[00:01] <boldfilter1> IdleOne Ping
[00:01] <IdleOne> yes?
[00:01] <boldfilter1> Nothin
[00:02] <IdleOne> what did you ping me for then?
[00:02] <IdleOne> if it was just to be annoying, congratulations you succeeded
[01:42] <melt7777> anyone solved the "can't boot"  startpar bridge for notification of upstart job issue???
[03:56] <xubuntu383> hello, anybody here at this time?
[03:58] <krytarik> !anyone | xubuntu383
[03:59] <xubuntu383> I'm a total newbie to the whole xubuntu thing, so forgive my ignorance. That said, how do I change the time?
[03:59] <xubuntu383> !anyone
[04:00] <xubuntu383> !details
[04:00] <xubuntu383> !gq
[04:01] <krytarik> xubuntu383: "Settings Manager -> Time and Date"
[04:01] <xubuntu383> !poll
[04:05] <xubuntu383> thanks, krytarik!
[04:06] <xubuntu383> also, not to start a political argument, but why is it that under "time zones" there is no option for Jerusalem, just Hebron? Jerusalem, after all, is a more populous city/
[04:15] <krytarik> xubuntu383: Actually, it's in there too, it's just really hard to get with the mouse cursor, apparently. :)
[04:16] <krytarik> xubuntu383: With a little bit of training, it's totally doable though, it seems now. :P
[04:18] <xubuntu383> you're right. I'm not that big a fan of MS, but in this case their method for changing timezones is preferrable. Though the geography lesson is a nice touch :-)
[04:19] <krytarik> LOL - yes, it is. :)
[04:20] <xubuntu383> ok, next question. How do I integrate a linux macine into an active directory domain?
[04:21] <krytarik> !ad | xubuntu383
[04:22] <xubuntu383> ok, I'll look into it. Thanks again!
[04:22] <xubuntu383> !ad
[04:49] <hh> hello. How do I change the root password using the admin user at my disposal?
[04:52] <cfhowlett> !root\hh,
[04:52] <cfhowlett> !root|hh,
[04:53] <hh> gotcha
[04:53] <hh> authentication failure
[04:53] <hh> this is the part where I use an expeltive
[04:54] <hh> I know I have the right pwd, otherwise I couldnt've done all kinds of other things
[06:50] <xubuntu635> I have a question about the Nano text editor
[06:50] <xubuntu635> Anybody know about that?
[06:52] <xubuntu635> Someone is helping me and he wanted me to add something to a file in Nano. I did. But do I need to "save" what I do in Nano?
[06:53] <mapps> whats up
[06:53] <mapps> yea
[06:53] <mapps> ctrl + o
[06:54] <xubuntu635> So I need to save the changes for them to take effect is what you're saying, right?
[06:54] <mapps> yea bro
[06:54] <xubuntu635> Okay, mapps, I'll give it a shot. Thanks!
[06:55] <elfy> xubuntu635: just an addition here - when you use nano use +B and it will create a backup
[06:55] <elfy> so for instance sudo nano +B /etc/default/grub
[06:55] <xubuntu635> Can you clarify that a bit, elfy. (really new here)
[06:55] <elfy> always useful to have a backup - I did ^^
[06:55] <mapps> ah ive never done that thanks
[06:55] <mapps> nano +b file
[06:57] <xubuntu635> I was thinking I could just do the 'ctrl + o' thing. And by the way is that the letter "o" or  a zero?
[06:57] <mapps> letter o
[06:57] <xubuntu635> lower case?
[06:57] <mapps> can someone lend me a hand with scripts to start something on bootup say /etc/init.d/a -- ive looked ata few scripts and see case statements in them..how does it get called on bootup so it starts?
[06:59] <elfy> xubuntu635: at the bottom of the nano screen it tells you what you can use
[07:00] <xubuntu635> Okay, elfy. And the backup thing is just an extra protection, right? I don't HAVE TO do it, right?
[07:00] <mapps> yea
[07:00] <elfy> yep
[07:01] <xubuntu635> Okay, guys, I'll try it. Thx for the help.
