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belkinsaHello, how to sign up for joining the Hangout?14:18
aruna_belkinsa: hi, which one ? Growing a new generation of Ubuntu leaders ?14:37
belkinsaFor the first one and the leader one.14:38
aruna_same process yu used to join the Growing a new generation of Ubuntu leaders I belive14:38
belkinsaWhich I don't know how to do.14:39
aruna_oh-kay please go here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22194/community-1403-growing-a-new-generation-of-ubuntu-leaders/14:39
aruna_at the top left click attend this meeting14:39
aruna_it may ask you to log-in with your launchpad14:40
belkinsaI have it marked for attending but no option for joing gthe hangout14:40
aruna_aah good point, hang on will check ( damn I entirely missed that )14:41
aruna_we could do this, once the session starts we can ask where and how to join the hangout ?14:42
belkinsajono, are you one who is running the Hangout?14:42
belkinsaSure that works.14:42
aruna_:) thanks for pointing that out14:43
belkinsaSigh, stupid campus internet14:43
aruna_bandwidth probs ?14:44
belkinsaNo, keeping connection.14:46
belkinsaI think upgrading from one version to another is a bad idea.14:46
belkinsaLooks like it's stable.14:46
belkinsaLooks like there will be a link to join the Hangout on Air when the session starts....aruna_14:47
belkinsaaruna_, ^14:47
aruna_I sure hope so...14:48
belkinsaI'm looking ath= other sessions that are happening now14:48
belkinsaAnd it looks like that is true.14:48
aruna_great... lemme double check that14:49
belkinsaThis is my first Hangout that u will be in14:49
aruna_we have met before remember..14:50
belkinsaWe have, via Bob and Genni.14:50
belkinsaBut not through Hangouts14:50
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aruna_yep.. and hey hangouts is not hard, relax and be yourself..14:51
belkinsaThanks14:52
aruna_why what is your concern ? not comfortable with hang outs ?14:52
belkinsaI don't have any.14:53
aruna_:)14:53
belkinsaI have done a Skype interview once.14:54
aruna_I would check your cam and audio works though and a skype interview I found was a very stressful experience for me but I lived through that.14:55
belkinsaI checked.14:55
aruna_oh-kay great :)14:55
belkinsaOr not14:56
belkinsaBesides, I'm in  a public place.14:57
belkinsaBad idea doing something like Hangouts in a place that has people and loud lab sounds.14:58
jonohey all15:00
jonohangout is https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeEEYGTMtI3AWGjswSfp8VrKwaKxB959zhrLe7UbZBaKMDKWQ?authuser=1&hl=en15:00
belkinsaHey.15:00
cjohnston_yup15:01
yailiyes15:02
cjohnston_jono: ^15:02
jonohttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeEEYGTMtI3AWGjswSfp8VrKwaKxB959zhrLe7UbZBaKMDKWQ?authuser=1&hl=en15:02
belkinsaYes15:02
belkinsaVideo good and audio is good.15:02
rickspencer3o/ all15:04
rickspencer3anyone here?15:04
jonohttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeEEYGTMtI3AWGjswSfp8VrKwaKxB959zhrLe7UbZBaKMDKWQ?authuser=1&hl=en15:04
gQuigswhat was the straw man argument?15:07
rrnwexecjoining but IRC only.15:08
cjohnston_sounds like the lightning talks15:11
jonohttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeEEYGTMtI3AWGjswSfp8VrKwaKxB959zhrLe7UbZBaKMDKWQ?authuser=1&hl=en15:11
jonohangout ^15:11
asomethingthe one resource we are constrained on is people. the people who would likely lead an educational track would also probably want to take part in the developer track15:12
aruna_belkinsa: where ARE you ? saw you for a minute then you disappeared ?15:15
belkinsaMic not working trying to fix it15:15
CheeseBurgjono: I like that splitting15:15
IdleOneWe see and hear you jono15:16
IdleOneWhy is the Captain upset?15:17
IdleOneI do15:17
dante123I'm an elementary school teacher and linux enthusiast.  I'd love to have contact for with developers about programs/projects directly related to topics we teach everyday.  Google Hangouts might be a great way to meet/talk with developers about the needs of the educational sector.  Conferences seem intimidating to me as I'm not really a developer....just a teacher with what I think are good ideas.  I see what needs to be done but15:20
