[00:01] <dura-zell> Beldar: I didn't change the machine. It worked for over a year. I just reinstalled it.
[00:01] <dura-zell> minimec: yes. thats what I'm looking at right now.
[00:01] <guest175935> !nick dod1
[00:02] <dura-zell> machinespecs: intel core2duo @3ghz / 2gb ram / 1.5tb harddisk / nvidia gf7800 graphics /
[00:03] <dura-zell> and tv tuner cards (hauppauge wintv hvr1300 )
[00:04] <melt7777> dpkg-reconfigure plymouth
[00:04] <minimec> dura-zell: The content of /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /var/log/syslog would probably be a good start.
[00:04] <OerHeks> dura-zell, did you previously install intel-microcode or AMD64-microcode package ?
[00:04] <dura-zell> minimec: tell me how to get them. the machine hangs and i can't get a terminal
[00:04] <dura-zell> OerHeks: none that i'm aware of.
[00:05] <OerHeks> !info intel-microcode
[00:05] <OerHeks> the part 'microcode' triggerd me
[00:06] <dura-zell> do i have to install this manually or does some part of ubuntu / update manager install it automatically?
[00:06] <minimec> dura-zell: Well first, I would indeed unplug all peripheral devices...
[00:06] <dura-zell> hang on
[00:07] <dura-zell> periphal:
[00:07] <dura-zell> only monitor and kyboard are plugged in right now
[00:09] <minimec> dura-zell: Ok. And in this configuration you cannot boot at all? That's odd. Because with a default ubuntu installation you do not have a ssh server installed, so we cannot try to login to the machine with a different computer.
[00:10] <basketball>  the terminal opens briefly with no prompt, then immediately closes again
[00:10] <dura-zell> i have ssh server installed. this is (normally) a headless box wich resides in a rack in the basement and is used for recording tv and similar things
[00:10] <dura-zell> but: the machine doesn't boot to a point where it starts any services (like ssh)
[00:11] <minimec> dura-zell: Ok. So we could try to connect to that machine, hoping that the network is up.... Did you try that?
[00:11] <dura-zell> it isn't up. the machine doesn't respond to ping and ssh user@ip times out
[00:14] <minimec> dura-zell: Well... It's difficult to debug, if we don't even have the chance to do so... Is that an ubuntu server installation? I wonder why the live CD would boot, but the installed system wouldn't.
[00:15] <dura-zell> i know. thats the reason i'm here. I tried got get this running whe whole day :-(
[00:16] <minimec> dura-zell: OK. If you boot up the live CD without installing, you should have acces to the log files on the harddisk, right?
[00:16] <dura-zell> yes. wait a minute
[00:20] <dura-zell> while i'm waiting: I uploaded a screenshot from the hang. i hope it's ok to post a link: http://postimg.org/image/mtcnngf4h/
[00:25] <emacer> does anyone know how to fix a problem with linking to boost::regex when using CMake on ubuntu 13.10?
[00:26] <centrx> "a problem"
[00:27] <emacer> centrx, as in,    Unable to find the requested Boost libraries.
[00:27] <centrx> emacer, Do you have the -dev package(s) installed for headers/development files?
[00:27] <emacer> until I added boost::regex into my code, linking to the rest of boost worked fine
[00:28] <centrx> emacer, boost::regex is probably in a separate package
[00:28] <emacer> I can use boost::algorithm and boost::string just fine
[00:28] <emacer> centrx, Correct, but CMake autoconfigures that for you.
[00:29] <emacer> I didn't have to say anything about boost whatsoever for it to automatically find and link the correct libraries for the other parts of boost that I'm using.
[00:29] <centrx> emacer, Not if they're not installed.
[00:29] <roasted> hello friends
[00:29] <emacer> centrx, they're installed
[00:30] <emacer> google seems to indicate that it may be a bug in 13.10, but the information is sparse
[00:30] <roasted> Question - I'm running 13.10. Every now and then my notifications for things like Rhythmbox and Empathy simply stop working. Volume and wireless indicators work fine, but everything else kind of stops. At random just now I noticed they stopped working during a conversation on Empathy. Has anybody seen anything like this? I tried reinstalling notify-osd but it made no change.
[00:32] <emacer> centrx, similar issue: http://answers.gazebosim.org/question/4915/tons-of-errors-building-gazebo-on-ubuntu-1310/
[00:34] <Beldar> roasted, Didn't a desktop restart or reset fix this?
[00:36] <roasted> Beldar: sometimes restarts fix it. not always.
[00:36] <roasted> Beldar: it's insanely frustrating. Happens out of no where without warning, no errors.
[00:37] <roasted> makes me want to put 14.04 and see how things go, but I'm somewhat hesitant to given the fact this is a work laptop.
[00:38] <Beldar> roasted, Have you modify the desktop...IE themes...etc?
[00:38] <Beldar> or compiz mods
[00:43] <dura-zell> here are some logfiles: Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7070917/
[00:43] <dura-zell> kern.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7070911/
[00:43] <dura-zell> i hope this helps as this is driving me nuts...
[00:44] <roasted> Beldar: sorry - didn't realize you  highlighted me because (LOL) no notifications. Last night you and I talked and suspected that Unity Tweak Tool might be acting up since I DID tweak my desktop with Unity Tweak Tool. Last night after our conversation concluded, on a 100% fresh stock instance of Unity, the lack of notifications came up yet again.
[00:44] <roasted> Beldar: likewise, if this was an issue with Unity Tweak Tool, you'd suspect far more people than, well, just me would be having issues. It's continually listed on the top 10 things to do after installing Ubuntu articles all over the web.
[00:45] <roasted> Beldar: but as mentioned, it happened again without unity tweak tool at all, so... it kind of wipes that slate clear.
[00:45] <souusek> hola
[00:46] <minimec> dura-zell: Ok. So in the kern.log you see that there is a problem with the cx88 driver. That's the wintv device.
[00:47] <dura-zell> ok, bwhat can i do about it
[00:47] <THeNine> Can anyone help me change the colors of my scroll bars? I am using the FlatStudioDark theme and I have switched the primary theme color from blue to orange. I just can't figure out how to change the colors of the scroll bars.
[00:48] <minimec> dura-zell: Is that a internal card or usb device?
[00:49] <dura-zell> its a pci card. i have three of them installed
[00:49] <Beldar> roasted, That was my curiosity, dose it work ever, lol, sounds like a bug although I can't find it.
[00:50] <roasted> Beldar: I could not find *ANY* discussion of this anywhere else.
[00:51] <roasted> Beldar: I searched bug reports, forums, you name it. Best I found was articles of people asking how to alter the notifications, but not complaining that they simply stop working as I'm experiencing.
[00:52] <Beldar> THeNine, I found this make sure you leave a trail when editing. http://askubuntu.com/questions/103246/how-to-change-the-color-of-the-scroll-bar
[00:52] <THeNine> Thanks Beldar! Ill check that out
[00:53] <Beldar> roasted, I wonder if a simpler desktop like lubuntu would at least take care of it now.
[00:53] <minimec> dura-zell: That could explain the resource conflict we get... I would maybe start with one card only, then add a 2nd one. Also there are some configuration options for the cx88 driver you can use to configure the device. You put them in /etc/modprobe.d/cx88.conf
[00:54] <roasted> Beldar: yeah I'm not doing that. :<
[00:54] <roasted> Beldar: I'd do 14.04 beta before I touched Lubuntu.
[00:54] <centrx> roasted, What's wrong with lubuntu?
[00:55] <dura-zell> minimec: regarding ressource conflict: this setup worked fine for a long time. how comes having a conflict suddenly? - i'll have a look into the options...
[00:56] <minimec> dura-zell: I don't know different kernel with different cx88 driver?
[00:56] <roasted> centrx: I just don't care for Lubuntu.
[00:57] <dura-zell> minimec: this is ridiculous *g*
[00:58] <Ntemis> hello
[00:58] <minimec> dura-zell: Don't hang me on that, but if you didn't change the hardware setup, the problem has to come from the software side.. Well ... I guess so.
[00:58] <Ntemis> need help with removing kernels
[00:58] <Beldar> roasted, With 13.10 you have cinnamon in the repos and others, if you apt install you can save that install list and remove at your leisure.
[00:59] <minimec> dura-zell: ... or one of these tv cards died on you...
[01:00] <dura-zell> minimec: I found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1754749.html
[01:01] <tomreyn> Ntemis: hi, what exactly do you need help with / what are you trying to do, and why?
[01:01] <dura-zell> how do I prevent my system from loading  cx88_alsa on boot (it is for analogue tv wich i don't need)
[01:01] <Beldar> Ntemis, several ways take a look here. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=remove+kernels
[01:01] <roasted> Beldar: thanks, I'm aware - but I'll continue using Unity. I'll either find out what's causing this or try my luck with 14.04.
[01:01] <Ntemis> tomreyn: make space on my server nand
[01:01] <Ntemis>  Usage of /:   91.9% of 3.31GB
[01:02] <Ntemis> ls /boot/vmlinuz*
[01:02] <kamil_> are browser here ?
[01:02] <Ntemis> /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-40-generic  /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-45-generic
[01:02] <Ntemis> /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-41-generic  /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-46-generic
[01:02] <Ntemis> /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-42-generic  /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-47-generic
[01:02] <tomreyn> !paste | Ntemis
[01:02] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: Hey I took a look at my xorg.0.log I think I found that problem do you have some time to take a look at it?
[01:02] <Ntemis> it was only 3 lines :p
[01:02] <kamil_> browser ?
[01:03] <kamil_> i was in school
[01:03] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: pastebin it
[01:03] <minimec> dura-zell: Well ok. You could try to blacklist the cx88_alsa module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf with your live CD, and try to boot the system again.
[01:03] <Ntemis> tomreyn: sudo apt-get purge vmlinuz-3.5.0-4x-generic ok?
[01:03] <dura-zell> i'll do it, hang on
[01:04] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: keeps saying a bunch of things are not found http://paste.ubuntu.com/7070983/
[01:04] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: here is the xorg.error log. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7070988/
[01:05] <Psil0Cybin> it ends up booting after a few restart attempts so it seems to be a lazy driver, or something causing it on and off.
[01:05] <tomreyn> Ntemis: if you want to delete all of them, replace 'x' by '[0-9]' in your commandline
[01:05] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: FBDEV <- its loading a framebuffer driver. can you also grab the relevant dmesg
[01:06] <Ntemis> i have a problem though
[01:06] <Psil0Cybin> where would that be sorry hitsujiTMO :D I am learning still
[01:06] <tomreyn> Ntemis: here's one solution to it: http://pastebin.com/qWXfzgxX
[01:06] <Ntemis> i need to run apt-get -f install for unmet depen. and i have no space :(
[01:06] <Ntemis> any help appreciated
[01:07] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin:  PowerVR SGX <- THIS is your problem me thinks
[01:07] <tomreyn> Ntemis: use dpkg --purge package
[01:07] <dura-zell> minimec: nope. it hangs again
[01:07] <Ntemis> dont let me do anything untill i run -f
[01:07] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: this a netbook?
[01:07] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: Is there something I can do to ty and solve that? What is that problem? Yes it is a netbook acer aspire one. D270
[01:07] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: with intel atom?
[01:07] <Psil0Cybin> yup
[01:07] <Psil0Cybin> works fine with Xubuntu 12.04 usually
[01:07] <tomreyn> Ntemis: dpkg != apt-get
[01:08] <Ntemis> am toast
[01:08] <Ntemis> no space for -f install
[01:08] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: I recently learned I cannot use kernels that use pae, with my graphic driver, due to silly coding lmao when it comes to installing, could this be similar? Is there something I can do to attempt to resolve this, do you think :D
[01:08] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: try upping to a later lts enablement stack. the powervr drivers suck. a newer one was added in a later stack so it might work better
[01:09] <tomreyn> Ntemis: are you reading me?
[01:09] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: sorry I am still semi newb like, what would it mean to up your lts enablement stack.
[01:09] <Ntemis> ?
[01:09] <Psil0Cybin> is that like a kernel upgrade?
[01:09] <tomreyn> Ntemis: <tomreyn> Ntemis: use dpkg --purge package
[01:09] <Droxduck> I would like help with setting up a vps server
[01:10] <Ntemis> it doesnt let me purge anything
[01:10] <tomreyn> Ntemis: what is "it"?
[01:10] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack switch to the saucy enablement stack. it includes the kernel + xorg from saucy (but you still run precise)
[01:10] <Psil0Cybin> Oh neat thanks I shall try this now.
[01:10] <Ntemis> tomreyn: http://pastebin.com/ZhMbvtAQ
[01:11] <Psil0Cybin> sorry hitsujiTMO I am reading the guide so I would just run a command similar to this "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-quantal xserver-xorg-lts-quantal libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-quantal"
[01:11] <Psil0Cybin> or would it entail more work?
[01:11] <Ntemis> dont let me purge anything before i run -f
[01:11] <dura-zell> minimec: it boots when i remove ALL capture cards.
[01:11] <Ntemis> and i cant run -f as it fails with no space left
[01:12] <tomreyn> Ntemis: i'm aware that you are in a situation which you can't recover from by using apt-get, so i'm not saying you should use apt-get but dpkg
[01:12] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: use the saucy one: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-saucy xserver-xorg-lts-saucy libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-saucy
[01:12] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: " These enablement stacks are only intended for use on x86 hardware at this time" I am using 32 bit.
[01:12] <minimec> dura-zell: Ok. So I would try to start adding one card, make it run..., then add a 2nd one.
[01:12] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: x86 is 32bit :P
[01:13] <Psil0Cybin> ah silly me
[01:13] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: if this does not work, would this be easy to revert?
[01:14] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: no its not easy to revert. but it should work without a hitch
[01:14] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: it is also asking to remove the following packages, should that be fine? I will paste bin them
[01:14] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: that warning basically means if you're running on arm or cloud based system then there's no need to up the enablement stack
[01:14] <dura-zell> what i wanted to say was: it boots without capture cards but NOT with only one (or two or three) cards.
[01:14] <Psil0Cybin> ah :D
[01:14] <staticwarp> hi there, i'm unable to boot from a livecd or usb drive. i've detailed my experience so far here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2210412 if anyone would like to take a look and offer suggestions i'd appreciate it. :)
[01:14] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: thats the old stack its removing. thats fine
[01:15] <Psil0Cybin> alright thanks let me try this hitsujiTMO thanks again for helping me.
[01:15] <Ntemis> tomreyn: yeap THANKS it works with dpkg
[01:15] <minimec> dura-zell: Ok. Did you change the ubuntu version, or what did you change on the software side?
[01:16] <dura-zell> i changed the ubuntu version. I previously had 11.smoething, now I'm trying gut it up and running with 12.4
[01:16] <texla> Ubuntu 12.04 with grub-1.99...I need to delete one line from the display...it deletes but how do I save the rest of the entries
[01:16] <tomreyn> Ntemis: ok, once you recovered space, make sure to do run apt-get -f install
[01:17] <Beldar> texla, what line?
[01:17] <usr13> staticwarp: Try legacy boot.
[01:17] <Beldar> texla, sudo update-grub is generally run to reload the menu
[01:17] <texla> Beldar, resume=uuidxxxxxx
[01:18] <Ntemis> good!
[01:18] <Ntemis> thanks tomreyn
[01:18] <Ntemis> any update path for me for 14.04?
[01:18] <Beldar> texla, And what file are you modding?
[01:18] <Mega1> can i create a proxy server for my network if so how
[01:18] <mvr_> this morning my laptop started showing "no bootable device" when I turn it on. I've booted it onto a live usb and tried all sorts of recovery programs but it looks like every time it tries to read anything off the HD it fails. the HD shows up when I run lshw and it lists the correct size/serial number etc. is there anything I should try before sending my laptop off to be replaced?
[01:18] <texla> Beldar, modding?
[01:19] <mvr_> is there a different IRC channel better suited for this question?
[01:19] <Beldar> texla, modifying.
[01:19] <Mega1> i want to block all web sites but allow just a few
[01:19] <staticwarp> usr13: i've considered that, but from what i've read i'm concerned that legacy boot will make my current windows install unusable. my goal is to dual boot.
[01:19] <minimec> dura-zell: 12.04 would be a good choice, I agree. And if you gave 14.04 a try. Maybe it is a kernel thing. With 14.04 you would be good for quiet some time...
[01:20] <texla> Beldar, This file is in the dislay where you select the o/s
[01:20] <usr13> mvr_: You might try just un-plugging and plugging it back in again, (the HD).
[01:20] <hitsujiTMO> mvr_: can you boot a livecd and pastebin the output of: dmesg
[01:20] <tomreyn> Ntemis: welcome. if your system is currently using a lot of third party repositories, or has been doing so in the past, i'd suggest installing apt-show-versions and running "apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate". this will list all the packages which aren't part of your currently configured apt sources, or are not up to date.
[01:20] <dura-zell> i'm using mythtv and prefer to stick with the prebuilt 12.4.3 distribution wich comes with the mythbuntu-distribution
[01:20] <staticwarp> usr13: isn't legacy boot only for legacy devices like optical drives? from what i understand, versions of ubuntu from 12.04 on will boot with uefi.
[01:20] <tomreyn> Ntemis: that's a good preparatory step for a distribution upgrade
[01:20] <usr13> staticwarp: No
[01:21] <dura-zell> currently i'm trying to install 12.4.3 iso only to exclude a problem introduced by mythbuntu
[01:21] <usr13> staticwarp: Try it and see.
[01:21] <kamil_> help me to install frets on fire please
[01:21] <staticwarp> usr13: ok, thanks for clearing that up. i will try legacy boot and see what happens :)
[01:21] <Beldar> texla, If you want to modify grub and have it persist you would not do it from the grub menu. Honestly it is hard to tell what you're doing, can you share more, and end goal?
[01:22] <texla> Beldar, It is also found in grub.cfg but that file cannot be edited
[01:22] <kamil_> someone help me
[01:22] <texla> Beldar, I have to remove remove= to be able to boot
[01:23] <somsip> kamil_: what is the problem?
[01:23] <mvr_> hitsujiTMO: one second, my liveusb has been running long enough that I've run out of memory, I'll restart
[01:23] <hitsujiTMO> texla: grub.cfg is generated from /etc/grub.d/*    you would need to make your modification here
[01:23] <hitsujiTMO> mvr_: np
[01:24] <texla> Yes but the file says do not change anything ???
[01:24] <Beldar> texla, This might help. https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html
[01:24] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: after the install, i got a crash report and this was shown in terminal
[01:24] <Psil0Cybin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7071060/
[01:24] <Psil0Cybin> seems like my gfx driver does not like that kernel.
[01:25] <Droxduck> hitsujjiTMO Can you help me?
[01:25] <texla> Beldar, I have read all of that but I can remove but it shows up on next boot
[01:25] <mvr_> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/PACr2vcU
[01:25] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: seems the module needs to be rebuilt
[01:25] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: I think cedarview does not work after a certain kernel? should I attempt to restart anyway
[01:26] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: what would I reinstall via the synapse package manager?
[01:26] <Psil0Cybin> cedarview-drm?
[01:26] <Ntemis> tomreyn: you think i"ll be bootable after this? http://pastebin.com/VzJVT706
[01:26] <Psil0Cybin> I think I may have done that before to solve the problem, I think that might be the right steps
[01:27] <Beldar> texla, What have you done to grub o get here?
[01:27] <Beldar> to*
[01:27] <Beldar> texla, Any grub mods leading to this?
[01:28] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: mvr_ read_dma error can be a loose cable as usr13 suggested. try re inserting the hdd
[01:28] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: yes. try a purge + reinstall of this maybe
[01:30] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: or just purge it and try without
[01:30] <Ntemis> tomreyn: i am thank you ! Usage of /:   57.5% of 3.31GB
[01:30] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: the newer driver may solely be in the kernel/xorg stack
[01:31] <dura-zell> i think i gor it working
[01:31] <Ntemis> can i run dist-upgrade with that empty space left and work?
[01:31] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: oh wow I will try the rebuilding from synapse because I am already doing that, even if it works I will attept to remove and see what works better.
[01:31] <minimec> dura-zell: Nice! What did the trick?
[01:32] <hitsujiTMO> Droxduck: sorry, don't have enough time to talk someone thru a complete install. are you stuck on a particular issue?
[01:32] <dura-zell> blacklisting cx88_alsa, cx2388x and cx23885 (not sure if the latter two are redundant)
[01:33] <Droxduck> hitsujiTMO I'm running a vps with ubuntu installed i'll like to get fluxbox working
[01:33] <dura-zell> I'll have to check if the cards are usable though but it boots
[01:33] <minimec> dura-zell: Well... Good luck.
[01:33] <hitsujiTMO> Droxduck: why do you want a desktop environment on a server?
[01:34] <Droxduck> well something in between. Desktop is too slow for remote connections
[01:34] <hitsujiTMO> Droxduck: why not just ssh?
[01:34] <Droxduck> I'm use to windows
[01:35] <Droxduck> Ihave been using ssh
[01:35] <staticwarp> usr13: thanks, using legacy boot worked and i was able to boot from the usb drive. :) now lets hope i can get everything installed and dual booting correctly XD
[01:35] <hitsujiTMO> Droxduck: having a de wouldn't help with managing a server. everything still needs to be done via terminal
[01:36] <hitsujiTMO> Droxduck: honestly, you'll be much better off learning bash and figuring your way around with just ssh
[01:36] <dura-zell> aparently I'm able to scan for channels. very very nice!!!
[01:36] <Droxduck> hitsujiTMO what about fluxbox?
[01:36] <hitsujiTMO> staticwarp: what filesystem is the usb?
[01:36] <dura-zell> a last question: how can I prevent anything from modifying my blacklist.conf (i e during an upgrade)
[01:37] <hitsujiTMO> Droxduck: fluxbox is just a window manager. you would still just be firing up the terminal from it to do everything. it would in fact just be adding 1 more layer of complexity to your setup that you wouldn't actually need
[01:37] <john_rambo> I am running 12.04  ........ gnutls-cli (GnuTLS) 2.12.14 ........Is this the patched version ?  Confused after reading this    http://gnutls.org/security.html
[01:38] <Droxduck> hitsujiTMO: Ok bad idea
[01:38] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: so far so good! wow!
[01:38] <mvr_> hitsujiTMO: I'm afraid that didn't fix it
[01:38] <minimec> dura-zell: Just keep a copy of the file... or at least of the modifications you did. You can also create your own blacklist-cx88.conf file in the same directory.
[01:38] <hitsujiTMO> john_rambo: patched: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2127-1/
[01:38] <dura-zell> my point is: when i mount the machine in it's rack and something goes wrong i have to remove it from there to gett access to the usb ports (or to remove the cards)
[01:39] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: can you teach me how you found out what to do? How did you come to this conclusion? did you google my issue? Or you diagnosed it your self through reading the logs? Iwant to understand so I can learn more from you hitsujiTMO :D you are a god send,
[01:39] <dura-zell> so no way to make it very very permanent?
[01:39] <Droxduck> hitsujiTMO: Is there a good place to chat for a noob
[01:39] <mvr_> hitsujiTMO: is it possible the hard-drive is fine but some other bit of hardware is the problem?
[01:39] <hitsujiTMO> mvr_: then unfortunately looks like either a failed hdd or broken sata port/ chipset. you'd prob want to RMA
[01:39] <dura-zell> what do you mean "my own blacklist-cx88.conf" ?
[01:40] <staticwarp> hitsujiTMO: it is formatted to fat32.
[01:40] <john_rambo> hitsujiTMO, Thanks
[01:40] <mvr_> hitsujiTMO: thankyou for your help
[01:41] <hitsujiTMO> mvr_: if the chipset is failing (then the hdd may be intact) ... but thats usually an unlikely scenario. very rarely is it the chipset that fails
[01:41] <minimec> dura-zell: I see. Put all the changes in a blacklist-cx88.conf file and be sure that the file is in /etc/modprobe.d if you do a new installation or so.
[01:41] <kamil_> someone help me
[01:41] <Droxduck> hitsujiTMO: What sort of help cna you give?
[01:42] <hitsujiTMO> Droxduck: chat ... maybe #ubuntu-offtopic   or maybe ##linux (not sure what goes on in ##linux tho)
[01:42] <melt7777> anyone solved the "can't boot"  startpar bridge for notification of upstart job issue???
[01:42] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: after the changes that you recommended, do I need to remove anything else in order to save hd space? Or did the command I ran to install all the files remove the unnecessary ones
[01:42] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: it removed the other stack so all should be fine
[01:43] <dura-zell> i did so
[01:43] <dura-zell> thank you very much for helping. looks like i can bring the computer back into its rack now
[01:43] <dura-zell> again: thank you
[01:44] <minimec> dura-zell: That's what we are here for.
[01:44] <hitsujiTMO> Droxduck: well, if you really do want to install fluxbox then maybe have a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems . but i'd recommend learning to work from the terminal: starting maybe with bash: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html
[01:44] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: thanks again. You are very helpful.
[01:44] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: np
[01:45] <dura-zell> cu then :-)
[01:53] <kamil_> the boot
[01:56] <apb1963> any bootp fanatics here?  And perhaps just maybe intimate with dhcpdump?  I'm seeing things I just don't understand.  Like... why is my system broadcasting bootp requests?   Why is it sending them to a private address?  How is it that I'm actually getting responses?  And why won't it stop?  Here's a capture file: http://fpaste.org/84127/44894331/
[01:56] <g4nym3d3> Hello, anyone have a minute, I'm in the middle of running an upgrade to 13.10 , there is an error and nothing is happening??
[01:58] <Beldar> g4nym3d3, Can we see the error?
[01:59] <g4nym3d3> sure
[01:59] <g4nym3d3> just a minute
[02:01] <g4nym3d3> Actually when I try to copy and paste from the upgrade terminal it thinks I am doing ctrl-c to cancel instead of copy
[02:02] <g4nym3d3> it says errors encountered while processing: samba 4
[02:02] <hitsujiTMO> g4nym3d3: ctrl + shift + c to copy from gnome terminal
[02:03] <pack^> apb1963: BrightHouse Networks Bakersfield
[02:03] <g4nym3d3> Its not the gnome terminal its the 'updater' application
[02:03] <g4nym3d3> I can send a pic but not sure how to do that on IRC
[02:04] <apb1963> pack^: yes?
[02:04] <hitsujiTMO> !paste | g4nym3d3
[02:05] <g4nym3d3> ok thanks will give that a go
[02:05] <g4nym3d3> back in a minute
[02:06] <pack^> apb1963: unknown why. You will have to ask someone else.
[02:06] <uronu> How to have a back up server which is to auto replicate the server HD?
[02:07] <g4nym3d3> ok here is a pic http://imagebin.org/298421
[02:08] <falcom> what launcher do you guys use?
[02:08] <apb1963> is anyone else seeing the same behavior?  If you haven't checked, your system may be doing the same thing... run dhcpdump and see if your system is sending unending bootp requests.
[02:08] <g4nym3d3> http://imagebin.org/298423
[02:10] <g4nym3d3> http://imagebin.org/298424
[02:10] <g4nym3d3> Those are the 3 pics of the updater program and the error
[02:11] <Beldar> g4nym3d3, Have you noticed we use nicks here, you can tab complete them.
[02:12] <g4nym3d3> Beldar, sorry not sure what you mean Im not good with IRC
[02:12] <Beldar> !who | g4nym3d3
[02:13] <Beldar> g4nym3d3, You did me just now not who asked for those images is all.
[02:16] <hitsujiTMO> g4nym3d3: looks like one of the packages that downloaded during the upgrade may have been corrupt. doesn't look good to be honest
[02:17] <g4nym3d3> ubottu: Thanks ok I'm learning, here are the links that show the error I am getting while upgrading not sure what to do should I cancel the upgrade?? http://imagebin.org/298421 http://imagebin.org/298424 http://imagebin.org/298423
[02:18] <g4nym3d3> ubottu: ok thanks anyway
[02:18] <hitsujiTMO> g4nym3d3: no matter what you do now you are left with a broken system that may not boot. did you backup your system before starting the upgrade?
[02:19] <g4nym3d3> hitsujiTMO: yes is there any shortcut to skip parts of the installation and continue with the rest?
[02:19] <g4nym3d3> hitsujiTMO: no i didnt
[02:19] <hitsujiTMO> g4nym3d3: not sure to be honest. i've never actually performed an upgrade. i always installed from scratch
[02:20] <hitsujiTMO> g4nym3d3: do you have a live cd?
[02:20] <g4nym3d3> hitsujiTMO: I think I will backup some stuff while the machine is still running to be safe, maybe make a live cd just in case and then reboot
[02:21] <hitsujiTMO> g4nym3d3: sounds like a good plan.
[02:21] <g4nym3d3> hitsujiTMO: Dammit :( what a pain
[02:22] <g4nym3d3> hitsujiTMO: thanks for the tips I'm going to give that a go
[02:32] <harris_> !askubuntu
[02:36] <jack_> hhh
[02:38] <JackyWang> hello anybody here
[02:42] <kamil_> hey browser
[02:43] <doublethink> I just upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10 and now I just get a black screen when I try booting. Any thoughts how I can fix it?
[02:44] <Bashing-om> JackyWang: Hello, I at the least am here. mentally, not too sure at the present moment.
[02:45] <Kekai> I run ubuntu 12.04 LTS on a lenovo Netbook S10 Ideapad and its been extremly slow
[02:45] <Bashing-om> doublethink: Check for a proprietary graphics driver ? Got broke in the upgrade ?
[02:45] <Treaver> Hey guys, can I ask a favor that's off topic?
[02:46] <Kekai> Normally i can run chrome, Spotify, IRC, and skype with ease, but lately its been slow
[02:46] <Kekai> Sometimes I will freeze
[02:46] <doublethink> Bashing-om: I do have an AMD driver installed. I'll remove it and see if it helps.
[02:47] <Treaver> My friend that I am so in love with is going through things that no young gal should ever go through. Could everyone share this link everywhere you can ; http://www.gofundme.com/Victoria-Andrews We're trying to pay the medical bills and whenever we have done it. I'm gonna ask her to marry me. Please share the link to everyone!
[02:47] <Bashing-om> doublethink: OK, standing by.
[02:48] <doublethink> Bashing-om: When I try removing the drivers from the root prompt in recovery mode, it just tells me the FS is read-only.
[02:48] <Beldar> Kekai, Not the fastest, how much memory?
