[01:19] <Kekai> hello I am aving an issue with a program in Xubuntu 13.10
[01:20] <Kekai> I am using KVirc and the settings window is too big for the screen so I can not click "Apply"
[01:21] <Kekai> anyone have any suggestions?
[01:22] <knome> Kekai, alt+drag the window
[01:23] <Kekai> its not showing me the bottom few buttons to apply
[01:24] <knome> Kekai, press alt and keep it pressed, then drag the window up with your mouse
[01:26] <Kekai> I am sorry still not dragging it up to where I can apply.
[01:26] <Kekai> I can try another IRC client
[01:26] <Kekai> Its just I used this one for so long under ubuntu I got used to it and it fits my theme
[01:27] <knome> i would ask the kvirc developers then
[01:35] <Kekai> nevermind thank you
[01:35] <Kekai> its Alt+Drag at the bottom
[01:35] <Kekai> not drag at the top
[01:54] <fibz_> there is no documentation fro xfce: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[01:56] <fibz_> i have an LCD that does not supply edid info and and im not getting vga output on this screen (xubuntu install boots correctly, just no VGA output on external monitor)
[02:01] <holstein> fibz_: i would try a different driver if there is one.. i have never been able to settle that with configuration like that, pesonally
[02:02] <fibz_> i cant see the screen, the LCD just displays an OSD message saying "Out of Range"
[02:03] <holstein> fibz_: right.. i have seen that before.. i have just set the resolution and other settings to something the display will use
[02:03] <fibz_> i cant see anything after choosing a unetbootin boot option
[02:03] <holstein> fibz_: from waht i understand, you are just sending it something it cant handle
[02:03] <fibz_> can i see an example of what that should look like in the unetbootin command line?
[02:04] <holstein> fibz_: you might need to do safe graphics mode.. but, its not an xfce thing, really.. its more of a hardware/driver thing
[02:04] <holstein> fibz_: it shouldnt matter that you are using unetbootin, but, you may want to just dd the iso, so the nomodeset and other settings work more easily
[02:05] <holstein> or you could text install, and just set it up in an xorg.conf after installing whatever drivers are needed
[02:05] <fibz_> im going to remake the key with linux live USB creator. that way i get the correct xubuntu boot menu which i am more familiar with (no optical drive)
[02:06] <holstein> fibz_: if you are re-doing it, just use dd
[02:06] <fibz_> i've already started the process.  was doing that n googleing while waiting for a reply
[02:11] <fibz_> i dont think resolution is the issue
[02:11] <fibz_> it's pipeing video to the LVDS display that is non existant
[02:12] <oojacoboo> how can I check which graphics cards are recognized by the OS?
[02:12] <fibz_> (laptop got ripped in half, no LCD, using external LCD)
[02:12] <onyotzki> hallo
[02:12] <Unit193> onyotzki: Howdy.
[02:13] <holstein> fibz_: when i have seen that exact message, i changed the resolution being sent to the monitor to something that is in range for the hardware, and it worked
[02:13] <holstein> fibz_: i did that with an xorg.conf file
[02:14] <holstein> oojacoboo: try the live CD
[02:14] <oojacoboo> holstein: ?
[02:14] <holstein> oojacoboo: try the live CD and see if the OS works with your graphics hardware
[02:15] <oojacoboo> holstein: one of the cards works fine
[02:15] <oojacoboo> I just can't tell if the others are recognized
[02:15] <oojacoboo> I have 3 in total
[02:15] <holstein> oojacoboo: lspci shows hardware.. i havent had luck mixing cards like that.. but, i have read about it being addressed the same as i just suggested.. with an xorg.conf
[02:16] <fibz_>  none of my PCs show the xubuntu splash screen during boot. that can be fixed with resolution. i know it's pipeing it to the wrong screen because i blindly went into tty console and put the system to suspend then woke the system and got video onto the external LCD. problem is im doing this blind and getting it right is a crap shoot. this isnt an existing system but the installer
[02:16] <oojacoboo> holstein: I'll check it out, thanks
[02:31] <fibz_> okay so i need to add "xrandr --output VGA1 --rate 60 --mode 1024x768" to the end of my USB's xorg.conf? holstein
[02:32] <holstein> fibz_: what would i do? try nomodeset from the normal iso i used dd to copy to the stick.. or, i would use the mini iso and install, then, use a custom xorg.conf post install if needed
[02:33] <fibz_> i tried nomodeset
[02:33] <holstein> fibz_: unfortunately, i have found quite a few external vga ports that just dont work
[02:33] <fibz_> this works fine in 12.x and 13.x
[02:33] <holstein> fibz_: what are you using?