dante123don't know how to do it myself.  Devs know how to do things, but don't always know what is needed at the classroom level.  Anything which gets these groups together is a good idea.....and online discussion and group meetings might be a more cost-effective way than physical conference.15:20
aruna_grab someone's mic ? oh dear15:20
aruna_so join and fix while you listen ?15:21
rrnwexecPerhaps more crisply defining the goal(s) of a redesigned summit would help. Are we trying to: (1) Spread Ubuntu, (2) Educate, (3) Develop software, (4) On-ramp more contributors....15:24
cjohnston_instead of 'Ubuntu Hour' call it the 'Ubuntu 72 Hour' ?15:24
rrnwexecAre we satisfied to be virtual for all of these goals? Do some goals neatly lend themselves to in-person events?15:26
belkinsaI like the panel idea.15:26
jonohangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeEEYGTMtI3AWGjswSfp8VrKwaKxB959zhrLe7UbZBaKMDKWQ?authuser=1&hl=en15:27
belkinsaMaybe once every six months?15:27
belkinsaBut maybe some sort of panel thing every three months minus the UDS.15:28
balloonsonce a month sounds interesting actually. one day only.. keep focus shorter term15:28
dante123You feel like you may not have anything to contribute (because you are at the idea/need stage) and that maybe you are wasting everyones time if you go to the dev conference because you are in over your head and others might not see that you have anything to contribute.15:28
rrnwexecI'm thinking the velocity of the development effort is exceeding the capacity of the community to keep up and participate, and also the bandwidth of people to prepare.15:28
cjohnston_missing so much of the face time and hallway conversations that happened at UDS, vUDS seems to delay things IMO.. 'lets wait to discuss this at UDS'.. why not just announce 'hey, we are going to talk about this on Tuesday, if your interested, be there'15:29
dscasselaruna_: I'm here. What's up?15:29
balloonsdoes it make sense to keep vUDS as a "week" long or 3 day event?15:30
belkinsaDoesn't, if there is only developers running most of the session but it would be nice if we had panels and hangout lessons and other non-developer things that could make it a week long.15:31
belkinsaOr break vUDS in two parts on different three days.  One is non-developers and one just for developers.;15:31
belkinsaI like that Redit idea and most voted will be brought up/15:32
josejono: sorry for being late, mind if I join? (have the link)15:32
jonojose, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeEEYGTMtI3AWGjswSfp8VrKwaKxB959zhrLe7UbZBaKMDKWQ?authuser=1&hl=en15:33
belkinsahttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeEEYGTMtI3AWGjswSfp8VrKwaKxB959zhrLe7UbZBaKMDKWQ?authuser=1&hl=en15:33
dante123Reddit is a good way of gaging interest in various topics etc.15:33
josethanks15:33
rrnwexecThe idea of tracks for different contributor types is appealing15:34
rrnwexec"Community" catches too many types15:34
asomethingI'll plug my idea for a public governance mailing list from last UDS again... ;-)  http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/an-ubuntu-community-mailing-list/124115:34
belkinsaYes, I agree with rrnwexec.15:34
aruna_dcassel: join the hangout15:35
aruna_dcassel: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeEEYGTMtI3AWGjswSfp8VrKwaKxB959zhrLe7UbZBaKMDKWQ?authuser=1&hl=en15:35
aruna_sorry darcy didnt see you till just now15:35
dante123is there an "education" developer group where teachers/students can talk with developers about projects/ideas/needs in our sector?15:36
dscasselI'm at work. Don't have a webcam or microphone (and can't really talk anyway)15:36
dholbachhttp://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1403-re-imagining-our-online-summit15:37
aruna_okay np15:37
dscasselThat's a good idea...15:38
jonohttp://etherpad.ubuntu.com/gdfpoOGFII15:39
