=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/03/12/%23ubuntu-uds-plenary.html === txtsd_ is now known as txtsd === Julien is now known as Guest27687 [18:33] Hello everyone =) [18:45] Hey jono, there is an event upcoming, correct? [18:49] JoshStrobl, yes [18:49] in 10 mins [18:49] jono: Thought so :) Mind if we get a topic change? [18:50] JoshStrobl, it will when we get there [18:50] ah === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Track: | Keynote | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22220/keynote-mark-shuttleworth/ [18:54] By the way jono, never was able to get around to saying that last week's Ubuntu App Developer week keynote was very informative. Thanks for helping kick off the sessions. [18:55] thanks JoshStrobl! [18:58] ok the new chat system is nice [18:59] spider623: eh? Are you in IRC via the web-based Kiwi IRC or an IRC client? [19:00] I see you, Jono [19:01] jono: we see you [19:01] I can see you jono [19:01] audio good...videio good [19:01] yes, go go go [19:01] uh oh, buffering... [19:01] jono: loud and clear [19:01] i do see a green shirt [19:01] jono: I see you [19:01] seeing you, jono :) [19:01] Now I see you. :) (It didn't autostart). [19:01] i see u from nottingham [19:01] good here [19:01] all good, mr. lazy [19:01] Video and sound are good [19:02] that beard [19:02] dat beard [19:03] such facial hair, much wow [19:03] get your questions in [19:03] QUESTION: when is mir expected to hit officially as the display manager? [19:03] QUESTION: What's up with the beard? [19:03] type in 'QUESTION' followed by your question [19:03] Please Mark, please explore Ubuntu Touch [19:04] arg ... video buffering! [19:04] mr lazy ! [19:04] poor people and their buffering :P [19:04] all good [19:04] rickspencer3, i have the same with all sessions today [19:04] 14.04 is so solid already. seriously going to be a great release. [19:04] ogra_, :-) === Mike is now known as Guest47452 [19:05] rickspencer3: drop the quality down to 360p [19:05] ogra_, you should upgrade from that 14.4k modem === Guest47452 is now known as Micael [19:05] sergiusens: haha [19:05] sergiusens, well, i'm watching the stream on an android phone now [19:05] there is quality lower than 720p? [19:05] orga_ Oh man, I know how that feels. [19:05] QUESTION: We've recently seen a nice new lockscreen added into 14.04. Will they long needed quality finishes find a way into Unity 8 from the start? [19:06] spider623, you can choose 240 [19:06] set it to 240p if you need to :-) [19:06] QUESTION: is there still any interest in exploring the "rolling release" idea? [19:06] JoshStrobl, well, at least it works ... doesnt in my desktop browser === hi is now known as Guest9788 [19:06] Damnit! Stream doesn't work! [19:06] What about the icon-theme? Suru will be the new icon theme? === purva is now known as proprius [19:06] yeah, i think youtube isn't dealing well with everyone trying to stream a live hangout at 720p [19:07] ..running circle [19:07] Springbank: prefix your questions with "QUESTION" [19:07] Wait for me, Mark! [19:07] dobey: those beautiful 720p slides. :) [19:07] Question: When this planned out Ubuntu Phone in Europe? [19:07] kami Thanx [19:07] nhaines: yeah, all that purple and text makes such a huge difference being in 720p [19:07] QUESTION: what does Canonical to hit the mass market? [19:07] but that's why i go for 4K [19:07] QUESTION: Will there be any commitments to an improved Ubuntu One client across Ubuntu, Ubuntu Touch, Android etc. in a future cycle, possible 14.10 or 15.04? [19:08] if you have questions for Mark, type them in with 'QUESTION' followed by your question and I will add it to the list :-) [19:08] dobey: wow much fonts. such kerning. :) [19:08] nhaines: hi! :) [19:08] Question: What about the icon-theme? Suru will be the new icon-theme? [19:08] karni: hiya! :) [19:08] Springbank: Yes. Landing in UT first, potentially desktop later from what I hear. [19:08] QUESTION: How do I get that stream working? [19:08] QUESTION: what about the 22" sony tablets? are they going to display as a normal pc? [19:09] MSkilledMyPuppy: YouTube has been giving people problems