[01:32] <master_> super wacky inflatable waving arm man!
[13:57] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfrZo1QWiqnRneNd_X0yKM14W436wkyqz1sMQsb1P2ayKJLsQ
[13:57] <dpm> For the SDK IDE session
[13:58] <dpm> feel free to use that hangout link to join the live session in the hangout
[14:00] <dholbach> go go go :)
[14:02] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1403-appdev-1403-ide
[14:03] <dpm> hey all
[14:03] <dpm> let us know if you can hear us and feel free to ping us if you've got feedback or questions
[14:03] <nik90> dpm: we can hear you
[14:03] <dpm> \o/
[14:04] <dpm> cool, thanks for confirming
[14:06] <nik90> vthompson: hey
[14:06] <vthompson> nik90: morning!
[14:06] <nik90> morning :)
[14:09] <nik90> dpm: QUESTION: Can we expect Qtcreator 3.0 and Qt 5.2 to be seamlessly updated in saucy and trusty? Or do we need a PPA for it?
[14:10] <dpm> nik90, will forward the question in a minute, once we've covered the cmake plugin explanation
[14:10] <dholbach> QUESTION: can we do anything to land newer versions of stuff like click/click-reviewers-tools in the release ppa more often?
[14:10] <nik90> dpm: np
[14:12] <bzoltan> nik90: I will answer after zbenjamin finished
[14:12] <nik90> ok
[14:14] <dbarth> bzoltan: QUESTION: we're considering adding cmake support in html5 projects, for things like build docs or run a test suite
[14:14] <dbarth> do you think the cmake plugin could support that project type for ex. ?
[14:14]  * dholbach hugs bzoltan
[14:16] <dbarth> bzoltan: this would be optional, but if a cmake file exists, we'd like to take it into account
[14:16] <dbarth> bzoltan: ok, cool
[14:34] <satoris> Will the SDK have native support for SDL2 game development?
[14:37] <pmcgowan> satoris, that will be considered part of the overall platform API, somewhat separated from the apps sdk I would say, but will be available
[14:37] <satoris> Ok, good. There are lots of SDL devs out there.
[14:38] <pmcgowan> in fact let me check on that
[14:47] <nik90> thnx for the session
[14:48] <vthompson> Does a VM running 14.04 with the SDK on a Mac qualify for the case of beer?
[14:49] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: ^^
[14:50] <bzoltan> vthompson:  it qualifys you for pint :)  My offer is a more native port
[14:51] <bzoltan> vthompson: The QtCreator and our plugins are portable, the challenge I believe is the emulator and clict tools
[14:52] <vthompson> bzoltan: perhaps the x86 emulator will be easier to port, as well. I know nothing about it however.
[14:52] <bzoltan> vthompson: once we have a functional QtC+plugins on OSX and a click chroot + ubuntu emulator we will have a sustainable and usefull offering for OSX folks
[14:53] <bzoltan> vthompson:  it is a whole new domain to discover
[15:04] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYf0Z4NrcRToxwFvAWCLOECxRE8R6D2U-93lb6Rhlob-kWWLyg?authuser=1&hl=en
[15:04] <nik90> mhall119: we can see you
[15:04] <t1mp> hello
[15:05] <nik90> hi
[15:07] <nik90> IDEA: Provide a way for notifications
[15:08] <nik90> mhall119: Clipping of items inside a Ubuntu Shape. At the moment it only clips images. But perhaps it should also clip other shapes like rectangles and so on?
[15:09] <mhall119> nik90: can you put it in the etherpad?
[15:09] <nik90> mhall119: sure
[15:13] <t1mp> nik90: here is the bug for it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1089595
[15:13] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1089595 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[shape] UbuntuShape should shape more general Item-based components" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Loïc Molinari (loic.molinari)
[15:14] <nik90> t1mp: ah yes I have seen that bug before.
[15:15] <iBelieve> mhall119: something that would be nice to have is a standard input dialog that has a textfield and ok/cancel buttons
[15:16] <t1mp> nik90: try to get a good use case to give it a higher importance, I see that is categorized as "wishlist" for now
[15:16] <nik90> t1mp: will try..I have already seen 3-4 apps using workarounds at the moment.
