[00:00] <SynrG> yeats: macbook air. ...
[00:00] <SynrG> no ethernet
[00:00] <SynrG> too thin. can't physically accommodate the connector for it
[00:00] <yeats> SynrG: no dongle?
[00:00] <SynrG> noep
[00:00] <_Tristan> Yo, anybody know how I can install grub without efi? It really wants efi, but it doesn't work.
[00:01] <yeats> SynrG: the installer only contains free and open source software, so it's really a "broadcom is closed source" issue
[00:01] <SynrG> yeats: you sure? this is the +mac variant of the installer
[00:02] <SynrG> sure as heck seems it loads wl and it works fine for a while ...
[00:02] <Jordan_U> !details | _Tristan
[00:02] <SynrG> the live image, at least
[00:02] <yeats> SynrG: I've never installed on a Mac, but Ubuntu can't legally include proprietary drivers (though it can download and install them during installation)
[00:03] <_Tristan> I have a problem with ubuntu 12.04. When I reinstall grub without efi I get ubuntu. When I reinstall grub with efi I get bootloops, which is a fruitloops knockoff.
[00:03] <SynrG> yeats: lsmod confirms wl is loaded shortly after the live system boots
[00:03] <SynrG> yeats: i'm able to connect to my wireless network and remain connected only as long as i don't start the installer :/
[00:03] <Dj_FlyBy> got a headless 12.04 server and I am trying to access the www directories via smb but it appears to be read only as I am unable to save anything to the folders I set all permissions properly (think it has to do with /var/www/* being owned by root). uploading edited www files via ftp over the local network is getting tiresome. Is there a safe wayto share my /var/www/* via smb?
[00:03] <Dylan> Back.
[00:03] <Dylan> There is no slidebar.
[00:04] <SynrG> yeats: btw. this isn't my first bbq ... :) debian developer, former lead of the debian-eeepc project, etc. i'm well acquainted with non-free licensing issues ...
[00:04] <Dylan> mici or kc9iid: you guys still here?
[00:05] <kamil_> hello
[00:05] <SynrG> i'd happily ditch brcmsmac if i could, but i strongly suspect the "+mac" iso actually deliberately includes and prefers wl because that's what's considered "best for macs"
[00:05] <yeats> SynrG: okay - I wasn't assuming anything either way ;-)
[00:05] <kamil_> morning ubuntu serev
[00:05] <SynrG> er, ditch *wl* and use brcmsmac
[00:05] <OerHeks> SynrG, what if you start the live environment first, then install ? maybe the connection stays alive
[00:05] <yeats> SynrG: have you consulted this page?: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[00:05] <SynrG> OerHeks: that's what i've been saying i've been doing all along
[00:05] <kamil_> hey yeats may i ask you ?
[00:06] <SynrG> i've tried both starting the live environment and connecting to wifi, and not connecting ...
[00:06] <Dylan> Dammit. Anyone able to help me with installing Ubuntu and dealing with partitions?
[00:06] <Jordan_U> SynrG: The one and only difference between the +mac iso and non +mac iso is that the +mac iso has the EFI loader *removed*.
[00:06] <yeats> kamil_: just ask your question to the channel - if someone can help - they'll respond
[00:06] <SynrG> blacklisting, and not blacklisting (in the live system)
[00:06] <SynrG> Jordan_U: i see. thanks
[00:06] <Jordan_U> SynrG: You're welcome.
[00:07] <kamil_> what the different beetwen xchat and irc standard ?
[00:07] <Dylan> I'm installing Ubuntu with a dual boot and I'm unsure how to handle the partitioning. I need to make a partition for Ubuntu while leaving enough space for Win 7.
[00:07] <mici> http://askubuntu.com/questions/150550/installing-ubuntu-with-windows-which-is-left-and-right-when-allocating-space
[00:07] <Jordan_U> _Tristan: So if you install the grub-pc package, Ubuntu boots correctly?
[00:07] <Dylan> Ah, mici is still here.
[00:07] <mici> Dylan that link has an image of the slider im talking about
[00:07] <SynrG> Jordan_U: any idea why wl is forced here?
[00:08] <Dylan> mici: I'm not getting that slider.
[00:08] <Dylan> mici: I'm on the live CD right now and I took a screen shot.
[00:08] <Dylan> Any way I can send it to you?
[00:08] <kamil_> what the different ma ??
[00:08] <SynrG> this flies in the face of "ubuntu can't legally include it"
[00:10] <daftykins> Dylan: upload images to somewhere like imagebin
[00:10] <daftykins> or imgur.com
[00:10] <daftykins> or any of a whole host of choices
[00:10] <Jordan_U> SynrG: You tried passing blacklist=foo as a kernel parameter?
[00:12] <Jordan_U> SynrG: Rather it appears like the proper form is foo.blacklist=yes .