all day, you can try a different browser or incognito window, but otherwise there's not much we can do [19:09] MSkilledMyPuppy: if you can't get it working now, you can try coming back and watching the recording at a later time [19:09] spider623: remember, no tech support questions. :) [19:09] sorry! [19:09] "co-opt" is the perfect word, I've been looking for a good way to describe that kind of convergence [19:09] 22" *tablet*? [19:10] nhaines: I don't think that was a support question. I think he was curious how that large of a form factor "tablet" will react to Ubuntu (whether it'll show the tablet view or desktop). [19:10] mhall119: Moses-approved [19:10] it's no tech support, just a question since 22" is a little big for the tablet ui of touch [19:10] slangasek: lol [19:10] ha [19:10] slangasek, lol [19:10] Question: UT will be released on Nexus 7 (2013)? [19:10] gonnga watch video instead :-( [19:11] Springbank, it is already there [19:11] Springbank: already is [19:11] spider623: I'm sorry, I tab-completed your name by mistake. I think your question was great. :) [19:11] mhall119: panasonic has a 20" 4K tablet [19:11] spider623: I think the plan is "the UI will adapt" [19:11] when the ubuntu for mobile will be released ..Ubuntu OS for mobile ? [19:11] thanks [19:11] mhall119: ubuntu for tables [19:11] harish_manutd, many people run it daily already on their nexus devices [19:11] Hi [19:11] harish_manutd: It already exists. 1.0 was release w/ 13.10 release. [19:11] Remember to use QUESTION: if you have a question directed at Mark. [19:12] ogra_ .never knew about that ... [19:12] harish_manutd: I've been running it exclusively since August of last year [19:12] harish_manutd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [19:12] on a Nexus 4 [19:12] harish_manutd: it's right there on http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ [19:12] Futur game compatible Ubuntu via Mantle (New API) ? [19:12] same since june on a galaxy nexus [19:12] is that Jono's hand? [19:12] What I'm waiting for is the day that UT is available officially for Nexus 5. [19:12] that hairy hand looks familiar [19:12] :-) [19:13] JoshStrobl: it works great right now on the N5 as long as you hate sound. [19:13] Question: When this planned out Ubuntu Phone in Europe? [19:13] nhaines: Well, I like sound, so I don't think it'll be right for me yet :P [19:13] if you have questions for Mark, type them in with 'QUESTION' followed by your question and I will add it to the list :-) [19:13] ogra_ thanks for the link..looks like it will be compatible only with nexus devices... [19:13] when exactly Ubuntu 14.04 LTS will be available? [19:13] JoshStrobl: in that case, MultiROM Manager is a great way to dual-boot. :) [19:13] harish_manutd: that's all we support right now [19:13] jezak: 17 April 2014. [19:13] nhaines: Yea I've been thinking about doing that. [19:13] harish_manutd: there are community ports to non-Nexus devices [19:14] thanks :) [19:14] yes, mostly nexus ... there are community ports for other devices but they are foten far behind in features [19:14] jezak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule [19:14] Micael: most probably at the end of the year [19:14] cool... [19:14] :'( [19:14] any one tried the new kernel? [19:14] watch that smile ! [19:15] Futur game compatible Ubuntu via Mantle (New API) ? [19:15] :) [19:15] spider623: you mean 3.13? [19:15] on ut [19:15] orga_ It's the smile of genuine enthusiasm. [19:15] On the new landed code he's talking about, I got about 12 programs running on my Nexus 5 before it started getting creaky. It was fun. :) [19:15] will ubuntu touch support Python? [19:15] here jono [19:15] for now i will be happy if they add a download option on the browser [19:16] ivo_xavier: never. [19:16] ivo_xavier: Go, QML / C++, JS [19:16] Remember, if you have a question for Mark, append the question to "QUESTION:". [19:16] any plans to get Vodafone onboard? [19:16] ivo_xavier: it's ubuntu. you could install python if you want [19:17] dobey: actually, python's already there. [19:17] ivo_xavier: python is not part of the supported platform for app