[02:34] <fibz_> 14
[02:34] <holstein> 14? its not released yet.. just use 12.04 or 13.10
[02:35] <holstein> is there a proprietary driver you typically install?
[02:35] <fibz_> nope, always been x.org
[02:35] <holstein> fibz_: thats the server
[02:35] <holstein> !xorg
[02:36] <holstein> it will take advantage of a kernel module or driver.. and that can be broken or unsupported in 14.04 right now.. or who knows
[02:38] <fibz_> it's an intel gpu
[02:38] <holstein> sure.. i have a few intel gpu's that are problematic.. and any of that can be broken in 14.04
[02:39] <holstein> any of it can be removed anytime from the kernel.. older drivers that they want to pull out
[02:39] <holstein> 12.04 is supported for a long time.. and is inline with the age of the hardware more
[02:40] <fibz_> im trying to get away from 12.04. i cant stand it any more.
[02:40] <holstein> 13.10 is supported and you stated it works.. you can support it as long as you please after july
[02:41] <fibz_> it's currently got 12.10.   looks like im on my own for 14
[02:41] <holstein> !14.04
[02:42] <holstein> fibz_: on your owh, or in that channel.. though, its not officially supported til april
[02:46] <fibz_> part of why im trying to run 14 is to get my wifi working.my Wifi N card hasnt worked since 13. i'd like to get that fixed some point b4 next year (no wifi means no google or IRC, gotta sneakernet my efforts)
[02:46] <holstein> well, its not something you'll "fix" since its not broken
[02:46] <fibz_> i'd like to at least get a bug report in. is that too much to ask?
[02:46] <holstein> i "Fixed" it by replacing it with a well supported wifi chip
[02:47] <fibz_> im sorry im poor and running half a laptop
[02:47] <holstein> fibz_: start one. but, its really just not supported.. broadcom is not going to be able/willing to co-operate, and there is just so much that can be done
[02:47] <holstein> fibz_: but, mine works great now that i replaced it.. atheros :)
[02:48] <holstein> fibz_: i have run many headless laptops like that.. i understand.. and, there are "free of cost" machines and hardware that are supported
[02:48] <holstein> fibz_: i didnt pay anything for the atheros chip i replaced my broadcom one with
[02:50] <fibz_> how?
[02:50] <holstein> salvaged.. discussion available in #xubuntu-offtopic
[02:52] <holstein> i will say, nothing about 14.04 will be able to address that driver issue for broadcom
[02:52] <fibz_> btw, its artheros
[02:53] <holstein> fibz_: i read b4 and assumed "b4".. broadcom
[02:53] <Unit193> b43, yeah. :/
[02:53] <holstein> fibz_: still, its easy to swap it out.. but, that makes me thing it might be a hardware issue
[02:55] <fibz_> it worked fine on any ubuntu 9 ~ 12. 13.04 and up, it looks like it works, but it refuses to connect to any AP
[02:56] <holstein> i would test with a live CD, or an officially supported operating system
[02:56] <holstein> to be sure the hardware isnt broken
[02:56] <fibz_> the hardware works untill you run it on ubuntu 13.x
[02:57] <fibz_> so i have it running 12.10
[02:57] <holstein> i would use 12.04. its still supported
[02:57] <holstein> 12.10 is not
[02:57] <fibz_> i am aware. just cant stand 12.04 any longer
[02:58] <fibz_> 12.04 wont be supported forever anyway
[02:58] <holstein> its quite similar to 12.04.. its just that 12.04 gets years of support and 12.10 is not supported any longer
[02:58] <holstein> fibz_: 12.04 is supported longer than 13.10
[02:59] <fibz_> i am aware of the release schedule and support schedule, i am aware i am making no apparent sense.