[02:48] <Kekai> Beldar I use 1GB of ram
[02:48] <Kekai> Thats what my PC is saying I have
[02:48] <Kekai> but the factory says 512mb
[02:49] <Bashing-om> doublethink: When you normally boot can you get to the GUI login -> then key combo ctl+alt+F1 to get a console ?
[02:49] <Beldar> Kekai, I would use a lighter desktop than unity (1 gig is a minimum) like lubuntu
[02:50] <doublethink> Bashing-om: I can't get any kind of GUI. As soon as I make a selection in GRUB the screen goes black. Sometimes there's a white underscore in the corner.
[02:50] <Kekai> Beldar: Its never been this slow before its always been fast
[02:51] <Kekai> Beldar: I did clean it out of the apps I never used and have preload installed
[02:52] <Bashing-om> doublethink: From the recovery consle -> mount -o remount rw / <- will remount the roor partition as read/write .
[02:52] <Pinkamena_D> Anyone knows of a program which can convert many small music files and keep the directory structure intact?
[02:52] <Beldar> Kekai, Not knowing all you have done, and this being setup on the lower end of performance, I have no real answer.
[02:53] <Bashing-om> doublethink: roor/root
[02:54] <diego_1> soundconvert
[02:54] <Kekai> When installed ubuntu 12.04 it did act funny
[02:54] <diego_1> soundconverter
[02:54] <Kekai> Beldar: When installed ubuntu 12.04 it did act funny
[02:54] <doublethink> Bashing-om: Thanks, giving it a try.
[02:55] <Kekai> Like slow and didnt want to install on the first try
[02:56] <Kekai> Beldar: Could chrome be the problem
[02:56] <doublethink> Bashing-om: Removed the drivers, same issue. It briefly shows a login prompt, then just shows _ and doesn't respond to input
[02:57] <Bashing-om> doublethink: Before you do something drastic, try the boot parameter "nomodeset" and see if that gets you to the desktop.
[02:57] <Kekai> its heading over 80% of the resources
[02:57] <doublethink> Bashing-om: Okay, trying it.
[02:58] <roasted> Is anybody having issues with their notifications not working? Mine keep working and stop working all over again throughout use with no error or anything. I can't seem to find out what is actually causing it, and what's even more difficult is trying to find someone else who is seeing the same or similar issue.
[03:01] <doublethink> Bashing-om: I got a bit further, now it shows the Ubuntu logo and freezes.
[03:04] <Kekai> so yeah
[03:04] <Kekai> Googl chrome maybe an issue but not the problem
[03:05] <Kekai> Its useing 70-80 percent of my CPU
[03:05] <doublethink> Bashing-om: I think I'm just going to do a full backup and reinstall. It worked fine until I upgraded.
[03:07] <intok> 13.10 on a Kabini using the Oibaf PPA Gallium3D OSS driver stuff. How do I fix the artifacting and get UVD and the VCE working?
[03:07] <Bashing-om> doublethink: Humm.. No other off the top of my head // what you might do is from the recovery console, edit /etc/default/grub -replace quiet splash with text, and see if you can read the boot messages.
[03:09] <Bashing-om> doublethink: Nothing wrong with a clean install .. I prefer it .. one then starts off with a clean slat. but we can still try and see what we can find that is at fault in the upgrade. (maybe)
[03:10] <doublethink> Bashing-om: Sure, thanks, I'll try that before reinstalling.
[03:11] <Bashing-om> doublethink: key combo ctl+o to pause the boot messages, ctl+s to continue (on my box) .. but gotta be fast !.
[03:11] <Kekai> How would I remove the ubuntu desktop
[03:11] <Kekai> without a clean install
[03:12] <Kekai> I have the Lubuntu desktop installed
[03:13] <anon7869> anyone here   use eos??
[03:14] <usr13> Kekai: sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:14] <rww> anon7869: eos = elementary os?
[03:14] <anon7869> yes
[03:14] <anon7869> adn how to you qoute my name??
[03:14] <rww> anon7869: support/discussion for that goes in #elementary. #ubuntu is for Ubuntu and official derivatives
[03:14] <rww> anon7869: i just typed it at the start of my message
[03:14] <doublethink> Bashing-om: Still just a black screen, no text or anything. I'm just going to do the reinstall, thanks though :)
[03:14] <anon7869> oww lol
[03:15] <anon7869> rww welp.. its base on ubuntu... and the eos chan is empty :/
[03:15] <rww> anon7869: we don't do "based on ubuntu" here, just Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.
[03:16] <Bashing-om> doublethink: That might be the fastest and best thing - with nothing to go on it is tough to find a fix. But honestly, should be able to boot to a text login unless there is a serious file issue.
[03:17] <doublethink> Bashing-om: I'm not sure. I modified the file and now it just goes completely black on boot, no _ or anything else.
[03:17] <doublethink> Bashing-om: It's not a huge hassle to reinstall so I think that's easiest!
[03:18] <Genitrust> hi everyone, i have created a bitcoin init conf so that i can do "sudo start bitcoind" to start the service
[03:18] <Genitrust> however, how do i get this service to start once the machine boots? =\
[03:18] <Bashing-om> doublethink:  OK .. For me to re-install, is but a matter of 20 minutes (good backups !).
[03:22] <doublethink> doublethink: It's about the same for me. Thanks for your help :)
[03:22] <shoelessone> Hi friends. Anybody here able to tell me if it's possible to swap alt-tab with ctrl-tab in 13.10?
[03:22] <shoelessone> I am trying to get my keyboard setup like in OSX
[03:22] <shoelessone> alt-c, alt-v for copy paste, and in general
[03:22] <usr13> !hotkeys | shoelessone
[03:23] <knightrage> hey sooo i forgot my password (yeah, total noob, i just reset it and forgot it), but i'm currently logged in... any way to reset it without giving the current password?
[03:23] <shoelessone> thanks usr13 !
[03:24] <usr13> knightrage: Nope
[03:24] <usr13> !password | knightrage
[03:24] <shoelessone> usr13, I'm not sure that'll work. I'll give it a shot. but the problem is I've swapped the key bindings in the standard system setting (the easymode setting), as well as dconf editor, but neither change takes affect.
[03:24] <shoelessone> To be more clear, the issue is that I can swap the keys
[03:24] <shoelessone> alt can swap with ctrl
[03:25] <shoelessone> I've done that with an Xmodmap
[03:25] <shoelessone> .Xmodmap file
[03:26] <usr13> shoelessone: There are a number of applications that use Ctrl and Alt combinations for different functions.  I'm not sure why you need to switch them but good luck.
[03:27] <knightrage> usr13: yeah, i saw that, but my home drive is encrypted... that makes me a little weary to change the password without doing it as my user
[03:27] <harris_> how do i get unbanned from asking and answering question ask ubuntu   i dont even know what i did wrong
[03:27] <somsip> harris_: queries to #ubuntu-ops please
[03:27] <rww> somsip: #ubuntu-ops doesn't handle askubuntu
[03:27] <shoelessone> usr13, I don't NEED to switch them, i want to switch them because I use a Mac pretty much all day and alt (command on a mac) + c and alt-v, not to mention new tag, refresh, etc, are all tihngs I'm used to doing a certain way. It'd just make my life better if I could keep the keybindings similar to a mac
[03:28] <xangua> harris_: also this channel has nothing to do with the askubuntu web
[03:28] <somsip> rww: you think he means askubuntu and not ask #ubuntu? Either way, he has the answer
[03:28] <rww> somsip: Yes, I know he does.
[03:28] <somsip> rww: ok
[03:29] <knightrage> oooo i got it, yesssss. nevermind :>
[03:29] <usr13> knightrage: I don't know about the complications involved in using encrypted filesystem, (I don't do it, do not see the need), but the bottom line is that we need to keep up with our passwords.  It is best to record them someplace before even entering them.
[03:29] <someHuman> Hello!
[03:30] <someHuman> So I have a 13.10 disc, and it shows me this video card configuration dialouge.
[03:30] <someHuman> The sucky part is, I can't even see my cursor/mouse cursor to actually try fix the problem.
[03:30] <someHuman> This is really disappointing :(
[03:31] <usr13> knightrage: If you need a password for something, create one before you start, (conforming to the rules as necessary), and then record it, (write it down in a safe place).  Do it before setting the password in the system.
[03:31] <raub> I am having a bit of a problem with ssl certs in 12.04:
[03:31] <raub> I renewed a certificate through cacert. I checked the new cert against the key using
[03:31] <raub> openssl x509 -noout -modulus -in `hostname f`.crt | openssl md5
[03:31] <usr13> knightrage: It is a pretty simple concept.
[03:31] <raub> openssl rsa -noout -modulus -in `hostname -f`.key | openssl md5
[03:31] <raub> But when I do go about to use it, I am getting errors. I can only provide what I am seeing in openlap (TLS: can't accept: Could not negotiate a supported cipher suite.).  AFAIK it also happened with apache.
[03:32] <raub> Suggestions?
[03:35] <someHuman> Hello!
[03:35] <someHuman> I have a 13.10 disc
[03:35] <someHuman> It doesn't show me any setup or anything other than video card config.
[03:35] <someHuman> Says I have to set it up my self.
[03:35] <someHuman> Halp!
[03:38] <rgenito> man this is retarded -.-
[03:39] <rgenito> ubuntu chat room
[03:39] <rgenito> no one talks
[03:40] <xangua> !ot | rgenito  this is support, not chat
[03:40] <ice9> how do I ensure text file compatibility with Windows?
[03:41] <e-vad> howdy! i'm using 12.04 via virtualbox / vagrant
[03:41] <someHuman> rgenito: IKR!
[03:41] <e-vad> an apt-get upgrade -y causes the console to start spewing strange charachters
[03:41] <e-vad> 'reset' gets me back to normal, but why would it go there in the first place?
[03:42] <Beldar> e-vad,  -y upgrade
[03:43] <e-vad> the position of the y does it?
[03:43] <Beldar> e-vad, -y is a yes on the upgrade, be careful it will run even if a partial upgrade.
[03:43] <rgenito> someHuman: @.@
[03:44] <someHuman> rgenito: Can you help me though?
[03:44] <e-vad> Beldar: i know
[03:44] <rgenito> sure wusup
[03:44] <e-vad> Beldar: my issue is the console starts spweing wingdings about midway through like it caught some escape sequence or so
[03:44] <e-vad> 'reset' fixes it and the system is happy
[03:46] <Beldar> e-vad, generally the wingdings might be crucial errors, and reset what?
[03:46] <e-vad> the command 'reset'
[03:46] <e-vad> like this: http://elfstone.nl/2009/06/29/weird-characters-in-bash/
[03:46] <e-vad> tho, instead of pressing all kinds of keys, 'reset' does it
[03:47] <e-vad> reset - initialize a terminal or query terminfo database
[03:48] <Beldar> Heh, if I could find an interest I would, sorry
[03:50] <e-vad> seems it's a grub update
[03:54] <Kekai> Any way to change themes on Lubuntu?
[03:57] <harris_> Kekai,  are these what you are looking for http://gnome-look.org/
[03:59] <harris_> Kekai,  since you arent responding here is the link http://www.maketecheasier.com/theme-up-lubuntu/
[04:00] <Kekai> okay  just found that
[04:00] <Kekai> I was int he restroom since no one was responding
[04:00] <harris_> also
[04:00] <harris_> !lubuntu | Kekai
[04:01] <Kekai> I know that
[04:01] <Kekai> I am switching to to it from Ubuntu
[04:01] <Kekai> I love lubuntu
[04:01] <harris_> Kekai,  please ask in #lubuntu
[04:01] <Kekai> just the theme is giving me a headache
[04:01] <harris_> Kekai,  this is a channel for ubuntu support
[04:02] <rww> harris_: #ubuntu supports Lubuntu and other official derivatives too.
[04:02] <Kekai> well since I am using both atm
[04:02] <harris_> Kekai,  follow that guide i gave you and that should work
[04:09] <crispin> hi there everyone!
[04:09] <crispin> I just hit a snag this morning on 13.04 up to date machine
[04:10] <crispin> python 3.3 SSL libraries appear to be broken
[04:10] <crispin> root@database:~# python3.3
[04:10] <crispin> Python 3.3.1 (default, Sep 25 2013, 19:29:01)
[04:10] <crispin> [GCC 4.7.3] on linux
[04:10] <crispin> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
[04:10] <crispin> >>> import ssl
[04:10] <crispin> Traceback (most recent call last):
[04:10] <crispin>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
[04:10] <crispin>   File "/usr/lib/python3.3/ssl.py", line 60, in <module>
[04:10] <crispin>     import _ssl             # if we can't import it, let the error propagate
[04:10] <crispin> ImportError: /usr/lib/python3.3/lib-dynload/_ssl.cpython-33m-x86_64-linux-gnu.so: symbol SSL_get0_next_proto_negotiated, version OPENSSL_1.0.1 not defined in file libssl.so.1.0.0 with link time reference
[04:10] <crispin> >>>
[04:10] <crispin> any ideas?
[04:11] <erixNICK> hey all
[04:12] <erixNICK> having trouble getting samba to run on a 12.04 LTS server.  I see that there are bugs posted,  but havent seen fix.  Can some one please shed some light on this for me
[04:12] <Kekai> how do I extract a .tar.bz2?
[04:12] <aeon-ltd> !ar
[04:13] <rww> Kekai: tar -xf filename.tar.bz2
[04:13] <crispin> Kekai: tar -xjf
[04:13] <cfhowlett_> !server|erixNICK,
[04:13] <rww> Kekai: or various GUI methods depending on desktop environment
[04:13] <harris_> sudo tar -xjvf file name
[04:13] <rww> no need for -j, tar can autodetect
[04:13] <harris_> Kekai,  ^^
[04:14] <erixNICK> thanks bot
[04:18] <crispin> ok
[04:18] <crispin> seems adaptec stormanage packages are getting in the way
[04:18] <crispin> I've removed them from /etc/ld.so.conf.d
[04:19] <crispin> rerun ldconfig
[04:19] <crispin> but ldd still shows them being linked
[04:19] <crispin> ldd /usr/lib/python3.3/lib-dynload/_ssl.cpython-33m-x86_64-linux-gnu.so
[04:19] <crispin> ldd /usr/lib/python3.3/lib-dynload/_ssl.cpython-33m-x86_64-linux-gnu.so
[04:19] <crispin> linux-vdso.so.1 =>  (0x00007fff4b5fe000) libssl.so.1.0.0 => /usr/StorMan/ssl/lib/libssl.so.1.0.0 (0x00007fbd83bb9000) libcrypto.so.1.0.0 => /usr/StorMan/ssl/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 (0x00007fbd83819000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007fbd835f5000) libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007fbd8322c000)
[04:19] <crispin>  libdl.so.2 => lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007fbd873028000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fbd84024000)
[04:19] <crispin> thats wierd
[04:19] <crispin> how do I update ldconf? ldconfig isn't cutting it
[04:19] <cfhowlett_> !paste|crispin, paste.  please.  walls of text are so unsightly.
[04:20] <crispin> sorry
[04:20] <crispin> how do I update ld search path? ld.conf and ldconfig is not working
[04:22] <sghsmorgan> how do I give permission for my Windows user to access my /media/user/harddrive owner:user and group:usergroup
[04:22] <sghsmorgan> trying to access via Samba, #samba sent me here
[04:23] <sghsmorgan> for file permission stuff
[04:23] <crispin> sghsmorgan: chmod and chown are the commands
[04:23] <crispin> sghsmorgan: man chmod
[04:24] <sghsmorgan> crispin: I ran chown -R /media/
[04:24] <sghsmorgan> oops
[04:24] <crispin> you need to specify who will own it
[04:25] <crispin> or what group
[04:25] <crispin> chgrp
[04:25] <sghsmorgan> crispin: I mean chown -R nobody.nogroup /media/
[04:25] <sghsmorgan> and that gave me access to /media/user/
[04:25] <crispin> ok, so now nobody owns it
[04:25] <sghsmorgan> but not /media/user/harddrive/
[04:25] <crispin> is that a mount?
[04:25] <crispin> run 'mount'
[04:25] <sghsmorgan> yeah it's mounted
[04:26] <crispin> -R wont travese mounted filesystems
[04:26] <crispin> for safety
[04:26] <crispin> probably
[04:26] <sghsmorgan> oh
[04:26] <crispin> do you really want to recursively chown it?
[04:26] <crispin> read the man pages
[04:26] <crispin> have a look for 'stick directory' bit
[04:27] <crispin> and then you can make a group. like 'samba'
[04:27] <crispin> then put the people to access it in that group
[04:27] <crispin> sorry
[04:27] <crispin> 'sticky directory'
[04:30] <sghsmorgan> crispin: don't see any "sticky directory" in man chmod or man chown...but what you're saying is, I should make a group and add my windows users to it, instead of removing the group and owners
[04:30] <sghsmorgan> right?
[04:31] <crispin> sghsmorgan: yes. and the directory can be chgrp'ed to that group
[04:31] <crispin> and then the group persmissions set for that group
[04:31] <crispin> eg. chmod g+rw blah
[04:31] <crispin> but if you cant change the group
[04:31] <crispin> because they need to stay 'admin' or something
[04:31] <crispin> you can set the containing directories sticky bit
[04:32] <crispin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit
[04:35] <crispin> sghsmorgan: of course you might not need sticky bit
[04:37] <crispin> sghsmorgan: actually IO could be wrong on the sticky bit
[04:37] <crispin> :P
[04:37] <crispin> its been a while
[04:37] <sghsmorgan> crispin: I think the wiki said something about linux ignores sticky bit
[04:37] <roasted> Beldar: hey are you interested in me babbling at you a minute about my notification thinger.
[04:38] <sghsmorgan> crispin: how do I add windows user to my linux group?
[04:39] <Beldar> roasted, babble away.
[04:40] <roasted> Beldar: checked MD5s. Matched. Did some reading about USB flash drives, and indeed DD, mkfs, things like that are known to degrade them. I frequently distro hop on another system I have, and have used this particular flash drive each time I do a Linux install since I started my current job 2 years ago. On a hunch, DD'd the ISO to a brand new flash drive. Checked disk for errors, 1 error. DD'd again and checked twice, no errors.
[04:40] <roasted> Installed, so far so good. It's early yet, but as of now.. they work.
[04:41] <roasted> Beldar: I couldn't check the integrity of the DD of my other flash drive that I've had for a while because I use MultiSystem on it that chainloads ISOs. If I select Ubuntu it goes STRAIGHT to Ubuntu, not the boot menu with options like check for errors, etc.
[04:42] <roasted> Beldar: kinda wanted to babble it here vs PM in case any users reading this get the protip that USB drives aren't fail-proof. They can have issues "burning" just as LiveCDs do. Like I said, still early yet, but so far.. notifications work fine.
[04:42] <roasted> Beldar: part of me wants to believe that thanks to the apt system I should be able to fix something like this, even if it was from a broken installer image/drive (even though I'm not positive it was broken or corrupt), but I suppose things don't work like that.
[04:43] <roasted> Beldar: that is all. thanks for the ears. :)
[04:43] <roasted> er, eyes.
[04:43] <Beldar> roasted, Good job finding an answer.
[04:44] <crispin> anyone know why my ldconfig command is not updating ld's search path?
[04:45] <roasted> Beldar: not positive yet. Part of that is running on a blind educated guess. BUT the drive I used I used heavily for 2 years, so maybe it is degraded by now. Hard to say. But nice to know I'm on a full install with 0 errors now. So from here on out if it comes up again, different story. If it never shows its face again, then perhaps that's what it was.
[04:52] <usr13> crispin: sudo?
[04:53] <crispin> as root, yeah
[04:53] <crispin> updated /etc/ld.conf.d
[04:53] <crispin> removed the offending file
[04:53] <crispin> ldconfig to updat e
[04:53] <crispin> then ldd the .so....
[04:53] <crispin> the offending files still linked in
[04:53] <crispin> ldconfig -v doesnt list them
[04:53] <crispin> but ldd shows them still linking
[05:00] <crispin> ah shit. was LD_LIBRARY_PATH env var
[05:00] <crispin> adaptec storman totally futzed my setup
[05:00] <crispin> bunch of fools!
[05:01] <usr13> crispin: depmod -a
[05:02] <path0gen> rm -rf 8==>
[05:03] <grahamsavage> how long does the battery last on a macbook air with ubuntu?
[05:04] <grahamsavage> same or much less than osx?
[05:04] <fffuchs> should be roughly the same
[05:05] <usr13> grahamsavage: It depends on what you're doing with it.
[05:05] <grahamsavage> usr13: software dev... nothing difficult though
[05:05] <grahamsavage> like not cpu intensive etc
[05:06] <usr13> grahamsavage: Not much telling, but as fffuchs suggests, probably comparable.
[05:08] <grahamsavage> normally i use ubuntu 12.04.. will this still be ok or is there special stuff that comes with 13.10 that i will need?
[05:08] <cfhowlett> grahamsavage, if 12.04 works, why not keep it until 14.04 comes out next month
[05:09] <grahamsavage> yeah ok
[05:09] <grahamsavage> cfhowlett: coming to beijing tomorrow :D
[05:09] <fffuchs> the kernal has most of the stuff that willvhelp your battery and that is kept pretty new even in 12.04
[05:09] <cfhowlett> grahamsavage, yeah?  go to pm ...
[05:09] <fffuchs> man this keyboard is rough...
[05:10] <Midion_> can i add max_allowed_packet because i do not see it in my.cnf file?
[05:11] <Midion_> I don't want to add something where it's not suppose to be.
[05:14] <tozen> hi all! does anybody tried Mir platform on 14.04 beta version apleady?
[05:14] <xangua> !14.04 | tozen
[05:15] <tozen> xangua: what? what do u mean? i've installed it on my pc just wanted to know about similar issues as mine. nothing else mate. ;)
[05:18] <someHuman> msg nickserv identify delarosa!123
[05:19] <someHuman> How much space is ideal for swap?
[05:19] <cfhowlett> !swap|someHuman,
[05:19] <crispin> someHuman: I use 2 x RAM
[05:20] <someHuman> crispin: Huh?
[05:20] <someHuman> Sorry newbie here.
[05:20] <crispin> someHuman: twice what ram you have
[05:20] <crispin> if you have 4 gigs, I use 8 gig swap
[05:21] <someHuman> How do I know how much RAM I have?
[05:24] <OSaucey> I'm having an audio issue.  No audio plays through my laptop's speakers but it does through the audio jack. There is also no audio opions in the volume properies (I cannot change anything, nor is any devices listed). This only happens on this one user account though, all ohers are fine. Ideas?
[05:24] <someHuman> Hello?
[05:24] <someHuman> How do I know how much RAM I have?
[05:24] <SunkSullen> hi
[05:24] <SunkSullen> free -m
[05:24] <SunkSullen> someHuman in terminal
[05:24] <SunkSullen> someHuman can you get to the terminal?
[05:24] <someHuman> SunkSullen: Ty!
[05:25] <someHuman> Yes
[05:25] <SunkSullen> someHuman oh and
[05:25] <SunkSullen> use -h
[05:25] <SunkSullen> for human readable
[05:25] <tozen> OSaucey: check <alsamixer> settings
[05:26] <someHuman> SunkSullen: http://pastebin.com/8WukXfju
[05:26] <SunkSullen> someHuman yep
[05:26] <SunkSullen> someHuman that looks normal
[05:27] <SunkSullen> someHuman: read the manual
[05:27] <SunkSullen> someHuman: man free
[05:27] <SunkSullen> someHuman it has all kinds of nifty options
[05:27] <SunkSullen> someHuman also keep in mind OS's use RAM differently
[05:27] <someHuman> What is RAM?
[05:27] <SunkSullen> someHuman run free -hm
[05:27] <SunkSullen> someHuman this is off topic
[05:28] <SunkSullen> we can discuss though
[05:28] <someHuman> SunkSullen: Ok
[05:28] <someHuman> SunkSullen: Pm?
[05:28] <SunkSullen> in either the Ubuntu off topic chhanel
[05:28] <SunkSullen> or
[05:28] <SunkSullen> my channel
[05:28] <someHuman> Wherever you like ;)
[05:28] <SunkSullen> join my channel :-)
[05:28] <someHuman> SunkSullen: Ok
[05:28] <SunkSullen>  /join ##Computer-Help-Chat
[05:28] <SunkSullen> or
[05:29] <SunkSullen> CLICK HERE -----------> ##Computer-Help-Chat
[05:30] <OSaucey> tozen: Okay, the speaker cli bar was on 0, but turning it up changed nothing
[05:33] <tozen> OSaucey: <M> button to mute/unmute ??
[05:35] <OSaucey> tozen: Okay fixed it partially. Audio now plays through the speakers (albeit a bit weak even with all levels turned up). Concerning the audio panel gui not working, ideas for that?
[05:35] <OSaucey> That and pushing the volume control hotkeys don't work.
[05:38] <tozen> OSaucey: what do u mean audio panel gui?
[05:39] <OSaucey> Next to the clock widget, here is the speaker icon, which I can usually click on to change the volume or double click to pull up the sound settings.
[05:40] <OSaucey> The audio slider is locked in at 0 and no devices (my speakers) are listed in the sound settings dialog (neither are the applications currently using the sound system)
[05:41] <tozen> OSaucey: looks like u need audio driver for ur card to be installad
[05:41] <OSaucey> Wouldn't that be system wide though? I have no issues on any other user accounts.
[05:44] <tozen> OSaucey: ok, can u try to reset sound settings, please: sudo alsa force-reload
[05:44] <intok> OSaucey relog, sometimes that happens, but logging out usually brings it right back.
[05:45] <OSaucey> intok: I've done that many times, this issues has been occuring for several months (been a bit lazy to fix)
[05:46] <intok> I had an issue where I'd get the bootup and login sounds but once I was logged in couldn't see the devices
[05:46] <OSaucey> I used to get just the bootup and login, but now that has stopped too
[05:48] <dannybit10> is there a better way to switch between open windows than alt + tab?
[05:50] <prem> how can i blacklist and block cdrom in a machine?
[05:50] <OSaucey> tozen: Resetting alsa has had no effect, will this require a relog to take effect?
[05:51] <tozen> OSaucey: could be
[05:51] <OSaucey> Oh wait, I see it failed; says there are some modules still loaded
[05:52] <tozen> dannybit10: Settings - Keyboard - Shortcuts??
[05:53] <krsnan> hello all, I work in Ubuntu and have some doubts regarding packages.
[05:53] <krsnan> shall i proceed with my query..
[05:55] <krsnan> I am looking for package, which shall encrypt/decrypt a file system on write/read of a file on the fly.
[05:55] <krsnan> is there any such package available.
[05:57] <dannybit10> tozen: i can't find the option
[05:57] <dannybit10> maybe "Switch windows directly" but it doesn't work
[06:00] <tozen> prem: use sudo chmod 000 /cdrom as example
[06:01] <prem> tozen, then the user might have permission to mount in other palce na
[06:01] <tozen> dannybit10: Navigation -->> Switch Applications in Shortcuts menu
[06:03] <someHuman> I can't upgrade to 13.10
[06:03] <tozen> prem: well. sudo chmod 000 /dev/cdrom but you have to tipe in proper name of cdrom device in system mine is sr0
[06:03] <someHuman> What I mean is, all I see is a dark screen with a dialouge box at the center saying that I need to configure my graphics drivers first.
[06:04] <someHuman> It doesn't even show me the mouse pointer.
[06:04] <tozen> someHuman: 12.04 -->> 12.10 -->> 13.04 -->> 13.10
[06:04] <prem> tozen, so if i 0 permission to that device., even root cant mount it right
[06:04] <someHuman> Am installinf 13.04 right now.
[06:05] <clone2> try 14 then
[06:05] <someHuman> tozen: Am installing 13.04 right now.
[06:05] <someHuman> clone2: ?
[06:05] <tozen> prem: :) root can do whatever hi wants just temporary change applied settings back to default, pal
[06:06] <cfhowlett> someHuman, clean install of 13.10 is probably a safer and less painful option
[06:06] <someHuman> I have a cd of it.
[06:06] <someHuman> Same things happens.
[06:06] <someHuman> It doesn't even get to the installation stage.
[06:06] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|someHuman,
[06:07] <tozen> cfhowlett: clean install of 14.04 daily build can breen more fun
[06:07] <tozen> *bring
[06:07] <cfhowlett> tozen, I don't do beta but --- maybe
[06:07] <tozen> cfhowlett: try it's quiet stable already
[06:08] <someHuman> I think I'd rather update from a distro
[06:08] <cfhowlett> tozen, nope.  LTS only and no beta for me
[06:08] <someHuman> I have been configuring Ubuntu 13.04 for installation for almost an hour.
[06:08] <tozen> cfhowlett: no probs, mate!
[06:08] <someHuman> And am pretty tired
[06:12] <kdworak> hello
[06:12] <tozen> kdworak: hi. so?
[06:12] <kdworak> need help writing a bash script
[06:14] <kdworak> I need to sort the processes and then add up the cpu decimal values and display the highest cumulative cpu load by proccess
[06:14] <kdworak> for example add up all the httpd processes together and then if thats the the highest cumulative total then print the total and httpd as the process
[06:15] <jhf_> hi all
[06:15] <somsip> kdworak: and what have you done so far?
[06:16] <kdworak> well so far I have a script that gives me only the 3 top offending processes
[06:16] <kdworak> but not a cumulative total
[06:16] <kdworak> hold on a sec ill print what i ahve
[06:17] <somsip> kdworak: #bash would be a better place for this. Though you can get part of the way there using ps and it's sort options
[06:18] <shindeg> exit
[06:19] <kdworak> somsip: this is what i have currently: ps -eo pcpu,pid|grep -v 0.0|sort -n|tail -3
[06:19] <mapps> hi guys what do i need to look up to learn how to make something start at startup ? like write a simple bash script and make it run on boot
[06:19] <thebigredgeek> Hey
[06:19] <thebigredgeek> How can I easily deploy a NodeJS app to a private ubuntu box?
[06:19] <kdworak> cron
[06:19] <shindeg> Hey guys
[06:19] <kdworak> mapps: cronjobs
[06:19] <shindeg> I am new to irc
[06:20] <thebigredgeek> Anyone?
[06:20] <mapps> hey kdworak  ah ok i know about cron..i keep hearing people talk about upsart
[06:20] <mapps> thebigredgeek, easy
[06:20] <thebigredgeek> I am hoping there is an easy to use tool
[06:20] <thebigredgeek> Mapps, how?