asomethingjono, you're not using the pad that's linked by summit15:42
belkinsaasomething, you might be right.15:42
asomethinghttp://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1403-re-imagining-our-online-summit15:42
belkinsaNo.  It's the one on the front page of the track./15:43
rrnwexecwe need to begin building an Asian team ;)15:44
fdelayenHi everyone, i'm just watching, are the pad privates ?15:44
asomethingfdelayen, you need to join a team on launchpad to cut down on spam: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad/+join15:45
asacagree on having an asia summit/track would be nice15:45
fdelayenthx asomething15:46
balloonsfdelayen, what's your lp name?15:47
fdelayenit's tnedel15:48
balloonsfdelayen, you are approved15:49
asaccan we try to set a goal on how long ahead we will set/announce the dates for our summits? like 3 or even 6 month ahead?15:49
belkinsaThere, said something in the pad.  ;)15:49
belkinsaYou can add that to the pad, asac.15:49
asacwhere to best add so it will be remembered?15:49
asacah thanks15:50
fdelayen@balloons thank you15:50
dante123is there an education sector developer group?  would like to talk with some devs that work with teachers/students/schools etc.15:53
belkinsajose, nice background.  ;)15:53
josebelkinsa: thanks :)15:54
belkinsaIs it a banner?15:54
asomethingdante123, there is an ubuntu-education mailing list, but I don't know how active it is these days https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-education15:54
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dholbachjono, JFYI we're out of time - asac asked about the scheduling of the next event... can we pick a date already?15:57
rrnwexeci think this topic requires more specification and clarity before we change too much.15:57
dholbachjono, I need to rush for the next session - see you later15:57
rrnwexecit's socially easier to ask for time off than it is to ask for time away15:57
rrnwexec(from a work perspective)15:57
YoBoYhi15:58
belkinsathanks for the track16:00
belkinsaaruna_, I brought me a mic just for this kind of things.  ;)16:00
jonosetting up thehangout16:01
jonoone sec16:01
dante123thanks asomething, i was hoping more for a google+ group or something16:02
* philipballew walks in the room and sits down.16:03
belkinsaAnd I have the pad ready-ish16:03
jonohttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfX622_WszLlSSAn6Q6Wla8NEaagbjsz5G0Z7NXmT2NC_i7zw?authuser=1&hl=en16:03
jonohangout for leaders session ^16:03
nhainesThanks, jono.  I'm getting a 502 error on the summit page.16:04
nhainesScratch that, there it gose.16:04
nhainesgoes.16:04
belkinsaI see and hear you, jono.16:04
nhainesAnd there's even sound now.  :)16:04
nhainesjose, I'm jealous of that wall!16:05
belkinsaHow did make it?16:05
josebelkinsa: with the help of some paint and vinyl stickers16:05
jonohttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfX622_WszLlSSAn6Q6Wla8NEaagbjsz5G0Z7NXmT2NC_i7zw?authuser=1&hl=en16:05
philipballewI see it on summit jose16:05
belkinsaI figured.16:05
jonohttp://youtu.be/C0OCraMYvaw16:05
belkinsaBut had to check16:06
rrnwexeci'm seeing t16:06
rrnwexec*it16:06
asomethingit took a few reloads for me16:06
philipballewlooks fine still16:06
YoBoYit's working perfectly for me16:06
belkinsaIt's sable...16:06
dakero/16:06
belkinsaThis lag of video and audio...16:06
dakerit working...16:06
dakerit's*16:06
jonohttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfX622_WszLlSSAn6Q6Wla8NEaagbjsz5G0Z7NXmT2NC_i7zw?authuser=1&hl=en16:07
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belkinsajono, agreed there with people don't how to get going with Ubuntu.16:09
belkinsaAgreed.16:12
rrnwexecsorry, I'm IRC only for this session16:13
belkinsaSee what I'm saying on the pad16:14
YoBoYin my team, we have problem to find people who want to take things in charge, people wants the title but don't want the work with it16:15
rrnwexeca key distinction is "Leader" (who has vision, can inspire), and "Manager" (who can track progress, unblock obstacles, etc)16:15