[03:00] <holstein> fibz_: no worries.. i just hate to see folks battling so hard
[03:00] <fibz_> i was just pointing out that there is no documentation for xfce here: and i think i found a solution here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Resetting_an_out-of-range_resolution
[03:01] <holstein> fibz_: that problem is not related to xfce, AFAIK
[03:01] <fibz_> no documentation here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen  *
[03:01] <fibz_> i was willing to hold out and not ask for help untill i got there and reached a dead end
[03:01] <holstein> its got to do with sending the resolution to the screen that it cant show.. from my experience.. but, those are plublically editible.. and any attention im sure is appreciated
[03:02] <holstein> i think that could be any operating system sending that res and the monitor would complain
[03:02] <fibz_> but like many others, i dont know what i'm doing so a link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Resetting_an_out-of-range_resolution   would be a VERY nice thing to do
[03:03] <holstein> go or it
[03:03] <holstein> for*
[03:03] <fibz_> i shoudnt be editing stuff when i dont know what im doing
[03:03] <holstein> fibz_: you are addressing the resolution the hardware wont display
[03:04] <holstein> fibz_: you should have your data backed up anyway.. and you can install and test.. it was fiddly when i worked that out, but it was by changing the resolution to what the monitor could display
[03:12] <euryale> Hi can anyone help me please? I installed Xubuntu 13.10 last night before i shut it down it has no problem
[03:12] <euryale> but now my desktop is black & white, it's like it's all greyed out.
[03:13] <euryale> but before that, the desktop is blank, no panel. i installed compiz and emerald last night which i rebooted and came with no problem, til now.
[03:13] <holstein> euryale: i wouldnt do that.. consider reverting..
[03:13] <holstein> euryale: you can try resetting the user config..
[03:14] <Unit193> See if that fixes it, if it does. try out compton, though not as "fun" as the other is.
[03:14] <euryale> what will the reset do?
[03:14] <holstein> euryale: reset the settings that may be breaking your system
[03:14] <holstein> euryale: the changes you have done that has broken the panel and the desktop.. etc
[03:15] <fibz_> holstein, nolapic boot option fixed the problem
[03:15] <euryale> ok how do i put that in the terminal?
[03:15] <holstein> euryale: put what in the terminal?
[03:15] <euryale> i have panel now and have several windows open but the whole screen is black & white.
[03:16] <holstein> euryale: i would start by removing whatever you have installed, and revert.. and consider removing the user config files if needed
[03:16] <holstein> !tty | euryale
[03:16] <euryale> ok
[03:16] <holstein> ^ you should be able to work from a TTY.. or the recover console
[03:16] <holstein> recovery*
[03:16] <euryale> thanks holstein, but i don't know the script to work to.
[03:18] <holstein> euryale: the user configs are in the user /home
[03:18] <holstein> euryale: im not suggesting that will fix the issue.. im suggesting that, in your troubleshooting, if you revert, and you still have issues, you can consider removing the user configs
[03:19] <holstein> euryale: for the panel, for example
[03:19] <fibz_> by that do you meen delete /home/user/.config ?
[03:19] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/224006/resetting-xfce-panels-to-default-settings
[03:19] <holstein> you dont even have to delete them.. you can just move them, and test.. and be able to revert
[03:20] <euryale> ok thanks holstein.
[03:20] <holstein> at some point, i would probably just reinstall, since, its a fresh install, and that might take less time
[03:20] <euryale> but before this i have xubuntu 13.10 in the past with compiz and emerald installed without any problem.
[03:21] <holstein> euryale: it doesnt ship with it.. its problematic
[03:21] <holstein> euryale: i suggest not using it.. and trying compton as Unit193 suggestion
[03:21] <euryale> what is compton?
[03:21] <Unit193> It's not as pretty, but it's a compositor.
[03:21] <holstein> !info compton
[03:22] <Unit193> Hmmm, IIRC not in saucy.
[03:22] <Unit193> !info compton trusty
[03:22] <Unit193> :/
[03:22] <euryale> !info compton
[04:15] <happy> what up
[04:15] <happy> tough crowd
[04:16] <oojacoboo> trying to get a mining rig setup
[04:16] <oojacoboo> having issues with multiple gpus :/
[04:33] <euryale> @holster. i've fix the problem
[04:34] <Unit193> What'd ya do?
[04:36] <euryale> i re-installed the xcfe4 panel.
[04:37] <Unit193> 0_o
[04:37] <euryale> i was trying to remove it via terminal using purge command, turns out that it is not installed, i don't know y but it's what it says, so i installed it again.
[04:38] <vrkalak>  /msg NickServ identify 2kitties6
[05:38] <melt7777> bahahhahaha  w00p w00p security alert
[05:39] <melt7777> oojacoboo come to #litecoin-bamt for mining distro
[05:40] <oojacoboo> melt7777: I think I'm in too deep to distro hop :/
[05:40] <oojacoboo> I was thinking about BAMT though
[05:40] <melt7777> its based on xu
[05:40] <melt7777> just released 10 minutes ago
[05:40] <oojacoboo> got that new new, huh?
