[13:59] <seb128> hey
[13:59] <seb128> mhall119, do you host that one or do you need me to do it?
[14:01] <mhall119> seb128: which one?
[14:01] <seb128> "Using the Devportal API website for hosting Unity API docs"
[14:01] <seb128> seems you are on it
[14:01] <seb128> good
[14:01] <mhall119> yup
[14:01] <mhall119> want to join?
[14:01] <seb128> (I'm asking because it's in client 1)
[14:02] <seb128> I'm going to follow the stream
[14:02] <seb128> thanks
[14:23] <mhall119> seb128: thostr is asking me if I can move the smart scopes session
[14:24] <mhall119> because it conflicts with a scopes session in appdev-2
[14:24] <seb128> mhall119, client-2 is didrocks', check with him
[15:02] <cjwatson> do we have a hangout url?
[15:02] <seb128> cjwatson, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfbMgisdYZtcTSgeJImyw1TtOVbj_fwoCZ30BfDz5rOd2ItGw?authuser=0
[15:02] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:02] <seb128> (sorry I was watch the core-1 session and it overrun
[15:02] <lool> seb128: same here  :-)
[15:03] <bfiller> hangout link for anyone who wants on: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYe22T7EUVt357g3zk4OxS9o_I09puJxm7cqmFGU5w1K8WAO_w?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:04] <lool> uhoh
[15:04] <lool> bfiller: seb128 just posted a different one
[15:04] <lool> 16:02 < seb128> cjwatson,  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfbMgisdYZtcTSgeJImyw1TtOVbj_fwoCZ30BfDz5rOd2ItGw?authuser=0
[15:04] <seb128> bfiller, sorry, I'm still used to "track lead hosting", I had one started
[15:05] <bfiller> seb128: shoudl we use yours?
[15:05] <seb128> bfiller, do you have people in yours? if not, join mine
[15:05] <seb128> cjwatson and pmcgowan are there
[15:05] <bfiller> seb128: we'll join yours
[15:05] <seb128> thanks
[15:06] <ara> seb128, youtube link?
[15:07] <balloons> do we have what's needed to start this hangout?
[15:08] <balloons> bfiller, ^^? popey?
[15:09] <pmcgowan> technical difficulties
[15:09] <lool> not getting the yt stream
[15:09] <bfiller> balloons: stand by
[15:09] <balloons> kk, :-) Just wanted to make sure you were set
[15:10] <seb128> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfbMgisdYZtcTSgeJImyw1TtOVbj_fwoCZ30BfDz5rOd2ItGw?authuser=0
[15:11] <karni> "Supporting touch apps on U desktop" session not started yet?
[15:11] <seb128> ok, good this time
[15:11] <seb128> karni, we had issue, starting in a sec
[15:11] <karni> ack, thanks
[15:11] <karni> looking forward! :)
[15:11] <seb128> http://youtu.be/dfFqYPxNanA
[15:12] <pmcgowan> can folks see us now
[15:12] <vthompson> Nope
[15:12] <vthompson> Sorry, Yep
[15:12] <mdeslaur> oh, people!
[15:12] <ara> yes!
[15:13] <cjwatson> bfiller: Could you paste the google doc here?
[15:14] <bfiller> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0As1Fg7XBGWTjdG5ra1QtQURxM0VCVlU1dEdvN2l6SkE#gid=1
[15:14] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:19] <sergiusens> disabling is removing the icon?
[15:19] <sergiusens> it wouldn't work anyways
[15:21] <tedg> It can be set with an upstart job.
[15:21] <tedg> But we really want to ask Unity for it.
[15:21] <ara> bfiller, can we have an action item for that? default for DESKTOP_MODE
[15:22] <tedg> Because it could be per screen.
[15:22] <tedg> bfiller, You can put something in /usr/share/upstart/sessions
[15:23] <tedg> I've been told saviq is going to have magic desktop detection someday :-)
[15:23] <ara> pmcgowan, your input volume is a bit low
[15:24] <tedg> I think that for 14.10 we should have a session on that. We don't need to focus on that today, but it's a huge issue that we should discuss.
[15:24] <tedg> (that == figuring out if this machine is a desktop)
[15:28] <tedg> bfiller, Just to make sure it's on your list, people always ask me about URLs. How should we handle that?
[15:30] <tedg> Okay, that works for me.
[15:30] <tedg> Do we think that's for 14.04? Do we want the apps working for 14.04?
[15:31] <bfiller> tedg: would be nice if we could for 14.04 but don't know if possible
[15:31] <bfiller> you guys tell me :)
[15:31] <tedg> I think that we're not setting grid units automatically, talking with bregma about that yesterday.
[15:31] <tedg> There's an issue with needing manual configuration because apparently the KMS data is not reliable.
[15:31] <cjwatson> I'll drop out, since it doesn't sound like anyone's threatening to make me do click support on the desktop for 14.04 so I don't have to explain why we shouldn't :-)
[15:32] <tedg> Monitors lie apparently fairly regularly.
[15:32] <tedg> bfiller, It's a Qt plugin thing, right?. Not sure who handles that.
[15:32] <bfiller> tedg: ricmm maybe
[15:33] <pmcgowan> cjwatson, nope ;)
[15:34] <tedg> bfiller, He doesn't test all of his stuff on the desktop :-)
[15:35] <tedg> bfiller, HUD should "just work"
[15:35] <tedg> And it does, web browser shows up in the HUD for me.
[15:36] <tedg> bfiller, Good reason to switch to VI ;-)
[15:36] <pmcgowan> oh man too late for that
[15:40]  * tedg is good
[15:40] <vthompson> The weather app is very nice in desktop mode. Perhaps that could be added to the list?
[15:40] <ara> bfiller, who is taking the decision on whether to put DESKTOP_MODE=1 on 14.04 Desktop?
[15:40] <bfiller> ara: I will
[15:41] <ara> OK, let us know when you know, thanks
[15:41] <bfiller> ara: I think we will set it by default, just need to figure out the best mechansim for making that happen
[15:45] <ara> I think the PPA is a better solution, and leave SRUs just for critical/high issues
[15:46] <jdstrand> we can't support click on the 14.04 desktop
[15:46] <pmcgowan> ara, ok good
[15:46] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, ack
[15:48] <cjwatson> jdstrand: oh, I should have stayed on to refute that idea after all? :)
[15:48] <ara> I think keeping the current version in the archive make sense
[15:49] <ara> bfiller, +1
[15:49] <ara> I like that
[15:49] <tedg> cjwatson, Meetings are like staring contests, first person to leave gets all the work items.
[15:49] <jdstrand> cjwatson: no-- they said you said we wouldn't, but I typed that as they were saying it :)
[15:49] <cjwatson> heh, ok
[15:50] <cjwatson> I still have a work item for that, I should probably can it
[15:50]  * jdstrand had an itchy trigger finger
[15:50] <cjwatson> or explicitly defer
[15:51] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I think so-- I looked into the nested X session (still haven't written it up) and it just isn't feasible at this point
[15:51] <cjwatson> there was a work item to have aa-exec-click refuse on non-Mir, and then maybe some kinds of click package (webapps?) could work
[15:51] <cjwatson> but it seems to be cutting it a bit fine now anyway, and I could productively be working on image building improvements instead