[07:36] <bosnjak> hi all
[07:36] <bosnjak> how do i apply a gdm theme in xubuntu?
[08:05] <TheSheep> bosnjak: you don't, xubuntu doesn't use gdm
[13:32] <melt7777>  After following the instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization and re-doing it multiple times, I have quite a few images that will boot and work in vmware, on my hp laptop, but on my desktop machine it brings up plymouth and hangs, last output verbose text screen is about "startpar bridge for notification of upstart job" start and stop..... ctrl-alt-f# consoles show blank, how can i diagnose? Many questions about this on g
[13:32] <melt7777> oogle, no solutions....
[14:31] <counter> hi
[14:34] <counter> someone know how to deactivate or setup the printer icon at the panel (during printing) in xubuntu?
[15:22] <TheGrizzlyGiant> hi
[15:52] <holstein> counter: i usually just see it when instigating a print job.. what are you  trying to do?
[15:56] <xubuntu769> hi
[15:56] <GridCube> !hi
[16:03] <counter> @holstein I would deactivate it, I do not know why, but after printing over the network, the icon is stuck there, if I try on a vm with xubuntu it is not even showing up
[16:03] <counter> could not find an option to activate/deactivate this
[16:04] <holstein> counter: i right click on it, and close it, if its "stuck"
[16:04] <holstein> or, i just let it be there.. if im printing
[16:04] <counter> no, it is stuck there, no reaction anymore
[16:05] <holstein> counter: can you still print? have you found it in ps aux ?
[16:05] <counter> right click is not working
[16:05] <holstein> counter: you mean, the context menu isnt working? or actual right clicking is broken on your machine?
[16:05] <counter> which process? cups?
[16:06] <holstein> counter: you are asking about the print icon, correct? thats the process im talking about
[16:07] <holstein> the tray icon.. system tray feedback icon.. correct?
[16:07] <counter> print icon - yes, can still print - yes, context menu isnt working - yes
[16:07] <holstein> counter: so, youa re just wanting the icon to go away? or work?
[16:08] <counter> only on the printer icon right click is not working anymore, but only after print finish
[16:08] <holstein> counter: i know, i would probably just deal with it, if everything was still working properly.. but, you might try a different driver.. really could be anything in the process over the network causing some hang
[16:08] <holstein> counter: i would hook it up locally, if possible (via usb or whatever) and see if its working as expected.. i would try a live CD to remove my user/system config from the equation
[16:09] <counter> go away would help, if it is working again, would be better
[16:09] <counter> over usb with the same driver, it is going away ..
[16:10] <holstein> counter: thats something then.. could be something with the way the network is configured
[16:11] <holstein> personally, when items dont say " supports linux" on the box, i dont lose sleep over glitches when i can easily work around them
[16:15] <counter> hm...  the icon is only there when I'm printing over wlan
[16:16] <counter> I use wicd as network manager
[16:17] <counter> with wext driver
[16:23] <holstein> counter: ok. so, using a live CD can remove that from the equation
[16:26] <counter> remove wicd? it was installed because the standard network manager had some problems by switching access points
[16:27] <counter> I do not understand, why is this icon not at lan but it is at wlan?
[16:28] <holstein> counter: what im suggesting, friend, is.. using a live CD will allow you to test without your current configuration. thus, removing it from teh equation
[16:29] <holstein> counter: is wicd causing the issue? i have no idea.. my icon isnt hanging, and your's is not when you are not o the network.. so, you might want to consider testing wih the stock configuration.. easily available from a live CD
[16:30] <holstein> counter: i dont understand why its happening either, and, without the hardware in front of me, it will be challenging to say.. you can wait for another volunteer who may have better ideas about what to look for in a log file.. otherwise, my only suggestion is to remove things from the equation and test
[16:31] <holstein> counter: im not saying "remove wicd".. or "dont use wicd".. im saying, try the stock setup from a live cd, and then, if things are ok, or seemingly normal from the stock setup on a live CD, you can look into the ways you have changed the setup and drill into it and see what might be causing this issue
[16:35] <xubuntu121> Hello
[16:35] <xubuntu121> I have installed xubuntu on 8gb flash drive, and i-ve set partition table to 5500mb root, 315 swap and rest for /home, is that ok_
[16:36] <holstein> xubuntu121: i dont do swap on USB/sd cards
[16:36] <holstein> xubuntu121: "ok" will be a matter of use case, and your needs..