[15:19] <t1mp> nik90: cool. Just add it as a comment to the MR
[15:20] <mhall119> iBelieve: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/Ubuntu.Components.Popups.ComposerSheet/
[15:21] <iBelieve> mhall119: problem is the Sheet looks ugly. I've made my own style for it, but it's not in the SDK
[15:22] <t1mp> iBelieve: yes, it does look ugly. There is no good design for it yet
[15:23] <iBelieve> t1mp: I submitted it as a merge proposal to the SDK yesterday. Is there a chance that it will be accepted or are you waiting for better designs from the design team?
[15:23] <iBelieve> t1mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/themeImprovements/+merge/210508
[15:25] <nik90> mhall119: I added two points to the pad
[15:27] <mhall119> nik90: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/Ubuntu.Components.OptionSelector/#multiSelection-prop
[15:28] <nik90> mhall119: the issue with the current multi-selection option selector is that it is difficult to find out which items have been selected. I remember talking to the developer about this
[15:28] <iBelieve> mhall119, Here is the screenshot: t1mp: http://i.imgur.com/33rOPE3.png
[15:28] <iBelieve> t1mp: ^^^
[15:28] <nik90> mhall119: yes I just saw iBelieve comment on the sheets visual design
[15:29] <mhall119> iBelieve: please put the URL in the comments for your MP
[15:29] <iBelieve> mhall119: will do
[15:44] <vthompson> iBelieve, I like your sheet design! Is the sheet background fixed? Perhaps it could be exposed?
[15:45] <iBelieve> vthompson: Do you mean being able to easily change the background color of the sheet from within the sheet?
[15:46] <vthompson> iBelieve, yep or even something more elaborate than a simple background color
[15:48] <iBelieve> vthompson: I only changed the style, not the Sheet component at all. It's already possible to change the background, but only by using Component.onCompleted to access internal objects to get the style instance and then set the background color
[15:52] <zyga-uds> hey
[15:52] <zyga-uds> in the hw certification team we implemented a "tree widget"
[15:53] <zyga-uds> we use it in our testing app
[15:53] <zyga-uds> it works quite well
[15:55] <beuno> o/
[15:57] <beuno> so, what'sthe HO link?
[15:59] <beuno> dholbach
[15:59] <mhall119> beuno: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcW7DSikEAJMCn6ixrGkbmF5Kmt02nnMWHgnoATvjuNEBnsOQ?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:02] <mhall119> if you have any questions, ask them here with "QUESTION"
[16:04] <t1mp> mhall119: /wc
[16:04] <t1mp> oops
[16:04] <t1mp> closing window :) not something pervert ;)
[16:04] <mhall119> t1mp: you can't leave
[16:05] <nessita> I keep getting "An error ocurred, please try again" when browsing http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22173/appdev-1403-software-store-roadmap/
[16:05] <nessita> any ideas?
[16:05] <mhall119> nessita: try http://youtu.be/qDiyuojPjSc directly
[16:05] <nessita> mhall119, same error, after clikcing on the play button
[16:06] <mhall119> nessita: hmm, it will play for me....
[16:06] <mhall119> must be YouTube acting up
[16:07] <dobey> yeah, it's youtube i think
[16:07] <nessita> what I get: http://ubuntuone.com/4Dkn0f0zyLS9TUTGGblrLq
[16:07] <kenvandine> nessita, same for me
[16:07] <mhall119> :(
[16:08] <dobey> i've found force-reloading without cache helps when i get that
[16:08] <dobey> you can also try in a private/incognito session in the browser
[16:08] <mhall119> kenvandine: nessita ^^ try that
[16:08] <kenvandine> i did... now summit isn't loading
[16:09] <kenvandine> oh well... eventually it'll work :)
[16:09] <mhall119> kenvandine: you need better internet there in the backwoods of NC
[16:09] <kenvandine> incognito worked
[16:10] <kenvandine> :)
[16:10] <kenvandine> i have a 50/20 connection!
[16:10] <kenvandine> i didn't say please though...
[16:10] <kenvandine> i keep forgetting that
[16:10] <dholbach> notes taken here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1403-appdev-1403-software-store-roadmap
[16:10]  * nessita tries
[16:10] <dobey> kenvandine: cable?