rrnwexecwhich do we need more of?16:15
belkinsaGood point rrnwexec.16:15
rrnwexecLeaders can be identified by their vision16:15
rrnwexecif you hear a person express her/his vision, and you say "Wow!", you've likely met a leader, or at least someone with that potential.16:16
YoBoYI have lot of people expressing their vision, but none who want to work on it…16:19
belkinsajono, I agree that we need managers to get things done  but we need leaders to get new ideas in also and motivation.16:21
rrnwexecperhaps a toolkit to empower managers would be useful. start with a simple event/task and create a punch-list to get that done.16:21
belkinsa+116:21
belkinsaAnd maybe a wiki page?16:21
rrnwexecon a tactical level, we should each identify our "backups". for those of us in a leader/manager position, a succession plan needs to be in place.16:25
rrnwexecthat way at least we're not losing people who keep the momentum ging.16:26
YoBoYthe leadership was never really alive :)16:26
rrnwexec*going16:26
belkinsaMaybe a leadership mentoring system could work if it's managed.16:26
belkinsaOr have that manager being you, jono and other active great leaders.16:26
snwhI love the slight irony of what jono is saying while he's got a "Mr. Lazy" shirt on16:27
jonosnwh, :-)16:28
cprofitthello all... sorry I am late16:28
snwhbut there's a lot of people who aren't in places like San Francisco16:28
cprofitthaving issues getting in on video16:28
belkinsaAnd may LoCo seem to be scattered.16:28
YoBoYOrginising loco event is easy, but nobody wants to do it. In Paris I always have to push someone to do it, to try, it's lot of onshots…16:29
YoBoYoneshots16:29
belkinsaTime is always the major issue.16:29
rrnwexecA good example of Jono's video idea is the one he did for Global Jams.16:30
rrnwexecthat was excellent, and re-used many times16:30
rrnwexecVolunteers welcome for the UAK ;)16:31
rrnwexecanother example is the work that has been done by Jono's team on runnng an Ubuntu SDK event at your LoCo16:33
belkinsaI will take some action items if needed.16:33
rrnwexecthere's an idea i've "borrowed" from other local community (face-to-face) volunteer groups: it starts with a promise of time. "I pledge to donate 10 hours of my time to do such and such."16:34
rrnwexecwithout that, there's not going to be follow-through16:34
rrnwexecgood Project Management starts with a budget.16:35
mhall119I've seen it multiple times where people feel they can't do something without someone's permission16:35
rrnwexecwith governance in place, especially formal governance, people will always fear a "lack of permission".16:37
* belkinsa is taking too much notes on the Pad16:37
rrnwexecor as Jorge would say: JFDI!16:37
YoBoYlot of people are affraid to take decisions, they always search an approval from their "loco/team leader"16:39
rrnwexeci like the "3 days off" idea :)16:43
belkinsaI dig the videos from that list from the Community for how to lead and such.16:43
nxvljono: specially explaining what's the goal of each of those16:43
rrnwexeci think the first video or two should be the ones that are widely applicable, to any team16:44
nxvlOr share experiences from LoCo's, the problems they faced and how they solved it16:44
cprofittrrnwexec: I agree16:46
aquariusextra thought: if there are a bunch of these little videos -- lots done by Jono, some done by others -- then the whole collection together has value as well. It's like "a video guide to Ubuntu community participation and community leadership". Like taking a bunch of your newspaper columns and publishing them as a book16:47
nxvljose: someone checking the IRC?16:48
mhall119nxvl: we are16:48
YoBoYvideos, why not, but please do them with subtitles (in english, and with the help of the translation teams)16:48
cprofittI have been looking at it16:48
rrnwexecbefore telling people how to get involved, a quick "assessment" of their capacity may be useful16:48
rrnwexechow many hours can they offer?16:48
belkinsaYes!16:48