[16:36] <holstein> xubuntu121: what do i suggest? unless you are doing to do no swap, just let the installer do it
[16:36] <xubuntu121> Well last time i just went with first option and I had error that no disk space avi
[16:37] <xubuntu121> I just need to download & install 2 programs
[16:37] <xubuntu121> 1 is ATI driver and 2nd one is cgminer
[16:38] <counter> @ holstein I will try a live version now, I be back soon
[16:38] <holstein> xubuntu121: i dont do proprietary drivers on portable sticks either.. but, only you know your needs and intentions
[16:39] <xubuntu121> Ok, but everthing should run smooth?
[16:40] <holstein> xubuntu121: there is no "should".. i can tell you how i have done, and would do what you are trying to do
[16:40] <holstein> xubuntu121: i dont know what you mean by "first option".. but, there are many issues that can cause an error.. bad iso, bad usb stick destination.. user errors
[16:41] <xubuntu121> I let installer do it last time
[16:41] <holstein> xubuntu121: i read that.. and i understand you had an issue.. but, you are assuming what will fix that issue
[16:41] <holstein> xubuntu121: if its an issue with the iso, then, you are still using the same iso
[16:42] <xubuntu121> I doubt its an ISO issue
[16:42] <holstein> xubuntu121: i dont doubt anything.. i just test
[16:42] <holstein> !md5
[16:42] <holstein> then, i know for certain, and move forward not assuming
[16:42] <holstein> xubuntu121: lots of folks use that installer.. it works.. it is not normal to have to find a workaround for the installer
[16:43] <holstein> it is common to have bad download images.. or bad USB sticks.. they *all* fail
[16:43] <xubuntu121> Well going to restart now
[16:43] <xubuntu121> Thanks for help
[16:43] <holstein> and, im not saying that is your issue.. im just saying, you are assuming the automatic installer is the issue
[16:43] <xubuntu121> Well
[16:43] <xubuntu121> I got the ISO from official site
[16:43] <xubuntu121> and bought the USB stick today
[16:43] <holstein> xubuntu121: the download is the issue
[16:44] <xubuntu121> How can you know for sure?
[16:44] <holstein> xubuntu121: and, the most comone time for drivers to fail (which you are free to research) is when they are new
[16:44] <holstein> common*
[16:44] <xubuntu121> Oh
[16:44] <holstein> the most common time for usb sticks to fail is when they are new
[16:44] <xubuntu121> Well obviously
[16:44] <xubuntu121> Because they just got put in use
[16:44] <xubuntu121> But i get your point
[16:45] <cfhowlett> xubuntu121, verify your iso.  it's easy.
[16:45] <cfhowlett> !md5sum
[16:45] <xubuntu121> I cant verify atm since im at installer
[16:45] <xubuntu121> And you can user IRC while installing
[16:45] <xubuntu121> use*
[16:46] <holstein> xubuntu121: im not asking that you "get me".. just that you understand "i just bought em" doesnt mean that the sticks are good
[16:46] <xubuntu121> For fuck sake
[16:46] <xubuntu121> Stop being so euphoric
[16:47] <cfhowlett> !attitude|xubuntu121,
[16:47] <holstein> xubuntu121: please watch your language here. im just a volunteer tring to be thorough
[16:47] <holstein> xubuntu121: i mean no harm.. just trying to help you not waste time
[16:47] <xubuntu121> 1 more question
[16:47] <xubuntu121> Do you watch MLP?
[16:48] <cfhowlett> !ot
[16:48] <holstein> xubuntu121: you can use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat
[16:56] <counter> hi, I'm back  ...
[16:57] <counter> @holstein : at the live Version, the printer icon is not showing up
[16:57] <counter> I installed wicd and the icon is also not there
[16:58] <counter> I do not know what changed
[17:02] <counter> can I maybe remove some xubuntu/cups unimportant settings files?
