[13:52] <gQuigs> hangout link?
[13:53] <ritz_> auto load form the page
[13:54] <ritz_> from
[13:55] <gQuigs> ritz_: we need a different link to join the hangout, unless I'm missing something
[13:55] <ritz_> gQuigs, my bad
[13:55]  * ritz_ check the invite 
[13:57] <gQuigs> nope..
[13:57] <rbasak> May I join the hangout please?
[13:57] <rbasak> Need an invite
[13:57] <ritz_> missing
[13:58] <gQuigs> rbasak: ditto... can the track lead start one please?
[13:58]  * rbasak has asked gaughen
[13:58] <rbasak> I'm not sure who the lead is.
[13:59] <rbasak> gaughen is starting it now
[13:59] <gQuigs> thanks rbasak!
[14:01] <rbasak> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdYoxuDm-DDnqii8SncLHhHIpdOCgL03hnYM2r9XucyUFuOVA?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:03] <gQuigs> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdYoxuDm-DDnqii8SncLHhHIpdOCgL03hnYM2r9XucyUFuOVA?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:04] <gQuigs> please join hangout > https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdYoxuDm-DDnqii8SncLHhHIpdOCgL03hnYM2r9XucyUFuOVA?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:04] <ritz_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1403-networking
[14:05] <gQuigs>  please join hangout > https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdYoxuDm-DDnqii8SncLHhHIpdOCgL03hnYM2r9XucyUFuOVA?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:05] <gaughen> we'll start in 2 minutes
[14:06] <ritz_> am I audible ?
[14:07] <beisner> o/
[14:08] <pmatulis3> says 'starting soon...'
[14:08] <ritz_> pmatulis3, hi
[14:08] <rbasak> Live now
[14:08] <pmatulis3> ritz_: hey
[14:08] <rbasak> Please refresh etc, and let us know if you see the stream?
[14:08] <pmatulis3> yes
[14:08] <rbasak> Thanks!
[14:09] <alexmoldovan> yes
[14:09] <ritz_> alexmoldovan, hi
[14:09] <ritz_> nice article , about juju
[14:09] <caribou_> gaughen: no echo on this side
[14:09] <alexmoldovan> hi ritz_
[14:10] <gaughen> caribou_, thanks. yeah, it was me and it was loud in my ear.. .which is probably pretty clear by the face I made.
[14:12] <ritz_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifenslave/+bug/1254120
[14:12] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1254120 in ifenslave (Ubuntu) "Bonded interfaces don't come down with a ifdown -a" [Undecided,New]
[14:12] <ritz_> the bug in question
[14:13] <ritz_> avoid nm this cycle
[14:13] <ritz_> a bit late
[14:20] <ritz_> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[14:20] <ritz_> implementing consistent name would be helpful
[14:21] <ritz_> we lack this
[14:22] <rbasak> ritz_: how does this fit in with the existing udev rule that locks interface names in?
[14:22] <rbasak> ritz_: there's also the biosdevname stuff
[14:23] <ritz_> locks the name in ? I tend to see eth  interface changes
[14:23] <ritz_> Will retest this bit
[14:23] <caribou_> naming is one thing : having 8 NICs that DO NOT restart on a deterministic scheme upon each reboot is an issue
[14:25] <caribou_> gaughen: I'm not even sure that we have one single coherent description of how /etc/network/interfaces should be formatted to behave correctly
[14:28] <rbasak> ritz_: if you see interface name changes, then probably best start with figuring out why the udev rules don't lock in - that could just be a bug or configuration issue
[14:28] <rbasak> (rather than a blueprint-level design issue)
[14:29] <ritz_> rbasak, yup, will recheck what I did wrong.
[14:32] <ritz_> still under works, networkd
[14:39] <ritz_> so the issue is with puppet trying to manage n/w ?
[14:39] <smoser> what rbasak is saying right now i like.
[14:39] <smoser> i have the same need elsewhere
[14:39] <rbasak> smoser: which bit?
[14:40] <smoser> some tool that figures out what changed in networking and makes it right.
[14:40] <smoser> we need that in cloud-init.
[14:40] <smoser> right now if networking information is intjected into the instance, then cloud-init will have to figure out what was added and what would have to be "fixed".
[14:40] <smoser> and at that point some network interfaces may already be up.
[14:41] <jamespage> rbasak, I think you can do a udevadm trigger todo that
[14:41] <jamespage> maybe
[14:41] <jamespage> (I've certainly seen that done with disks)
[14:43] <smoser> its also terribly annoying that:
[14:43] <smoser>  ifup some-interface
[14:43] <smoser>  change something
[14:43] <smoser>  ifdown that-interface
[14:43] <smoser>   (possibly change == remove that-interface)
[14:43] <smoser> ifdown says "i don tknow anything about that"
[14:53] <ritz_> networkd is for much more limited use cases
[14:53] <ritz_> migrating more towards NM
[14:54] <jamespage> \o/ love that one
[14:56] <pmatulis3> so how do i restart networking?  j/k
[14:56] <rbasak> Thanks all!
[15:02] <gQuigs> stgraber: can I add a Work item to document the current QA items