[05:42] <melt7777> been busting our buns making it happen
[05:43] <oojacoboo> I hear ya - I might check it out if I can't get this wrapped up
[05:44] <oojacoboo> I don't know much about bamt really
[05:44] <oojacoboo> don't want to start back at zero thoughy
[05:48] <melt7777> you'd be starting at, boot and mine
[05:48] <oojacoboo> what about all my graphic cards and drivers, etc/
[05:49] <oojacoboo> setting up a static ip and ssh
[05:49] <oojacoboo> cgminer and monitoring binaries
[05:49] <melt7777> ssh runs, drivers are installed, monitoring, sgminer4.1 and nfactor,
[05:49] <melt7777> static ip is on u
[05:50] <oojacoboo> you say litecoin... but I'm doing multipool :/
[05:51] <melt7777> same
[05:51] <oojacoboo> what's the difference in this and just BAMT?
[05:52] <oojacoboo> BAMT primarily for bitcoin?
[05:52] <melt7777> go do some readin
[05:52] <melt7777> im out
[06:02] <xubuntu814> hey does xubuntu use gdm?
[06:03] <cfhowlett> xubuntu814, it doesn't
[06:04] <xubuntu814> ok sweet, thanks. What is the upcomming release use as a display manager?
[06:07] <Unit193> LightDM, like the last/rest.
[06:11] <xubuntu814> alright. thank you
[08:42] <xubuntu932> Hello, I just installed Xubuntu (based on Ubuntu 13.10). The bluetooth seems to work (icon on desktop) and "hcitool scan" detects my mouse. However, I can't "pair" my mouse with my computer. Any idea?
[08:44] <mapps> hey
[08:45] <mapps> hmm
[08:45] <mapps> any eror?
[08:45] <xubuntu932> you mean, in the terminal when I launch "hcitool scan"?
[08:45] <mapps> yea
[08:45] <xubuntu932> no, no error
[08:46] <xubuntu932> It successfully detects "F0:65:DD:76:93:18	HP Bluetooth Mouse X4000b".
[08:47] <xubuntu932> how can I "pair my mouse with my computer via the cmd-line? what's the command?
[08:48] <mapps> not sure sorry
[08:48] <xubuntu932> no worries
[09:00] <xubuntu932> FYI I found the answer here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/59204/34919
[11:22] <DougRead> Hi all... My first time on IRC. I've hit a dead end trying to get ethernet working on my Xubuntu laptop - am I ok to go ahead and ask for help?
[11:22] <cfhowlett> !ask|DougRead,
[11:25] <DougRead> I can connect fine with wlan0, but not eth0. With no wlan0 network the eth0 doesn't connect when I believe it should. The output of if config is: eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 20:89:84:17:d8:58             inet addr:10.192.115.54  Bcast:10.192.115.255  Mask:255.255.255.0           inet6 addr: fe80::2289:84ff:fe17:d858/64 Scope:Link           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1           RX packets:4255 erro
[11:33] <dna6a> is there anyone here who loves helping new people
[11:34] <knome> dna6a, why don't you ask your question and find out?
[11:35] <cfhowlett> !ask|dna6a,
[11:36] <dna6a> well I am a complete noob.. I have used ssh once and it took 2 hours to get my sickbeard working for my synology NAS
[11:39] <dna6a> anway, i bought a GPU miner
[11:39] <knome> dna6a, what's your question?
[11:39] <dna6a> and tested it all
[11:41] <dna6a> the command cgm for the cgminer isnt working though
[11:41] <dna6a> and it was at his house
[11:41] <dna6a> i have no idea where to even begin to troubleshoot it
[11:43] <knome> !foocoin | dna6a
[11:45] <dna6a> there must be some  users in here that mine though
[11:46] <knome> possibly, but the right place to ask is the channel for the currency
[11:59] <cfhowlett> dna6a, completely offtopic for ubuntu.  sorry.
[11:59] <dna6a> I understand
[12:00] <dna6a> I am just trying to find a specific user that may be able to assist i guess
[12:00] <dna6a> nm
[12:01] <knome> your best bet would be on the appropriate currency channel
[14:36] <dna6a> it was an xubuntu issue in the end more than a mining one
[14:37] <dna6a> the dns was setup wrong , the last owner had a weird dns
[14:37] <dna6a> anyway im all running and going well now
[14:37] <dna6a> cheers
[17:28] <melt7777> hey does vino work for xfce???