[06:21] <airtonix> thebigredgeek: i take it you don't do much "best practice" web development.
[06:21] <thebigredgeek> ?
[06:21] <thebigredgeek> Meaning?
[06:21] <thebigredgeek> I would love to wire up a CI tool
[06:21] <thebigredgeek> Currently no monies for that
[06:21] <thebigredgeek> I am starting my own company atm
[06:21] <mapps> njust get it off the sitte unpack and run
[06:21] <mapps> CI?
[06:21] <thebigredgeek> not yet funded
[06:21] <thebigredgeek> Ya like travis ci
[06:21] <airtonix> thebigredgeek: if you had done anything other than ftp a wordpress install up to a godaddy server you'd discover that PaaS services like Heroku are worth their weight in gold
[06:22] <airtonix> only machoistic people like to setup their own EC2 instances and manage everything
[06:22] <thebigredgeek> Ya I have done quite a bit more ;)
[06:22] <thebigredgeek> Just looking to cut corners
[06:22] <thebigredgeek> Rather than install jenkins, etc
[06:22] <airtonix> thebigredgeek: well your question was basically : "how to deploy a nodejs application"
[06:23] <airtonix> thebigredgeek: now you're throwing in "continous integration" ?
[06:23] <airtonix> and the answer is still : use a PaaS like heroku or openshift
[06:23] <thebigredgeek> Lol, your starting to sound machoistic
[06:23] <airtonix> use proper feature flip
[06:24] <airtonix> thebigredgeek: trust me. i've been there. if i can avoid setting up server side logic, then i will avoid it.
[06:24] <thebigredgeek> Well, I was using Nodejitsu
[06:24] <thebigredgeek> But I have plenty of DevOps experience, and I really don't enjoy paying for both Mongo and NodeJS
[06:24] <thebigredgeek> Huge waste of money IMO
[06:24] <airtonix> thebigredgeek: basically anything where your deployment is a 'git push production master'
[06:25] <airtonix> but this isn't even something specific to ubuntu
[06:26] <thebigredgeek> lol fine I give up
[06:26] <airtonix> you could ask these questions on #node or #django to get a better deployment strategy. if you insist on managing your own VM/VPS then for the sake of everyones sanity involved use a deployment configuration tool like ansible
[06:27] <thebigredgeek> what is ansible?
[06:27] <airtonix> want to start your own company, and you're already giving up?
[06:27] <clone2> yes so true
[06:27] <thebigredgeek> On hosting my own, ya
[06:28] <thebigredgeek> Its coming back
[06:28] <thebigredgeek> Why I started to love Nodejitsu and Heroku
[06:28] <thebigredgeek> MaaS sucks
[06:28] <jhf_> why?
[06:28] <thebigredgeek> I haven't dealt with this in about 2 years
[06:28] <airtonix> you know, web development is one of those things where if you refuse to learn something that looks complicated and instead choose to continue doing everthing manually, you actually end up making the project more complicated and tedious for everyong involved.
[06:28] <thebigredgeek> My old company insisted on owned infrastructure
[06:30] <clone2> a guest or a fed
[06:30] <airtonix> in my experience, having to run your own metal is the biggest money sink. so you'd want to hope you have a good reason for doing it. hopefully one that sits in a contract backed up by compensation for doing so
[06:30] <clone2> scanning hard drive
[06:34] <marz_> is anybody using bluetile here?
[06:34] <marz_> win+p doesn't seem to work
[06:35] <jhf_> whats bluetile?
[06:38] <clone2> i had bluetile have to cook it just right
[06:41] <bray90820> Would there be a way to install the touch UI on ubuntu while still being able to use the desktop apps
[06:41] <bray90820> Because i have an atom tabket
[06:41] <jhf_> i see, its a wm
[06:41] <somsip> !touch | bray90820
[06:42] <chankya> hi
[06:42] <bray90820> somsip: I am not really looking to install ubuntu touch just the UI so i don't think the wiki will help
[06:43] <somsip> bray90820: the full message tells you that support and discussion are in #ubuntu-touch channel, not here
[06:43] <bray90820> somsip: the reason i asked here is because i am starting with an install of the x86 version of ubuntu
[06:44] <bray90820> Actually no x64
[06:44] <chankya> how can I add new chaneeel
[06:44] <chankya> Channel
[06:44] <somsip> chankya: /join mynewchannel
[06:44] <somsip> bray90820: what do you mean by 'touch UI' then?
[06:44] <chankya> Thanks Somsip :-)
[06:45] <bray90820> I might not be able to explain this correctly but i will try my best
[06:45] <bray90820> I basicly want .
[06:46] <marz> I'm using bluetile, win+p doesn't seem to work
[06:47] <bray90820> somsip: I have a touch screen netbook with ubuntu x64 installed and i want it to behave like ubuntu touch
[06:47] <Dylan> Hello.
[06:47] <bray90820> while still being able to use the desktop apps
[06:47] <bray90820> do you understand that?
[06:47] <somsip> bray90820: I don't know what you mean by 'like ubuntu touch'. This channel does not support ubuntu touch.
[06:47] <rww> oh for crying out loud
[06:48] <bray90820> i want to emulate the features of ubuntu touch on the x64 version
[06:48] <Dylan> I've experiencing some Ubuntu installation problems, if anyone is interested in helping me out.
[06:48] <somsip> bray90820: then go ask in #ubuntu-touch I can't be more clear on this
[06:48] <rww> bray90820: Unfortunately, that's not currently possible. Ubuntu for Phones uses a newer (not stable yet) version of Unity that isn't available on desktop yet.
[06:48] <bray90820> rww: do you understand what i want
[06:48] <rww> bray90820: Yep.
[06:49] <bray90820> can you explain it because i am having a hard time doing so
[06:49] <rww> bray90820: Unfortunately, what you want isn't doable yet. Probably in a year or so :)
[06:49] <miraiE> how can I install packages from the list created by dpkg --get-selections ?
[06:49] <rww> bray90820: They're still working on the whole Unity 8 / Mir stack on desktop, it's nowhere near ready
[06:49] <bray90820> rww: can you explain it so somsip can understand what i am trying to say
[06:50] <bray90820> somsip: no offense to you
[06:50] <somsip> bray90820: it makes no difference. I understand what you want. I don't need to no anything more.
[06:50] <somsip> *know
[06:50] <Dylan> I'm attempting to dual-boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu and for the life of me I can't get the Ubuntu installation to get started.
[06:50] <bray90820> somsip: can you explain it to be so i know i explained it correctly
[06:51] <Dylan> I had only Ubuntu on my laptop and needed to have both, so I reformatted the hard drive and reinstalled Windows with repairs disks.
[06:51] <miraiE> anyone, how can I install packages from the list created by dpkg --get-selections ?
[06:51] <somsip> miraiE: like this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/37700/dump-dpkg-package-list-for-fresh-installation
[06:51] <Dylan> Now I want to put Ubuntu back on as the "main OS", where the Windows partition would only have enough memory to function.
[06:51] <clone2> run the linux from thumb drive or disc
[06:52] <clone2> dual installs not needed
[06:52] <Dylan> I'm trying. It's not working.
[06:53] <clone2> multi boot thumb drive for multi linux os from sourceforage
[06:53] <Dylan> I went into the BIOS and switched the boot order, but Windows just ignores the USB drive and starts normally.
[06:53] <clone2> program
[06:53] <bray90820> rww: is there at least an onscreen keyboard available that i can use because the one proved by ubuntu is horrible
[06:53] <miraiE> thanks somsip , actually I missed < sign
[06:53] <somsip> miraiE: np
[06:54] <mapps> hi im looking at how you write scripts to start sytuff on bootup..anyway quck question..looking atba few scripts with vases start/stop/reload all makes sense..but how does the server automatically run start? like if its a case statement
[06:55] <Dylan> So... anyone able to give me an idea how to get this installation going?
[06:56] <mapps> what is it youre tryig to install
[06:56] <Zhell> with bootup, just check if your thumb drive is FAT32
[06:56] <Dylan> ubuntu
[06:56] <bariho> when buying new hardware, how do I make sure it works well with linux? are there any hardware websites with a linux focus?
[06:56] <mapps> and whats the issue bro
[06:56] <Dylan> I can't get the installation to start.
[06:56] <mapps> probaby a few  but one thing bariho  avoid like broadcom wireless
[06:56] <mapps> ok and how are you trying to install it
[06:56] <Dylan> The USB method doesn't do a thing, and a mounted ISO gets me stuck.
[06:57] <mapps> stuck where
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[06:57] <Dylan> So, I mount the ISO and load it from Windows, telling it to boot from the CD right now, and it restarts and loads the normal purple Ubuntu loading screen,
[06:57] <Dylan> Then I get something like this:
[06:58] <Dylan> BusyBox v1.20.2(Ubuntu 1:20.0-8.1ubuntu1) built-in shell (ash)
[06:58] <Dylan> (initramfs) help
[06:58] <Dylan> Then I have access to a command terminal.
[06:58] <mapps> you dont get the boot menu?
[06:58] <grahamsavage> ok i'm looking over the internet and it looks like it's very very difficult to get ubuntu 12.04 working on a 2013 macbook air
[06:58] <grahamsavage> has anyone here actually got it working?
[06:58] <Dylan> You mean like "Normal Mode" and "Safe Graphic Mode"?
[06:58] <mapps> yea
[06:58] <Dylan> If I press ESC, yea.
[06:58] <Zhell> hmm.. try to switch drive to AHCI to IDE
[06:59] <mapps> ok..hmph have you tried loading the GUI manually
[06:59] <Zhell> *from AHCI to IDE
[06:59] <Dylan> Whaddya mean?
[06:59] <Zhell> is your bios, i kinda encounter that problem before
[06:59] <Zhell> *in your bios
[07:00] <Dylan> Zhell: Are you talking to me?
[07:00] <marz> Is anyone using bluetile here?
[07:00] <Zhell> yeah
[07:00] <mapps> oh he sounds like he knows what it is..wonder why its the drive
[07:00] <Dylan> Oops, sorry.
[07:00] <Dylan> What's AHCI and IDE, and where do I change it in the BIOS?
[07:00] <Zhell> the one with installation probs :)
[07:00] <Dylan> And what should that change?
[07:00] <Zhell> yes in the bios
[07:00] <Dylan> Where in the BIOS?
[07:01] <Zhell> its probably a hdd settings
[07:01] <Dylan> And what should that help with? The USB installation or the mounted ISO installation?
[07:02] <Zhell> your trying to install ubuntu right?
[07:02] <Dylan> Yes. Dual boot.
[07:02] <Ben64> Dylan: do you already have windows installed
[07:02] <Dylan> I had Ubuntu on this computer as of yesterday, so I know it works.
[07:02] <Zhell> you see the usual cd startup?
[07:02] <Dylan> Yup, I'm on Windows right now.
[07:02] <Ben64> Dylan: then you probably don't want to change the ahci/ide thing, will likely make windows unbootable
[07:03] <Zhell> try usb boot
[07:03] <Dylan> Zhell: What do you mean by usual cd startup?
[07:03] <Zhell> install ubuntu using usb
[07:03] <Dylan> Zhell: I've been trying. It doesn't work.
[07:03] <Dylan> Zhell: I've switched the boot order and the computer just ignores the USB drive.
[07:03] <Dylan> I'm actually getting pretty frustrated/starting to freak out ab it.
[07:03] <Dylan> a bit(
[07:03] <Zhell> is your usb FAT32?
[07:04] <Dylan> I just reformatted it, yes.
[07:04] <Ben64> Dylan: how did you prepare the flash drive
[07:04] <Zhell> did you use unetbootin?
[07:04] <Dylan> Lili USB Creator
[07:04] <Zhell> does it support linux bootup? the Lili..
[07:04] <clone2> multi boot thumb drive for multi linux os from sourceforage
[07:05] <dotDeb> i haven't been paying attention to the issue
[07:05] <clone2> program
[07:05] <dotDeb> but i find that manually creating a startup disk using dd solves a lot of problems
[07:05] <Ben64> try unetbootin or something else. also try the usb on another computer to see if it boots.
[07:05] <dotDeb> or startup usb
[07:05] <dotDeb> unetbootin works sometimes
[07:05] <Dylan> Zhell: It's for Linux, I believe.
[07:05] <Dylan> Fuck, this is ridiculous. I'm so pissed.
[07:05] <dotDeb> dylan what are you trying to do?
[07:05] <Zhell> okay. dont encounter it yet. I've been using unetbootin
[07:06] <Dylan> I'm trying to dual boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu.
[07:06] <dotDeb> ah
[07:06] <Dylan> With Ubuntu being the "main OS", and the Windows with a small partition as possible.
[07:06] <dotDeb> and the problem you're having is that you can't make a bootable USB?
[07:06] <Dylan> The problem I'm having is I can't install Ubuntu.
[07:06] <dotDeb> ah
[07:06] <Dylan> I've tried a bootable USB and mounting an ISO.
[07:06] <dotDeb> so what is the problem exactly?
[07:07] <Dylan> I don't really care how I install it, I just want it back.
[07:07] <dotDeb> does the bootable usb work?
[07:07] <Dylan> Nope.
[07:07] <Dylan> The computer doesn't even acknowledge its existence.
[07:07] <dotDeb> it doesn't boot into the usb at all?
[07:07] <dotDeb> ok one sec
[07:07] <Zhell> did you see something like this GRBU>
[07:07] <dotDeb> i will have my recommendation
[07:07] <dotDeb> soon
[07:07] <Zhell> *GRUB>
[07:07] <Dylan> Zhell: Nope.
[07:07] <Dylan> dotDeb: Thank you.
[07:08] <Dylan> dotDeb: Is it possible to use Wubi? Or does that just create a Virtualbox?
[07:08] <dotDeb> dylan wubi is probably an absolute worst-case option, because it's not ideal
[07:08] <Dylan> Good, then I'll trash it.
[07:08] <dotDeb> trash it?
[07:08] <dotDeb> what does that mean
[07:08] <Dylan> The idea.
[07:08] <dotDeb> ah
[07:08] <Dylan> And the file.
[07:08] <dotDeb> i used wubi when i first moved to linux
[07:09] <dotDeb> and it helped with the transition i must say
[07:09] <Zhell> what version is your ubuntu?
[07:09] <Dylan> I've been using Ubuntu for 3 years now.
[07:09] <Dylan> I'm already transitioned.
[07:09] <Dylan> I was running 12.10, but I don't even care what I get.
[07:09] <Dylan> Just get me out of this Windows hell.
[07:09] <dotDeb> dylan
[07:09] <dotDeb> http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
[07:09] <dotDeb> dd is the manual way
[07:09] <Dylan> So I can get my backup back into my computer.
[07:10] <dotDeb> it's a unix tool
[07:10] <dotDeb> but there's a windows version apparently
[07:10] <Dylan> Looks like something I'm going to totally screw up.
[07:10] <Dylan> The issue I'm having here is I dual-booted this computer like 3 years ago and it worked fine.
[07:10] <dotDeb> dylan worst case is the usb drive doesn't boot, assuming you put in the correct file paths
[07:10] <Dylan> And I think I used a mounted ISO.
[07:11] <Dylan> And I'm frustrated because I can't understand why it isn't working this time, especially as I've restored the computer to factory condition.
[07:11] <dotDeb> dylan well the problem you're having doesn't have to do with actually setting up the dual boot, right?
[07:11] <dotDeb> it's getting the live cd to work
[07:11] <dotDeb> wait, one other thing
[07:11] <Dylan> I think so.
[07:11] <dotDeb> you downloaded a bootable live version of ubuntu right?
[07:12] <dotDeb> oh wait
[07:12] <dotDeb> are they all bootable?
[07:12] <Dylan> I would assume so?
[07:12] <Dylan> I got it from the website.
[07:12] <dotDeb> dylan did you try using pen drive linux?
[07:12] <Zhell> dylan. have you try to go to bios and change the hdd compatibility from AHCI to IDE. then try usb installation again, with fat32 format
[07:12] <Dylan> No. What's that?
[07:12] <dotDeb> dylan http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[07:12] <Dylan> Zhell: Will that disable Windows?
[07:13] <marz__> Is anybody here using Bluetile?
[07:13] <Zhell> i think it will bootup the ubuntu correctly
[07:13] <dotDeb> zhell i thought the usb wasn't even booting, so how will that help him?
[07:13] <Dylan> Zhell: Yes, but will it also disable Windows?
[07:13] <Dylan> Zhell: Because the reason I'm having this problem in the first place was because I needed Windows again.
[07:13] <dotDeb> zhell that seems somewhat unnecessary
[07:13] <dotDeb> dylan does the usb boot at all?
[07:14] <Dylan> No.
[07:14] <Dylan> The computer doesn't even acknowledge that it's there.
[07:14] <dotDeb> dylan blank screen?
[07:14] <Dylan> Nope, Windows just boots normally like nothing happened.
[07:14] <dotDeb> dylan oh.  so when you go to boot options it's not listed?
[07:14] <Zhell> he said it just skip the usb bootup
[07:14] <Dylan> Here's what I did:
[07:14] <dotDeb> dylan you're going into boot options right?
[07:15] <Dylan> I went to the BIOS, went to the Boot List, and put USB drives before Hard Disk.
[07:15] <dotDeb> dylan because it will skip automatically otherwise
[07:15] <dotDeb> dylan ah ok
[07:15] <dotDeb> dylan is it giving feedback like "device not bootable"
[07:15] <Dylan> Nope.
[07:15] <dotDeb> dylan hrmph
[07:15] <Dylan> Computer does not acknowledge device AT ALL.
[07:16] <Dylan> It just starts Windows normally.
[07:16] <dotDeb> dylan is there an option to go into "boot options" when you boot?
[07:16] <Dylan> Dunno, I would have to restart to check again.
[07:16] <dotDeb> dylan ah
[07:16] <dotDeb> dylan it shouldn't matter but usually you can select the device you want and that would show if it's being detected
[07:16] <dotDeb> dylan do you have a phone you could run an irc client on?
[07:17] <Dylan> No.
[07:17] <dotDeb> dylan that way you could restart and keep chatting
[07:17] <Dylan> Are you in the US?
[07:17] <dotDeb> dylan ah nvm
[07:17] <dotDeb> dylan yes
[07:17] <Dylan> Could I call you/you call me?
[07:17] <dotDeb> dylan no, sorry
[07:17] <Dylan> :(
[07:17] <clone2> team view
[07:17] <dotDeb> clone2 team view doesn't work during a restart ;P
[07:18] <dotDeb> dylan sorry, i'm not giving away personal information online
[07:18] <Dylan> I'll give you my number and you can call it.
[07:18] <dotDeb> dylan you'll have mine when i call you
[07:18] <Zhell> lol
[07:18] <dotDeb> dylan it can get figured out over irc
[07:18] <Dylan> A'ight, I
[07:18] <Dylan> A'ight, I guess I'll just have to offer these 10,000 porn subscriptions to someone else...
[07:18] <clone2> just let the windows have the hard drive and run linux from disc or usb stick
[07:19] <dotDeb> dylan let's just say I'm religious and wouldn't want it anyways
[07:19] <Dylan> I apologize. I'm really freaking out because I'm staring at my external hard drive with the last 4 years of my life on it that I can't access until Ubuntu works.
[07:19] <akaWolf> 14:22:34 < akaWolf> hello! I have a strange issue: I don't know why, but system is not trying to load a i915_dri.so.                                                                                 emma
[07:19] <clone2> dual system no trouble
[07:19] <akaWolf> 14:22:47 < akaWolf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7066804/
[07:19] <dotDeb> dylan wait, why can't you access it until ubuntu works?
[07:19] <clone2> kids
[07:19] <dotDeb> dylan what about windows and backing it up through that?
[07:19] <Dylan> Well, I could access it, but I don't want it all over Windows.
[07:19] <clone2> allways have to make things harder
[07:20] <dotDeb> dylan what do you mean?
[07:20] <Dylan> I want Windows as tiny as possible in the corner of my hard drive.
[07:20] <dotDeb> dylan ok but if you're worried about losing data you should back everything up
[07:20] <Dylan> It's all backed up.
[07:20] <Dylan> I just can't work until I can get Ubuntus up and running again.
[07:20] <dotDeb> dylan then why are you saying you can't access your data until ubuntu works?
[07:20] <dotDeb> ah
[07:20] <dotDeb> ok
[07:20] <dotDeb> well
[07:20] <dotDeb> step one
[07:20] <Dylan> Yes I could technically open the stuff up on Windows, but that would ruin my entire organization.
[07:21] <dotDeb> is to get the live usb working
[07:21] <Dylan> Plus using Windows right now makes me feel like I have lice.
[07:21] <dotDeb> lol
[07:21] <Dylan> Okay, so I'm going to go into the BIOS and look for the Boot Options.
[07:21] <dotDeb> not the bios
[07:21] <dotDeb> usually a separate thing
[07:21] <dotDeb> accessed by tapping one of the "f%" buttons
[07:21] <dotDeb> like f8
[07:21] <Ben64> Dylan: can you use a cd/dvd to boot ubuntu?
[07:21] <Dylan> Alright, I'm a clean slate. Tell me what I need to do.
[07:21] <dotDeb> or f7
[07:22] <dotDeb> it should tell you at boot
[07:22] <dotDeb> also, what ben64 said
[07:22] <Dylan> It's ESC.
[07:22] <marz__> How Do I set something that when I type a word it executes an application?
[07:22] <Dylan> I've got a 700MB CD and a 750MB ISO file.
[07:22] <dotDeb> dylan ouch
[07:22] <Zhell> go with cd installation.
[07:22] <dotDeb> yea
[07:22] <dotDeb> i change my midn
[07:22] <dotDeb> mind
[07:22] <Dylan> I guess I could go get a DVD, but I keep feeling like I might get it if I hit the right button.
[07:23] <SirLagz> marz__: alt-f2 ?
[07:23] <dotDeb> well you could try looking in boot options
[07:23] <dotDeb> and then just coming back to irc if not
[07:23] <Dylan> I'll do that.
[07:23] <dotDeb> ok cya in a few
[07:23] <Dylan> And if it doesn't work, I'll drive down to Fuckmart and buy a DVD.
[07:23] <Dylan> Wait.
[07:23] <Dylan> What am I doing in the Boot Options?
[07:23] <marz__> SirLagz: I mean in terminal. Like when I type in gedit, it runs gedit. How does that work?
[07:23] <dotDeb> looking for your usb
[07:24] <dotDeb> it should be
[07:24] <dotDeb> a simple dialogue
[07:24] <Dylan> And if it is should I run it? Or should I come back and report?
[07:24] <dotDeb> that lets you choose from a list of bootable devices
[07:24] <dotDeb> you can try running it
[07:24] <Ben64> Dylan: and please watch the language in here
[07:24] <dotDeb> i guess
[07:24] <Dylan> Ben: I apologize.
[07:24] <akaWolf> hey!
[07:24] <Dylan> <---- Worked up.
[07:24] <dotDeb> dylan i know the feeling
[07:25] <SirLagz> marz__: the PATH environment variable lists the places where the executables live, normally places like /bin, /usr/bin etc. when you run a command, the shell looks in those places for the executable that you ran.
[07:25] <huffg> helloo any ideas if it's possible to know when audio output exists. i'd like to rig a macro into 10sec silence
[07:25] <Dylan> Okay, first I'm going to reformat my USB drive with this Universal USB Installer you guys told me to get...
[07:26] <dotDeb> dylan okay
[07:26] <dotDeb> dylan what version of ubuntu ru trying to get?
[07:26] <Dylan> I don't even know. I had 12.10 before, and I have a 12.04 and a 13.10 ISO right now.
[07:26] <clone2> try puppy if ubuntu doesnt work
[07:27] <clone2> mac puppy
[07:27] <Dylan> I think I'll just go with the 12.04 and if it works, upgrade it.
[07:27] <dotDeb> dylan ok
[07:27] <Dylan> Do I care about persistent file size?
[07:27] <dotDeb> dylan no
[07:27] <Ben64> Dylan: if you wait a month and a bit, you can upgrade from 12.04 directly to 14.04
[07:28] <marz__> SirLagz: Like when I type java, where does it show that it maps the word java to my java directory?
[07:28] <SirLagz> marz__: in the PATH environment variable
[07:28] <marz__> SirLagz: /etc/environment only shows the PATH. It doesn't show where it maps the word "java" to the path
[07:29] <Dylan> Ungh, another 15 minutes to make this USB drive.
[07:29] <dotDeb> dylan :/
[07:29] <marz__> SirLagz: Do I have to create a alias for that?
[07:29] <Dylan> Oo, or 4. I can deal with that.
[07:29] <dotDeb> dylan :)
[07:29] <SirLagz> marz__: what are you trying to do ?
[07:30] <marz__> I have downloaded IntelliJ. When I need to run it I always need to go to /Downloads/IntelliJ/bin/ then do a "sh idea.sh".  I want to make it so that when I type intellij it does that for me
[07:30] <marz__> SirLagz:  I have downloaded IntelliJ. When I need to run it I always need to go to /Downloads/IntelliJ/bin/ then do a "sh idea.sh".  I want to make it so that when I type intellij it does that for me
[07:30] <Edler> hey guys
[07:30] <huffg> marz__: man alias
[07:30] <Edler> is there a way to setup a quick vpn from my mac osx to a remote ubuntu server
[07:30] <Edler> so that all traffic passes through the ubuntu server and uses its IP address
[07:30] <Edler> ?
[07:30] <marz__> huffg: "No manual entry for alias"
[07:30] <Edler> i don't need security
[07:31] <huffg> marz__: add to .bash_profile or .bashrc on home dir
[07:31] <SirLagz> marz__: you could make a script inside /usr/bin to run what you want, or you could add /Downloads/IntelliJ/bin/ to the path
[07:31] <huffg> marz__: probably alias intellij ./downloads/IntelliJ/bin/idea.sh
[07:31] <Dylan> Okay, it's done.
[07:31] <dotDeb> dylan okay
[07:31] <Dylan> I'm goin' down!
[07:31] <huffg> or other way around
[07:31] <huffg> you can just try it
[07:31] <SirLagz> marz__: or do what huffg said
[07:31] <dotDeb> dylan cya in a few
[07:31] <marz__> huffg: will that be permanent?
[07:32] <huffg> marz__: there is .bashrc .bash_profile sourced when you start a terminal so you add that to either one of them in your home dir
[07:32] <huffg> just try it
[07:33] <marz__> huffg: Can I put it anywhere on the file?
[07:33] <SirLagz> marz__: yes
[07:33] <huffg> echo echo what is this >> .bashrc then ctrl+alt+t
[07:33] <huffg> woops
[07:33] <huffg> ~/.bashrc
[07:35] <Dylan> No dice.
[07:35] <Dylan> No dice. The computer sees nothing.
[07:35] <dotDeb>  dylan so you got to the device selection dialogue?
[07:35] <Dylan> Ja.
[07:35] <dotDeb> and the usb wasn't listed?
[07:35] <Dylan> Correct.
[07:35] <dotDeb> o.O
[07:35] <dotDeb> even if it's unbootable
[07:35] <dotDeb> it should be listed
[07:35] <dotDeb> i believe
[07:35] <marz__> SirLagz: Is this correct? alias intelliJ = /home/marz/Downloads/idea-IC-129.713/bin/idea.sh it gives me an error
[07:35] <dotDeb> very, very strange
[07:36] <Dylan> I think I read somewhere someone having a similar problem with my model of laptop.
[07:36] <Dylan> Alright, so should I start driving to ****mart?
[07:36] <dotDeb> dylan was the dvd/cd drive listed?
[07:36] <Dylan> Yes.
[07:36] <dotDeb> well maybe
[07:36] <Dylan> You got something else to try in the interim?
[07:36] <huffg> alias intelliJ="./home/marz/Downloads/idea-IC-129.713/bin/idea.sh"
[07:37] <dotDeb> dylan not particularly, no
[07:37] <dotDeb> someone else may
[07:37] <Dylan> So ****mart it is.
[07:37] <huffg> marz__: better to omit capital letters from commands
[07:37] <huffg> intellij
[07:37] <Zhell> dylan, i have same problem before with lenovo laps
[07:37] <huffg> marz__: and directory paths
[07:37] <Edler> so no one can help me setup a vpn on my ubuntu
[07:37] <Dylan> Thank the Gods of Consumerism that I live in the US and I can buy DVDs at 1 in the morning.
[07:37] <Zhell> i read a forum that says it has something to do with bios UEFI
[07:38] <huffg> you will press that shift many many times if an essential directory starts with a capital letter
[07:38] <Dylan> In Austria everything closes at 6. :P
[07:38] <marz__> huffg: bash: alias: intellij: not found bash: alias: =: not found bash: alias: sh /home/marz/Downloads/idea-IC-129.713/bin/idea.sh: not found
[07:38] <sanchit_> hv
[07:39] <huffg> marz__: i have no ubuntu but just relax man and http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/aliases.html run the example there
[07:39] <Dylan> Anyway, I'll be back in 20-30 minutes.
[07:39] <huffg> marz__: get a test alias working
[07:39] <huffg> alias Jesse_James='echo "\"Alias Jesse James\" was a 1959 comedy starring Bob Hope."';Jesse_James
[07:39] <huffg> run that line hehe
[07:41] <marz__> huffg: It was because of the spaces
[07:42] <huffg> marz__: yes yes
[07:43] <marz__> huffg: Thanks! ;)
[07:43] <huffg> np np
[07:43] <marz__> huffg: But I still need to clarify, where in the system does it map a keyword - e.g."java" - to a envrioment variable?
[07:44] <huffg> marz__: well paste your echo $PATH
[07:45] <marz__> huffg: For example, when you have your java installed on /usr/bin/java. How does Linux know that when you type java you're looking exactly for that directory?
[07:45] <huffg> marz__: anyways you have a dir in your PATH which usually has a soft(?) link to your actual path
[07:46] <marz__> huffg: But with a lot of environment variables, how does it know which one is which?
[07:46] <huffg> marz__: just type which java
[07:46] <huffg> marz__: there is also /etc/alternatives config to configure uhuh alternative paths i guess
[07:47] <marz__> huffg: That's exactly my question. With a lot of environment variables/path how does it determine which one are you looking for when typing java? Does it compare the string literally?
[07:47] <marz__> huffg: When you type in java, does it literally compare which environment variable/path has the java word on it?
