <mapps> wait for a lift home;p
[13:19] <mapps> a drive then
[13:19] <mapps> heh
[13:24] <mapps> back in a bit!
[13:31] <dramen> [13:05] <MartijnVdS> dramen: the '>' is special in shell, you'll have to escape it. I think [ and ] as well <-- id ont get how to escape this :(
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> dramen: read my next line :)
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> dramen: either put the entire thing in quotes ('like this') or put a "\" before every special character (like-\>this)
[13:33] <dramen> I understand that for further greps to find the special characters the problem is atm is i type grep spell * i still get the spl[4]:act_wiz.c problem
[13:34] <dramen> This is what i mean (apologies for the spam)
[13:34] <dramen>    spell_remove_curse( skill_lookup( "remove curse" ), ch->level, ch, ch ); spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4]:spl[4
[13:35] <bigcalm> o.O
[13:35] <foobarry> did you reset your terminal
[13:35] <foobarry> open a new one
[13:35] <dramen> I rebooted the entire machine >.<
[13:35] <foobarry> do a pastebin of the entire stuff you are typing in
[13:35] <foobarry> from a fresh terminal
[13:36] <dramen> Fresh terminal and i type this
[13:36] <dramen> grep spell *
[13:36] <foobarry> paste it into pastbin
[13:36] <dramen> Thats all i am typing
[13:36] <foobarry> ls
[13:36] <foobarry> what's in the dir
[13:36] <dramen> oooo now we are getting somewhere
[13:37] <dramen>  [           act_move.c  board.h      comm.c   desc_map.c  interp.c     magic.c    obj        spl[4] [4]         act_obj.c   changes.c    const.c  fight.c     kav_fight.c  Makefile   olc.c      startup [4}         act_wiz.c   clan.c       core.c   godwars     kav_info.c   merc.h     rot_wiz.c  string.c act_comm.c  bit.c       clan.c.save  db.c     handler.c   kav_wiz.c    more.c     save.c     update.c act_info.c  board.c     colordef
[13:37] <foobarry> yeah
[13:37] <foobarry> wanna remove those
[13:37] <dramen> will do and let you know what happens, ty foobarry :)
[13:37] <foobarry> np
[13:38] <foobarry> be careful removing them
[13:38] <foobarry> maybe from a gui
[13:38] <dramen> Its not was all me, thank-you SO much fooBarry!
[13:38] <dramen> All fixed now and really appreciate it as it was driving me crazy!
[13:39] <foobarry> no prob. just need to be methodical about what is happening, usually fixes the issue
[13:39] <dramen> Or not be stupid in the first place ;)
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> that helps :P
[13:43] <dramen> hee hee but at least i have learnt something now and i knwo how to avoid the problem in the firs tplace and how to repair it in the second place if i do mess up :) thanks guys
[14:25] <bigcalm> Anybody here got BT Infinity?
[14:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: why you thinking about changing ?
[14:28] <BigRedS> bigcalm: I do
[14:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: not if I can help it. I want to stick with VM. But the house we looked at today doesn't have VM to the house (though it is in the street)
[14:29] <bigcalm> BigRedS: what's your impression of it? Do you have your TV via BT as well?
[14:29] <davmor2> if it is in the street then you would just need to pay the moving fee of how ever much iirc and all your numbers etc move with you :)
[14:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: it would mean having the drive dug up as well
[14:31] <BigRedS> bigcalm: seems pretty good
[14:31] <BigRedS> nah, no telly
[14:31] <BigRedS> we've had no issues since we got it but I can't remember when that was
[14:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah but that is at there cost :)
[14:32] <bigcalm> I need to be online instantly. I guess my phone would make do until whatever is in place
[14:32] <bigcalm> By moving, we will lose our mates rates, so looking at what else is out there is wise
[14:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: s/there/their/ ?
[14:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: you understood what I meant :P
[14:33] <bigcalm> Are you sure about that? I haven't found their documentation for it yet. Closest I've come is http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Up-to-30Mb-Setup-Equipment/Want-Cable-been-told-it-s-not-available-We-might-be-able-to-help/td-p/20585 - but all of the links are dead
[14:34] <directhex> i'm on infinity
[14:34] <bigcalm> What speeds are you getting?
[14:35] <directhex> um... 76/16 or thereabouts
[14:36] <bigcalm> Noticed your IP change much?
[14:36] <directhex> no
[14:36] <bigcalm> (I'm assuming that it's dynamic allocation)
[14:36] <bigcalm> I wonder which major ISP will roll out IPv6 1st
[14:39] <directhex> Testing download speed........................................
[14:39] <directhex> Download: 67.39 Mbit/s
[14:39] <directhex> Testing upload speed..................................................
[14:39] <directhex> Upload: 17.47 Mbit/s
[14:39] <bigcalm> Nice
[14:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://store.virginmedia.com/special-offers/Movers.html?buspart=DM_236
[14:50] <bigcalm> davmor2: ta, but it doesn't say anything about digging up driveways :)
[14:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: get in touch with them and see then :P
[14:55] <bigcalm> I want to get back to our IFA and see what mortgage we can get.
[14:55] <bigcalm> Getting restless now
[15:00] <davmor2> In my head right now is a song the words oooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh-lllllllllaaaaaaaaa
[15:01] <davmor2> MooDoo, MartijnVdS: The chances of anything coming from mars......
[15:02] <philwyett> bigcalm: If you switch to fibre with someone like BT. You would most likely get fibre to the cabinet and the connection brought in on the normal phone. Fibre with out the digging up of your drive.
[15:06] <bigcalm> philwyett: indeed
[15:17] <root> hy
[15:18] <root> hello
[15:21] <foobarry> davmor2: drinking in LA?
[15:22] <davmor2> foobarry: no I'm in wolverhampton
[15:22] <foobarry> davmor2> In my head right now is a song the words oooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh-lllllllllaaaaaaaaa
[15:24] <davmor2> foobarry: no the other line in there is "The chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one they said"
[15:35] <foobarry>  bran van 3000 - Drinkin in LA
[15:35] <foobarry> now playing on mps-youtube
[18:11] <DJones> Heh, have to laugh at this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-26525149
[19:14] <mapps> yo
[19:14] <mapps> im back
[19:14] <mapps> now i have the choice of FTC or Virgin:D
[19:15] <mapps> back at home 6mbit crappy dsl only..so unfair
[19:54]  * zenpho waves hi
[19:56] <Sindbad> Hi anyone knows how I can order a system76 laptop in UK?
[19:58] <zenpho> alas i don't sorry Sindbad
[19:58] <zenpho> someone else might i hope
[19:59] <daftykins> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140017
[20:00] <daftykins> "System76 in UK"
[20:04] <daftykins> DJones: makes you wonder doesn't it ;)
[21:33] <sebsebseb>  
[23:00]  * zenpho gotta go - g'night all!