[17:43] <counter> removing the xfce4 config files changed nothing
[18:25] <counter> and it is not only related to my profile, has someone else an idea?
[18:29] <knoips> hi guys, i am verynew on linux and saw these days some youtube videos about shell scripting. so far it looks very nice and powerfull. do someone know a command for doing a key-press up/down. i wanna build a simple macro with a key-press,relay,loop. is this possible with .sh?
[18:30] <knoips> thanks so far
[18:37] <knoips> no ideas?
[18:39] <baizon> i dont understand what you want. Please describe it in a example
[18:41] <krytarik> !info xdotool | knoips
[18:43] <knoips> thx for xdotool, i have already used xmacro
[18:44] <knoips> i was asking if there is a shell command that does a keypres
[18:45] <knoips> so i can write a macro like "for i in x-time do <keypress B> done
[18:45] <knoips> maybe with a relay between
[18:46] <knoips> but first i am looking for a shell command the simulate a keypress
[18:46] <knoips> get it | baizon?
[18:46] <baizon> knoips: yes
[18:47] <holstein> counter: well, at least you know generally where to look now
[18:51] <counter> @holstein sorry, what do you mean?
[18:51] <holstein> counter: just that.. you know the issue is something to do with your configuration, and not the core system
[18:53] <counter> but it is not related to my profile, there is not much left
[18:54] <holstein> counter: if it works as expected from the default system, and after your changes, it doesnt.. then, the issue might be with your changes
[18:55] <counter> I reset the cups config file, also not helping
[20:23] <counter> @holstein thanks for your help, anyway I do not wish to reinstall the system because of that
[20:26] <holstein> counter: ok.. i dont think you'll need to either.. but, you can look at what all you have done, and try another user account
[20:26] <holstein> counter: look for and apply upgrades.. etc
[20:29] <counter> I tested another account/profile .. the same, the other settings are almost standard, I have no idea ...
[20:33] <counter> all upgrades ale installed
[21:43] <xubuntu951> Very new to Linux. Can someone suggest a dist for a Laptop duel core 3.2 ghz please?
[21:45] <oojacoboo> hey guys, trying to get xubuntu up on a new system
[21:45] <xubuntu951> Me too
[21:45] <oojacoboo> I'm on a mac where I downloaded the iso and converted that to a dmg and loaded that up on a new disk
[21:45] <oojacoboo> booted from that disk which loaded the installer
[21:46] <oojacoboo> I'm guessing it's trying to install on itself, b/c I'm getting the issue, "unable to find medium containing live filesystem"
[21:46] <oojacoboo> is this true?
[21:46] <oojacoboo> are there no images available that don't require installation, or is that not the case for compiling reasons?
[21:47] <oojacoboo> if so, I guess I need to load up a usb drive and install it onto the disk on the target system?
[21:47] <oojacoboo> or possibly an install partition on the target disk?
[21:48] <xubuntu951> Do you copy the iso and the boot software to the flash drive for the install?
[21:49] <David-A> xubuntu951: "laptop dual core 3.2 ghz" is a very vague description. any distro may work with that cpu. but what about wifi and graphics chip. can you tell us what laptop make and model?
[21:50] <xubuntu951> Oh sorry. Its a Geforce Gt-240  Asus P50IJ
[21:50] <xubuntu951> Does that help?
[21:50] <xubuntu951> want to install it along win7
[21:50] <xubuntu951> with Windows 7
[21:56] <David-A> xubuntu951: I don't know about the model, but one way to find if the basics work is to run a live-cd/live-usb.
[21:57] <David-A> xubuntu951: if it works, one can install from the live-session, selecting dual boot (install (x)ubuntu alongside existing operating system)
[21:57] <xubuntu951> Is there one for Xbuntu?  Also can you install it from a thumb drive or is it best from a DVD?  Thanks you much
[21:58] <xubuntu951> sorry what is live sessions please.
[21:59] <David-A> xubuntu951: but modern laptops with windows already use 4 primary partitions on the hdd, so the install process would have to introduce extended/logical partitions. I dont know how well the automatic re-partition will work.