[07:48] <huffg> marz__: no, i don't know the specifics but it's sufficient to say it will look through every directory in PATH variable
[07:49] <marz__> huffg: What I was trying to do is add an environment variable with a path to an application and map a keyword to that path. I ended up using alias instead. Hahahaha!
[07:49] <huffg> yes yes alias is the right way to do it
[07:50] <huffg> you can also add stuff to PATH but thats unnecessary if the application does not actually need to know the path
[07:50] <huffg> alias is the right way to do it then
[07:51] <huffg> and usually apps want a different variable than PATH
[07:54] <marz__> huffg: Have you tried using bluetile?
[07:57] <huffg> marz__: no whats that :(
[07:57] <huffg> :/
[07:57] <marz__> huffg: A window tiling manager hehehe
[07:59] <huffg> ok
[08:01] <huffg> unity is all right½!
[08:02] <crispin> xmonad FTW
[08:02] <Walex> marz__: tiling managers written in obscure languages with windows in tiny fonts with a color scheme like blue on black are typical of a certain "demographic" :-)
[08:02] <jhf_> hi all, i am finding a lightweight terminal manager, any suggestion?
[08:02] <Dylan> Alrighty... let's hope I got the right DVDs.
[08:03] <grahamsavage> hey.. i've just got a new macbook air 2013 model, and i'd like to install ubuntu 12.04 on it.  If that's not possible i'd like to look at either 13.10 or 14.04. Has anyone had any success installing any of these?
[08:03] <marz__> Walex: I didn't get one thing that you said.
[08:03] <grahamsavage> i've read many guides on the internet and they all point to various issues
[08:03] <dotDeb> dylan :)
[08:04] <Walex> marz__: there may be still for you then :-)
[08:04] <Walex> marz__: but what is your color scheme for terminal windows?
[08:04] <marz__> Walex: green and black
[08:04] <Dylan> Son of a ....
[08:05] <dotDeb> dylan ??
[08:05] <Dylan> ....i bought cds.
[08:05] <marz__> Walex: I was asking about Bluetile which is a tiling window manager since it's not working perfectlyt for me
[08:05] <Walex> marz__: how tiny are your fonts? How close to the screen do you need to be to read them?
[08:05] <dotDeb> dylan facepalm
[08:05] <Dylan> Already did.
[08:05] <marz__> Walex: hmmm
[08:05] <dotDeb> dylan what
[08:05] <Dylan> Facepalm.
[08:05] <Dylan> Already did it.
[08:05] <dotDeb>  oh
[08:05] <dotDeb> ya
[08:06] <Walex> marz__: it also helps if you own a monocycle or a Rapsberry Pi :-)
[08:06] <marz__> Walex: I think we're talking about two different aspects here.
[08:07] <Walex> marz__: but they tend to correlate with each other...
[08:07] <marz__> Walex: Let me give to you straight. Bluetile is not working perfectly for me. Win+p used to run Gnome runner dialog is not working. It also does not return to my normal gnome desktop when I quit it
[08:08] <Dylan> I'm going to bed. If I'm making mistakes like this now I'm just going to keep making them.
[08:08] <dotDeb> dylan ok, goodnight!
[08:09] <huffg> can i verify the existence of audio output from command line?
[08:09] <Dylan> Thanks for your help, Deb.
[08:09] <Walex> marz__: for Win-P you probably need to change a binding in the BlueTile config. As to returning to your GNOME desktop when you quit it, if it is a window manager that's not how things work.
[08:09] <Walex> huffg: yes if you have a microphone.
[08:10] <Walex> huffg: you activate the microphone, play some sounds, and check that the microphone registers an increased sound level. That can all be done command line, but it takes a fair bit of scripting.
[08:11] <marz__> Walex: Have you tried using BlueTIle? I just installed it using 'apt-get install bluetile', I don't even know where the config file is. Do you?
[08:11] <iptable> marz__, really read the manual
[08:12] <huffg> Walex: mm, scripting is np
[08:12] <Walex> marz__: "Bluetile can be configured by editing the file ~/.bluetilerc . " http://www.bluetile.org/#documentation
[08:12] <marz__> Walex: there is not ./bluetilerc
[08:12] <iptable> marz__, create it and put your configs in there.
[08:13] <marz__> iptable: Actually there was a control panel on the left of my screen back then, I managed to accidentally remove it. There was a button that opens a config file there
[08:13] <dotDeb> dylan no problem
[08:14] <iptable> marz__, :/ uhm. what can I tell you then...
[08:14] <marz__> iptable: Are you familiar with BlueTile, do you know while file it was pointing to?
[08:15] <iptable> marz__, http://man.cx/bluetile%281%29
[08:15] <iptable> marz__, according to man pages, it IS ~/.bluetilerc
[08:15] <iptable> marz__, and as Walex said, it's not ./bluetilerc, but ~/.bluetilerc
[08:16] <iptable> marz__, if you read carefully you will notice the file starts with a dot "." - it means it's hidden. just edit it.
[08:16] <marz__> iptable: That's what the problem is, there is no ~/.bluetilerc. I noticed something though, Ubuntu does things differently than the docs
[08:16] <marz__> than what is written on the docs
[08:17] <iptable> marz__, it depends on how the packages are compiled. Did you try ls -a ~ ?
[08:17] <iptable> marz__, look at the files in there from that command.
[08:18] <marz__> iptable: So how do I bind win+p to execute the Gnome run application dialog?
[08:18] <iptable> marz__, but if I was to hazard a guess, if Win+P doesn't work and you don't have a taskbar and things are generally not as expected, maybe you have removed that file somehow?
[08:18] <llutz> marz__: that there is no user config doesn't mean anything. create one and see if it is used. example /usr/share/bluetile/etc/bluetilerc_user_templat
[08:18] <marz__> iptable: I assure you I did not remove anything.
[08:19] <cai__> sdfsdf
[08:19] <iptable> marz__, see above what llutz said. Well, you removed taskbar "accidentally". It can mean anything to me...
[08:19] <marz__> iptable: According to the man page, win+p runs the gnome runner application dialog, it doesn't. Other keys run perfectly though
[08:19] <cai__> 大家好！
[08:19] <marz__> iptable: I found the config file, I uncommented the start_dock:false to remove it
[08:19] <iptable> marz__, maybe you have Win+P tied using another shortcuts app to something else? tried finding that?
[08:20] <marz__> iptable: How do I find that?
[08:20] <iptable> marz__, use the gnome menu, come on.
[08:20] <marz__> iptable: Sorry about this one mate, just a total noob here. :D
[08:20] <iptable> marz__, and are you sure that the gnome "run application" dialog is installed and present? Is it gnome 2 or gnome 3?
[08:21] <iptable> marz__, in gnome, try CTRL+F2 or ALT+F2 - see if one of those starts the "run dialog" for me please
[08:22] <arcsky> default pwd to ubuntu livecd?
[08:22] <marz__> iptable: I'm using Gnome Shell 3.4.1. Ctrl+F2 or Alt+F2 doesn't do anything. Just a note, I'm currently running bluetile right now
[08:23] <iptable> marz__, gnome shell 3 doesn't have the standard gnome2 "start application dialog" any more from what I understand.
[08:23] <marz__> iptable: that maybe the case, how will I run application now? aside from running it in terminal
[08:23] <marz__> hehehe
[08:23] <iptable> marz__, which would explain the Win+P. Gnome3 does things differently. Apparently, according to bluetile, it's built for gnome2.
[08:24] <iptable> marz__, well, it's not our fault you run the wrong sort of application. In gnome 3, you just press and let go of the windows (super) button and you get the application launcher/search window.
[08:25] <iptable> marz__, or look for some sort of application launcher dialog (or write your own one as a shell script), then configure Win+P to start that
[08:25] <marz__> iptable: I'm sorry for all the trouble mate. Didn't know bluetile was built for gnome2.
[08:25] <iptable> marz__, but you are trying to reinvent the wheel.
[08:25] <iptable> marz__, if you want something for snome3, shellshape is a better alternative
[08:26] <iptable> marz__, and apparently xmonad works well with gnome3, but that's apparently.
[08:26] <marz__> iptable: I tried that one, didn't like it.
[08:26] <marz__> iptable: xmonad is quite hard to configure though
[08:27] <iptable> marz__, you are therefore out of options. Alternatively install Linux Mint Mate (which is ubuntu with a fork of gnome2), and you can use your bluetile
[08:27] <marz__> iptable: Thanks for the suggestion. ;)
[08:29] <iptable> no probs
[08:30] <marz__> iptable: Just remembered, ShellShape doesn't support multiple monitors. That was the problem I was having with it
[08:32] <iptable> marz__, cool,  but I have already given you all the options you had.
[08:33] <marz__> iptable: Yeah, just sayin though. Thanks for the help!
[08:33] <iptable> no probs
[08:40] <someHuman> Hello!
[08:40] <someHuman> How do I check repo for a package availability?
[08:40] <Walex> someHuman: 'apt-cache'
[08:41] <Walex> someHuman: or just use 'aptitude'.
[08:41] <someHuman> Walex: Cool thanks!
[08:41] <someHuman> What's the difference?
[08:41] <Walex> someHuman: 'apt-cache search' and 'apt-cache info' IIRC
[08:41] <Walex> someHuman: 'apt-cache' is purely command line, 'aptitude' has a (text, not GUI) full screen interface.
[08:42] <someHuman> Thanks!
[08:45] <skramer_> How to change the look & feel of a Java program like ProjectLibre? I would prefer if it looked similar to the "normal" apps...
[08:45] <someHuman> Walex: apt-cache search doesn't work.
[08:45] <someHuman> skramer_: By normal apps you mean?
[08:45] <someHuman> Lol thanks!
[08:46] <skramer_> yes, it should look like any normal app
[08:46] <Walex> skramer_: that's nearly impossible. Most Java applications use a completely different "widget" set which has its own fontsystem even.
[08:46] <llutz> someHuman: apt-cache policy packagename
[08:47] <skramer_> Walex: you mean no way to avoid this ugly appearance? :(
[08:47] <Walex> skramer_: there is *some* ability to change the skinning of Java apps...
[08:48] <Walex> skramer_: search the web for "java themes"
[08:49] <skramer_> I see, thank you
[08:50] <Walex> skramer_: usually apps allow you to change the theme, but IIRC there are ways to change that at startup
[08:50] <Pyro_Killer> hello, does linux have a good alternative to: http://www.voidtools.com/
[08:50] <Walex> skramer_: here is a nice explanation here: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/lookandfeel/plaf.html
[08:50] <Pyro_Killer> Everything, i really miss it after i switched
[08:51] <Walex> skramer_: probably you are interested in the section "Specifying the Look and Feel: Command Line" and the next one or two.
[08:51] <Midion_> anyone know why where max_allowed_packet should be. i checked in my.cnf but it is not there and if I add it. It turns everything white when trying to install drupal.
[08:52] <Walex> skramer_: and perhaps you want to switch to 'com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel'
[08:52] <llutz> !info catfish | Pyro_Killer
[08:53] <skramer_> Walex: I just try it. Interestingly, it says that "main class projectlibre" could not be found...
[08:53] <Midion_> after many hours i think i should have just went with a windows vps.
[08:53] <skramer_> which I honestly don´t really understand..
[08:54] <Cyph3r> @Midion: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8062496/how-to-change-max-allowed-packet-size
[08:54] <Walex> skramer_: that depends on which JVM you have perhaps.
[08:55] <clouder`grr> offtopic, but it efnet down? I can seem to connec to any servers
[08:56] <Pyro_Killer> llutz: this is awful, and takes forever, "Everything" pre-indexes all the files so searching takes literally seconds, and updates the index everytime a change is made
[08:57] <llutz> Pyro_Killer: use locate/find then, done :)
[08:57] <Walex> Pyro_Killer: llutz: for file indexing my favourite one is 'recoll', but I'll have a look at 'catfish' too.
[08:57] <Midion_> i'll try again and set it higher this time.
[08:57] <clouder`grr> nm, it was because I was trying to connect via ssl
[08:57] <Cyph3r> @clouder'grr: i was able to connect to efnet
[08:59] <Pyro_Killer> Walex: this is more like it
[08:59] <Pyro_Killer> I feel that in a world of 4 TB drives offering up some megabytes for a complete filesystem index is worth it
[09:00] <skramer_> Walex: Now I modified the swing.properties file as described on that website. Still, it does not seem to have any influence
[09:01] <Walex> Pyro_Killer: 'recoll' has pretty large indices, like 5-8% of space, but it is very effective.
[09:02] <Walex> skramer_: you need to check that it is actually read, and that the relevant theme files are installed, which thney should be. It might depend a bit on the JVM and toolkit implementation installed, if it is IcedTea it might be a bit different.
[09:04] <Pyro_Killer> Walex: so if i want to index 1.5 TB, the database will take about 75-100 GB?
[09:08] <MasterScript> mylocal ip: 10.0.0.11 and internet ip: 24.129.29.217
[09:08] <MasterScript> how to add 24.129.29.217 ?
[09:14] <skramer_> Walex: Just found this comment: "If this didn't work, that means the developer of the app hardcoded the look and feel. " (http://askubuntu.com/questions/21886/how-can-i-get-a-java-apps-to-use-the-gtk-theme) Guess that might be the problem.
[09:14] <skramer_> Walex: Thank you anyway for your patience and assistance :)
[09:17] <Pyro_Killer> anyone know what version will become the new LTS after 12.04?
[09:17] <Midion_> sigh... I know someone lol because i said i wanted to use a xrdp, but setting up this vps is isane. Its easy to setup but not so much if the site cannot install.
[09:17] <Midion_> I thought I saw someone saying it was going to be 13.04.
[09:19] <DJones> Pyro_Killer: 14.04 will be LTS, they're released every two years
[09:19] <Pyro_Killer> I was really happy with TightVNC for remote desktop
[09:19] <Pyro_Killer> to server
[09:21] <Pyro_Killer> It's funny how people still use Windows from 2001, and ubuntu 12.04 already feels a bit dated
[09:21] <MooDoo> I know peple that still use xp, sad!
[09:22] <Midion_> think im just going to re-install with centos and google centos tutorials.
[09:22] <Pyro_Killer> windows ME for life :D ? No, ok...
[09:22] <cfhowlett> !server|Midion_,
[09:23] <Pyro_Killer> Ubuntu server 12.04 is really solid
[09:23] <al1o> why is on ubuntu /etc/init and /etc/init.d ?
[09:23] <Midion_> im using 13.04 on my server? I should go down to 12.04?
[09:23] <cfhowlett> Midion_, yes.  13.04 is no longer supported
[09:23] <al1o> is there a way to convert easily an init.d script to upstart?
[09:24] <cfhowlett> Midion_, or jump to 13.10 and upgrade to 14.04 next month
[09:24] <MooDoo> no need to down grade, just wait till next month where 14.04 LTS is released
[09:24] <Midion_> well my host only offers up to 13.04
[09:24] <Pyro_Killer> I never switched from 12.04... if you want a stable implementation i would go 12.04
[09:24] <Midion_> if i wait another month i wasted money. lol
[09:24] <DJones> Midion_: Just be aware that 13.04 is no longer supported or receiving security updates since January
[09:24] <cfhowlett> Midion_, your hosts limits you to non-supported OS?  I'd say time for a change
[09:25] <Pyro_Killer> I know I don't have the skill or patience  necessary to run cutting, and it has support until 2017
[09:25] <Midion_> my host has centos 5 and 6 fedora and ubuntu 10 to 13.04 i think.
[09:26] <Midion_> he did send me a email saying my best bet was to use centos but i have used ubuntu as my desktop. so i thought using it for a vps would be easy.
[09:31] <BasY> Hi, I need to know the package names, that was updated by last automatic update ...
[09:32] <Midion_> so im just going to stick it out. i am alot more comfortable using command line now. i really dont need xrdp at this point.
[09:35] <edkilla> oo giii
[09:35] <edkilla> ooo hiii
[09:35] <cfhowlett> !details|edkilla,
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> BasY: tail -n 40 /var/log/dpkg.log | less
[09:50] <jarco> rootvader
[09:50] <jarco> ups :)
[09:50] <jarco> sorry
[09:50] <Midion_> ok reinstalling and going down to 12.04
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> Midion_: 12.04 is great
[09:52] <tasslehoff> is there dedicated "ubuntu on mac" channel?
[09:53] <Midion_> ubuntu on mac?
[09:54] <iceroot> !mac
[09:54] <tasslehoff> Midion_: yeah. for people running native Ubuntu on Apple Hardware
[09:54] <DJones> tasslehoff: Not that I'm aware of, I suspect any support questions should just be asked here
[09:54] <Midion_> oooh
[09:55] <Midion_> i run apple on my pc hardware. lol
[09:55] <iceroot> tasslehoff: a mac is just an intel system with a jail and a high price, so it can be covered here
[09:55] <Midion_> yea i have osx on my dell latitude and my desktop.
[09:56] <tasslehoff> ok. I've had it running before, but an osx update broke my dualboot, so I'm just trying to find out if 13.10 will run fine on my MacBookPro 10,1. The wiki says 12.04 will :)
[09:56] <iceroot> tasslehoff: live cd to find out
[09:57] <Midion_> good idea
[09:57] <tasslehoff> iceroot: live usbstick, that is :)
[09:57] <iceroot> tasslehoff: live system :)
[09:58] <tasslehoff> yeah. it is the lack of cdrom and wired networking that makes this a bit more of a hassle. but, Just Do It, I guess.
[09:58] <tasslehoff> thanks for the input (and output)
[09:58] <iceroot> tasslehoff: thats when you buy apple stuff, everything is a fail, nothing is standard
[09:58] <Midion_> I almost forgot what cd's were used for.
[09:58] <iceroot> should be jail but i guess fail is also ok in that :)
[09:59] <tasslehoff> iceroot: well yeah, but I'm really happy with the hardware, and if ditching optical drive and an ethernet plug is what it took, then so be it
[10:00] <iceroot> tasslehoff: yes maybe, i would never buy a system without ethernet plug but opinions are different and i think its off topic
[10:00] <Midion_> I have had osx running on my desktop since jan 2012 with no issues yet.
[10:02] <tasslehoff> iceroot: yep. http://randomtutor.blogspot.no/2014/01/installing-ubuntu-on-retina-macbook-pro_19.html has been recently updated, and I think it will get me where I want to be.
[10:03] <iceroot> tasslehoff: sounds good
[10:05] <justaguy> The following packages have been kept back: python3-distupgrade ubuntu-release-upgrader-core ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk
[10:05] <justaguy> what's that?
[10:05] <sebastianlutter> I want to compare the software list of ubuntu 12.04 and 13.10 (most important tomcat and java packages). I found no overview of packages and versions available in 12.04 and 13.10. Can someone give me a hint where to find that information?
[10:06] <jatt> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[10:14] <troulouliou_dev> hi whatis the best company to buy a ubuntu powered server; i need 2; 1 for computing and 1 for nas storage
[10:14] <ikonia> any company that sells the hardware you want at the price you want
[10:14] <ikonia> you install ubuntu onto it once you've purchased it
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> troulouliou_dev: check the ubuntu certified hardware pages
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> sebastianlutter: packages.ubuntu.com
[10:19] <troulouliou_dev> ActionParsnip, ha good tip thanks
[10:21] <abhvym> hi
[10:22] <abhvym> after applying apparmor from thin blog http://eternalwalkabout.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/skype-4-0-on-ubuntu-12-04-apparmor/ skype says can not read config file.
[10:22] <sebastianlutter> jatt: thx a lot
[10:23] <sebastianlutter> ActionParsnip, thx too
[10:23] <iptable> abhvym, without applying that, skype worked?
[10:23] <abhvym> iptable, yes.
[10:24] <jatt> gbzs
[10:25] <iptable> abhvym, see #linux channel on which you received the answer for the same question you have asked
[10:33] <onyotzki> hi
[10:34] <chiefw0tj> Greetings all!
[10:34] <onyotzki> asl? XD
[10:34] <Meistarin> :|+
[10:36] <onyotzki> hallo
[10:41] <Joey__> Hi am running into a difference between Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server. When I install the same daemon script (sysvinit) for the same service on both then the Desktop just works, but the Server fails when starting the service with "sudo service srvname start" giving error: /etc/init.d/srvname: line 1: /etc/init.d/srvname: #!: not found (the first line in the daemon script is #!/bin/sh) What
[10:41] <Joey__> am I missing?
[10:41] <Joey__> server version is 12.04.4 LTS
[10:44] <resure> My touchpad doesn't work in Ubuntu 14.04 (I tried to connect usb mouse, but it doesn't work too). How should I investigate this problem?
[10:45] <resure> Dell e4200
[10:47] <geirha> Joey__: custom kernel?
[10:49] <Joey__> no geirha, I downloaded the iso from the website and pretty much just answered a bunch of questions about keyboard and language. That's it.
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> resure: ask in #ubuntu+1 for Trusty support
[10:49] <ikonia> Joey__: it's just a script problem
[10:50] <ikonia> Joey__: it's reading the #! as a command
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> resure: Trusty is not ready and not stable, if you want support here then I suggest you reinstall with a released Ubuntu, like Precise or Saucy
[10:50] <geirha> Joey__: ok, let's make sure the first line doesn't contain any odd characers.   head -n1 /etc/init.d/srvname | od -An -tx1 -c
[10:51] <ikonia> looks at the shell /bin/sh - that is not default on ubuntu
[10:51] <ikonia> and is infact a symlink
[10:51] <ikonia> I suspect it's a package thats not meant for ubuntu/init script thats not meant for ubuntu so assumes /bin/sh
[10:52] <ikonia> Joey__: what is the name of the package that provides srvname
[10:52] <geirha> ikonia: ... what?
[10:53] <Joey__> there are encoding bytes in front of the #! 357 273 277
[10:53] <resure> ActionParsnip, just wondering. Everything was fine in livecd.
[10:53] <Joey__> ikonia it's my own software... a .NET application running on mono.
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> resure: strange, i'd ask in #ubuntu+1
[10:54] <Joey__> I did use sed on the file to replace some placeholders, that is a difference between Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server
[10:54] <troulouliou_dev> hi i don't understand how ubuntu works when a daemon is either in /etc/init.d (systemV) and  /etc/init (updstart) i can start both with service and start/stop command . so what is the best ?
[10:54] <resure> ActionParsnip, thanks, I'll try
[10:54] <geirha> Joey__: edited it in a windows editor, then? that usually fails.
[10:54] <Joey__> On the desktop I'm writing the daemon file from my mono application
[10:55] <Joey__> what encoding should i best use? It's UTF-8 now
[10:55] <geirha> Joey__: UTF-8 without a BOM, yes
[10:56] <geirha> Joey__: and with "unix line endings", that is LF (\n) instead of CRLF (\r\n)
[10:56] <Joey__> Unicode (UTF-8 without signature) - Codepage 65001
[10:57] <Joey__> yeah I ran in the line endings before, well aware of those :)
[10:57] <Joey__> does that codepage thing look ok to you ?
[10:58] <geirha> No idea what Codepage 65001 is, but UTF-8 sounds good.
[11:03] <Joey__> ok, I'm having an problem... the daemon file is a template that I replace some placeholders in with sed, it's the template that has the BOM. Is there a way with sed to specify encoding when using > targetfile ?
[11:03] <Joey__> or another command to pipe the file through ?
[11:04] <Joey__> (will of course fix encodings in next release, but this script I'm doing now should work on current release of the template)
[11:05] <geirha> Joey__: you have to make sure the template file is UTF-8 and doesn NOT start with a BOM
[11:16] <mister> hi
[11:17] <geekster> hi
[11:17] <dragostini> Hey all, so, I just installed Ubuntu Studio 12.04 I believe it was (the LTS one) and have no audio through HDMI with my ATI Radeon R7 260X using FGLRX. Tried ALL KINDS of stuff, from modifying the kernel line in grub, messing with alsamixer and pavucontrol...Nothing. Pavucontrol "Configure" tab does not show HDMI as an option at all even
[11:18] <mister> по руски кто нить муму ? )
[11:18] <DJones> !ru | mister
[11:19] <euphogeeza> Oh My! I need help. Just issued an "apt-get upgrade" on our 12.04LTS server, and it seems to have gotten "stuck" with "Setting up lvm2 (2.02.66-4ubuntu7.4)..." message.
[11:19] <euphogeeza> I see that (from googling) one other person had this same issue, and it too > 3 days to complete!
[11:19] <euphogeeza> AND, to boot, no one replied to his call for help.
[11:19] <euphogeeza> last 4 lines in /var/log/dpkg.log are:
[11:19] <euphogeeza>   configure lvm2 2.02.66-4ubuntu7.4 <none>
[11:19] <euphogeeza>   status unpacked lvm2 2.02.66-4ubuntu7.4
[11:19] <euphogeeza>   status unpacked lvm2 2.02.66-4ubuntu7.4
[11:19] <euphogeeza>   status half-configured lvm2 2.02.66-4ubuntu7.4
[11:21] <dragostini> Anyone have any ideas? >.< I've been googling  and trial and erroring for hours heh
[11:22] <dragostini> Also, pavucontrol is showing audio activity (bars are moving with the sound) yet nothing is actually OUTPUT
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: sounds like you gotta let it bake then
[11:28] <euphogeeza> yeah we read a post and someone tried that for 3 days
[11:29] <euphogeeza> we don't have the luxury of that time. users need to access the server
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: did you not research this before kicking off the update?
[11:30] <euphogeeza> we had 211 updates to put on:(
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: and they were all checked as ok? with testing an such?
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: or did you just kick them all in?
[11:31] <euphogeeza> afraid didn't have spare servers :(
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: see why they are good to have....
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: dude, my place takes about 4 months testing before packages get updated
[11:32] <euphogeeza> did apt-get update then apt-get upgrade. Never had this sort of problem before.
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: really?
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: approval of packages is a great way to avoid issues
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: you could stop the update and risk the volume, then try and reinstall the package to update it, or let it work
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: does it pull down the volume to update the package?
[11:34] <geirha> euphogeeza: I'd grab the sources (apt-get source lvm2) and try to figure out what on earth it's trying to run that takes 3 days
[11:34] <euphogeeza> Blimey ActionParsnip, that's a heck of a work load but I see its useful. How many of you are therre and how many servers?
[11:36] <euphogeeza> we were having issues refreshing an lvm pool for KVM hosts. Taking down the server nad thought we should apply the updates during the process as it was quite out of date
[11:38] <euphogeeza> Thinking to reboot then run "dpkg --configure -a"
[11:38] <euphogeeza> and apt-get autoclean. Have already tried but they didn't work
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: too many to count dude, lots of ESX and so forth
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: are there any bugs reported?
[11:55] <antaranian> hi
[11:56] <invincible_> hi
[11:56] <antaranian> I've accidentally make my windows' title bar appear *under*  the top bar in compiz
[11:57] <antaranian> How can I "re-combine" them ?
[11:57] <antaranian> which compiz plugin is responsible for that ?
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> antaranian: can you please give a screenshot of the issue to clarify the issue
[11:58] <ikonia> .wubdiw 32]
[11:58] <ikonia> oops, sorry
[11:58] <antaranian> ActionParsnip: https://db.tt/MgahIuqy
[12:01] <antaranian> on maximized state there used to be one bar, with window menu on the left and indicators and stuff on right.
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> antaranian: are you using Unity shell?
[12:01] <antaranian> ActionParsnip: ye
[12:02] <antaranian> ActionParsnip: yes*
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> antaranian: is min, max etc not in the top left corner when you mouse over?
[12:03] <antaranian> ActionParsnip: well, they are.. but duplicated. https://db.tt/3yBOtvD5
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> antaranian: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[12:05] <antaranian> Ubuntu 13.10
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> antaranian: does it affect all applications?
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> antaranian: or just smuxi?
[12:08] <antaranian> ActionParsnip: all applications
[12:08] <antaranian> ActionParsnip: as far as I've tried
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> antaranian: if you make a new ubuntu user and log in as that, is it the same?
[12:09] <huahax> how do I uninstall something installed with "sudo npm install" ?
[12:09] <huahax> how do I uninstall something installed with "sudo npm install" ?
[12:09] <huahax> ops
[12:10] <antaranian> ActionParsnip: no I think, I have existing user, there's ok
[12:10] <dakira> Hi. I'm looking to reinstall my machine to upgrade from 32bit to 64bit. Unfortunately it's a rather complicated triple-boot setup and if memory serves correctly I couldn't use /dev/sda as GRUBs location. So my question is: how do I find out where my current GRUB is installed to?
[12:10] <gr33n7007h> sudo npm uninstall <package>
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> antaranian: so its settings then :(
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> huahax: man npm
[12:11] <huahax> man ?
[12:11] <gr33n7007h> huahax, sudo npm uninstall <package>
[12:11] <dlcn> Hi everyone, I've got a bit of a problem with my proprietary video drivers and I hope someone can point me in the right direction. Here's what went wrong:
[12:12] <antaranian> ActionParsnip: yes, probably. Thanks for your time
[12:13] <dlcn> I installed a daily Ubuntu 14.04 on a Dell PC with an ATI radeon 5450 video card. Everything was fine, but when I switched to proprietary drivers (via software updates in gnome) it wouldn't boot anymore. It seems to freeze when trying to start GDM.
[12:13] <dlcn> If I unplug my dual monitors from the video card and plug one into the motherboard I am able to get to a terminal. Is there anything I can do except for uninstalling the proprietary drivers to fix this?
 <gr33n7007h>  ok, i guess the problem is to locate the package..
[12:13] <huahax> npm WARN uninstall not installed in /home/huahax/.node/lib/node_modules: "yeoman"
[12:14] <huahax> but its still there if i run it
[12:14] <DJones> dlcn: You're probably best asking that in #ubuntu+1 Thats currently the support channel for 14.04 while its being developed, people there will probably have a better idea
[12:15] <dlcn> Ok thank you Djones, I'll give that a try as well
[12:16] <dakira> Short version: how do I find GRUBs current location (like /dev/sda)?
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> dlcn: #ubuntu+1 for Trusty support, til release day
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> dakira: http://askubuntu.com/questions/205273/how-to-find-out-where-the-grub-is-installed
[12:25] <dakira> ActionParsnip: Thanks! My google foo didn't find that. I hate the search bubble ;)
[12:28] <Joey__> geirha I had customers call me and stuff, but I managed to remove the BOM from the template with the sed command and now it is working. Thanks for your help.