[17:30] <baizon> !info vino
[17:30] <baizon> melt7777: http://askubuntu.com/questions/71309/how-do-i-enable-remote-desktop-connection-on-xubuntu-11-10
[17:31] <melt7777> yes, i followed that, it's running , but rdp won't connect.
[17:31] <melt7777> i can ssh in no problem
[17:32] <melt7777> vnc works, though. do i need to install xrdp for it to use rdp?
[17:34] <melt7777> no that gave me a raw rdp x server no good - vnc will be plenty
[17:35] <melt7777> thx
[17:36] <baizon> np
[18:03] <Frozenthia> Why would a Linux STA driver installed on Xubuntu freeze the wireless and mouse on my Windows partition/OS?
[18:04] <Frozenthia> Card: Broadcom BCM4311
[18:26] <Kekai> Can I just say how much I love Xubuntu
[18:27] <Kekai> idk if its lightweight
[18:27] <Kekai> but I am on spotify, skype, IRC, GOogle chrome
[18:27] <Kekai> and I have a livestream going
[18:27] <Kekai> that would normally kill Ubuntu or windows
[18:28] <_adrenaline> I use xubuntu too and I like it also. I believe yes it is ok for you to yell it out the window
[18:30] <Kekai> well my netbook is 1GB of ram
[18:30] <Kekai> and 400 GB of HDD space so
[18:31] <Kekai> me doing the 4 main things  love at once without choosing 2 is awesome
[18:31] <Kekai> its always google chrome/SPotify or Chrome/KVirc or chrome/Skype
[18:31] <Kekai> So doing all 4 at once is cool
[18:33] <_adrenaline> definitely
[18:33] <_adrenaline> That is some sweet ram in a netbook too
[18:38] <Kekai> well I got an extra slot
[18:38] <Kekai> I looked up the specs of this
[18:38] <Kekai> and it can go to 4GB or ram
[18:38] <Kekai> just no money for another card
[18:38] <Kekai> i would get a 2GB or a 4GB card
[18:39] <Kekai> I kinda like Xubuntu's theme
[18:39] <Kekai> I cant handle light themes
[18:39] <Kekai> I know I can put in another theme
[18:54] <_adrenaline> Ya I agree. have you messed with window tweaks, You can transparent the borders. it is cool too.
[19:01] <arrith> i really don't know how much ram it would save but you can use xmonad as the wm
[19:01] <arrith> there are probably a few different tweaks you can use to get ram down. but iirc it's all within the range of a hundred megabytes or so
[19:02] <Frozenthia> Why would a Linux STA driver installed on Xubuntu freeze the wireless and mouse on my Windows partition/OS?
[19:03] <Frozenthia> Card: Broadcom BCM4311
[19:05] <Kekai> because the windows tribe of people in side your computer are rivals to anyone not part of the tribe and kill your drivers because they are futuristic and think they are voodoo for riding in mechanical beasts..
[19:05] <Kekai> *end of trolling*
[19:05] <Kekai> XD
[19:05] <TheSheep> Kekai: please don't do that
[19:05] <Kekai> sorry
[19:06] <Kekai> I know how it is to break stuff and worry. So a little laugh helps
[19:06] <TheSheep> Frozenthia: I don't really understand your statement.
[19:06] <Kekai> Im guessing it has to do with mulitple drivers
[19:06] <TheSheep> Frozenthia: you are saying that your linux drivers are freezing your windows?
[19:06] <Frozenthia> Yes.
[19:06] <cfhowlett> Frozenthia, highly unlikely.
[19:06] <TheSheep> Frozenthia: so you are running linux or windows?
[19:07] <Frozenthia> When I disabled that driver on Linux and booted back into Windows, my wireless came back and my speeds went back up.
[19:07] <Frozenthia> I'm triple booting OS X, Windows, and Linux.
[19:07] <arrith> now that is pretty odd. i would almost choc it up to coincidence.
[19:07] <arrith> Frozenthia: has this happened multiple times?
[19:07] <cfhowlett> Frozenthia, on a mac?
[19:07] <Frozenthia> Yes, cf
[19:08] <TheSheep> Frozenthia: check your bios settings, maybe the driver enabled power saving functions of your wireless card
[19:08] <TheSheep> and in power saving mode it's less... powerful
[19:08] <arrith> chalk* rather
[19:08] <TheSheep> no idea why mouse would work worse though
[19:08] <TheSheep> oh, that's a mac?