development [19:17] (but yes, there's some python under the hood) [19:17] QUESTION: What's your favorite app on the phone? (not necessarily most used, but the one you like the most) [19:17] rcain: http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/carrier-advisory-group [19:17] nhaines: yes. of course [19:17] QUESTION: any plans to get Vodafone onboard? [19:17] there is a terminal app ... and you could write python scripts you run in it :) [19:18] rcain: they're already onboard. [19:18] rcain: vodafone is already part of the CAG: www.ubuntu.com/phone/carrier-advisory-group [19:18] thanks nhaines :) [19:18] LOVE Ubuntu! can't wait for a phone! :) [19:18] me to [19:18] The HTML5 implementation is really solid for Ubuntu Touch at this point. If you want to develop an UT app in HTML5 / JS, it's totally doable at this point. [19:19] quit [19:19] QUESTION: As you move toward introducing unity 8 on the desktop, how have you been working on the present releases to make sure it is implemented the right way, and how you want it? & how has the phone design process affected the desktop portion of unity? [19:19] But we're waiting W3C API's support for HTML5 apps :/ [19:19] great news about Vodafone. I'll request Ubuntu on my next upgrade, VERY soon i hope. [19:20] JoshStrobl: it is but also the browser on UT is missing many features, when you can't even download a picture ... well... [19:20] spider623: that functionality is landing now, using the new download manager and content hub [19:20] candelibas: Not necessarily. You can use Cordova APIs, which tie into the hardware access you need, and since Oxide is based on Blink, the majority of things that'd work in Chrome will work in Oxide. [19:20] GO GO GO \m/ [19:21] Obviously Chrome-specific APIs (like Chrome extension stuff) won't work. [19:21] mhall119: great news, i may actually put it back on the phone! [19:21] If you are interested in UT development, join in at #ubuntu-app-devel after the keynote! [19:21] QUESTION are the new Icons are coming to 14.04? [19:21] QUESTION: UT Development? I missed something [19:22] bennybolivar: only on the phone; not on the desktop. [19:22] fossterer: that's not a question. [19:22] thx [19:22] What is this UT Development? [19:22] nhaines: exploooooooosions? [19:22] yes [19:22] dobey: giant exploooooooosions! [19:22] fossterer, ubuntu touch app development [19:22] fossterer: development of apps especially for Ubuntu Touch [19:22] OK.. Thanks [19:22] Why Ubuntu still stupid? I mean no automatic troubleshooting [19:22] Evening all [19:22] good [19:22] (not unreal tournament) [19:23] s/Ubuntu Touch/Ubunu/ [19:23] QUESTION: Which language (straight QML or Go), besides HTML5, do we expect/hope to be easiest to port to other devices such as Android/iOS? [19:23] Otak: rudeness won't get you the attention you want [19:23] vthompson: QML and javascript. [19:23] when is ubuntu?? [19:23] no sound? [19:23] ubuntu is now :) [19:23] Otak: if troubleshooting could be done automatically, the computer would just do it. [19:23] ogra_: +1 [19:23] ogra_: :) [19:23] ogra_: best answer [19:23] nhaines, darn it. I wanted an excuse to start playing with Go [19:23] dont laugh at me was only asking [19:23] vthompson: do it then [19:24] Snack_Pocket88: we're laughing at ogra_, not you [19:24] Ubuntu does not have automatic troubleshooting like Windows [19:24] nhaines: if troubleshooting could be done automatically, we'd have skynet [19:24] vthompson: QML I would recommend for user interfaces, go for lower level stuff that you might do with c++/perl/bash/... now [19:24] dobey: well work on Juju *is* still ongoing. ;) [19:24] dobey: LOL [19:24] hola [19:24] btw any one tried Multirom Manager to install ubuntu? [19:24] vthompson: and you can use GO+QML of course :) (qml for the GUI only) [19:24] People hate ubuntu because Ubuntu just mae like a tool [19:24] why is samsung galaxy y i install ubuntu?? i have livecd [19:24] (backend in go) [19:25] spider623: yeah, I used it at SCALE and ever since. It's fantastic. [19:25] Otak: if you hate ubuntu, why are you here? [19:25] spider623: unfortunately not. The support for my Nexus 7 (2012) has been dropped. [19:25] I said "people" [19:25] JoshStrobl: That sounds good.So we won't need W3C APIs [19:25] Otak, give love a chance :-) [19:25] juju - cooll name :) [19:25] Snack_Pocket88: you can't install on a phone with a LiveCD, you need to download an installable image specifically for your device [19:25] candelibas: A lot of the hardware-level JS APIs are W3C drafts, just fyi ;) [19:26] juju ..COOL names they come up with :) [19:26] Snack_Pocket88: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices has a list of supported and semi-supported devices [19:26] installing 234 proposed from there now, i hope my wifi will not be slow like a snail again today [19:26] People hate it because every time trubleshooting the only way is do command line a.k. a MNUAL [19:26] MANUAL [19:26] I've seen that someone was working on adding Digital Ocean support to juju. Is that going to be mainlined at some point? [19:27] Otak: if you know of a good way to built automated troubleshooting, please document it somewhere and propose it in the next UDS [19:27] you got to love juju [19:27] QUESTION: Any plans to reintroduce Ubuntu certifications? Especially in the area of cloud computing this would really useful. [19:27] Otak, so help making it better and people do not need to troubleshoot at all :) [19:27] Cracknel: certification of people or of hardware? [19:27] i dont lke this ubuntu i like the old one unity [19:27] Otak: troubleshooting cannot be autoamted. if you have problems with some errors that happen not being good enough, please file bugs [19:27] mhall119: people [19:27] Cracknel: people. [19:27] ah, nvm then, was going to point you to the hardware certifications page :) [19:27] Also I meant mhall119: people. [19:27] My mom's been using 12.04LTS based disrto. I explained to her Ubuntu's licensing news.with Linux Mint. She agrees with your decision, so that users don't get lesser quality experience using the Ubuntu name. [19:28] Auto trobleshooting in Windows helped many people [19:28] digitaldefector, thanks ! [19:28] Otak, this is not a good time to discuss this [19:28] Ubuntu is not smart as Windows [19:28] Otak, so feel free to help making something like this work on Ubuntu too [19:28] I recommend you raise this another time in a better venue [19:28] QUESTION: I've seen that someone was working on adding Digital Ocean support to juju. Is that going to be mainlined at some point? [19:28] Otak: if you know how it should work, propose it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Create [19:29] questions! [19:29] Yay, it's question time! [19:30] As long as Ubuntu devs cant create auto troubleshooting I cant confirm people arounf me to use ubuntu [19:30] Otak my wifi isnt working on my vista laptop. Any thoughts? [19:30] QUESTION: because I've been curious for a while, what's the story behind your dragon avatar? === Armand is now known as Guest74043 === Guest74043 is now known as Armand990 [19:30] Question: When it is planned out Ubuntu Phone in Europe? [19:30] mhall119: ooh, good question. [19:30] Otak: this isn't the place to complain about it [19:30] mhall119, +1 [19:30] mhall119, google: here be dragons [19:30] meer? what is? [19:30] Micael: you keep asking but the answer is always going to be "later this year from BQ" [19:30] QUESTION: Mark, would you share you top 5 favorite apps for Ubuntu Touch (other than packaged websites like Google+)? [19:30] Ubuntu must be smart to gain popularity [19:31] QUESTION: any chance of a further attempt at the Edge? [19:31] awesome development with the Ubuntu phone!, can't wait to have mine [19:31] Hi mark! [19:31] ogra_: I'm familiar with the maritime history of the phrase, just not sure why Mark adopted it [19:31] Snack_Pocket88: "Mir", it's the software that displays things on the screen [19:31] QUESTION: In what release cycle do you expect systemd to replace Upstart? [19:31] mhall119: because historically South Africa was a dragon stronghold [19:32] Question: Has anyone officially spoke with Will Wheaton about his comments on Ubuntu going in a direction that displeases him, and why? [19:32] JoshStrobl: there was a session