[12:30] <b1n4ry> hello, I am trying to run apache server on my ubuntu machine but I get this error :/usr/sbin/apache2: symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/apache2: undefined symbol: apr_ldap_url_parse. Any suggestions why this is happening?
[12:36] <LetsTalkMetaPhys> How do I set up my laptop so the screen turns back on after i close and open the lid
[12:37] <cfhowlett> !suspend|LetsTalkMetaPhys,
[12:38] <onlty> !hibernate
[12:40] <Dj_FlyBy> so upon adding a static ip to my12.04 server Iedited the /etc/network/interfaces and then when I opened resolv.conf I ee in BIG letters not to edit as it i s handled by resolvconf andresolv.conf is generated automagically. Is this still going to work now that I manually edited the interfaces fileto set theIP to staticor do I need to change something?
[12:41] <cfhowlett> !server|DJ,
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> LetsTalkMetaPhys: what make and model is the system?
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> LetsTalkMetaPhys: what is the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[12:44] <LetsTalkMetaPhys> cfhowlett, it the screen doesn't start after a suspend and I have to turn it off and on
[12:45] <LetsTalkMetaPhys> toshiba satellite c50d-a-13v
[12:45] <LetsTalkMetaPhys> Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[12:46] <Dj_FlyBy> cfhowlett: no offence but the resolv section of tha guide kinda confuses me, hence why I asked here
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> LetsTalkMetaPhys: if you run:  sudo lshw -C display    do you see an Intel GPU and an Nvidia?
[12:48] <llutz> Dj_FlyBy: why do you want to edit /etc/resolv.conf manually? add your dns to /etc/network/interfaces "dns-nameservers x.x.x.x"
[12:49] <LetsTalkMetaPhys> ActionParsnip I think it's AMD/ATI
[12:49] <Dj_FlyBy> llutz: I know not to edit it now (the last time i needed to there was no use of resolvconf generating the resolv.conf as the fie needed to be edited manually)
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> LetsTalkMetaPhys: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1286738    seems to be a known issue, Toshiba seem to always use some weird ACPI power implemementation. Ive not seen much luck with them
[12:49] <ttoine> hello, if I would like to speak with open-jdk maintener for Ubuntu, where should I go on IRC ? I have a serious issue in 14.04
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> LetsTalkMetaPhys: I suggest you add to the bug there to state this affects you, could try the 3.13 kernel as suggested there, may help
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> ttoine: its prerelease, what did you expect!?
[12:50] <Dj_FlyBy> llutz: I get the dns-nameserver part... what is confusing me is the dns-search .....  unsure what to put there as this server hosts many websites but only via a single ip utilizing virtual sites via apache
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> ttoine: Trusty is supported only in #ubuntu+1 til release day
[12:50] <ttoine> ActionParsnip, I would expect that one month before release, Java would work well...
[12:50] <ttoine> ActionParsnip, ah ok, i go at this chatroom. thanks.
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> ttoine: its still unfinished and under massive development
[12:52] <ttoine> ActionParsnip, LTS have been more stable than that in the past, at one month from release... this is not very good imho
[12:52] <LetsTalkMetaPhys> ActionParsnip I don't know much about kernels, how do i do that
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> ttoine: its still unfinished, feature holes are present and paper cut bugs
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> ttoine: its not for production systems, if you need an OS that works I suggest you reinstall with Precise
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> LetsTalkMetaPhys: there are guides all over dude :)
[12:54] <ttoine> ActionParsnip, sure... I was just testing some java apps we use/develop at work, to check if 14.04 is already good
[12:54] <ttoine> ActionParsnip, and I am very disapointed
[12:55] <euphogeeza> ActionParsnip: FYI. I rebooted my server and it came up OK (Phew!). LVM is working OK. I ran "dpkg --configure -a" > "apt-get update" > "apt-get upgrade". Ubuntu reported that 0 updates required.  And iscsiadm / multipath are working too. I have been able to start all the virtual servers.... I now need to take a chill pill  in a quite corner somewhere :-) Thanks for your help earlier.
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: scary times
[12:56] <LetsTalkMetaPhys> looks like this could break my wireless :/
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> ttoine: this is what you just said "hi i'm using an unfinished and unreleased version of an OS and I am disapointed it isnt working as I expect"
[12:56] <LetsTalkMetaPhys> lol
[12:57] <Dj_FlyBy> so I understand how to add the dns-nameserver part to the interfaces file, but can someone clarify for me..... From what I read I gather that the dns-search option is "Not" mandatory?
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> euphogeeza: glad it worked out bro. Id have been changing my trousers hourly
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> Dj_FlyBy: no, the search will simply add the domain you set in the 'search' bit to the names you use in order to help them be found
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> Dj_FlyBy: eg you could have 4 domains: rod, jane, freddy   and a server blue.freddy
[12:58] <Dj_FlyBy> ActionParsnip. I do have 3 domains hosted on this server with Multiple "sub" domains attached to them
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> Dj_FlyBy: if you have the search domains of rod, jane and freddy and you ping 'blue' it will try 'blue.rod' 'blue.jane' and 'blue.freddy'
[12:59] <Dj_FlyBy> ohhhhh.....  I get it
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> and then if they dont hit then try the usual DNS stuff, can make resolving names easier
[12:59] <Dj_FlyBy> ActionParsnip: Thanks a bunch
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> Dj_FlyBy: np man
[13:02] <ttoine> ActionParsnip, my point is more "I have a unexpected issue with some java application, where can I talk to openjdk guys to check if the issue with openjdk or with the application", and try to fix that before 14.04 release...
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> ttoine: then report a bug
[13:05] <cfhowlett> ttoine, and since #ubuntu+1 is THE channel for 14.04 release - perhaps use the assigned channel.
[13:06] <OerHeks> ttoine, it would help if you mention the java app that does not work correctly.
[13:06] <AutomataAlgos> is there any software that is generally accepted as the best for running ubuntu on windows?
[13:07] <cfhowlett> AutomataAlgos, virtualbox
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> AutomataAlgos: vmware, virtualbox ....
[13:07] <ttoine> OerHeks, Bonita BPM, based on Eclipse. Bug #1290838
[13:07] <OerHeks> AutomataAlgos, wubi, virtualbox, depends what windows
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> AutomataAlgos: none are best, wach has advantages
[13:07] <cfhowlett> !vbox|AutomataAlgos,
[13:07] <ttoine> OerHeks, I am in #ubuntu+1
[13:07] <AutomataAlgos> thanks guys
[13:08] <fr33_lasagna> hi
[13:08] <ttoine> ActionParsnip, Bug #1290838 already done. Don't treat me as a beginner, please. I use Ubuntu since the beginning and am the cofounder of Ubuntu Studio... I am here to fix, not to complain
[13:08] <fr33_lasagna> i forgot the command to display the total sizes of each disk
[13:09] <wheatthin> fr33_lasagna, df -h  ?
[13:10] <fr33_lasagna> oh yeah df
[13:10] <fr33_lasagna> i was using du lol
[13:11] <openelecpi> hi everybody - can anyone help me with upgrading my ubuntu release? each time i try i'll get the following information "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[13:11] <openelecpi> This can be caused by:
[13:11] <openelecpi> * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[13:11] <openelecpi> * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[13:11] <openelecpi> * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[13:11] <openelecpi> "
[13:11] <nikolam> I would like to test 14.04 fresh install, but i don't want to loose current 13.10 install. I think it would be nice to use BTRFS subvolume for another install, so I can dual-boot them from same partition from GRUB
[13:11] <wheatthin> openelecpi, please don't spam.. use one line only
[13:11] <openelecpi> wheatthin: sure sorry
[13:11] <openelecpi> wheatthin: wanted to summarize everything in one line
[13:11] <wheatthin> You can use pastebin too
[13:11] <safeith> Hello, I need to convert this "https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9485270" htaccess rules to nginx rules, can any body help me about this
[13:12] <openelecpi> wheatthin: of course - sorry - haven't thought about that! :)
[13:12] <raj__> I disabled root access to my server but I need to access the /var/logs folder from nautilus, but it get errors like permission denied while I login as non root user. How can I access all folder on my server via nautilus ?
[13:12] <cfhowlett> !trusty|openelecpi,
[13:12] <wheatthin> openelecpi, have you disabled sudo too?
[13:13] <openelecpi> wheatthin: disabled sudo?
[13:14] <wheatthin> if you haven't, then you still have root access without logging in...    sudo -s
[13:14] <wheatthin> that's if your user is in the sudo group
[13:15] <openelecpi> wheatthin: what has that to do with upgrading ubuntu? of course i'm able to use sudo
[13:15] <openelecpi> from saucy
[13:15] <cfhowlett> !attitude|openelecpi,
[13:15] <wheatthin> sorry.. it was wrong person. just right below my bad
[13:15] <wheatthin> raj_..
[13:17] <wheatthin> stupid astigmatism
[13:17] <raj__> wheatthin: sudo is not disabled.. i m a sudoer
[13:17] <openelecpi> it wasn't meant bad in any way
[13:17] <wheatthin> raj__, then you have sudo access.. root is disabled by default
[13:18] <openelecpi> but is there a logfile which i can read for further information regarding my upgrade issues?
[13:18] <openelecpi> couldn't find anything in syslog so far
[13:19] <raj__> wheatthin: can  I access folders as a sudoer via nautilus ?
[13:19] <wheatthin> to access certain folders in nautilis, you'll have to change user and exectuable permissions to the user trying to access it
[13:20] <b1n4ry> saucy salamander has been crashing a lot as compared to ringtail
[13:20] <b1n4ry> :(
[13:20] <wheatthin> You can create a common group whom can access it, and then give your user access to the group
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> openelecpi: sudo do-release-upgrade   will take you from 13.10 to 14.04
[13:20] <cfhowlett> !trusty|b1n4ry,
[13:20] <cfhowlett> b1n4ry, errr, sorry.  ignore.
[13:21] <b1n4ry> ubottu, cfhowlett  13.10 keeps crashing. Having a hard time.
[13:21] <openelecpi> ActionParsnip: i was using do-release-upgrade as root
[13:22] <cfhowlett> b1n4ry, more details
[13:22] <openelecpi> ActionParsnip: my problem is that it isn't working "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade"
[13:22] <wheatthin> raj__, chown usergroup:username </filename>     chmod +x -R </filename>
[13:22] <melt7777> After following the instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization and re-doing it multiple times, I have quite a few images that will boot and work in vmware, on my hp laptop, but on my desktop machine it brings up plymouth and hangs, last output verbose text screen is about "startpar bridge for notification of upstart job" start and stop..... ctrl-alt-f# consoles show blank, how can i diagnose?
[13:23] <melt7777> Many search results on this but no solutions
[13:23] <wheatthin> raj__, if you want a whole folder and it's contents use   chown -R usergroup:username </foldername>
[13:24] <raj__> wheatthin: when I am a sudoer I think I have access to everything on system, isn't it ? I want to access most of the folders on my system, cannot apply permisssions to each of them.. is there a way to use something like sudo while accessing via nautilus ?
[13:25] <wheatthin> raj__, you can type in the alt+f2 (run command) and type gksu nautilus
[13:25] <raj__> that was be sudo for the client machine not the remote machine I believe ?
[13:25] <wheatthin> just temporary access tho
[13:26] <wheatthin> ehh, you never said it was a remote connection :P
[13:26] <raj__> i said it was a server.. sorry it was not pretty clear
[13:26] <openelecpi> PS: i was trying to upgrade from 13.04
[13:26] <wheatthin> well then you'll have to change it manually like I said the first time
[13:26] <cfhowlett> !server|raj
[13:27] <wheatthin> on the server, then when you access it remotely from nautilus, it should automatically have the permissions enabled
[13:27] <OerHeks> raj__, start nautilus with gksudo
[13:28] <raj__> OerHeks: would that work for a remote connection..sudo for remote machine ?
[13:29] <wheatthin> no..
[13:29] <wheatthin> it only applies to localhost..
[13:30] <wheatthin> raj__, as a user, your permissions lie on the server.. as you're using those permissions to access it remotely.
[13:30] <raj__> yep.. i understand that..
[13:31] <wheatthin> otherwise we'd be using sudo on our machine to root another lol
[13:31] <raj__> thanks all
[13:32] <raj__> actually the user on remote machine that is being logged in, had sudo access..
[13:32] <wheatthin> yes, but they must access sudo to initiate it
[13:33] <wheatthin> add a common group other than sudo... then give those desired folders permissions to that group. Then add the user(s) to the group
[13:33] <honestemu> Is there any p2p music streaming software that I can set up on my website? Like, I upload music to the server where my website is stored, and a group of people can party up and listen to some music? Is there anything like that?
[13:34] <wheatthin> honestemu, I wouldn't recommend it unless you have tons of licenses
[13:35] <raj__> wheatthin: how do I give permission to a group to access/moidfy any folder on system ?
[13:35] <melt7777> honest probably get a takedown notice for that...try soundcloud
[13:35] <cfhowlett> honestemu, or restrict yourself to CC only
[13:35] <melt7777> raj__, type: man chmod
[13:35] <wheatthin> raj__, personally, I wouldn't
[13:36] <honestemu> wheatthin: What if I make it private to only myself and those I give the link to? I won't have anything linking to it.
[13:36] <wheatthin> raj__, if you want a central way of admining, then I'd use something like webmin personally.
[13:36] <raj__> okay.. so how do I go about accessing anything in nautlius ? should I enble root login or just give up this idea of accessuing via nautilus ?
[13:36] <raj__> okay
[13:37] <kamil_> any body can help me /
[13:37] <SirLagz> kamil_: with what ?
[13:37] <cfhowlett> !ask|kamil_,
[13:37] <kamil_> using a terminal
[13:37] <kamil_> i am sorry ubottu,i am new here
[13:38] <melt7777> raj__ what files are you trying to access that you can't
[13:39] <melt7777> raj__ type: man gksudo
[13:40] <OerHeks> !webmin | raj__, i would not bother to look at webmin
[13:40] <raj__> melt7777: /var/log on remote machine as a sudoer user of that remote machine
[13:41] <melt7777> ah i used to really like webmin
[13:41] <wheatthin> lol.. I use it everday :)
[13:41] <wheatthin> on 13.10
[13:41] <kamil_> any body can help me ?
[13:42] <melt7777> kamil, nope, we don't know what the problem is
[13:42] <wheatthin> I use it to setup all my server side stuff after the initial install.
[13:43] <melt7777> i used to but apparently it's no longer supported.
[13:43] <melt7777> i use centos for my linux servers now anyway
[13:43] <melt7777> but this ubuntu live problem is sucking my life
[13:44] <melt7777> kamil_ that wasn't an invitation to pm, ask your question in the channel, provide details, and wait for someone to help you
[13:44] <melt7777> !details
[13:44] <wheatthin> raj__, ... :)   it's not supported here.. but it personally works for looking at all your logs n file transfers, and allows you to configure access for individual users via usermin, and can control what they have access to.
[13:45] <kamil_> i always ask,but not anyone help me
[13:45] <cap-nuker> what do you need kamil?
[13:46] <u1204> hey, how can I keep my current Ubuntu version 12.04 so that automatic update won't offer to upgrade to 12.10 or later?
[13:47] <u1204> can it be done in Synaptic?
[13:47] <ikonia> u1204: it won't upgrade unless you tell it to
[13:47] <ikonia> u1204: and it will only offer an upgrade to 14.04
[13:47] <honestemu> cfhowlett: "restrict yourself to CC only"? What does that mean?'
[13:47] <raj__> wheatthin: yeah I did use that.. sometimes but not using on this server.. anyway thanks a lot for your kind help..
[13:48] <u1204> I want to avoid a chance that someone might accidentally press a button and start the upgrade
[13:50] <u1204> the computer on which I installed Ubuntu 12.04 runs well at the moment, but I am afraid that once it will be upgraded to 12.10 or later it won't run so smoothly any more.
[13:50] <melt7777> .......ubuntu is the windows of linux
[13:56] <miraiE> hello, I have installed ibus-anthy, but I cannot add it in the preferences
[13:57] <m1chael> i have a bunch of python scripts that need to run indefinitely. what is the best way to manage them?
[13:57] <tripiness> hallo
[13:57] <tripiness> :)
[13:57] <isaacdownlow> What is the actual purpose of the kconservative processes on an Ubuntu system?
[13:58] <VSpike> Hi. I installed vino on lubuntu, but the vino-server is not starting. It has a .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart and my understanding is that LXDE should use that
[13:58] <isaacdownlow> * on an older ubuntu system
[13:58] <VSpike> Any idea why it's not working?
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> VSpike: if you add it to ~/.config/autostart it will run when your user logs in
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> VSpike: what are you using VNC to achieve, there may be a sleeker solution...?
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> melt7777: its just another debian based distro, nothing more
[14:00] <VSpike> ActionParsnip: I tried cd ~/.config/autostart; ln -s /etc/xdg/autostart/vino-server.desktop
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> VSpike: worh a try I guess
[14:00] <VSpike> ActionParsnip: that didn't seem to work either. If I execute the contents of the Exec= line from the desktop file, it works
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> VSpike: what are you using VNC to achieve? what do you do on the desktop usin gVNC?
[14:02] <VSpike> ActionParsnip: It's a wall screen that's used to display a browser with Trello, but the keyboard and mouse are not easily accessible. It used to run XP, and the solution used for control was VNC. I was tryign to mimic that
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> VSpike: so you access the system via vnc, then open a web browser?
[14:03] <melt7777> ActionParsnip, yeah.....but security and userbase wise it is.... i was just being a dummy :)
[14:03] <VSpike> ActionParsnip: yes. I can set the browser to start automatically and set the desired page as the homepage, but you still need to be able to "do stuff"
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> VSpike: cant you access the same service using a remote PC, so instead of http://localhost/whatever   use http://ip.address.of.box/whatever
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> VSpike: then configure remotely using the browser on a remote pc...
[14:05] <VSpike> ActionParsnip: the box doesn't serve the page, it's just connected to a big TV on the wall and used to display a web page
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> VSpike: gotcha
[14:06] <VSpike> I've tried adding it to ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> VSpike: you could make a bash script to run from /etc/rc.local with a sleep in it, then run the VNC server as your user. Background the script so that the boot doesnt hang
[14:11] <mrcarrot> HELLO
[14:12] <lumejill> hi Guys
[14:17] <BlueProtoman> I'm trying to install clang 3.5 via a PPA, but I get this error: "clang-3.5 : Breaks: clang-3.2 but 1:3.2repack-7ubuntu1 is to be installed"  How can I fix this?
[14:17] <BlueProtoman> (Ubuntu 13.10)
[14:19] <backbox> thnks u all
[14:21] <OerHeks> BlueProtoman, from what PPA? ( carefull with ppa's, contact the maintainer if something goed wrong )
[14:21] <someHuman> Is anyone from Qatar here?
[14:21] <someHuman> Or middle east?
[14:21] <BlueProtoman> OerHeks: The official one, deb http://llvm.org/apt/saucy/ llvm-toolchain-saucy main
[14:24] <OerHeks> BlueProtoman, they have a newer section, i would try that first  > deb http://llvm.org/apt/raring/ llvm-toolchain-raring-3.4 main
[14:24] <someHuman> hello!
[14:24] <OerHeks> err # 3.4 deb http://llvm.org/apt/saucy/ llvm-toolchain-saucy-3.4 main
[14:24] <BlueProtoman> OerHeks: The one I gave *is* the newer one
[14:25] <BlueProtoman> Clang's development version is at 3.5
[14:25] <BlueProtoman> And I think I may have fixed the problem anyway
[14:25] <BlueProtoman> But thank you
[14:25] <OerHeks> BlueProtoman, oh oke :-)
[14:35] <slowcon> hey guys, looking to downgrade from unity to lxde. would you suggest to rebuild the server and start clean, or would you try these commands
[14:35] <slowcon> http://askubuntu.com/questions/413569/whats-the-lightest-ubuntu-desktop-environment
[14:35] <someHuman> Hello!
[14:35] <someHuman> My Ubuntu can't reach the same range as with my Windows 8.1
[14:35] <usr13> slowcon: Rebuild the "server"?
[14:36] <slowcon> usr13: yeah im installing desktop on a server
[14:36] <Beldar> someHuman, Same range?
[14:36] <someHuman> Beldar: Yeah
[14:37] <Beldar> someHuman, Of what?
[14:37] <someHuman> With Windows I can use the internet from my room, but with Ubuntu I can't.
[14:37] <someHuman> Wifi, sorry I haven't said that haha!
[14:37] <usr13> slowcon: You don't have to rebuild, just install the packages you want.
[14:38] <slowcon> usr13: was just wondering if unity was going to leave things behind or if it was recommended to start fresh. read that in a comment somehwere but the guy didnt say why he suggests to start fresh
[14:38] <usr13> someHuman: So, what seems to be the problem?
[14:39] <OerHeks> someHuman, some closed source wifi drivers do not work well on wireless-N, try trottle back to wireless-B/G
[14:39] <someHuman> OerHeks: Wireless-b/g?
[14:39] <usr13> slowcon: Just uninstall what you don't want / need and install what you want.
[14:39] <someHuman> Ah, makes sense.
[14:39] <slowcon> usr13: sounds good to me
[14:39] <someHuman> I think I should get a free driver for my internet card.
[14:40] <usr13> someHuman: What does the NetworkManager do for you?
[14:40] <usr13> someHuman: iwconfig   #What does that say?
[14:40] <someHuman> I don't have my PC with me atm.
[14:41] <usr13> someHuman: What wireless card is installed in it?
[14:41] <someHuman> I have ralink.
[14:42] <usr13> someHuman: You will need to go and get your PC and come back, (not much we can do from here).  But while we have *you*, tell us what version of Ubuntu you have installed on it.
[14:42] <sunmoon> need to install xubuntu 13.10 via nomodeset, is it possible? where can I find step by step command line directions?
[14:42] <someHuman> 13.04, fully updated.
[14:42] <usr13> !13.04 | someHuman
[14:43] <someHuman> Yeah I know
[14:43] <someHuman> There's one more problem
[14:43] <someHuman> I can't boot into 13.10
[14:44] <someHuman> Even with a fresh CD
[14:44] <someHuman> It shows me this graphics card config.
[14:44] <usr13> someHuman: So your choices are; 1) Re-install with 12.04.4  or 13.10  or 2)  Upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10.  So get plugged into wired connection and upgrade or get a  USB or CD and figure out how to boot it.
[14:44] <Beldar> !nomodeset > sunmoon
[14:45] <usr13> someHuman: What seems to be the problem?  (Why is it you cant boot to 13.10?)
[14:45] <someHuman> I can upgrade to 13.10 but all it shows me is a blank screen with a  graphic resolution/driver configuration.
[14:45] <someHuman> usr13: With a disc, it doesn't even reach the installation stage.
[14:46] <someHuman> It shows me this graphics card config. dialouge box.
[14:46] <someHuman> Plus, I can't fix it too because it doesn't show the mouse pointer.
[14:46] <someHuman> I totally can't do anything about it, except tty1 configuration. Which I am not familiar with lol.
[14:47] <usr13> someHuman: Plug int wired connection, (so that you have internet for sure), upgrade and do 13.10, do all updates; Ctrl-Alt-F6 and do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  etc. etc. etc.
[14:48] <someHuman> usr13: For sure when after I upgrade, I won't even be able to reach splash screen.
[14:48] <usr13> someHuman: If your turn your WiFi router's security off and make it open, you can use iwconfig to connect.
[14:48] <someHuman> Am stuck at graphic drivers dialouge bx.
[14:48] <someHuman> No, that isn't the problem.
[14:48] <usr13> someHuman: Ctrl-Alt-F6
[14:49] <someHuman> usr13: What will that do?
[14:50] <usr13> someHuman: It will take you to tty6, you login and work from there.
[14:50] <someHuman> Ah
[14:50] <someHuman> Hwo does it differ from tty1?
[14:51] <usr13> someHuman: It doesnt (you have 6 of them), it's just that tty6 is next to tty7, (which is where you come from).  I don't see a reason to skip all the way down to tty1.
[14:52] <Flats> Help... I have a laptop with 2 drives. My first drive has a windows7 that uses windows 7 but work puts mcafee encryption on that drive. I have to login to a mcafee boot screen to load windows. My second drive is the drive bay. I install linux and grub on this partition hit f12 when I boot and boot from that drive
[14:52] <Flats> I just installed linux and forgot to change my boot to the 2nd drive and it installed on my main drive
[14:52] <someHuman> usr13: I actually have no idea about those haha!
[14:52] <Flats> is there any way to uninstall or do I have to send my PC back to be reimaged
[14:52] <someHuman> So, they are just the same thing?
[14:53] <Flats> sorry uninstall the grub
[14:53] <Flats> so it goes back to the mcafee
[14:53] <Flats> I don't believe i forgot about that
[14:53] <usr13> someHuman: It's pretty simple, you just login and execute commands as you see fit.  To go back to tty7 from tty6 you can do Ctrl-Right-Arrow or Ctrl-Alt-7
[14:54] <usr13> someHuman: It is what you do if GUI is too hard for you, or if it is broken some how, or if you just want a simplier way of doing things.
[14:55] <someHuman> usr13: Ah!
[14:55] <usr13> someHuman: You can have all 7 sessions going at once if you want. And there are "screens"  (you can have more than that going on as well).
[14:55] <someHuman> So they are like workspaces right?
[14:55] <cfhowlett> Flats, you can reinstall grub and direct it to a selected target
[14:55] <usr13> someHuman: Correct, (but they are called console sessions).
[14:55] <Flats> But can I remove it from sda so it restores what was there?
[14:55] <usr13> someHuman: or tty's for short
[14:56] <someHuman> Why tty?
[14:56] <someHuman> Ah, so you are working directly on the kernel right?
[14:57] <usr13> someHuman: Why not tty?
[14:57] <staticwarp> hi there, i'm booting a liveusb of lubuntu 13.10 on an amd a4 laptop with 4gb of ram. the install doesn't complete, i just have a long screen with what i'm assuming are error messages.
[14:57] <someHuman> No, I mean what does tty mean haha!
[14:57] <someHuman> Sorry!
[14:57] <staticwarp> the last one on the line says code: and then a bunch of hex values.
[14:58] <usr13> tty just means a console terminal
[14:58] <usr13> someHuman: tty1 is console terminal #1, tty2 is console terminal #2, tty3 is console terminal #3, etc. etc. etc.
[14:59] <staticwarp> one message of note is BUG: soft lockup - cpu#2 stuck for 22s! [ondemand:2169]
[14:59] <pietro10> Hi. I have a problem with bash completion: http://pastie.org/8907571 (full question in paste link); can anyone help? Thanks.
[14:59] <staticwarp> then a bunch of lines run and the bug repeats.
[14:59] <Beldar> staticwarp, Did you check the sum of the download?
[15:00] <someHuman> Ah ok.
[15:00] <staticwarp> Beldar: not yet, i'll check that now.
[15:00] <basketballllll> How to install separate+ gimp-plugin for cmyk support?
[15:01] <someHuman> I just Google'd it, I saw that it means teletype.
[15:01] <someHuman> That's what I wanna know haha!
[15:01] <pietro10> it's an archaic term
[15:01] <cfhowlett> basketballllll, ask the gimp channel
[15:04] <usr13> someHuman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7073962/
[15:04] <staticwarp> Beldar: the  lubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso  sum was not found in the md5sum.txt file.
[15:05] <usr13> staticwarp: Sounds like the file is bad.  (I always just google it.)
[15:05] <helmut_> hi
[15:06] <someHuman> So pty is like the | right?
[15:06] <someHuman> Got it, thanks! ;)
[15:07] <Beldar> staticwarp, You want to be careful in just posting errors without context, many mean nothing without this.
[15:09] <staticwarp> Beldar: i understand. i'll try to give context as best i can and only add the errors when asked. :) so this file is bad? i downloaded it from the lubuntu website. how can i ensure i get an uncorrupted iso?
[15:09] <cfhowlett> !md5sum|staticwarp,
[15:09] <usr13> staticwarp: md5sum lubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso  #Google the output.
[15:09] <OerHeks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.10/release/MD5SUMS
[15:10] <Beldar> staticwarp, It is unusual to get a corrupted iso look at the link above and try again.
[15:10] <cfhowlett> staticwarp, generally speaking, direct download is less safe than .torrent
[15:10] <cfhowlett> well, not so much safe as unreliable
[15:10] <OerHeks> wget the iso, so it can resume after halt
[15:11] <staticwarp> thanks guys, i'll take a look at the links you posted.
[15:11] <usr13> staticwarp: OerHeks has good advise.  I always use wget for large files.
[15:12] <usr13> OerHeks: Actually, he may be doing it from a MS Windows maching and I don't know if wget is cross-platform.  Do you?
[15:12] <usr13> *machine*  (mot maching)
[15:13] <pietro10> Hi. I have a problem with bash completion: http://pastie.org/8907571 (full question in paste link); can anyone help? Thanks.
[15:13] <OerHeks> usr13, not sure too, then i would FTP it, or torrent.
[15:13] <usr13> OerHeks: I use torrent when possible.
[15:14] <jatt> gnus
[15:14] <cfhowlett> usr13, there are torrent clients for windows
[15:14] <cfhowlett> and torrents also have stop/resume capability
[15:17] <OerHeks> pietro10, on what ubuntu version?
[15:17] <usr13> pietro10: I saw that once, and I think it went away in time. Not sure if it was an update or just a couple of reboots that may have changed something, I don't know.  I noticed a friend's new install of Fedora 20 that did not have auto-complete enabled for some reason and I don't know why, (he didn't either), but yea, it would drive me nuts, I use it all the time!
[15:17] <pietro10> hm
[15:19] <g4nym3d3> Hello, I had some errors yesterday while upgrading to 13.10, luckily my computer survived and I was able to reboot successfully, however I am getting a similar error when I run apt-get update I have pasted the error here http://pastebin.ca/2653908 any ideas what I need to do??
[15:19] <usr13> pietro10: What version of Ubuntu do you have installed?
[15:19] <pietro10> I am using 14.04; #ubuntu+1 has not been responsive so I'm asking everywhere :x - I was just pointed to #bash-completion though
[15:21] <usr13> pietro10: It's an interesting problem.  Let us know if you find the answer.
[15:21] <pietro10> ok, thanks
[15:22] <usr13> looking around.........
[15:22] <pietro10> all I see is information on directories not being completed
[15:22] <pi-> Why is it sometimes 'aptitude install' and sometimes 'apt-get install' ?  Do they do the same thing?