[19:09] <TheSheep> so no bios
[19:09] <TheSheep> here goes my theory
[19:09] <Frozenthia> I have the following partition scheme: EFI/GPT, Mac, Windows, Linux /, Linux Home, and a 2 MB erm... BIOS thing that the installer suggested I have.
[19:09] <arrith> hm yeah some kind of persistent ram or memory thing. some info is being stored somewhere perhaps. some newer mac might be weird
[19:09] <TheSheep> Frozenthia: I can see no way in which a linux system that sits there on the disk and does nothing while your windows runs can affect anything
[19:10] <TheSheep> Frozenthia: are you sure you didn't change anything else in your windows?
[19:10] <Frozenthia> I didn't have wireless except on Mac and Windows. When I used ethernet to give me the STA driver and finally got wireless working, and went back into Windows, my wireless card froze and would limit my speed at 5.5 if I was lucky to connect.
[19:11] <TheSheep> Can't really help you with Windows problems
[19:11] <Frozenthia> When I turned off the driver, the problem went away.
[19:11] <TheSheep> maybe just rebooting the windows is what actually helped?
[19:11] <TheSheep> it tends to be like that
[19:11] <Frozenthia> No, I rebooted over and over prior to turning off the driver.
[19:12] <TheSheep> Since the problems are under Windows, I would contact their support, you are paying them for that after all.
[19:12] <TheSheep> I wouldn't be surprised if it was completely random from reboot to reboot, for example.
[19:16] <Frozenthia> Microsoft and Apple turn their ears off when they hear that I'm using another OS.
[19:17] <cfhowlett> Frozenthia, so disable the driver before you boot windows, enable for ubuntu.  FTFY
[19:21] <TheSheep> well, don't say it then, it's not related to linux anyways most likely
[19:21] <TheSheep> aw, he's gone
[19:46] <melt7777> ubuntu is the windows of linux. :)
[19:46] <knome> melt7777, do you have a support question?
[19:47] <melt7777> oftentimes i do, but i also idle in case i see a question i can help someone with, and occasionally have something amusing to say
[19:47] <knome> melt7777, general chatter at #xubuntu-offtopic
[19:48] <melt7777> mmhmm
[20:15] <Kekai> I Originally had Lubuntu on this system, but installed Xubuntu Via terminal "sudo apt-get install Xubuntu-desktop". I have now have gotten rid of all traces of lubuntu (Even my start up screen is Xubuntu.) So what happens now when I upgrade? Will the upgrade to 14.04 make it officially xubuntu?
[20:15] <baizon> Kekai: you will upgrade xubuntu and lubuntu also
[20:16] <Kekai> but Lubuntu isnt to be found on my system
[20:16] <baizon> Kekai: did you remove it?
[20:16] <baizon> can you chose an lubuntu session?
[20:18] <Kekai> I used the "Get back to a pure XCFE" page
[20:18] <baizon> a ok
[20:18] <Kekai> It can not be chosen from the login screen
[20:19] <Kekai> I only have "XCFE" and "Xubuntu Session"
[20:19] <baizon> Kekai: why do you think you will have a "real" xubuntu after an upgrade?
[20:19] <baizon> if you have it now, you will have it also after the upgrade
[20:20] <Kekai> i have no idea
[20:20] <knome> it is an awkward question anyway
[20:20] <Kekai> This is the first time I have switched OS via terminal
[20:20] <knome> you will have "ubuntu" with xubuntu packages installed
[20:20] <knome> there is no "official" xubuntu installation, or at least not any specific packages that a system should/shouldn't have
[20:21] <Kekai> ok
[20:21] <knome> there is just the official xubuntu ISO, and after installation, it is "just" a customized ubuntu installation anyway
[20:21] <Kekai> okay
[20:22] <Kekai> I thought t have a pure Xubuntu OS I would have to do a fresh install
[20:22] <baizon> Kekai: no need
[20:22] <Kekai> but I dont have to do anything
[20:22] <Kekai> Okay thank you
[20:22] <baizon> you can install ubuntu and then install xubuntu afterwards
[20:22] <baizon> np
[20:22] <Kekai> um no
[20:22] <Kekai> Im sorry Ubuntu is good
[20:23] <Kekai> but its a power hungry resource hungry OS
[20:23] <baizon> Kekai: i mean you have the possibility
[20:23] <Kekai> mhm
[20:23] <baizon> you can have ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, etc. on your system
[20:24] <Kekai> I only switched because Ubuntu needed more ram than I could give it
[20:24] <baizon> Kekai: yes thats a valid reason :)
[20:25] <Kekai> i only found Xubuntu because my Ex GF had it on her laptop
[20:29] <arrith> she has good taste
[20:37] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic is for general chatter. thanks!