[00:13] <leptone_> hello i am trying to install LyX Document Processor throught the USC and i keep getting this error:
[00:13] <leptone_> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick-common_6.6.9.7-5ubuntu3.2_all.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80] Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/imagemagick/libmagickcore4_6.6.9.7-5ubuntu3.2_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80] Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/imagemagick/libmagickwand4_6.6.9.7-5ubuntu3.2_i386.deb 404  Not Found 
[00:13] <adam___> acpi_listen doesn't output anything
[00:13] <Jordan_U> leptone_: sudo apt-get update
[00:13] <kamil_> hey yeats may i ask you ?
[00:14] <yeats> kamil_: I don't know the answer to your question, and it's really not Ubuntu support
[00:15] <htcm7> Hey is there a channel specific for ubuntu touch?
[00:15] <yeats> !phone | htcm7
[00:15] <SynrG> Jordan_U: ok. a) the owner and her macbook air have left the building. b) no, i didn't, but it wasn't obvious how to get the grub-efi's attention at boot. seemed to go strait to booting right after selecting from rEFInd
[00:15] <adam___> acpi_listen doesn't output anything
[00:15] <htcm7> thx
[00:16] <SynrG> Jordan_U: and c) the owner's Dad says "yes, there is an ethernet dongle, and i can send it with her next time"
[00:16] <yeats> !pm | kamil_
[00:16] <heath> trying to start emacs as a deamon in ubuntu, what's the recommended method for starting emacs as a startup service in ubuntu?
[00:16] <heath> ubottu: !startup
[00:16] <SynrG> so assuming next time i can get grub's attention and append wl.blacklist=yes, i will and then we'll even install over ethernet if need be.
[00:16] <kamil_> ubottu is a bot
[00:17] <SynrG> yeats, Jordan_U (and anyone else i may have overlooked): thanks :) until next time ...
[00:17]  * SynrG waves
[00:17] <yeats> SynrG: best of luck
[00:17] <kamil_> i hve trouble with changing folder access directory
[00:19] <king_> hi linux mint chat is rubbish the ops are always on and they are stricked
[00:19] <king_> hello
[00:20] <king_> hello
[00:20] <[RO]Daniel> you are using linux mint and you decided to get help from here? :)) hello btw
[00:20] <rawfodog> hi, I made a bookmark to an ftp server in nautilus. I was wondering where that symlink is made so I can use the short cut to get into that place (rather than enter the creds in terminal)
[00:20] <demianb> Haha.
[00:20] <hitsujiTMO> king_: this is ubuntu support, not a chat channel
[00:21] <king_> no just feed up of linux mint chat thing
[00:21] <rawfodog> answer my question you trolls
[00:21] <demianb> I would suggest making a backup of your /home, then restoring your files and settigs after installing Ubuntu. ;)
[00:21] <king_> hitsujitmo what is your chat channnel
[00:24] <king_> hitsujitmo what is your chat channnel
[00:24] <humbag_> king_: have you been to #defocus ?
[00:24] <king_> no
[00:24] <humbag_> it is a silly place
[00:25] <hitsujiTMO> king_: #ubuntu-offtopic for offtopic stuff
[00:25] <king_> humbag linuxmint things are a silly place
[00:25] <haT> hello
[00:25] <king_> hitsujitmo thanks
[00:25] <haT> i need help with something
[00:26] <haT> guys, how do i modify a systemd file ?
[00:27] <Jordan_U> haT: What systemd file are you trying to modify and why?
[00:27] <haT> the logind.conf
[00:27] <haT> when i close the lid of my laptop it doesn't hibernate
[00:28] <Jordan_U> haT: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[00:28] <haT> as a matter of fact am using the xubuntu saucy
[00:29] <king_> haT is it saucy
[00:29] <haT> yes, xubuntu saucy
[00:31] <Jordan_U> haT: You can edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf like any other text file. Since it's root owned, you will need to use sudo or gksudo, for example "gksudo /etc/systemd/logind.conf". Of course you should also backup the current contents first.
[00:31] <Jordan_U> haT: Sorry, "gksudo gedit /etc/systemd/logind.conf".
[00:31] <haT> i have tried
[00:31] <violinuxer> ubuntu saucy? dang, i remember the days of hardy, gutsy, and fiesty :) boy ubuntu has gone a long way since then :)
[00:32] <haT> yea..
[00:32] <Jordan_U> !details | haT
[00:32] <king_> lol
[00:32] <haT> i started using ubuntu since December and i love it
[00:32] <haT> i have tried sudo
[00:33] <haT> even when i manage to modify it it doesn't save
[00:33] <Jordan_U> haT: What is the exact command you ran? What error message did you recieve when you tried to save?
[00:33] <haT> so i have to get out without saving
[00:34] <haT>  sudo vim /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[00:34] <morph4me> sudo -i to root
[00:34] <haT> hmm.......
[00:35] <haT> let me try that
[00:36] <Jordan_U> morph4me: haT: Please don't suggest starting a full root shell when it's not needed, as is the case here.