[15:22]  * basketballllll stars at usr13
[15:22] <usr13> pietro10: "bash tab completion depends on some scripts being installed. If you had a very minimal installation, you might not have those"
[15:22] <gvo> pi-: more or less
[15:23] <basketballllll> Pi- read here http://askubuntu.com/questions/347898/whats-difference-of-apt-get-and-aptitude
[15:23] <pietro10> pi-: they work differnetly
[15:23] <usr13> pietro10: (conversation on ##linux )
[15:24] <gvo> pi-: but they accomplish the same thing, most of the time.
[15:24] <basketballllll> pi-: http://askubuntu.com/questions/347898/whats-difference-of-apt-get-and-aptitude
[15:26] <basketballllll> Usr13 hows life
[15:27] <usr13> pretty good!  :)
[15:29] <usr13> pietro10: So what do you have in /etc/bash_completion.d/  ?
[15:29] <pietro10> usr13: a lot, but i tried removingt that directory and nothing would change on an new shelel
[15:30] <usr13> pietro10: If you remove that directory, you will have no auto-completion for sure.
[15:30] <demophobia> Tom Petty sounds like George Harrison >_o
[15:30] <demophobia> listening to "Learning to Fly" now
[15:30] <demophobia> ...
[15:30] <demophobia> wrong window
[15:30] <cfhowlett> !ot|demom-,
[15:30] <demophobia> sorry, i meant to click #music which was right above #ubuntu in my channel list >_o
[15:31] <pietro10> cfhowlett: yes, he said wrong window =p
[15:40] <staticwarp> using winmd5checksum, i determined that the checksums match for the iso that i downloaded.
[15:40] <cfhowlett> staticwarp, good news.
[15:41] <staticwarp> cfhowlett: definitely! now i just have to figure out why the liveusb image i made of it won't boot :)
[15:42] <usr13> staticwarp: Is it Win7?
[15:42] <cfhowlett> staticwarp, usbs fail...try a new one?
[15:42] <staticwarp> usr13: it is win8.
[15:42] <cfhowlett> !efi
[15:43] <cfhowlett> staticwarp, a win8 computer will be using uefi - check your settings
[15:43] <staticwarp> cfhowlett: just bought this one. i've used it to boot into a different version of linux, now i'm trying lubuntu.
[15:43] <basketball> staticwarp,  i would try to redownload the iso and the reburn
[15:43] <cfhowlett> basketball, checksum checks - no need for a new ISO
[15:43] <basketball> cfhowlett,  i forgot about those
[15:44] <staticwarp> cfhowlett: i've disabled fast startup and secure boot. it should be working...
[15:44] <cfhowlett> staticwarp, what exactly happens when you boot?
[15:44] <usr13> staticwarp: I just found this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7074164/  (just FYI)
[15:45] <usr13> staticwarp: Are you uinsg a CD or USB?
[15:45] <staticwarp> cfhowlett: first a few lines run that go by too fast to read, then i get the grub menu.
[15:45] <staticwarp> usr13: i'm using a usb.
[15:46] <cfhowlett> staticwarp, wait, what?  you're getting a grub menu on booting the live usb?
[15:46] <usr13> staticwarp: Have you cecked your process?  (You know for sure that you've indeed created a bootable USB?)
[15:46] <staticwarp> cfhowlett: then i select try lubuntu without installing
[15:46] <staticwarp> cfhowlett: yep, grub is here :)
[15:46] <usr13> staticwarp: grub is where?
[15:47] <cfhowlett> staticwarp, some else should jump in here, but I don't see how grub can launch on  a live session
[15:47] <usr13> staticwarp: You are trying to boot the USB device.  Right?
[15:47] <psusi> UEFI uses grub
[15:48] <staticwarp> usr13: yes, i used netbootin to add the image to a formatted 32gb usb drive. grub comes up before the live session starts, allowing me to select try lubuntu, install lubuntu, oem install, etc.
[15:48] <staticwarp> usr13: yes, thats right
[15:48] <usr13> staticwarp: Ok, and what happens next?
[15:49] <usr13> staticwarp: You choose __________________ ?
[15:49] <staticwarp> usr13: i select "try lubuntu without installing" and hit enter. the lubuntu splash screen appears and the little dotsdo their flashy thing.
[15:49] <usr13> staticwarp: And then __________________________ ?
[15:49] <staticwarp> usr13: a few lines then appear, too fast to read, then the screen goes black.
[15:50] <usr13> nomodeset ! staticwarp
[15:50] <usr13> !nomodeset | staticwarp
[15:50] <staticwarp> usr13: if i press f3, i'm able to view a large amount of lines of commands, ending with fixing recursive fault...
[15:51] <staticwarp> usr13: i'll try it with nomodeset and let you know what happens :)
[15:51] <cornfeedhobo> does anyone know how i can vitualize an existing instance of ubuntu?
[15:51] <usr13> Someone help staticwarp boot nomodeset, I need to go now, will be gone for about an hour.
[15:51] <cornfeedhobo> virtualize*
[15:51] <staticwarp> usr13: thanks :)
[15:51] <basketball> cornfeedhobo,  virtualbox?
[15:52] <cornfeedhobo> i remember, when i did windows repair a long time ago, that vmware had a tool for this. i feel like i could just use dd, but i really want to reduce the image size while converting if possible
[15:53] <cornfeedhobo> basketball: VB or maybe xen.
[15:53] <basketball> cornfeedhobo,  what do you want to do
[15:54] <psusi> cornfeedhobo: in 14.04 you can use e2image to copy the fs to an image file, leaving out the free blocks to save space.  You can also use dd/cat, and then run e2fsck -fE discard on the image to remove all of the free blocks after the fact
[15:55] <cornfeedhobo> psusi: niiice. so, small wrench in the mix.... i use the luks+lvm option
[15:56] <cornfeedhobo> basketball: just got a new laptop and am moving to gentoo. I want to vitualize my old laptop so i can make the transition a bit easier (like if i forget a binary or package that i didnt migrate, etc
[15:56] <staticwarp> booting with nomodeset also ends in a black screen.
[15:57] <cornfeedhobo> staticwarp: what are you booting from and on?
[15:57] <psusi> cornfeedhobo: that's a bit of a problem... encryption isn't friendly to trim
[15:57] <basketball> cornfeedhobo,  why dont you just put your files in ubuntu one or dropbox
[15:58] <staticwarp> cornfeedhobo: booting from a liveusb of lubuntu 13.10 amd 64 bit on an amd laptop.
[15:58] <cornfeedhobo> psusi: yeah... didnt think so
[15:59] <psusi> cornfeedhobo: though if you are using lvm, then you shouldn't have a ton of free space... you shuold have left much of the space unallocated
[15:59] <psusi> and expand later as needed
[15:59] <cornfeedhobo> basketball: i have made a lot of customizations over the years. if i dont backup the whole device, i fear that i may forget to backup something and be unrecoverable
[15:59] <larry_> can anyone help me out with adding different resolutions for my monitor? i want everything to fit on the screen
[15:59] <cornfeedhobo> psusi: i was just thinking the exact same
[16:00] <psusi> cornfeedhobo: I usually prefer to hold my vms in a logical volume anyhow rather than a sparse file
[16:00] <psusi> performance is better
[16:00] <cornfeedhobo> hmm
[16:00] <psusi> since you don't get the file all fragmented to hell
[16:00] <cornfeedhobo> yeah. interesting point
[16:01] <cornfeedhobo> okay. i think i know what ideas to explore. thanks guys for the sounding board!!
[16:02] <larry_> can anyone help me out with adding different resolutions for my monitor? i want everything to fit on the screen
[16:02] <cornfeedhobo> ?
[16:06] <salt_> has anyone here installed cordova/phonegap for android dev?
[16:06] <sudormrf> hey guys, did anything ever come of this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RoamingProfilesSync ?
[16:10] <nero_luci> Hi!
[16:12] <cornfeedhobo> sudormrf: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
[16:13] <sudormrf> cornfeedhobo: lol was just looking at that :)
[16:13] <cornfeedhobo> its the only thing i found years ago
[16:13] <cornfeedhobo> the other option is custom script that uses rsync
[16:13] <cornfeedhobo> a also think you can modify bacula to perform this, but i have yet to explore that
[16:14] <sudormrf> cornfeedhobo: I am thinking of somehow using ubuntu one
[16:14] <cornfeedhobo> maybe bacula is what you should be looking at then
[16:14] <genii> I'm having a very odd situation. I'm doing ssh -X <server>   and then running xterm, which works. If do ifconfig from there it shows me correct internal LAN IP of the server. Then I'm running firefox from in xterm. It starts up on my local machine. But when I go to a page thats supposed to show my external IP I'm getting the IP of the client machine, not the external IP of the server. Additionally, which is really weird... ps aux on both machines
[16:14] <genii> doesn't show a firefox process.
[16:15]  * genii makes more coffee
[16:17] <irv> howdy, i installed 13.10 server to an hp dl320e g8, when the setup ran, (it setup off a bootable USB), grub installed to /dev/sda (which was the USB drive). I want to install grub to the HD. I've since rebooted the machine (it will only boot to ubuntu with the USB in there) and did sudu grub-install /dev/sda (/dev/sda is the HD once the setup rebooted), says no errors. reboot and the same issue.
[16:17] <irv> any ideas on how i can verify that grub is indeed installed to the MBR on the HD
[16:17] <irv> it's a SATA drive single volume on a b120i raid controller
[16:17] <irv> when i boot without the USB in it says non system disk or disk error for C
[16:19] <Keanu73> irv: hmm
[16:19] <cornfeedhobo> irv: why not just reinstall grub?
[16:20] <Wiz_KeeD> Does anyone know why setting PUT i compiz config to move to next output simply does not happen when executing the list of commands grabbed and set
[16:20] <Keanu73> or maybe you could buy a kingston datatraveler 2.0
[16:20] <Wiz_KeeD> Plugin is enabled btw
[16:20] <irv> cornfeedhobo: isn't that what grub-install does?
[16:21] <sudormrf> cornfeedhobo: the goal is to have all of the same applications and files installed and existing on each and every computer...without a server.  would rsync be able to accomplish that?
[16:21] <cornfeedhobo> irv: yes. personally, i would get a livecd, maybe run fsck, and then chroot in and use grub-install again
[16:22] <Newfire> irv: do e "sudo blkid" and look if you have done the grub-install really on the hd
[16:22] <leeyaa> hello
[16:22] <cornfeedhobo> sudormrf: yeah. it's just more of a pita and it has to be run manually (or by cron, but then you have to have network connectivity when it executes
[16:22] <leeyaa> how to completely remove a package, including configuration files
[16:22] <irv> k just trying to reboot, ran an update-grub before the install this time
[16:22] <cornfeedhobo> Newfire: +1 i was trying to remember that command
[16:22] <larry_> can anyone help me out with adding different resolutions for my monitor? i want everything to fit on the screen
[16:22] <irv> afte rthat i'll run that blkid :D
[16:22] <leeyaa> i tried purge but it says E: Invalid operation purge
[16:23] <sudormrf> cornfeedhobo: I think we could accomplish it with cron, but how would it ensure that the programs are actually installed?
[16:23] <cornfeedhobo> sudormrf: bash script checks for the binaries and emails you if they dont exist?
[16:23] <cornfeedhobo> not sure
[16:23] <sudormrf> cornfeedhobo: hmm.  I will have to check in to it.
[16:24] <Beldar> leeyaa, What was the command, seen as is in the terminal in a pastebin is useful.
[16:25] <leeyaa> Beldar: http://apaste.info/3yJ4
[16:25] <irv> that didn't do it, so i'll let you know when it's booted again and i can run blkid
[16:26] <llutz> leeyaa: apt-get -v
[16:26] <cornfeedhobo> irv: lame. sometimes, i have had to use gdisk to fully zap the mbr and start over.
[16:26] <leeyaa> llutz: 0.6.43 old
[16:27] <leeyaa> how was this handled in the past
[16:27] <llutz> leeyaa: apt-get --purge remove ... then
[16:27] <leeyaa> llutz: tried it. it complains for non empty folders: dpkg - warning: while removing bind9, directory `/etc/bind' not empty so not removed.
[16:27] <leeyaa> can you force it ?
[16:27] <llutz> leeyaa: remove manually
[16:28] <llutz> leeyaa: mostly because of manual edited configs or some backup-files
[16:28] <leeyaa> i see
[16:28] <cornfeedhobo> sudormrf: is there a server? or does the syncing need to be both ways?
[16:28] <leeyaa> yeah most configs are created manually
[16:28] <leeyaa> ok thanks
[16:28] <sudormrf> cornfeedhobo: I don't think there is a server in place and the syncing would need to be both ways.
[16:28] <sudormrf> cornfeedhobo: trying to help my friend out with this.
[16:28] <llutz> leeyaa: apt-get purge only removes files "officially" belonging to a package
[16:28] <esperegu> anyone knows how to fix a pc that does not boot from the disk anymore after a bios upgrade? I tried to manually repair and ran boot-repair but I just ended up with 4 uefi entries and when it starts that it immediately shows the bios: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7074105/
[16:28] <leeyaa> llutz: i understand
[16:29] <llutz> leeyaa: btw 0.6.43.. what distro-version is using it? still supported?
[16:30] <leeyaa> llutz: it isnt supported ;p
[16:30] <cornfeedhobo> sudormrf: i think you might be able to use btsync. i have yet to explore it, but i know another hosting company that is using it right now for their redundancy (why they arent using drbd is beyond me... maybe there is something to btsync that makes it worth it)
[16:30] <leeyaa> im forced to use it
[16:30] <llutz> leeyaa: time for some action, yes
[16:30] <cornfeedhobo> maybe its because its fs aware
[16:30] <leeyaa> yep it is on my todo list
[16:30] <leeyaa> we are going to upgrade all servers to 12.04 LTS
[16:30] <leeyaa> but thats 400+ servers so not easy to plan
[16:31] <irv> okay so blkid confirms that /dev/sda is the HD
[16:31] <irv> sda1 is ext4 partition and sda5 is swap
[16:31] <leeyaa> or i must say I am going to upgrade them because i cant take this legacy crap
[16:31] <irv> no other partitions except on the USB device
[16:31] <cornfeedhobo> sudormrf: lol. i think i found something neat. wish i hade seen this a while back https://www.csync.org/
[16:31] <llutz> leeyaa: 12.04 and 3 yrs left for the next upgrade-plan
[16:32] <leeyaa> llutz: what is the next LTS stable enough for servers ?
[16:32] <llutz> leeyaa: 12.04, 14.04 will be lts but it takes a while until i'd use it on real servers
[16:33] <asoliman> Hey, does anyone know of a good guide on preseeding? I have an asus laptop with a blown video card and i wanted to run ubuntu server on it
[16:33] <leeyaa> llutz: well then no choice except 12.04
[16:33] <Newfire> irv: You should do: sudo grub-install /dev/sda and then sudo update-grub /dev/sda
[16:33] <llutz> leeyaa: but tbh, i prefer debian for that.
[16:34] <leeyaa> llutz: not my call. i it was my choice i would go for centos in the first place
[16:34] <Beldar> esperegu, I would use the bootrepar developers thread, post the script there, excellent daily help. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10871917#post10871917
[16:34] <larry_> can anyone help me out with adding different resolutions for my monitor? i want everything to fit on the screen
[16:36] <boquete> Hello
[16:36] <boquete> I need some help guys
[16:36] <ldsh> Hello, As I understood, the processor has a temperature limit and on some new one, a power consumption limit. I think My CPU is curently limited with a power consumption limit. Some testing under windows with intel extreme tuning utility shows that the default gives a max turbo short power consumption of 17W and a max turbo power consumption of 10W. I would like to change the general turbo power consumption to be 17W (as it only increase m
[16:36] <ldsh> y CPU temp to 75°C wich is way less thant the critical T_junction temp of 105°C and less than the "high" tmps set at 87°C) How can I do this under Ubuntu?
[16:37] <vanishing> !ask | boquete
[16:38] <boquete> Okej thanks. I've got on 'PRT SCR" xfce 4 , when I press the prt scr it automatycly making screen shot of full screen. I can't choose selected area pressing prt scr. I can only do it : programs -> xfce etc. -> and than i can choose. How to change it?
[16:39] <irv> okay so i ran sudo grub-install /dev/sda then sudo update-grub /dev/sda and rebooted, still says 'non system disk error'
[16:39] <irv> could it be an issue with the fakeraid controller?
[16:39] <vanishing> boquete: hmm...i forgot the shortcut, but try shift+prt scr
[16:39] <irv> should i just throw the controller into legacy or AHCI mode?
[16:40] <boquete> Nothing ;/
[16:40] <boquete> !vanishing nope,not working
[16:41] <Newfire> irv: I would try the first, legacy, and then the second, if that doesn't work.
[16:41] <vanishing> boquete: hmm..try ctrl or alt
[16:41] <ldsh> boquete,  shift+prt scr works for me. It makes the pointer becoming a crox, than I can select the area and it record it.
[16:42] <vanishing> i think it should be one of those..
[16:42] <vanishing> ^same as him on my machine
[16:42] <Newfire> irv: You could try to boot only with the hd; it should work, grub should be ready
[16:42] <ldsh> on Ubuntu-gnome it is shift/prt scr
[16:42] <boquete> Trying CTR: ALT , SHIFT Etc. Nothing. (i ve got now ubuntu studio in Linux Mint everything was working"
[16:42] <irv> i did try that, it still says non systme disk
[16:42] <irv> if i boot without the USB drive in there it doesn't boot
[16:42] <irv> even after the install grub and updategrub
[16:43] <irv> i think if i change the controller to legacy mode i will most likely have to reinstall OS so it may take a bit to test :)
[16:43] <irv> brb
[16:44] <Newfire> irv: in the bios the hd should be the first boot option
[16:44] <boquete> Can i change anywhere that i press example : Shift and it make prt scr. ? I know there was something that but i dont remembere where
[16:45] <vanishing> boquete: yes, you can
[16:45] <boquete> Where? :D
[16:45] <Beldar> boquete, Ask in a mint channel, the keys could be mapped differently, and it's not supported here.
[16:45] <boquete> I'm not in mint ;d
[16:45] <boquete> Ubuntu studio
[16:46] <vanishing> boquete: try gnome-screenshot -a
[16:46] <vanishing> if that works, map it in system settings, keyboard, shortcut
[16:46] <boquete> sudo apt-get install gnome-screenshot
[16:46] <boquete>  owww... Thats why
[16:46] <boquete> It's not installed ;D
[16:47] <irv> Newfire: it is the first boot option. but when it doesn't boot from that it tries other boots options like PXE and usb
[16:47] <vanishing> haven't touched ubuntu studio
[16:47] <vanishing> you might want to use the native screenshot utility though
[16:47] <irv> the only way i've been able to get back into the system is by putting in the USB key that I installed off of and the install put grub onto (it installed it to /dev/sda which was the usb key at the time of installation)
[16:47] <boquete> I install it today :D
[16:49] <Beldar> boquete, you might become acquainted with, #ubuntustudio in case needed.
[16:49] <boquete> Beldar thanks
[16:50] <Beldar> No prob, excellent help, small user list is all on the channel.
[16:50]  * davidWHITMAN is away: C U LTR
[16:53] <k1l> !away > davidWHITMAN
[16:54] <arthurdent> is there any usb drive only iso for ubuntu? the hybrid iso doesn't work with the machine i'm trying to install ubuntu server on
[16:54] <boquete> #ubuntustudio
[16:55] <irv> arthurdent: normal ubuntu server iso + usb loader
[16:55] <Pushy> is it possible to have ubuntu 13.10 to have the classic menu?
[16:55] <Beldar> arthurdent, No usb iso only.
[16:55] <Pushy> like the one stay on the top ?
[16:55] <Pushy> i hate the new menu
[16:56] <Beldar> Pushy, gnome panel is a pseudo gnome 2
[16:56] <Pushy> so can i have back the classic style?
[16:56] <k1l> Pushy: use gnome-panel, xfce, lxde or the old-menue-indicator thingy fr unity
[16:56] <Beldar> also known as the fallback
[16:57] <Pushy> dude, how to do it. you explain to me, but i don't have a clue
[16:57] <irv> k so i put the controller to AHCI mode. gonna reinstall now i presume and hopefully GRUB goes on there :)
[16:57] <Pushy> especially the technical terms
[16:57] <secleinteer> since byobu is a layer on top of screen, does that mean i need to modify my screenrc if i want to customize byobu keybindings?
[17:00] <irv> k did grub-install and update-grub on the AHCI controlled drive
[17:00] <irv> *fingers crossed*
[17:01] <sigpwn> how can I list the conents of /EFI/ ?
[17:02] <ldsh> Pushy, to know how installing the gnome panel ot the gnome-fallback, just serch on a web browser, it will be way simpler for you to folow the instructions you would find like that.
[17:02] <ldsh> Pushy, And you will have some pictures to check if it is in deed what you are looking for.
[17:10] <neyder_> hi there, I got a Pc with 4GB RAM, wich is better 32 or 64 , i'll do virtualization and some multimedia tasks
[17:11] <Teddy5090> neyder_: A good rule of thumb is when a PC has 4GB or more of RAM, it is usually recommended to go 64-Bit because 32-Bit cannot address that much memory from 4GB and up.
[17:11] <SynrG> i'm trying to help a user (friend of family) who wants to install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on her MacBook Air 4,2. we're following the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir4-2 ... she does not have refit, but does have something equivalent that allows her to select the OS to boot. however, the USB stick prepared by the supplied script does not boot.
[17:12] <SynrG> "No bootable system found", iirc
[17:12] <SynrG> i asked her about what the "something equivalent" is. she said it was preinstalled on her system.
[17:13] <SynrG> i'm reluctant to install refit until i know what it's going to do to her system. i.e. this is new ground for me and i don't want her to end up with unbootable OS/X
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> Teddy5090: 32bit can address up to 64Gb RAM using PAE
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> Teddy5090: but eac process will only see 3.2Gb
[17:16] <Teddy5090> ActionParsnip: Yes I realize that, but Ubuntu by default has no PAE support, hence why 64-Bit would be a better choice
[17:16] <SynrG> the rEFIt web page refers me to rEFInd as the actively maintained fork. i guess we go with that and cross our fingers :/
[17:16] <ActionParsnip> Teddy5090: yes it does, thats why older systems have to mess around installing the mini ISO to get the non-PAE kernel
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> Teddy5090: PAE is default in all Ubuntu kernels past Precise
[17:17] <OerHeks> ActionParsnip +1
[17:17] <Teddy5090> Oh maybe I haven't been keeping up
[17:18] <ActionParsnip> Teddy5090: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE   "Lubuntu and Xubuntu offered a PAE and a non-PAE release up to and including 12.04, but from 12.10 only the PAE releases are maintained"
[17:21] <Teddy5090> In my opinion though, PAE is kinda pointless, unless your after a lighter system than what 64-Bit offers, besides many older machines don't have 4GB or more of Ram to take advantage of PAE.
[17:23] <SynrG> and, got rEFInd installed, and stuck again. is there any channel dedicated to helping with ubuntu on mac? or is that just supported here?
[17:24] <SynrG> by "stuck" i mean, rEFInd shows a nice penguin icon for the USB containing the Ubuntu live image on USB, but then fails to find an OS on it
[17:25] <lord4163> Is there any remote desktop application I can install from SSH?
[17:25] <ice91> SynrG: how did you install Grub?
[17:27] <geirha> lord4163: Not sure what you're asking, but it sounds like you might want FreeNX
[17:27] <lord4163> geirha: I'll take a look
[17:28] <compdoc> lord4163:  sudo apt-get install xrdp
[17:29] <ice9> SynrG: hi?
[17:31] <SynrG> ice9: didn't install grub ...
[17:31] <basketball> how do i reinstall the grub menue
[17:31] <SynrG> ice9: following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir4-2 i ran setup_mac_usb_boot.sh which tears apart the iso and reassembles it on the USB, then uses syslinux to make it bootable.
[17:33] <ice9> SynrG: are you using the Ubuntu Mac iso?  do you GPT disk?
[17:33] <agjohnst> I'm attempting ot upgrade my 12.10 box to raring - but update manager and do-release-upgrade only seem to offer the option of 13.10 - is there a way to force it to choose 13.04?
[17:34] <SynrG> ice9: yes, using the Ubuntu Mac iso. (a later version than the one linked; that page has a dead link) ...
[17:34] <SynrG> ice9: as for gpt disk, we haven't even gotten as far as the target disk (i assume that's what you meant?) because the install media won't boot
[17:35] <ice9> SynrG: do you have EFI partition,   other operating systems installed?
[17:35] <SynrG> ice9: OS/X and that boots fine. Ubuntu will be installed to an external USB drive
[17:36] <lord4163> I hate it when they can
[17:36] <lord4163> 't give full links
[17:36] <lord4163> http://developer.amd.com/tools-and-sdks/heterogeneous-computing/amd-accelerated-parallel-processing-app-sdk/downloads/ :(
[17:37] <Joey__> "sudo shutdown now" should shutdown Ubuntu server 12.04.4 right ? I get a fail and it doesn't shutdown, last thing is "will now switch to single user mode"... when I do "sudo shutdown -r now" it reboots as expected without issues.
[17:37] <Joey__> what am I missing ?
[17:37] <Joey__> the thing that failed was "Killing all remaining processess...3
[17:37] <Joey__> "
[17:38] <sudormrf> hey guys, bit of a stupid question:  I setup inotifywatch to watch a directory and now I can't remember if I setup a script to do it or just ran a command to do it.  is there any way for me to verify what inotify-tools is doing?
[17:39] <psusi> Joey__: see man shutdown
[17:39] <ice9> SynrG: to be able to boot Ubuntu you need UEFI bootlader,  so you have to let Grub create that loader by running:   grub-install --target=x86_64-efi  --boot-directory=/path/to/boot/dir   --recheck /dev/sdX ;    sdx where you installed Ubuntu, this will create a file called boot.efi or grub.efi in the --boot-directory  , put his file directly under /boot;   make sure you gurb grub.cfg pointing to the right location
[17:40] <Joey__> psusi I did check, but I don't understand. Do I need to specify -h ? what is halt?
[17:40] <lord4163> Joey__: you miss the -hp
[17:40] <irv> so to confirm, the grub-install during the ubuntu-server setup will install to sda
[17:40] <ice9> SynrG: also you can check guide http://rodsbooks.com/ubuntu-efi/   and I'm going to write a detailed  paper on it
[17:41] <irv> there's no way i can install it to sdb from the setup? so i select 'no' then boot live USB and then manually install grub to sda?
[17:41] <irv> (once sda is my HD0
[17:41] <irv> oh.. i selected 'no' and it gave me an option where to install it!
[17:41] <irv> wow worst UI :P
[17:41] <SynrG> ice9: which is great if we were talking about grub. but the disconnect for me is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir4-2 claims to be correct instructions for our hardware. can you find some fault in it?
[17:42] <Joey__> thanks lord4163, psusi
[17:43] <lord4163> Joey__: No problem :)
[17:45] <sudormrf> found it :D! nm
[17:45] <ice9> SynrG: what doesn't work for you in this guide?
[17:46] <dragostini> Hi all. I installed ubuntu studio last night LTS 64bit, and I have no HDMI audio from my Radeon R7 260X. I'm using FGLRX, and pavucontrol is showing audio being played (activity bars are moving to the music) yet no sound comes out....any ideas? Played with alsamixer, pavucontrol, and added the radeon line to my grub...no dice.
[17:46] <SynrG> ice9: Step 3. "The MacBookAir4,2 has no CD/DVD drive, and cannot start Ubuntu from a USB stick created using the standard tools. However, a script is available that will create a suitable USB image ..."
[17:46] <ice9> SynrG: so that script didn't work for you?
[17:47] <SynrG> ice9: using Debian sid to run this script produces a USB containing contents of the iso. the resulting USB is not bootable from rEFInd, no.
[17:47] <ice9> SynrG: cool I got the solution for you, give me a min
[17:48] <SynrG> ice9: contrary to the instructions to run the script as root, i ran it as my username (which has sudo access) and i was prompted for my password as expected, since every command is prefixed 'sudo'
[17:49] <SynrG> in case of some strange reason i *really need to be root*, i am rerunning the script as root. oddly, the write to USB is much slower this time
[17:49] <ice9> SynrG: download this script http://www.mediafire.com/download/dpgorsfdkf6nn2c/ISO-2-USB+EFI-Booter+for+Mac+0.01+beta+-+Ubuntu+10.10+Live.zip
[17:50] <ldsh> Hello, As I understood, the processor has a temperature limit and on some new one, a power consumption limit. I think My CPU is curently limited with a power consumption limit. Some testing under windows with intel extreme tuning utility shows that the default gives a max turbo short power consumption of 17W and a max turbo power consumption of 10W. I would like to change the general turbo power consumption to be 17W (as it only increase m
[17:50] <ldsh> y CPU temp to 75°C wich is way less thant the critical T_junction temp of 105°C and less than the "high" tmps set at 87°C) How can I do this under Ubuntu?
[17:52] <SynrG> ice9: got it. and?
[17:52] <ramsub07> Hi guys, when I upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10, does the data stored gets affected ?
[17:53] <picos> hello friends
[17:53] <ice9> SynrG: format your usb flash drive as FAT32,  creat a dir called EFI/boot ,   place the downloaded files called boot.efi under boot;  place the ubuntu iso under boot and rename i as boot.iso;   reboot your computer on the grey screen immediately press the options (alt) key and keep pressing till you see the boot menu,   you will see the usb drive, then boot from it, that's it
[17:53] <picos> i have this type of issue Shotwell
[17:53] <picos> Unable to fetch previews from the camera:
[17:53] <picos> Could not claim the USB device (-53)
[17:53] <basketball> http://askubuntu.com/questions/430110/synchronize-status-lights-of-lock-keys-between-two-keyboards-in-ubuntu
[17:54] <SynrG> ice9: i think she tried this before, using the external drive ... which of course she'll need to install to :)
[17:54] <ice9> SynrG: who?