[21:03] <StrangeRat> hello i have a 128 gb ssd and a 750 hdd i am trying to install in addition i have win7 installed on 64 gb ssd i am not sure how to partition xubuntu on the ssd and hdd and i dont know where to put the boot loader?
[21:04] <StrangeRat> thank you in advance
[21:04] <arrith> StrangeRat: you currently run off a 64 GB SSD and you are installing those two new drives?
[21:05] <StrangeRat> yes i have (1) 64gb ssd for windows cuz i barely use it
[21:05] <arrith> StrangeRat: is that the only drive you use currently?
[21:05] <StrangeRat> this is a fresh install
[21:06] <StrangeRat> i just plugged it in and installed bare bones win7
[21:06] <arrith> oh ok
[21:06] <arrith> StrangeRat: are you familiar with setting your boot device in your bios?
[21:06] <StrangeRat> i have another 64gb for it if you rhink thats good
[21:06] <StrangeRat> yes i am
[21:06] <StrangeRat> its just alot of drives lol
[21:06] <arrith> it is
[21:06] <StrangeRat> overwhelming
[21:07] <arrith> ok so it doesn't matter where you boot your boot device. ssd would be faster of course, so i would recommend one of the SSDs. just make sure on whichever drive you install the bootloader, the bios is set to try to boot from that drive
[21:07] <arrith> doesn't matter where you put your bootloader*
[21:07] <StrangeRat> ok
[21:07] <StrangeRat> cool
[21:07] <StrangeRat> so i could just let xubuntu default it
[21:08] <StrangeRat> during installi mean
[21:08] <arrith> StrangeRat: sure, that should work, if that drive is set as your boot device in your bios
[21:08] <StrangeRat> oh! i see whatya mean
[21:08] <arrith> the drive you're installing xubuntu to i mean
[21:08] <StrangeRat> ok got it
[21:08] <StrangeRat> yup
[21:08] <arrith> if you have multiple linux installs it can get a bit complicated keeping your grub menu up to date
[21:08] <StrangeRat> i do not
[21:08] <arrith> ah ok, that's simplifies things
[21:08] <StrangeRat> i just want xubuntu and win 7
[21:09] <StrangeRat> and i have win7 on a 64 gb ssd so far
[21:09] <arrith> make sure that your windows drive is plugged in when you install xubuntu so grub can detect it and add it to your boot menu. but of course be careful to not install xubuntu over it :P
[21:09] <StrangeRat> and i have remaing  128 gb ssd and a 750 gb hdd
[21:09] <StrangeRat> ok no prob i have the install menu up now
[21:09] <arrith> yeah. i would give xubuntu that 128 GB SSD and use the 750 GB hdd for data
[21:10] <StrangeRat> ok so just let xubuntu install on 128 and put like /home on hdd/
[21:10] <arrith> StrangeRat: sure that would work
[21:10] <StrangeRat> ok phew that seems so simpple lol
[21:10] <arrith> :)
[21:10] <arrith> though hopefully you have a backup drive big enough to accommodate all of these other drives
[21:11] <StrangeRat> yes i do i hae 10 tb backup drive that everything backs up to automatically each day
[21:11] <arrith> wow fancy
[21:11] <arrith> StrangeRat: is that a NAS or a server?
[21:11] <StrangeRat> lol just lucky im a scavenger
[21:11] <StrangeRat> nas
[21:11] <arrith> StrangeRat: unraid/drobo?
[21:12] <StrangeRat> unraid
[21:12] <arrith> ah yea
[21:12] <arrith> those are popular
[21:12] <StrangeRat> :D
[21:12] <arrith> how many drives?
[21:12] <StrangeRat> 10
[21:12] <arrith> ah wow. that must be a packed chassis
[21:12] <StrangeRat> i think i cant remeber it was awhile ago
[21:12] <StrangeRat> well its a frankenstein
[21:13] <arrith> haha. are all the drives screwed in? or are some free?
[21:13] <StrangeRat> i work at a security /surveillance company and they throw stuff constantly\
[21:13] <StrangeRat> all on hot swap bays
[21:13] <StrangeRat> slides
[21:13] <arrith> oh that's good access to older drives. you might try experimenting with zfsonlinux one day
[21:13] <arrith> wow
[21:13] <arrith> what chassis?