[22:00] <David-A> xubuntu951: live session is what is running when you run a live-cd or live-usb
[22:00] <xubuntu951> oh okay.
[22:01] <xubuntu951> Is one dist easier and lest risky to install?  Thanks
[22:01] <xubuntu951> then others.
[22:02] <xubuntu951> Dont want to render my pc useless.
[22:02] <David-A> xubuntu951: as you ask in xubuntu channel, I would say ubuntu, and most flavours of ubuntu like xubuntu, are among the easiest to install and use.
[22:04] <David-A> xubuntu951: I think the re-partition needed during install is a risk-factor. the usual disclaimer is to tell people to make a backup before doing anything with partitions.
[22:05] <xubuntu951> one more question if I may?   So you can install of live-sessions then?  Also between OpenSuse and Xunbuntu, which do you recommend.
[22:05] <xubuntu951> off live-sessions i meant.
[22:06] <David-A> xubuntu951: I dont know. I have no experience of suse.
[22:06] <xubuntu951> oh okay.  So then make a backup of what exactly then before install?
[22:07] <xubuntu951> the whole Windows 7 OS ?
[22:08] <xubuntu951> sorry not a real tecky
[22:08] <David-A> xubuntu951: I would make a backup of my important files (documents) or the whole My Documents. I would not expect a backup of windows itself to work if the hdd fails, so I would just forget about windows.
[22:09] <xubuntu951> Good point
[22:09] <xubuntu951> So there is a Xubuntu live version?
[22:09] <xubuntu951> Thanks
[22:11] <David-A> xubuntu951: back in the good old days you got an install-disk with a new windows computer. now, you are supposed to buy a new computer if windows restore points does not save you. its part of the business model, and also makes people hesitate before trying out linux in dual boot configs.
[22:13] <xubuntu951> yeah it sure does.  So xubuntu can run live then?
[22:14] <David-A> xubuntu951: many distros have live systems, and many of them can install from the live system. yes xubuntu too.
[22:14] <xubuntu951> okay thanks David you have been a big help!  Thanks again!
[22:18] <xubuntu951> Opps sorry ....so if I copy the xubuntu iso to a thumbdrive, then do I have to extract or expand the iso files on the thumbdrive?
[22:20] <xubuntu951> sorry about all the amateur questions.
[22:26] <krytarik> !usb | xubuntu951
[22:34] <xubuntu951> Probably best to install from a disk?
[22:34] <David-A> xubuntu951: by "disk" you mean cd or dvd, i suppose
[22:36] <David-A> xubuntu951: an .iso file contains a file system or a disk image. when burning a cd, select burning a disk image (as opposed to burn individual files or data files)
[22:38] <xubuntu951> yes dvd.
[22:39] <David-A> xubuntu951: if you want a live usb, just dont copy the .iso file to the stick. either prepare a bootable stick with unetbootin or similar, or copy the .iso to the raw usb device to make it look like a cd.
[22:40] <xubuntu951> And then after the burn the iso image then I also have to expand or unzip it ?
[22:42] <David-A> xubuntu951: no, just boot of the cd. (what do you mean? you cannot change the content of the cd after it is burned)
[22:44] <xubuntu951> Okay.  Then I dont need a type of loader or installer with the iso then?  It will boot off the iso and run live?  Thank you.
[22:47] <arrith> as it's really close to 14.04, any thoughts on whether it makes more sense to use 13.10 or 14.04 beta on a home laptop used for python development?
[22:52] <krytarik> !daily | arrith, just in case
[22:56] <arrith> krytarik: oh right, i think i actually considered that a few days ago instead of the beta.
[22:56] <arrith> is there any kind of general recommendation on whether or not dailies/betas are stable-ish for personal use, getting close to a release?
[22:59] <knome> arrith, betas are not for production machines
[22:59] <arrith> but for personal use?
[22:59] <arrith> or i suppose 'personal production', if that's a thing
[23:00] <knome> as always, take backups. no warranties included either (as usual) and things are more prone to break
[23:00] <knome> i guess if you are adventurous, go ahead...
[23:00] <knome> but if you can't afford the system to get broken, don't use the beta
[23:01] <arrith> hm, sounds good. thanks