nxvlMore than doing a "This is what you should do, and how to do it, it should explain a lot WHY to do it"16:49
nxvlthe goals, what should be achieved16:49
rrnwexec+116:49
rrnwexec"so you've decided to get involved with Ubuntu. Great! Before getting started, take a few minutes to think about how much time you can spare to make your Ubuntu dream a reality..."16:50
fdelayenYoboY, +1 for subtitles !16:50
nxvlhaving a little "this is how we did it" videos would also help, so, anyone that makes an event, would make a "behind the scenes" kinda clip and share it16:53
nxvlthat would be really helpful as well16:53
nxvlas a second step, after the jono videos16:54
cprofittthanks everyone!16:54
nhainesThanks.  :)16:55
belkinsaThanks for this track, it was a neat one./16:55
YoBoYthank you for this session16:55
philipballewQuality session I would say.16:55
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philipballewGoing to use all of this information for a while.16:56
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mhall119jono: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcNCCLzTIwddfKBe5QJ8IblSD5CHfwVeGXHByCNGGiBZEWIWw?authuser=1&hl=en if you want to join17:54
mhall119ant_: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcNCCLzTIwddfKBe5QJ8IblSD5CHfwVeGXHByCNGGiBZEWIWw?authuser=1&hl=en17:57
ant_mhall119: I'm currently still traveling will be home very soon. Will join slightly late.17:58
mhall119ant_: ok17:58
ant_mhall119: Peter should be available soon17:58
mhall119daker: want to join?18:03
mhall119even just audio18:03
dakerno mic/webcam here :)18:03
dakersee bug 127595418:05
udsbotuUbuntu bug 1275954 in Ubuntu API Website "Porting the whole website to django" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127595418:05
dakerthe unicode bug :)18:06
dakerkyleN: see bug 127595418:09
udsbotuUbuntu bug 1275954 in Ubuntu API Website "Porting the whole website to django" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127595418:09
peterm-ubuntumhall119 I am watching18:14
dholbachthanks peterm-ubuntu18:15
dholbachasomething, would you say it's fair to say "CON (sphinx): navigation is a bit cumbersome" or it is just something I don't know enough about? ;-)18:15
peterm-ubuntuhello18:16
mhall119peterm-ubuntu: can you join the hangout?18:17
peterm-ubuntu1mhall119: link?18:17
mhall119https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcNCCLzTIwddfKBe5QJ8IblSD5CHfwVeGXHByCNGGiBZEWIWw?authuser=1&hl=en18:17
mhall119daker: can you post something about available Django CMS apps into the pad?18:18
dakermhall119: i did18:18
asomethingdholbach, navigation is "flexible" but that means you need to do it all yourself as opposed to a cms18:18
dholbachasomething, do you know if we could have something like directory tree structure and use that for the navigation?18:19
dholbachthat might be problematic with the translations right?18:20
balloonsthe stuff I want to push is in sphinx, so +1 from me for that, heh :-)18:21
balloonsI like managing it the same as a software project18:21
cwayneyeah ours is sphinx too18:21
asomethingdholbach, I'm sure "someone" could figure it out. =) I don't know  off hand18:21
dholbachasomething, I'd hope that mitya57 would be able to help ;-)18:21
dholbachbut it looks like necessary homework18:21
asomethingmitya57 is a sphinx wizard, don't know what we would have done with out him18:22
dholbachasomething, +118:22
dakerNO PHP :)18:23
mhall119+1 to "NO PHP"18:24
cwaynePHP is on canonical's list of 'stuff not to use' isnt it?18:24
antdillonmhall119, Could you send the hangout again please?18:27
dakerhttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcNCCLzTIwddfKBe5QJ8IblSD5CHfwVeGXHByCNGGiBZEWIWw?authuser=1&hl=en18:28
dholbachdoes anyone else want to join the hangout?18:43
dholbachany more questions? and more suggestions?18:43
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dholbachwow - a session about the choice of technology which was this relaxed? not bad ;-)18:58
kyleNvery nice :)18:58

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