[17:54] <SynrG> ice9: when she brought the machine to me, it had a drive prepared in the way you described
[17:54] <SynrG> oh, the best friend of my daughter for whom i'm doing this tech support
[17:54] <ice9> SynrG: this is the easiest way to boot ubuntu on mca
[17:55] <ice9> mac
[17:55] <SynrG> ice9: she's reasonably smart, but came to an impasse when it would just boot to the grub boot prompt
[17:55] <SynrG> ice9: the problems were twofold: one, she hadn't fetched the +mac version of the iso
[17:55] <SynrG> we fixed that
[17:55] <SynrG> and two was that she hadn't prepared a separate install media ...
[17:55] <SynrG> i did that, but didn't have her instructions to use this grub method
[17:55] <SynrG> i googled and found the page i linked above instead.
[17:56] <SynrG> ice9: so she was basically on the right path already :) and now i've arrived at the same point.
[17:57] <rednecktek> ramsub07: which data? If you mean your home directory and settings, they should not be touched.
[17:58] <dragostini> Anyone have any idea about my sound issue? >.<
[17:58] <joshumax> Whats the problem?
[17:58] <Kekai> How do I extract a tar.bz2 file?
[17:59] <joshumax> Kekai tar -xvjf *tarfile*
[17:59] <tmmunq> v and j are optional
[17:59] <joshumax> or you could use file-roller
[18:00] <joshumax> tmmunq v is but doesn't -j tell tar it's a bzip2 archive?
[18:01] <tmmunq> you dont need to tell it that. try it :)
[18:01] <llutz> joshumax: gnu-tar recognizes it itself
[18:01] <dragostini> I just use tar -xvf personally
[18:02] <Kekai> i need to change directories
[18:02] <picos> i have a nokia lumia 800 , and some driver just wont work
[18:02] <Kekai> How d I change directories?
[18:02] <tmmunq> cd
[18:02] <llutz> Kekai: cd dir/
[18:03] <Kekai> I want to go to the desktop
[18:03] <joshumax> llutz: Huh, when did tar get smart?
[18:03] <tmmunq> cd ~/Desktop
[18:03] <tmmunq> ~ is your home directory
[18:04] <OerHeks> Kekai, good start > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[18:04] <dragostini> Anyone got ideas? >.<... I installed ubuntu studio last night LTS 64bit, and I have no HDMI audio from my Radeon R7 260X. I'm using FGLRX, and pavucontrol is showing audio being played (activity bars are moving to the music) yet no sound comes out....any ideas? Played with alsamixer, pavucontrol, and added radeon.audio=1 to my kernel in my grub...no dice.
[18:05] <joshumax> dragostini: you using the tainted drivers?
[18:05] <sudormrf> hey guys.  having an intersting issue.  so I setup inotifywait to watch a folder.  then I took a look at the folder and realized it wasn't what I wanted.  so now I am trying to delete the folder but it says that the folder is in use.  lsof doesn't show that anything is using it and I have tried to kill the script numerous times and it doesn't seem to want to die.  any suggestions?
[18:05] <tmmunq> dragostini: try testing it with vlc, it lets you pick the audio device
[18:05] <dragostini> joshumax, I don't believe so. The updated FGLRX Driver from the Driver manager
[18:06] <OerHeks> sudormrf, remove that folder from inotify first
[18:06] <joshumax> FGLRX is the nonfree driver, right?
[18:06] <dragostini> tmmunq, the problem is that pavucontrol doesn't have "HDMI" in it's "Configuration" tab; but I can try it
[18:06] <doomlord__> hi, i have a laptop with a broken cd drive, inability to use bios; i have a spare laptophard drive in my desktop (here) and intend to install ubuntu on that... (a) is that possible, (b) how
[18:06] <dragostini> joshumax, yes its the propritary driver (SP?)
[18:06] <sudormrf> OerHeks: not sure how to do that :S
[18:06] <doomlord__> the laptop boots to windows fine, it has a broken ubuntu install already. i plan to put ubuntu on a fresh HD and throw that in...
[18:07] <joshumax> I remember hearing about a bug like this before... forgot the workaround though :\
[18:07] <sudormrf> OerHeks: inotify_rm_watch ?
[18:07] <dragostini> joshumax, I googled many workarounds, and tried each one, such as radeon.audio=1 being added to kernel line in grub...no dice :/
[18:07] <thekkid> My computer is freezing and i get this from the Xorg.failsafe log http://pastebin.com/Dusjrmyg
[18:08] <thekkid> Any help would be appreciated
[18:08] <OerHeks> sudormrf, i never used that application, but logically you need to stop/remove that folder as it is in use by inotify\
[18:08] <joshumax> dmesg | tail output?
[18:08] <tmmunq> dragostini: the option may only be for the foss radeon driver...
[18:08] <OerHeks> check the manual i guess sudormrf
[18:08] <sudormrf> OerHeks: checking
[18:09] <dragostini> tmmunq, it could be yeah. It wasn't working before that though; also, no sound in VLC
[18:10] <fishbrain> after upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 my unity got messed up and when i hit the windows key to bring up the box where i can select apps and such, it turns up empty. waiting or typing something doesn't work. here's a screenshot http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab137/mmethodz/Kuvakaappaus2014-03-11200321.png
[18:11] <fishbrain> any quick fix?
[18:11] <tmmunq> dragostini: did you try without radeon.audio=1?
[18:11] <dragostini> yeah. I had added that line as a last option
[18:12] <tmmunq> also, can you check lsmod, see the other driver is not loaded?
[18:12] <dragostini> here is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7074890/ the results of dmesg | tail
[18:13] <tmmunq> lsmod please?
[18:13] <dragostini> tmmunq, lsmod: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7074896/
[18:13] <joshumax> dragostini: nothing seems oota
[18:15] <joshumax> dragostini: What groups are you in?
[18:15] <sudormrf> OerHeks: man isn't helpful.  it looks like that needs to be part of a script.
[18:16] <sudormrf> can someone help me remove a directory from inotify?
[18:16] <dragostini> joshumax, the user account 'dragostini' is the default user created on install. So whatever groups come by default
[18:16] <SynrG> ice9: anyway, appreciate the help. and now that i look at it, she had an additional problem: she did not name the file boot.efi, but kept it as the original bootX64.efi (unless that is OK?) have to run out for errands and resume this in about 2.5 hrs
[18:16] <dragostini> no new groups created. it's a fresh install
[18:17] <joshumax> but are you in the audio group, just in case it's something simple
[18:17] <ice9> SynrG: bootX64.efi is ok too
[18:17] <dragostini> no idea joshumax, never had to bother checking really; lemme see
[18:18] <erikentity> I am new to Linux, and I was wondering how to add icons to my desktop
[18:18] <dragostini> joshumax, looks like I am indeed part of the group 'audio'
[18:19] <joshumax> hmm
[18:19] <joshumax> You could try installing the free radion drivers?
[18:19] <dragostini> :/ but I have FGLRX installed. I am one of the chosen ones!
[18:19] <dragostini> XD
[18:20] <thekkid> I've tried reinstalling the nvidia drivers
[18:20] <dragostini> joshumax, apt-get install radeon?
[18:20] <joshumax> I think so
[18:21] <SynrG> ice9: ok. so landing at the grub> boot prompt would be consistent with having the wrong .iso?
[18:21] <joshumax> Arch's name is xf86-video-ati
[18:21] <fishbrain> dragostini: never got fglrx to work properly for me. free drivers work great.
[18:21] <joshumax> Nvidia driver's are horrible on Debian too
[18:21] <dragostini> fishbrain what about for 3d usage? I use ubuntu studio for its handy tools
[18:22] <fishbrain> worse
[18:22] <dragostini> FGLRX is worse? or the Free drivers are worse?
[18:22] <ice9> SynrG: what happened?
[18:22] <dragostini> I'm guessing the opensource drivers
[18:22] <fishbrain> dragostini: dependsw
[18:23] <joshumax> I'm starting to remember why I switched to exherbo
[18:23] <dragostini> well I guess I can try. Lemme uninstall FGLRX and install the free driver and see what happens
[18:23] <dragostini> :/
[18:23] <joshumax> ok
[18:23] <fishbrain> dragostini: 3d acceleration isn't that great with free drivers but at least they work
[18:23] <VlanX> do you guys suggest removing journaling on ext4 when having a SSD?
[18:23] <tmmunq> i havent used the proprietary ones in years. they were terrible when i did, crashed my computer everyday, it was like using windows 98. the free one is great, but i dont use it for games.
[18:24] <dragostini> tmmunq, I have windows for my gaming, until AMD steps up it's game with drivers
[18:24] <fishbrain> VlanX: yeah. also if possible disable swapping :)
[18:25] <tmmunq> wait, why remove journaling?
[18:25] <joshumax> tmmunq I've heard it's bad for ssds, but I think it's a rumor
[18:25] <fishbrain> VlanX: there's a lot of ext4 tweaks for ssd. https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization
[18:25] <fishbrain> VlanX: there are some solid tips
[18:26] <joshumax> Here's more info: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Disabling_Journaling_on_the_filesystem
[18:26] <fishbrain> VlanX: adds a lot of mileage for your ssd
[18:27] <VlanX> fishbrain: yeah, already got no swap, just looking smth for get rid of journaling. Iostat now says 526,82 kbps of writes even when idling *sigh*
[18:28] <dragostini> brb
[18:28] <tmmunq> probably should image the drive before i update the firmware...
[18:28] <coreire> I was setting up transmission-daemon and messed it up a bit so I removed it with "sudo apt-get purge transmission-daemon". It got rid of transmission at port 9090 but there still seems to be an instance of it running at port 9091. I can see the process too in a task manager. How can I competely remove it so I can start from scratch?
[18:30] <sun7> booting xubuntu13.10 live Cd, gets to desktop gui and show it for a few seconds, then flashes, then goes grey. any help?
[18:31] <sun7> running live cd off usb actually
[18:33] <fishbrain> coreire: you can disable it in transmission client. settings->remote
[18:33] <pietro10> oh there's a bash-completion update now; let's hope this fixes everything
[18:35] <ice9> joshumax: why to disable journaling on SSD?
[18:35] <FiremanEd> what's the channel for #best-bots?
[18:36] <sun7> am i able to run the install from tty?
[18:36] <psusi> sun7: you can with the mini iso
[18:36] <psusi> or server
[18:37] <sun7> psusi: mini iso?
[18:38] <dragostini> still no dice on the audio using the radeon driver rather than FGLRX
[18:38] <joshumax> darn
[18:39] <dragostini> pavucontrol "Configuration" tab still does not show HDMI and alsamixer f6 (device menu) does not either
[18:39] <dragostini> alsacontrol lists HDA ATI
[18:40] <dragostini> EVERYTHING in alsamixer is unmuted to be safe too
[18:40] <AmbiguousOutlier> do i need to mount my drives in fstab before assemble using mdadm
[18:40] <dragostini> pavucontrol as well as clementine (my audio player by default) both show audio level meters as bouncing up and down to the music...
[18:40] <fishbrain> dragostini: so audio works besides hdmi audio?
[18:40] <Rafajafar> hey I'm on Ubuntu 14.04, just upgraded to see if it'd fix this problem and it's still happening. This software dyn_updater stopped working, and I really need it. When I run it in the terminal I get the following: "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40806) with this library (version 0x40804)"
[18:41] <Rafajafar> I have no clue how to fix it, can someone please help?
[18:41] <Rafajafar> I thought I'd have Qt 5.2 with 14.04
[18:41] <dragostini> Fishbrain Wouldn't know. I Only use HDMI. the OS Seems to think it does? Audio meters move as if music is playing...but no sound comes out
[18:41] <OerHeks> !14.04 | Rafajafar
[18:41] <psusi> sun7: otherwise known as the network install... small initial download, fetches the rest at install time: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[18:42] <psusi> it, like the server iso, uses the terminal installer
[18:42] <fishbrain> dragostini: audio meters propably have nothing to do with actual output levels in this case. i bet you'd hear analog audio. try with headphones?
[18:42] <dragostini> Sure, lemme grab some
[18:43] <sun7> psusi: can i force pae with the mini iso? does it support loopback?
[18:44] <psusi> sun7: what do yuo mean by loopback, and all ubuntu kernels are pae these days
[18:44] <psusi> sun7: though unless you are using really old hardware, it's better to go with 64 bit
[18:45] <dragostini> fishbrain, no sound through headphones plugged into the green headphone jack.
[18:45] <fishbrain> dragostini: hmm.. worth a try :)
[18:45] <dragostini> indeed :/
[18:46] <lord4163> Why doesn't the fglrx driver from the repository include opencl?
[18:47] <dragostini> Hmmm, so I just opened pavucontrol and I didn't notice it had changed... "Output" tab shows "Dummy Device" with sound audio levels bouncing
[18:47] <MerlinRedbeard> I'm brand new to Linux, having just installed Ubuntu server on an external HDD, Major problems: no internet access and inability to boot from old windows 8 partition.  I've run boot-repair, with little to no impact. I'd appreciate all the help I can get
[18:47] <dragostini> I don't recall it saying "Dummy Device" before and could explain it
[18:47] <tmmunq> fglrx from amd doesnt either, its a separate package. why should they be combined?
[18:48] <OerHeks> lord4163,  to compute on CPUs and GPUs
[18:48] <fishbrain> dragostini: have you tried disabling on board audio from your bios settings if such an option is available?
[18:48] <fishbrain> dragostini: see what it does :)
[18:48] <dragostini> Fishbrain not an option that I can recall seeing
[18:49] <fishbrain> dragostini: great
[18:50] <sun7> i am using old hardware which is non-pae, so i have to force pae for my 32 bit non-pae system. i have found a solution where i can upgrade from non pae version whilst still using mini.iso. thank you very much, this has been a 3 day journey which may now finally cometo an end.
[18:51] <fishbrain> dragostini: turn mute off :D
[18:51] <dragostini> fishbrain, I wish it were that simple :P
[18:52] <dragostini> any idea why pulseaudio is now showing dummy?
[18:53] <fishbrain> dragostini: no. what's you 'aplay -L' output
[18:53] <dragostini> alsamixer shows "HDA-Intel - HD ATI SB" as the device
[18:53] <dragostini> :S
[18:53] <dragostini> not ATI HDMI
[18:53] <doomlord__> anyone know how to install ubuntu to a spare local hard drive, from within ubuntu
[18:54] <doomlord__> all my machines have broken optical drives, all my usb sticks refuse to boot
[18:54] <doomlord__> but i have spare drive bays and a spare drive (i have a broken install on a laptop , i'm trying to fix that)
[18:54] <rom1504> doomlord__: with virtualbox
[18:54] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: I'll start the ball rolling. Show us what we are working with -> pastebin the output of terminal command -> sudo fdisk -lu <- .
[18:54] <dragostini> fishbrain, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7075140/
[18:54] <fishbrain> dragostini: that's why i asked if you can disable onboard audio in bios. you should check. it's pretty common option
[18:55] <rom1504> doomlord__: just choose your real drive as a "virtual drive" in virtualbox
[18:55] <rom1504> then you install the vm
[18:55] <rom1504> then reboot
[18:55] <dragostini> Fishbrain I need it for my headset though via USB no?
[18:55] <fishbrain> dragostini: that looks ok
[18:55] <dragostini> I use that for recording audio
[18:55] <fishbrain> dragostini: speaker-test -c 2 -r 48000 -D hw:1,3
[18:56] <tuckerm> I have nagios/opsview on a server. When I get email notifications, it comes from nagios@localdomain. I want to change the localdomain part and I believe I need to set that on the server I am using. It is ubuntu. What are the commands I have to issue to make this work?? Thanks
[18:56] <dragostini> fishbrain, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7075149/
[18:56] <fishbrain> dragostini: here is a similar problem solved http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2139459&page=3
[18:56] <doomlord__> do i use virtual box to boot an ubuntu iso , as if its running of the live cd
[18:57] <fishbrain> dragostini: sorry there was wrong hw device in the command. lol. just pasted it without thinking :D
[18:58] <dragostini> fishbrain, no worries, I remember this fix for linux mint (it was a similar issue) so might work, lemme try
[18:58] <psusi> sun7: yuo don't "force pae".. if your system doesn't support it then yuo need a kernel that does not use it.  And that is quite an ancient system these days.
[18:58] <dragostini> I totally forgot about it I had to use it on my old PC for LM15 a year or so back ^^
[18:58] <dragostini> brb
[18:58] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: See my last . also Window8 = UEFI = GPT partitioning -> many hoops to jump through,
[19:00] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: I'm running Ubuntu on an older machine, it's taking a while to get console up.  and it was either windows 8 or windows 7 to install on the external HDD, and 7 was nigh impossible
[19:02] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: No hurry .. the output of "fdisk" will show us what we are messing about with, and where "grub" - GRand Unified Bootloader - should be installed to.
[19:04] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: and here's to my ignorance--how should I transfer the results from that machine to somewhere you can see?  that machine can't see the ethernet cable it's plugged into
[19:05] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: Boot the liveDVD (USB) from that environmnet the output will work . are you familiar with pastebinit ? - need advise ?
[19:06] <jeevanus> hi
[19:06] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:  Quite frankly, yes.
[19:06] <jeevanus> im installing ubuntu via wubi
[19:07] <dragostini> fishbrain, that gave my output devices back in pavucontrol, no longer "Dummy" it changes now depending on "Configuration" tab choice; but still no audio >.<
[19:07] <jeevanus> but whenever I try to install, it tries to download ubuntu again
[19:08] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:  and no, I'm unfamiliar with pastebinit
[19:08] <fishbrain> dragostini: damn
[19:08] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: NP, Code:sudo apt-get install pastebinit <- .
[19:08] <Flash7475> hey
[19:09] <Flash7475> hey gues
[19:10] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:  I see a bunch of failed fetches and resolution errors.
[19:10] <fishbrain> dragostini: out of ideas atm. thinking :)
[19:10] <dragostini> np fishbrain
[19:10] <OerHeks> jeevanus, wubi does that? or does it download updated packages?
[19:10] <dragostini> fishbrain honestly, I'd be willing to give SSH access if it helped
[19:10] <dragostini> >.<
[19:11] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: Then -TRY this: not real sure ->sudo fdisk -lu | pastebinit. Which I expect will send that out put to pastebin and give us a "URL" realy that URL back here.
[19:12] <Bashing-om> In the liveDCD environment and you are getting errors from the apt-get install pastebinin ?
[19:12] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:   Says it can't find pastebinit
[19:13] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: Yes, I am also unable to connect to internet
[19:13] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: wait one and I will see where the ap is located, maybe have to enable a repository in the liveDVD ?
[19:14] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:   Just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding, what are you referencing with liveDVD?
[19:14] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: When you refer to that I mean
[19:15] <fishbrain> dragostini: what are the devices showing in your All Settings->Sound
[19:15] <dgarstang> how do I fix '*** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).  Stop.' ?
[19:15] <dgarstang> when running fakeroot
[19:15] <Plasmastar> UBUNTU OR KUBUNTU HOW TO DECIDE?
[19:16] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:  Also, does it matter greatly that I'm running kubuntu?
[19:16] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: The medium that you used to install ubuntu ... uhhmm SERVER ! no live environment .. my bad ! Lemme re-think this !
[19:17] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:  Dealio
[19:17] <dragostini> fishbrain, I don't have such a menu, using xcfe so lemme explore and find it XD
[19:17] <fishbrain> dragostini: lol, right
[19:19] <dragostini> can't find a similar menu fishbrain XD
[19:19] <dragostini> is there a terminal command for it?
[19:20] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: Sorry to say, with out a live envornment AND a working interbet connection, I do not know how to help you ! No sense in me wasteing your time. Maybe down load and burn 12.04 desktop edition ?
[19:20] <AmbiguousOutlier> my raid0 is 4TB when i'm using 2x3TB
[19:20] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: This is for a class, I have to use server
[19:21] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: Thanks though!
[19:21] <ldsh> Hello, As I understood, the processor has a temperature limit and on some new one, a power consumption limit. I think My CPU is curently limited with a power consumption limit. Some testing under windows with intel extreme tuning utility shows that the default gives a max turbo short power consumption of 17W and a max turbo power consumption of 10W. I would like to change the general turbo power consumption to be 17W (as it only increase m
[19:21] <ldsh> y CPU temp to 75°C wich is way less thant the critical T_junction temp of 105°C and less than the "high" tmps set at 87°C) How can I do this under Ubuntu?
[19:21] <fishbrain> dragostini: have you edited your grub settings? try sudo gedit /etc/default/grub and find GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" and change it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="radeon.audio=1" then do sudo update-grub
[19:21] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: I menat to use the desktop DVD as a means to trouble shoot the SERVER, and to gain access to the internet to relay information.
[19:22] <fishbrain> dragostini: after update-grub do a reboot
[19:22] <dragostini> fishbrain, already done
[19:22] <dragostini> been done this whole time :/
[19:23] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: the dvd of ubuntu desktop?
[19:23] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: as you can not presently boot the server, we must find a means to install grub properly.
[19:23] <fishbrain> dragostini: :/ i think i can't help you any further, sorry :( i wish i could
[19:24] <MerlinRedbeard>  Bashing-om: I can boot the server, it is up and running next to me.  I have boot-repair on a dvd as well.  That's all I have though
[19:24] <dragostini> fishbrain its okay, thanks. I'll be back, DR's appointment
[19:24] <dragostini> <3
[19:24] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: the desktop edition is the live environment, a complete operating system that is not installed, but will allow us to access the install. Now others may have better advise - I know of no other means.
[19:25] <basketball> how do you open a quicktime movie in 13.10
[19:25] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: Fair enough.  Thanks for trying!
[19:26] <fishbrain> basketball: install vlc player
[19:26] <fishbrain> basketball: i think it handles quicktime
[19:26] <basketball> fishbrain,  i am pretty sure it does where was my brain
[19:26] <fishbrain> basketball: sudo apt-get install vlc
[19:26] <fishbrain> :)
[19:26] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: If you are at a terminal with the serve. that may do, OK, problem restated, can not boot Windows from 'buntu boot menu, and no wired internet connectivity ?
[19:28] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: As far as I understand, yes.  I have Grub installed and then reinstalled through boot-repair, though I don't fully understand either
[19:28] <Plasmastar> Does Ubuntu and Kubuntu have the same packages if I decide I can't choose between which desktop I want?
[19:30] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: Try this, terminal command -> sudo update-grub <- see if that picks up and chainloads Windows - not sure about what would happen if this is EFI booting !
[19:30] <basketball> Plasmastar,  for the most part they have same programs
[19:31] <VicoBK> I have got a problem with Ubuntu
[19:32] <VicoBK> can you help me?
[19:32] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: it found images for linux, initrd, linus, initrd, memtest86+,  and WinXP media, Win NT/2000/XP.
[19:32] <basketball> Vigour,  what is your question
[19:33] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: not the widnows 8 that was there
[19:33] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: Reboot now and lets see if Windows is in the boot menu !
[19:33] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: there is a possibility that windows 8 just got permanently damaged
[19:33] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: Windows 8 IS a whole new ballgame ! .. UEFI and GPT partitioning !
[19:33] <basketballllll> '
[19:34] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:  Unfortunately, that went entirely over my head
[19:35] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: Not likely that the W8 install is damaged, nost likely the efi boot sector is now corrupted ( fixable) .
[19:35] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: This is good news at least.
[19:36] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: At minimum I have new google keywords to search for
[19:36] <Bashing-om> ME the old boot method prior to W8 was MBR, with W8 it is EFI .. whole different booting scheme !.
[19:38] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:  Understood.  ugly, but better than what I had
[19:39] <eintw1ck> Hi, according to http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ i can sync an ipod touch 4g, does anyone know how i can utilise this library?
[19:39] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: I do not do Windows, I am aware it is possible to repair the boot partition from the Windows repair disk. Others WILL have to help in that respect.
[19:39] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:  Thanks again!
[19:40] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: I have not helped much, just shed a little light. The situation is not hopeless.
[19:41] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om:  Still, it's help I didn't have before
[19:42] <slowcon> hey guys, does anyone here use noVNC?
[19:43] <slowcon> trying to set that up so when you go to my domain, i can login to my server
[19:45] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: Hey you helped me yesterday :) I just want to understand in detail, what did that different stack do , in order to solve my problem :D
[19:45] <Psil0Cybin> just so I can document what we did for next time
[19:46] <eintw1ck> Hi, according to http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ i can sync an ipod touch 4g, does anyone know how i can utilise this library?
[19:46] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: As a thought, have you changed the boot priority in BIOS to boot the internal hard drive ( that has Windows) and insure that there is no damage ?
[19:47] <Bashing-om> MerlinRedbeard: I should hope that MBR booting method is installed onto the external drive (server) and MBR knows nothing about EFI booting !
[19:48] <joshumax> eintw1ck: http://www.libimobiledevice.org/docs/html/files.html
[19:49] <mknarr> join #vmware
[19:52] <ixio> which command is it to create a user with a homedir and a shall etc? useradd or adduser ?
[19:52] <doomlord__> i have finally found a usb stick which boots my troubled laptop
[19:54] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: Sorry, I stepped away for a minute.  Windows 8 is also on the external in a different partition
[19:54] <joshumax> !man adduser
[19:54] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: So as of the moment, noone can see the windows 8 boot
[19:57] <MerlinRedbeard> Bashing-om: I'm pretty sure I just have to reinstall everything, just using bcdboot or something else this time, not grub
[20:03] <williamtdr> Hello.
[20:03] <williamtdr> I can't get this computer to work properly with it's displays.
[20:03] <williamtdr> It has 2 NVIDIA GPUs, 2 screens on the first, 2 on the second.
[20:04] <williamtdr> I've installed the proprietary drivers and both are recognised by the setup utility.
[20:04] <williamtdr> However, on the two second screens, it displays a white screen with a black x cursor.
[20:04] <williamtdr> Or, when at the login screen or in lxde, a black screen with a black cursor.
[20:05] <williamtdr> I've been trying for a while to get it to activate the second two screens with no avail.
[20:05] <williamtdr> A little help please? :)
[20:09] <cumshot> If you don't wash underneath the foreskin correctly, a cheesy-looking substance called smegma may begin to gather.
[20:10] <hggdh> !ops cumshot
[20:10] <basketball> !ops | cumshot
[20:11] <basketball> thank you k1l_
[20:11] <hggdh> bah, forgot the pipe
[20:12] <armin_> hello
[20:13] <TMoney> fucking keyboard
[20:13] <Rafajafar> hey guys, I ran iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 81 -j ACCEPT
[20:13] <Rafajafar> and yet 81 still doesn't respond
[20:13] <Rafajafar> apache has the Listen 81 directive too
[20:13] <Rafajafar> anything else I should check? AppArmor?
[20:14] <k1l_> TMoney: please dont swear in here. thanks
[20:14] <Rafajafar> I also ran "ufw allow 81"
[20:15] <Rafajafar> when I run "lsof -ni :81" it says it's listening too
[20:15] <Rafajafar> what could be blocking port 81?
[20:15] <usr13> Rafajafar: Why did you run an iptables rule to allow port 81?  (Did you previously block it?)
[20:16] <usr13> Rafajafar: Did you look at what rules you already had?
[20:16] <Rafajafar> yes
[20:16] <usr13> Rafajafar: iptables -L
[20:16] <usr13> Rafajafar: And did you see one blocking prot 81?
[20:16] <Rafajafar> nothing reported a block
[20:16] <Rafajafar> and if I run
[20:16] <Rafajafar> sudo nmap -T Aggressive -A -v 127.0.0.1 -p 1-65000
[20:16] <usr13> Rafajafar: yes _____________________?  what?
[20:17] <Rafajafar> the only thing that's requesting it's port is apache
[20:17] <Rafajafar> usr13: yes that's the first thing I said
[20:17] <Rafajafar> I created an iptables rule
[20:17] <usr13> Rafajafar: You created an iptables rule to do ________________ ?  (What?)
[20:18] <dgarstang> is anyone aware of a genral purpose templating system for linux available as a binary? And don't say puppet/chef. This is a different use case.
[20:18] <Rafajafar> usr13: that should accept requests on port 81
[20:19] <Rafajafar> usr13: "[16:13]	Rafajafar	hey guys, I ran iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 81 -j ACCEPT"
[20:19] <usr13> Rafajafar: nmap -p81 localhost
[20:19] <Rafajafar> is that command not correct?
[20:19] <Rafajafar> ok running that, one sec
[20:19] <usr13> Rafajafar: We saw that                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[20:19] <Rafajafar> says it's open
[20:20] <Rafajafar> but the host service is hosts2-ns ?
[20:20] <Rafajafar> shouldn't that say apache?
[20:20] <usr13> Rafajafar: lynx --dump localhost:81
[20:21] <Rafajafar> k one sec
[20:21] <basketball> who needs help
[20:22] <Rafajafar> interesstting
[20:22] <Rafajafar> thanks usr13 that loaded a page... I was testing off of something stupid
[20:22] <usr13> Rafajafar: Okeydokey
[20:22] <Rafajafar> mydomain:81 isn't working
[20:22] <dougl> trying to install LAMP stack on 14.04 - what provides libapache2-mod-auth-mysql?
[20:22] <Rafajafar> which is something else, I gotta look into ddclient
[20:23] <usr13> Rafajafar: grep Listen  /etc/apache2/ports.conf  (Will tell you what prots it's told to listen on.)  (Don't forget to restart apache after each configuration change.)
[20:23] <Rafajafar> thanks man
[20:23] <usr13> NP
[20:24] <Rafajafar> I think, and maybe one of you on the off chance would know, but I think that dyndns's webskip only forwards ports 80 and 8080
[20:24] <Rafajafar> if not no worries, I'll look into it
[20:25] <usr13> Rafajafar: I do not think dyndns forwards ports, (that is something you do on your router).
[20:25] <Rafajafar> ok thanks
[20:25] <Rafajafar> ohhhh right, thanks
[20:25] <usr13> Rafajafar: dyndns just tracks IP
[20:26] <Rafajafar> now I remember
[20:26] <Rafajafar> yeah running a local test site from home is a pain in the butt
[20:26] <Rafajafar> I gotta config the router
[20:26] <usr13> Rafajafar: Yep. Usually not worth the touble.
[20:26] <dougl> trying to install mysql for apache config on 14.04 - what provides libapache2-mod-auth-mysql in 14.04??
[20:26] <Rafajafar> yeah :-/
[20:27] <usr13> dougl: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql - Apache 2 module for MySQL authentication
[20:27] <usr13> !info libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
[20:28] <dougl> right usr13 where do I find that for 14.04??