[00:36] <Jordan_U> haT: And what error message do you get when you try to ":w"?
[00:38] <pack^> I always tell people who have a hard time with command line to download Midnight Commander (mc) and use it to edit files and file properties as well as change groups etc.
[00:38] <haT> nope.. i am still new to linux and i don't what is w
[00:38] <haT> haha
[00:38] <haT> morph
[00:38] <haT> thanks
[00:38] <haT> sudo i worked
[00:38] <haT> sudo -i
[00:38] <xtarxcream> Hey guys
[00:38] <Jordan_U> haT: No, something else worked. sudo -i didn't change your ability to save the file any more than running vim via sudo would.
[00:38] <haT> :|
[00:38] <Jordan_U> haT: Then you shouldn't be using vim yet. Try "gksudo gedit /etc/systemd/logind.conf" for a GUI editor or "sudo nano /etc/systemd/logind.conf" for a simpler terminal based editor.
[00:38] <xtarxcream> got a quick question bout unity, was wondering if there was a way to modify the dash launcher icon
[00:39] <haT> 0_o
[00:39] <haT> Jordan, how do i get out sudo
[00:39] <Jordan_U> haT: exit
[00:39] <haT> just type exit ?
[00:40] <haT> didn't work
[00:40] <morph4me> exit followed by hitting enter
[00:40] <haT> i did
[00:40] <Jordan_U> haT: What does the bottom line of your terminal currently show?
[00:40] <haT> root@paa-ThinkPad-X201:/etc/systemd# exit
[00:40] <haT> exit
[00:41] <haT> when i typed exit
[00:41] <haT> it printed out exit
[00:41] <haT> ohh
[00:41] <Jordan_U> haT: Yes, and now you're at a '$' prompt, correct?
[00:41] <haT> ok now it works
[00:41] <haT> yes
[00:41] <haT> damn linux kicks ass
[00:42] <Jordan_U> haT: Try "gksudo gedit /etc/systemd/logind.conf" and you will find that you will be able to modify the file via gedit that way.
[00:42] <haT> ok i will do it right now
[00:43] <haT> gksudo is currently not installed
[00:43] <haT> is it a must that i download it ?
[00:43] <haT> is it needed /
[00:43] <haT> ?
[00:45] <haT> where did Jordan_U and morph4me go ?
[00:45] <morph4me> haT you can get there with this as well ,... just don't forget to save sudo - i  gedit /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[00:45] <haT> i did saved
[00:46] <t0rkvam3do> good night
[00:46] <haT> hmm...
[00:46] <morph4me> k then get out of root  and type  gedit /etc/systemd/logind.conf ...it should ask to reload
[00:47] <kamil_> someone help me
[00:47] <haT> ok
[00:47] <ACCBiggz> Priority: LOW; 13.10 - Flash player in chromium browser begins wonky (http://imgur.com/JyOgmAm), but once video actually plays it's fine. Thinking I should just leave it, but it's irritating.
[00:48] <xtarxcream> If anyone can gimme a hand w unity 7, send me a ping please.
[00:48] <Jordan_U> morph4me: The commands you are giving are incorrect. Please try to be more careful when giving instructions.
[00:48] <Beldar> ACCBiggz, I don't use it ir chrome, however the latter has a onboard more up to date flash.
[00:48] <Beldar> or*
[00:48] <morph4me> Jordan sudo -i gedit would open that as root
[00:48] <Jordan_U> haT: If you want to use gedit rather than nano, then yes, you should install gksu/gksudo.
[00:49] <ACCBiggz> Beldar: When I loaded chromium it had no flash in plugins. I began by getting pepperflash, but it didn't complete all the way. Thus, I installed regular flash to get to this point.
[00:50] <haT> ok i managed to open it with vim
[00:50] <Jordan_U> morph4me: You should not run GUI commands as root using anything other than gksudo/gksu.
[00:50] <Jordan_U> haT: But you don't know how to use vim.
[00:51] <haT> ohh ok..
[00:51] <Beldar> ACCBiggz, Flash from the repos is just older.
[00:51] <haT> guess nano would be good
[00:51] <morph4me> yes Jordan_U well aware
[00:51] <Jordan_U> morph4me: Then why did you give advice which contradicted that knowledge?
[00:51] <Jordan_U> haT: "sudo nano /etc/systemd/logind.conf" will open the file in nano, a simple terminal based text editor.
[00:51] <haT> guys, guys.. it doesn't matter
[00:52] <haT> we learn from our mistake
[00:52] <mici> btw why is gksudo important when sudoing gui apps?
[00:52] <haT> somebody gives you an advice, you try and if that screws you up then you've learned your lesson
[00:52] <Jordan_U> haT: If you want to learn how to use vim, "vimtutor" is a great introduction.
[00:52] <haT> ok
[00:54] <Jordan_U> !gksudo | mici