about that yesterday [19:32] mhall119: Oh... [19:32] well damn, missed it :D [19:32] JoshStrobl: it's recorded :) [19:32] bobsam: lol [19:32] mhall119, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/biography ;) [19:32] bobsam: it's Wil with one l :) [19:32] QUESTION: When Ubuntu devs would make UBuntu smart as Windows? [19:32] dobey: ty [19:32] cornrows! [19:32] mhall119, HBD = "here be dragons" [19:32] bac: hahahaha [19:33] Otak: When will ubuntu devs make Ubuntu as dumb* as windows? fixed [19:33] Otak keep trolling its funny. You from india? [19:33] Otak: could you please stop being disruptive to this developer summit? There are other good places to discuss your concerns if you wish to be constructive. [19:33] QUESTION: Other DE like LXDE will be transitioning to QT, like Unity is going to do. I've been a GTK centric user. Will we get the same KISS for QT like we do with GTK? [19:33] dertolle: please be respectful. [19:33] Otak: Please stop being disruptive. [19:33] Dont feed the troll [19:33] sabdfl: *waves* [19:33] arrest someone for his beard? [19:33] MANDY ?!? [19:34] question: with Apple TV 4 rumors and their work to sign service providers to provide live tv shows 4 days after they air, and roku releasing devices faster than ever, where is Ubuntu TV and has any efforts been put to work with content providers to offer these services ? [19:34] spider623, if he's got a beard he must be a terrorist, d'oh! :/ [19:34] Google only make Linux is just to run a Chrome browser. It seems Linux is just a tool [19:34] * rickspencer3 braces [19:34] bobsam: use QUESTION in all caps if you have a question [19:34] rolling FTW !!! [19:35] Keep it comming [19:35] QUESTION: with Apple TV 4 rumors and their work to sign service providers to provide live tv shows 4 days after they air, and roku releasing devices faster than ever, where is Ubuntu TV and has any efforts been put to work with content providers to offer these services ? [19:35] Otak: all operating systems are just tools. That's practically their reason for being. [19:35] Otak, computers are just a tool [19:35] QUESTION: Has anyone officially spoke with Will Wheaton about his comments on Ubuntu going in a direction that displeases him, and why? [19:35] Otak: Linux is just a kernel, yes [19:35] nhaines, beat me :-P [19:35] android runs on top of linux too [19:35] will ubuntu phone support "portable PC" mode with bluetooth keyb+mouse and a screen with mhl/hdmi? [19:35] sergiusens: being fast at typing lets me be lazier at writing. ;) [19:35] bobsam, Ubuntu TV will most likely be based on Ubuntu for Phones ... we need to get that one rock solid first before moving on to other HW [19:35] Armand990: yes, but not for another year. [19:36] ogra_: we just need external monitor support :P [19:36] rsalveti, DOIT ! [19:36] :) [19:36] lol [19:36] rsalveti: details, details. :) [19:36] so I can plug my nexus 4 and watch movies with it [19:36] ++ [19:36] nhaines, thanks for quick answer, hope we get it soon, it's a really impressive feature if available :) [19:36] rsalveti: make it happen [19:36] rsalveti, just use your 30" tablet [19:36] ogra_: it's actually not that complicated, but got better things to do :P [19:36] QUESTION: What happened to the notification icons (Skype, Dropbox, etc.) in the Unity panel? [19:36] Armand990: they already have it running in concept with Ubuntu for Android. So I think when it's just Ubuntu all the way down it's going to be super impressive. :) [19:37] rsalveti, you will work on it after you have been moved to the TV team ;) [19:37] QUESTION: any plans for 'docability' with wide-screen/Digtal TVS's, [19:37] rhaines, agreed! :)) [19:37] kuteva: nothing? skype appears in the top panel for me [19:37] rcain: no plans. That's a hardware vendor problem. [19:37] Not in 13.10 [19:37] ogra_: ;-) [19:38] kuteva: does here. but this isn't the forum to ask for tech support [19:38] Ubuntu phone will be fail product becaue it's not smart as android [19:38] kuteva: Yes it does. In 13.10 the notification icon works for Skype, as well as 14.04. [19:38] don't compare with the Asus TF series, more than 30% have hardware