[20:28] <Bray90820_> Is there any way to incres the size of the close mnimize and maxamize buttons
[20:28] <Rafajafar> blamo, that was exactly it, thanks usr13
[20:29] <k1l_> dougl: for 14.04 please ask in #ubuntu+1
[20:29] <usr13> dougl: apt-cache search libapache2-mod-auth
[20:30] <mekon> do you know any meaningful method of disabling gdm/kdm from autostart?
[20:31] <Bray90820_> Is there any way to incres the size of the close mnimize and maxamize buttons
[20:31] <Beldar> !text | mekon
[20:32] <Beldar> mekon, Not sure why you would disable those, what is the end goal?
[20:32] <phunyguy> Beldar: probably graphics issues.
[20:32] <mekon> Beldar: i like look of text mode
[20:33] <Beldar> mekon, So the bots message fits your needs?
[20:34] <mekon> Beldar: i try it bu i discover another way apt-get autoremove --purge kdm lightdm working as i expect
[20:35] <usr13> mekon: Yea, remove the packages to permanently stop them.
[20:36] <usr13> mekon: But you can just dissable them and not remove, (if you want).
[20:37] <mekon> usr13: i try just stopping them but without result
[20:38] <mekon> usr13: after removing gdm/kdm there is need to install xinit and evrething working very well
[20:38] <john96> unity launcher/notification bar not appearing after reboot in ubuntu 13.10... any ideas?
[20:39] <Bray90820_> Is there any way to incres the size of the close mnimize and maxamize buttons
[20:40] <kaneko> Hi everibody! somebody i have a problem with "erlang-wx"
[20:40] <kaneko> did somebidy know that?
[20:41] <kaneko> i try to install wings3D
[20:42] <kaneko> and the computer told me i need "erlang-wx" but he can't install it!
[20:42] <kaneko> please i needyour help
[20:42] <kaneko> !!
[20:43] <kaneko> please people!!
[20:43] <mekon> do not help him
[20:43] <mekon> kill him!
[20:44] <kaneko> why?
[20:44] <john96> unity launcher/notification bar is not present after reboot in ubuntu 13.10... any ideas?
[20:44] <kaneko> méTcon toi
[20:45] <usr13> mekon: You could also edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg and go the kernel that you boot to and change  "quiet splash" to text and then do sudo update-grub
[20:46] <pi-> How can I redirect incoming web traffic (says someone on the cloud points their browser to http://mysite) to localhost:8080?
[20:49] <usr13> mekon:  I think that is old instructions, now we edit; /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"  to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" and uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[20:49] <usr13> pi-: Well, you could do it on your router
[20:50] <usr13> pi-: (It depends on your network configuration and where you want to redirect the requests from.)
[20:50] <pi-> This is a VPS on Digital Ocean...
[20:51] <qin> pi-: ...and you have Ubuntu desktop?
[20:52] <pi-> No, it's Ubuntu server
[20:52] <dontaskcece> with a  frequently disconnect (per ~5 min) , duplicity didn't works so well. I can only use rsync ,but no way to encryp
[20:52] <usr13> pi-: Are you running apache2?
[20:53] <pi-> Currently no, just node.js to serve pages
[20:54] <usr13> pi-: Well, I for one, am unclear as to what you want to do.  You want to redirect *what* incoming traffic?
[20:55] <usr13> pi-: Normally, if you want a server to listen on a particular port, you tell it to listen on that port.  If port forwarding is done, it is done on the router that is in front of it.  As far as a VPS, well I don't know what you do about it.
[20:57] <pi-> I think the problem is that Node.js has to run my script as root if it is to receive on Port < 1024 (specifically port 80)
[20:57] <pi-> So the proper way to do it is to run another process as root that forwards traffic to say Port 8080
[21:00] <qin> pi-: http://proghowto.com/iptables-redirect-port-80-to-port-8080 if it is really the case
[21:01] <pi-> Thanks qin!
[21:03] <Bray90820_> is there a way to incress the close and maxamize buttons
[21:03] <qin> pi-: or install Apache and use virtual server for node.js
[21:03] <Bray90820_> th size of them
[21:04] <pi-> qin: is there any particular benefits of using Apache or nginx over your link? (I've been told both can accomplish what I'm looking for, but your link is super neat as it is only three lines)
[21:04] <qin> Bray90820_: use different theme or use Alt-Space combo. You mean in gnome?
[21:05] <Bray90820_> qin: i can't use alt+spae very well on a touch screen
[21:05] <qin> pi-: more overhead... it depense if you want to extend your server
[21:05] <qin> Bray90820_: my bad...
[21:05] <pi-> You mean to accept incoming connections on different ports?
[21:05] <Bray90820_> :P
[21:09] <Bray90820_> qin: what would you suggets i do
[21:15] <qin> Bray90820_: there is "aspect_ratio" value in metacity-theme-3.xml
[21:16] <Bray90820_> qin: I'll hve a look thanks
[21:31] <tiblock> Hi. Where i can see list of all shortcuts, like "ll" for "ls -l"?
[21:52] <Skaag> I just installed the 'gem' package, but running 'gem' says it's not found... any ideas?
[21:55] <DJ_U|Laptop> what the heck?
[21:56] <geirha> Skaag: pd-gem
[21:57] <geirha> !netsplit
[21:58] <Skaag> geirha: what's pd-gem?
[21:58] <DJ_U|Laptop> One of the more interesting "netsplits" I've seen in awhile.  :/
[21:59] <Skaag> damn, I understand what I've done wrong
[21:59] <Skaag> I'm looking for ruby-gem
[21:59] <Skaag> :)
[21:59] <geirha> :)
[22:00] <geirha> Skaag: dpkg -L packagename   to see a liast of the installed files of a package you've installed
[22:02] <cutchyacokov> Hello. I'm trying to install 13.04 on my eee 701, is it just me or is there no available non-pae kernel despite the fact that there is non-pae install media available?
[22:03] <ORA> hi
[22:03] <usr13> Dj_FlyBy: YOu still there?
[22:05] <qin> cutchyacokov: Lubuntu?
[22:06] <cutchyacokov> qin: Ubuntu 13.04 mini image, alternate install media without the PAE requirement
[22:07] <cutchyacokov> qin: Actually it might be 12.04, sec
[22:08] <qin> 13.04 is eol, me thinks
[22:08] <k1l_> yep it is
[22:09] <cutchyacokov> qin: yeah 12.04, sorry
[22:09] <k1l_> and since 12.04 all ubuntu releases have PAE required, iirc
[22:10] <cutchyacokov> k1l_: Then why do they offer a non-pae iso? Just as a tease?
[22:11] <k1l_> do they?
[22:11] <cutchyacokov> k1l_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/12.04/
[22:12] <cutchyacokov> k1l_: i386 (generic, non-PAE)
[22:12] <k1l_> well, i meant "after" 12.04. sorry for that
[22:13] <cutchyacokov> k1l_: ah, ok so the linux-image-generic-lts-quantal may wor? I'm having trouble finding the right one
[22:13] <cutchyacokov> work*
[22:13] <kamil_> are you here cap_nuker
[22:14] <windows> hi
[22:14] <elbixo2> Hi all
[22:14] <k1l_> cutchyacokov: i dont think the LTS backport kernel will have non-PAE
[22:14] <kostkon> cutchyacokov, that's pae enabled
[22:15] <cutchyacokov> k1l_, kostkon: I don't see any in the list that say backports, do either of you know whioch one I should choose? or do I have to exit the installer and install the kernel manually?
[22:16] <windows> I use kubuntu 13.10 and after one week of using plasma panel starts to be crazy it slow down my laptop to the maximum its hard to move mouse  any help ????
[22:16] <k1l_> cutchyacokov: the kernel you just named is from the enablement stack. that are backport kernels from the recent ubuntu releases to get newer kernels into the lts.
[22:16] <kostkon> cutchyacokov, i don't think the hwe kernels reside in backports.
[22:16] <k1l_> cutchyacokov: go with the standard 12.04 kernel.
[22:17] <cutchyacokov> kostkon: Ah, I see an hwe option, is that the one without pae?
[22:17] <cutchyacokov> k1l_: Whwn I did the regular install it failed, that's why I'm trying the expert install
[22:18] <kostkon> cutchyacokov, no, the backported quantal kernel   hwe is this -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[22:19] <wotan147> I try to follow that tutorial about writing linux driver http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/drivers_linux but it fails at the very begining with "no rules to target modules"
[22:19] <wotan147> any idea?
[22:24] <Jordan_U> wotan147: Using an almost decade old guide to try to write a kernel driver is going to give you many more problems than that.
[22:24] <TimRiker> argh... upgraded to ubuntu 13.10 and I can't seem to get apache 2.4 to select php files with multiviews. I drop phpinfo.php in /var/www and http://localhost/phpinfo.php works, but http://localhost/phpinfo does not. There is an index.html and http://localhost/ works, as does http://localhost/index.html and http://localhost/index
[22:26] <rosco_y> what are the default video drivers used with ubuntu 13.10?
[22:26] <wotan147> Jordan_U do you know about a more up-to-date, ubuntu foccussed tutorial ?
[22:26] <rosco_y> I'm thinking of trying the native drivers for my NVIDIA card, but I want to be able to revert to these default drivers if it doesn't work out for me.
[22:27] <Jordan_U> wotan147: What is your end goal?
[22:30] <pietro10> Hi. Playing with the KVM with virt-manager; how do i get it to not capture my keyboard input when I move my mouse into the virtual screen? I use a screen magnifier and it's annoying when what I type doesn't go into the active program because the VM took the keyboard. Thanks.
[22:30] <wotan147> Jordan_U The very end goal would be to make a very small and simple electornic device with arduino or something that for instance send Infra Red signals to Hifi System. I would build it, and then write a driver for linux to control it when it is hanged to the usb port. Then I would be able to write graphical application that uses the device
[22:31] <wotan147> but right now, the goal would be only the learn the very basic of driver writing starting with the compilation chain. that is why I thought the guide was good
[22:34] <Jordan_U> wotan147: Try asking in ##kernel, after reading their channel's topic (which includes links to http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ among other things). You're not going to find anything particularly Ubuntu specific about writing a kernel module.
[22:35] <Jordan_U> wotan147: And it's always best to state your end goal first, for example after asking about your end goal in #kernel you may find that someone suggests an existing hardware interface you could make your Arduino use, that would be more reliable and easier to use than a completely home grown solution.
[22:36] <wotan147> Jordan_U Allright, thank you. I will read this doc then
[22:37] <Jordan_U> wotan147: You're welcome.
[22:41] <q0> is it anatomically possible to go ankle deep ?
[22:41] <Jordan_U> q0: I think you're in the wrong channel :)
[22:42] <q0> sorry
[22:46] <deception> Does the standard Ubuntu Desktop install ISO have the ability to boot from UEFI?
[22:50] <himcesjf> deception: Hey did you check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI ?
[22:51] <LvM_> Hi guys
[22:52] <Eisen_> Anyone have experience with Ubuntu 12.10 and Wacom Intuos support?
[22:52] <deception> himcesjf, >=12.04.2 Supports it, Thanks!
[22:54] <Beldar> Eisen_, Address the actual issue for help.
[22:55] <LvM_> quick question: I just downloaded lubuntu and I was directed to a torrent link (bcz it will save money on the bandswitch of their server or something like that), there is not something similar on ubuntu? Or does ubuntu does mind about direct download link?
[22:56] <kostkon> !torrents | LvM_
[22:56] <LvM_> Thank you !
[22:56] <OerHeks> LvM_, as long it is the real torrent > http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[22:57] <combinatoric> sometimes if you're using a torrent you should mdsum5 the file to make sure it's genuine
[22:57] <LvM_> okok, I ll google what it means, thanks for your help guys
[22:58] <kostkon> !md5sum | LvM_
[22:58] <LvM_> nice, thanks <3
[23:02] <apb1963> Could someone run dhcpdump on their machine and tell me if you're sending out continual bootp requests (about every 15 seconds or )?  That's what my machine does and I'd like to know if anyone else is seeing this as well (and doesn't know it).
[23:03] <Ryan_> join #openwrt
[23:06] <robi2> hola
[23:06] <robi2> !list
[23:10] <alejandro> quit
[23:10] <Chris23482098023> yes
[23:11] <Chris23482098023> just me derping alone in here
[23:16] <Bauer> hey, can anyone help me? I'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04 on my notebook, I copyed the iso into my formated usb disk, tried booting form the usb, and it gave me the error, when booting :  remove disk or midia. press any key to continue
[23:16] <willwh> Bauer: is usb-hdd set as a your boot priority in bios?
[23:16] <Beldar> Bauer, Was this copy a dd or a app?
[23:16] <willwh> is this a new notebook? does it have uefi?
[23:16] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:16] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:17] <Bauer> the usb is set as my boot priority in bios
[23:17] <cyber> Bauer: you know why?
[23:17] <cyber> Bauer: because fuck systemd
[23:17] <Bauer> i downloaded the ubuntu frm the site and copied to the pen drive
[23:17] <cyber> Bauer: FUCK systemd
[23:17] <Bauer> willwh it's kind of a new notebook, it has uefi,
[23:18] <SuperLag> cyber: shut UP already. Seriously.
[23:18] <cyber> fuck uefi too
[23:18] <Beldar> Bauer, How did you copy it, and have you checked the md5sum?
[23:18] <cyber> SuperLag: uefi sucks
[23:18] <veke> Hello all with sshfs
[23:19] <veke> i get a lot of BUG reports
[23:19] <Bauer> Beldar, i just copied it from my windows desktop, i haven't checked the md5sum
[23:19] <veke> plus "ls -al" gets "Killed"
[23:19] <willwh> Bauer: you just copied the ISO on the usb stick?
[23:19] <Beldar> Bauer, You would use a app to load the usb, like unetbootin is one.
[23:19] <willwh> that won't work
[23:19] <Bauer> willwh yes
[23:20] <willwh> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[23:20] <SuperLag> why hasn't some op kicked cyber the troll already? They do for every other off-topic violation.
[23:20] <willwh> I assume it's win8 on there atm?
[23:20] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:20] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:20] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:20] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:20] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:20] <willwh> cyber: watch your language thanks
[23:20] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:20] <veke> pussy?
[23:20] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:20] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:20] <Bauer> willwh i uninstalled the win8 from notebook and installed win7
[23:20] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:20] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:20] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:20] <SuperLag> ~ops
[23:20] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:20] <willwh> guys just /ignore cyber
[23:20] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:20] <willwh> problem solved
[23:20] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:20] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:20] <Bauer> Beldar will try donwloading that then
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <dmarr> trolly bollys
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <Chris23482098023> i second you shutting up
[23:21] <willwh> and if you haven't, /ignore cyber
[23:21] <willwh> :)
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <dmarr> Chris23482098023: can you shorten your name
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <willwh> Bauer: you probably still have UEFI enabled
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:21] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:21] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:22] <willwh> and secureboot?
[23:22] <erry> cyber, that would be enough
[23:22] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:22] <cyber> Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice.
[23:22] <cyber> Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[23:22] <Bauer> willwh i tried disabling secureboot and UEFI
[23:22] <erry> we saw it the first time
[23:22] <cyber> willwh: sorry for saying "systemd"
[23:22] <cyber> willwh: systemd is bad language
[23:22] <Bauer> willwh it still doesnt work
[23:22] <cyber> willwh: is correct, systemd IS a curse.
[23:22] <willwh> Bauer: because you have an ISO on the usb stick
[23:22] <willwh> you need to use pendrivelinux or something similar (if you're in windows) to write the ISO image properly to a usb stick
[23:23] <willwh> not just drop the ISO on to the stick
[23:23] <tharkun> cyber: Nice, but still keep it on the apropiate channel. Write down some facts and state  your case.
[23:23] <OerHeks> cyber please stop the rant and keep this channel clear for ubuntu support
[23:23] <Bauer> willwh oh, ill try it then
[23:23] <Bauer> will thx
[23:24] <Dylan> Yao.
[23:24] <willwh> np
[23:24] <Dylan> Anyone around?
[23:24] <willwh> yes
[23:24] <greeter> there is indeed
[23:24] <Dylan> Word.
[23:24] <Dylan> I could use a little Ubuntu installation help.
[23:24] <willwh> new win8 laptop? ;)
[23:24] <Dylan> Old Win7.
[23:24] <willwh> oh
[23:24] <willwh> what's the problem?
[23:25] <Dylan> Well, HOPEFULLY I'm done with the problems.
[23:25] <willwh> ok
[23:25] <Dylan> I just need some advice on partitioning.
[23:25] <willwh> I have 5min
[23:25] <SuperLag> New 'buntu is awesome. 14.04 is going to rock the house even better than 13.10 already does :)
[23:25] <willwh> Dylan: ok
[23:25] <SuperLag> Dylan: have you worked Linux before?
[23:25] <willwh> I go with a seperate /home/ and /usr/ partitions on my boxes
[23:25] <Dylan> Basically, I want to dual boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu, and I want Ubuntu to be the main OS.
[23:25] <willwh> partition*
[23:25] <Dylan> Yea, been using Ubuntu for the last 3 years.
[23:25] <willwh> ok
[23:25] <Dylan> Although I'm not good enough at it to understand what you just said there.
[23:26] <usr13> Dylan: So how much space to you have set aside for Ubuntu?
[23:26] <willwh> I would go 3/4 ext4, and 1/4 of the disk as ntfs
[23:26] <Dylan> I got a 500 GB harddrive, and I want to give Windows just enough space to run without dying.
[23:26] <willwh> eesh
[23:26] <willwh> that's not a good idea
[23:26] <Dylan> Why not?
[23:26] <willwh> windows *likes* to have lots of disk space for swap
[23:26] <willwh> (10%)
[23:26] <tharkun> Dylan: Let windows pick its own partition. Then install ubuntu and tell grub to boot it first. Windows is picky about not beeing installed first
[23:26] <willwh> and it runs like mince without it
[23:26] <Dylan> Okay, then give it that 10%.
[23:26] <Dylan> That's what I meant. What's the minimum to give Windows, then?
[23:27] <usr13> Dylan: Then 100G or less for Win7 and the rest for Ubuntu?
[23:27] <willwh> I'd even just do 75G for windows
[23:27] <willwh> depends what you are installing
[23:27] <Dylan> Sounds good to me.
[23:27] <Dylan> 75 GB it is.
[23:27] <Dylan> I only have 200 GB backed up.
[23:27] <willwh> nice k
[23:27] <willwh> alright I'm outta here
[23:27] <usr13> Dylan: What do you  mean, you have 200 GB backed up?
[23:28] <Dylan> The reason I reformatted with Windows was because there's an online webinar platform that doesn't support Ubuntu that I need to use for business.
[23:28] <willwh> you can hilight me if you're stuck and I'll msg you back later (this irssi client is connected 24/7) - irssinotifier ftw
[23:28] <Dylan> Great, thanks willwh.
[23:28] <Dylan> usr13: Before I formatted the computer, I backed everything up.
[23:28] <Dylan> usr13: It's 200GB worth of stuff.
[23:28] <willwh> the contents of his backups == 200g
[23:28] <UltimateNate> elbixo3: Please don't send a NOTICE to the channel
[23:28] <willwh> and I'm out o/
[23:28] <elbixo3> sorry
[23:29] <usr13> Dylan: How many drives do you have in this computer?
[23:29] <Dylan> 1
[23:29] <usr13> Dylan: How then can you leave less than 100G for Win7 when you just backed up 200G?
[23:29] <usr13> Dylan: Did you back it up, or move it off?
[23:30] <Dylan> I'm confused.
[23:30] <Dylan> I backed it up on an external drive.
[23:30] <mstrx> wow, last time I was here there was like 500 souls in here :) must be getting old
[23:30] <usr13> Dylan: Me too ;)
[23:30] <Dylan> My computers HD is 500GB.
[23:30] <usr13> Dylan: Oh.  So you moved it off, (to an external drive).  Ok.
[23:30] <Dylan> Exactly.
[23:30] <usr13> gotcha
[23:30] <Dylan> And I want ubuntu back on my computer so I can put all that stuff back and get on with my life.
[23:31] <usr13> Dylan: Well you should be good to go then.
[23:31] <Dylan> I'm loading up 12.04 from a boot DVD that I made,
[23:31] <Dylan> and I don't know how to handle the partitions.
[23:31] <Dylan> What do I click where to do what I said I wanted to do.
[23:31] <usr13> Dylan: Well, you can do the auto partition thing and it will just make hda5 a big partition and install Ubuntu on it.
[23:32] <Dylan> How do I do that?
[23:32] <elbixo3> can someone send me a notice?
[23:32] <usr13> Dylan: But I usually use a gparted bootable CD and just set aside a certain amount of free (unpartitioned) space for the linux install.  *(But that's just me...)
[23:33] <Dylan> usr13: You're talking slightly over my head here.
[23:33] <Dylan> usr13: My computer and Ubuntu knowledge it pretty patchwork.
[23:33] <elbixo3> Dylan, usr13 send me a notice plz
[23:33] <mstrx> "What do I click where to do what I said I wanted to do."  <-- :)
[23:33] <Dylan> elbixo3: I don't know how.
[23:33] <teward> elbixo3: try another channel for testing your IRC client please
[23:34] <Dylan> mstrx: Exactly.
[23:34] <usr13> Dylan: When you get to the part where it asks about where to install, you will need to take over and shrink the largest one, (the Win7 main partition), shrink it small enough so that you have 300G + free.
[23:34] <mstrx> Dylan, problems?
[23:34] <Dylan> mstrx: usr13 is helpin' me out.
[23:34] <mstrx> k
[23:35] <Dylan> usr13: So I just leave all the other partitions alone?
[23:35] <usr13> Dylan: Or you can boot into the "Try Ubuntu" option and bring up gparted, (the partition manager), and do it there and then you will also see an option to install.  That may be easist.
[23:35] <mstrx> :D
[23:35] <usr13> I gotta go
[23:35] <Dylan> usr13: And create ONE new partition for Ubuntu?
[23:35] <Dylan> Dammit.
[23:36] <zc_> Is it possible to make dash keep search keyword when switching lens?
[23:36] <Dylan> mstrx: Can I ask you for help, then?
[23:36] <mmhun> So I'm getting a weird issue with sshing. I'm on box 1 and I'm trying to ssh to a remote server (call it A) and I can't. I can however ssh to server B from box 1. I can also ssh to servers A & B from box 2. Both box 1 & box 2 are on the same network (as far as I can tell). I don't even know how to troubleshoot. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks!
[23:37] <mstrx> omg, this channel is the shit!
[23:37] <compdoc> glad you like it
[23:37] <Dylan> usr13 just left me. Anyone else able to help me out with partitioning?
[23:38] <ck1989> ooh what are we partitioning
[23:38] <mstrx> ladies
[23:38] <Dylan> The ladies will be partitioned AFTER the harddrive.
[23:38] <Beldar> Dylan, You have windows imaged/cloned if important?
[23:39] <Dylan> Beldar: I don't follow. What do you mean?
[23:39] <mstrx> vg
[23:39] <Beldar> Dylan, Image and clone are common terms. Can you replace what you have if it bricks?
[23:39] <VlanX> I have hard time finding a straight forward tutorial for disabling journaling on ext4... can anyone help me out?
[23:40] <Dylan> Beldar: I'm familiar with them but not enough to know exactly what you mean. Do you mean do I have things backed up? Yes.
[23:40] <Dylan> Beldar: I JUST reformatted my computer, so it's factory setting.
[23:41] <Beldar> Dylan, Cool, just a syntax thing. This must still be a uefi partition table and got right?
[23:41] <Beldar> uefi right*
[23:41] <Dylan> uefi?
[23:41] <Dylan> Okay, I'll explain my situation again to be clear:
[23:42] <Dylan> I had Ubuntu before, needed Windows, decided to reformat in order to dual boot both Windows 7 and Ubuntu;
[23:42] <Dylan> I've reformatted and got Win 7 working, now I want to dual boot Ubuntu and make sure I get the partitions cut up right.
[23:42] <Dylan> I want Ubuntu to be my main OS, with Windows having just enough partition to function (prob. 75 gigs).
[23:42] <Beldar> Dylan, That is all understandable. Does W7 show in ubuntu?
[23:43] <Jordan_U> VlanX: Why do you want to disable journaling?
[23:43] <Dylan> Now I've got a 12.04 Boot Disk ready that works, and I wanted to come in and ask and make sure I do the partitions right.
[23:43] <Dylan> Beldar: There is no Ubuntu, yet. I haven't installed it.
[23:43] <mstrx> favorite vim 256 color terminal colorscheme?
[23:43] <VlanX> Jordan_U: I have an SSD, and I plan on running many VM's on it
[23:43] <Beldar> Dylan, Open gparted in the live enviroment see what the HD looks like there.
[23:43] <mstrx> molokai
[23:44] <VlanX> Jordan_U: so I'm afraid the IO might cripple my poor SSD
[23:44] <Dylan> Can you open that in Windows? And I wrote down what the partitions look like before.
[23:44] <Dylan> Do you want me to type them out?
[23:44] <Beldar> Dylan, Are you in the booted ubuntu disc/usb?
[23:44] <mici> Dylan: doesnt the install give a choice of installing ubuntu alongside windows and then give a slider where you can adjust partition sizes?
[23:44] <Dylan> No. I'm in Windows right now.
[23:44] <Jordan_U> VlanX: SSD's do wear leveling, so the small writes from journaling are basically insignificant.
[23:45] <Dylan> mici: YES! Now I want to make sure I do it correctly so I don't screw anything up!
[23:45] <Beldar> Dylan, You need to be on the live cd/usb to confirm stuff.
[23:45] <Jordan_U> VlanX: Why do you think disabling journaling will improve performance?
[23:45] <Dylan> Beldar: I was on the live cd, wrote down what I saw about the partitions, then rebooted back into Windows.
[23:46] <mici> Dylan: it cant go wrong it is just a slider :) unless you want more than just ubuntu+windows
[23:46] <Dylan> mici: Sure it can, if I don't give Windows enough space.
[23:46] <Beldar> Dylan, good way to mess up to be honest. Especially when I suspect you are still uefi.
[23:46] <VlanX> Jordan_U: it's for the first thing you said
[23:46] <Dylan> I saw 4 partitions.
[23:47] <SuperLag> VlanX: I have 3 SSDs in my ThinkPad W530. No extra config for them. I have 110+ VMs. I'm using it exactly like what you're describing. Journaling enabled. No issues. We're talking *heavy* usage. Typically 4 VMs simultaneously. Had this SSD for VMs for ~2 years. Absolutely no issues.
[23:47] <kc9iid> Dylan, dual boot ubuntu and win is easy, if you have the option during install to install ubuntu alongside win7
[23:47] <Dylan> Two were Windows 7 (loader)'s, one a Windows Recovery Environment (loader), and one with no name.
[23:47] <Dylan> kc9iid: If it were easy I'd be done by now.
[23:48] <kc9iid> Dylan, have you tried to install ubuntu from the live cd yet?
[23:48] <SuperLag> VlanX: I mention all that to say... listen to Jordan_U. He's right. Also, I have practical experience doing what you're planning on. It works.
[23:48] <Dylan> kc9iid: You're going to be about the 7th person I've explained this to in the last 15 minutes.
[23:48] <VlanX> SuperLag: 110 VM's?? holy shit
[23:48] <VlanX> well if you say so I'll trust you
[23:49] <VlanX> thanks for sharing your experience
[23:49] <SuperLag> VlanX: it's a 960GB SSD.
[23:49] <Jordan_U> VlanX: http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/
[23:49] <SynrG> curse you, broadcom.
[23:49] <SuperLag> VlanX: Not all of them are full clones, many are linked. I'm using VMware Workstation 10.
[23:49] <Dylan> I'm sorry I'm getting impatient, but I feel like everyone is talking to me here long enough to make me think I'm going to get some help then someone else starts talking to me and I have to start over.
[23:49] <mici> dylan: windows makes two and i bet the other two are recovery partitions. when ubuntu install comes uo with the slider just slide it so that you are happy with windowa partion size. you dont need to manually shrink the windows partiyion because the installer does it for you
[23:50] <SynrG> i have a 12.04+mac image, boots fine from USB on this MacBook Air, connect to my wireless network, then start the installer, and bam, kernel oopses in the wl driver, connection is lost and the install hangs forever.\
[23:50] <VlanX> Jordan_U: Interesting piece of parer aswell. Thanks for the share!
[23:50] <mici> sorry for wonky txt im on phone
[23:50] <Dylan> mici: No problem.
[23:50] <kc9iid> Dylan, well ere it is. If you see a slider after choosing to install ubuntu alongside win7, the you can move it to adjust win7/ubuntu partition size, then installer will do everything else for you.
[23:50] <Dylan> kc9iid and mici: Okay, great thanks. I'm going to go try it out and see what happens.
[23:51] <Dylan> If I'm back in a minute you'll know it didn't work.
[23:51] <SynrG> if i boot the live image, quickly disable wireless ... blacklist wl, add brcmsmac to /etc/modules, and re-enable wireless ... the wl module seems to be loaded anyway :/
[23:51] <kc9iid> as long as you don't got past this screen, you can always quit/back up to stop install
[23:51] <Dylan> A'ight, I'm going in.
[23:51] <kc9iid> without changing anything
[23:52] <Jordan_U> VlanX: You're welcome.
[23:53] <SynrG> no, wait. when i re-enable wireless after blacklisting wl, brcmsmac is indeed loaded.
[23:54] <SynrG> somehow in my last attempt, in spite of the blacklist, wl *was* loaded and oopsed in the same place. not sure i understand where i misstepped
[23:55] <SynrG> ahhh, here it is again.
[23:55] <SynrG> does the installer *force* wl to be loaded, even though it is blacklisted in the live system?
[23:55] <SynrG> that's so braindead.
[23:56] <SynrG> that is in fact what it looks like from dmesg.
[23:56] <SynrG> ERROR @wl_notify_scan_status : eth0 Scan_results error (-22)
[23:56] <SynrG> BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ... etc.
[23:57] <yeats> SynrG: the installer knows nothing about the configuration on the live system
[23:58] <SynrG> yeats: yeah. is it running a separate kernel using uml or so?
[23:59] <SynrG> yeats: anyway. how do i convince the installer to not use wl, since it is blocking me from going any further?
[23:59] <SynrG> i have to hand the laptop back to its owner who is being picked up and driven home in 5 minutes too :/
[23:59] <yeats> SynrG: I usually just plug in via ethernet when I'm dealing with a broadcom card (during installation)