[16:10] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:10] <nessita> mhall119, same error
[16:11] <kenvandine> i blame chrome
[16:11] <nessita> I tried a private FF window
[16:11] <dobey> kenvandine: oh, could just be comcst/tw/cox/whateveritisthere squeezing bandwidth to youtube (yay net neutrality!)
[16:11] <nessita> and amy regular session FF
[16:11] <kenvandine> yay
[16:14] <iBelieve> QUESTION: when can I start selling apps, and will I be able to convert an existing free app to paid (since I've got existing apps that I couldn't make paid)?
[16:20] <kenvandine> :)
[16:20] <dobey> mhall119: we also have to deal with how to uninstall those and such
[16:20] <kenvandine> the click hook will do that
[16:20] <kenvandine> i think it'll just be symlinks
[16:20] <dobey> kenvandine: i mean how in the UI does the user uninstall the package
[16:21] <kenvandine> ah, true
[16:21] <kenvandine> the apps scope won't show that
[16:21] <kenvandine> mhall119, ^^
[16:21] <mhall119> right
[16:21] <dobey> right
[16:21] <mhall119> hadn't thought of that
[16:21] <dobey> i also don't know if the updater will show updates for non-apps as it currently stands
[16:22] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Goals
[16:22] <iBelieve> QUESTION: Will it be possible to install apps remotely to your device from the website app store, like Google Play? Or has this been considered? I really liked that feature about Google Play
[16:22] <mhall119> dobey: probably not, but that's all going into system-settings isn't it?
[16:22] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1403-appdev-1403-software-store-roadmap
[16:22] <dobey> mhall119: yes, but it's the same code
[16:23] <dobey> maybe we can just also have a "Remove" button in there, and things can be uninstalled from there
[16:23] <mhall119> would make sense I suppose
[16:25] <dobey> yeah, purchase shouldn't be a problem
[16:25] <dobey> maybe some special magic if you want to purcahse from the web and pay for the app on your phone bill
[16:27] <dholbach> does anyone want to join the hangout?
[16:27] <dholbach> any more questions?
[16:28] <dobey> i have to leave in 10-15 min to go to an appointment
[16:29] <mhall119> #ubuntu-app-devel channel
[16:30]  * dholbach hugs you all
[16:30] <dholbach> keep up the good work everyone!
[16:30] <dobey> thanks
[18:01] <nik90> dpm: ?
[18:01] <dpm> on it
[18:02] <dpm> setting the hangout now :)
[18:02] <nik90> ok :)
[18:03] <dpm> for anyone wanting to join the live hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYf4ZVlAu3k8tYKEEoNyV_BCTsEKn8XaJ-qP5-D0m2jgWEMPFA
[18:03] <pikapika131> there should be a way to use android apps on ubuntu
[18:04] <pikapika131> considering ubuntu touch is realy just CM it shouldnt be that hard.
[18:08] <nik90> vthompson: you should join the hangout if you can
[18:08] <nik90> same goes to snwh ^^
[18:09] <nik90> michelR: want to join the hangout?
[18:10] <michelR> nik90: not possible, still busy at my work, just IRC, sorry
[18:11] <nik90> michelR: np :)
[18:11] <snwh> nik90, i'm a bit too preoccupied at the moment to join the hangout
[18:11] <nik90> snwh: ok
[18:11] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1403-community-design-team-showcase-and-plans
[18:12] <vthompson> nik90: I might in a bit. I'm a bit busy at the moment
[18:12] <nik90> vthompson: ok
[18:13] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1403-community-design-team-showcase-and-plans
[18:38] <fdelayen> Hi everyone, there is a little thing i'm finding a bit weird. The Gallery app has a light background, same thing for the settings app. You are presenting apps with dark backgrounds, don't you think it can be quite disturbing for users ?
[18:39] <fdelayen> (Those designs are really impressive though)
[18:47] <nhaines> David's screen is frozen for me.
[18:48] <nhaines> I have the screen back and live now.
[18:52] <nik90> nhaines: fixed it
[18:56] <fdelayen> Ok, thank you for your answer !
[18:57] <nhaines> Thank you for the presentation!  :)