issues :/ [19:38] Otak: please leave if you're just going to troll [19:38] Otak: alright already, you've said your piece [19:38] @dobey: thanks. need to lobby them. i WANT it :) [19:38] QUESTION: Not sure this will make it as it's late, but what is your strategy with regards to the lack of an established app market for ubuntu? [19:38] . [19:39] Otak: "Study: Internet Trolls Are Also Terrible In Real Life" - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2453609,00.asp [19:39] . [19:39] Irc rule #1 : dont feed the troll [19:39] I'd love to see ASUS make Ubuntu products [19:39] JoshStrobl: pretty much [19:39] noobermin: the strategy is to make the SDK awesome, make QML and HTML5 compelling, support Cordova/PhoneGap to make a port beautiful but painless, and make the platform so compelling that everyone wants to be on it. [19:39] noobermin: in case he can't answer, we're going to make a phone OS that's desirable and a developer platform that's easy, betweent he two the apps should come to us [19:39] All newbies? [19:40] QUESTION: any chance of a united market along with google in order to have common purchases with Google play? If you guys merge your services it will be great [19:40] lots of good quotablel stuff there Mark. anyone making a transcript? [19:40] spider623: Google doesn't care about that. [19:40] Ubuntu designer are soulless [19:40] rcain: the video is being recorded [19:40] nhaines: mhall119: god speed! [19:40] rcain, it is recorded [19:40] Nor does Apple. And probably neither does Canonical. :) [19:41] Otak: Obvious troll is obvious. [19:41] Otak, you are tiring ... [19:41] just ignore Otak [19:41] nhaines: actually getting money from more than one platform is in her plans [19:41] @mhall119 [19:41] mhall119 [19:41] @mhall119: thanks [19:41] Keep feeding.... [19:41] ogra_: can't we get someone to kick/ban/kline him? [19:41] look at the wallpaper. No art at all [19:41] dertolle, trying hard not to :) [19:41] dobey, no idea, i guess we have OPs here [19:42] Its kind of funny actually [19:42] pick up the new icons in a point release? [19:42] uuuh [19:42] dertolle: yeah. so was "Dumb & Dumber" :) [19:42] rickspencer3: can't: UI Freeze. [19:42] ^^ [19:42] Although I really, really like sabdfl angling for an optional package with the Suru icons! :D [19:42] 14.1, 14.2 with new icons? [19:43] The souless Ubuntu designers should be fired for goodness [19:43] why not? it wold be sweet [19:43] rickspencer3: it would break the Documenation team. [19:43] Otak: who still believes in souls these days? [19:43] * rickspencer3 kick Otak [19:43] t1mp: dude, no need to escalate [19:43] rww: welcome! [19:44] ok [19:44] "Oh hell yea" - I liked that version of "yes". [19:44] Ubuntu wallpaper just made people in my country laughing so loud when ubuntu designer claim it has art on it [19:44] QUESTION: canonicals business model to profit share with developers on application sales, has that shown promising results and interests from big players? [19:44] QUESTION: Why was the gear (System settings, Shut down, ...) removed from the HUD search in 13.10? [19:45] Has FairPhone been mentioned? [19:45] Hermansson: nope [19:45] dual sim ++++ :) [19:46] wow, the legend is on live :) [19:46] we need an oem that will release a phone with no os and you will be able to choose what os you like just like a normal pc [19:46] ukbeast, nope, we rented an imposter [19:46] lol sudoku [19:46] lol [19:46] ukbeast, but he isnt bad, is he ? [19:46] \o/ [19:47] lol, look out dinko! [19:47] * xnox feels under pressure now to update g+ app. [19:47] he's real, look at that beard [19:47] I do like the Sudoku stuff, but nothing's ever beat Brain Age in terms of best digital Sudoku. :) [19:47] Otak: do you understand that your comments here are not constructive, and no one is going to change what they're doing on Ubuntu when a person we don't know shows up on IRC and tells us we're doing it all wrong? [19:47] xnox: aquarius tells me there's a "better web version" of Google+ available that we could be using [19:47] slangasek: he was +q'd :) [19:48] mhall119: i'm open to any improvements. [19:48] aquarius: ^^ [19:48]