[21:13] <arrith> norco?
[21:13] <StrangeRat> ohhhhh
[21:14] <StrangeRat> i THINK norco
[21:14] <StrangeRat> not sure
[21:14] <arrith> does it have 20 or 24 bays?
[21:14] <StrangeRat> 20
[21:14] <StrangeRat> i know that much
[21:14] <arrith> ah yeah, 4020 norco possibly
[21:14] <StrangeRat> oooo you so smart
[21:14] <StrangeRat> haha
[21:14] <arrith> btw a more-ideal backup setup is following the '3 2 1' rule:
[21:15] <arrith> 3 copies of anything you care about - Two isn't enough if it's important.
[21:15] <arrith> 2 different formats - Example: Dropbox+DVDs or Hard Drive+Memory Stick or CD+Crash Plan, or more
[21:15] <arrith> 1 off-site backup - If the house burns down, how will you get your memories back?
[21:15] <arrith> for lots of data that isn't always possible. personally i'm not able to do that for everything, but it's something to aspire to
[21:15] <StrangeRat> oh nice advice thank you
[21:15] <StrangeRat> hmm yeah really really good point
[21:15] <arrith> generally the most important data is only like less than a gigabyte, stuff like documents and a few pictures
[21:16] <StrangeRat> well ok so xubuntu on 128 and /home on 750 hdd
[21:16] <arrith> i use a combination of google drive, harddrives and usb thumb drives
[21:16] <arrith> StrangeRat: yeah i'd say that sounds good
[21:16] <StrangeRat> and that leaves an extra 64 gb ssd should i use that for extra storage on win7?
[21:16] <arrith> StrangeRat: oh right the extra 64 GB SSD hm
[21:17] <arrith> StrangeRat: you can look into setting that up as a cache to speed up general operations on linux
[21:17] <StrangeRat> the only thing im doing withj win7 is a few games that arent linux compatible
[21:17] <StrangeRat> ok so im probably ok with just 64gb on win7 huh
[21:18] <arrith> StrangeRat: i think so. though games these days are getting pretty big. new one i saw had just like 20-25 gigs for the install media. though for games that take 7-10 gigs that's about 6 games
[21:18] <arrith> StrangeRat: you could split the 750 gig and use some of it for windows
[21:18] <StrangeRat> most y ames on steam are linux compatible
[21:18] <StrangeRat> i like the whole speed thingtho you suggested
[21:19] <arrith> StrangeRat: names of stuff for linux caching:  bcache  and  dm-cache
[21:19] <arrith> been meaning to do that myself. as i have some like 16 gig or 32 gig ssd thing that came with my laptop
[21:20] <StrangeRat> ok cool hmm that sounds a lil confusing do you think i should do that ?
[21:20] <arrith> https://www.google.com/#q=linux+ssd+cache
[21:20] <arrith> StrangeRat: well for your own education
[21:20] <arrith> StrangeRat: you can keep the 64gig around for uhm, i guess data for windows or something
[21:20] <arrith> depends on if you need xubuntu or windows to be faster
[21:20] <StrangeRat> oh nice thank you
[21:21] <StrangeRat> ok befroe i hit the install button ... is the /home on hdd going to be logical right?
[21:21] <StrangeRat> well ill spend more time on linux
[21:21] <arrith> personally i've gotten away with just using xp in a vm when i have to do some windows thing. Wine has actually worked pretty well otherwise
[21:22] <StrangeRat> oh really?!
[21:22] <StrangeRat> well heck
[21:22] <arrith> StrangeRat: all depends on how you do your data setup. like /home on the hdd will be slower than an ssd, so personally i'd probably put everything, including home, on that 128 gig hdd
[21:22] <StrangeRat> im only trying to play one game on win7
[21:22] <arrith> but then periodically you have to manually move stuff to the 750 gig thing
[21:22] <StrangeRat> hmmm ok
[21:22] <arrith> oh hah
[21:22] <StrangeRat> openspades
[21:22] <arrith> convenience/speed tradeoff
[21:22] <arrith> eh
[21:22] <StrangeRat> but its a night mare to install on linux
[21:23] <StrangeRat> or i would
[21:23] <arrith> StrangeRat: under wine? or does it have a linux version?
[21:23] <StrangeRat> well actually its the readmer file for the install ive been stuck for a month
[21:23] <StrangeRat> it has a linux version
[21:23] <StrangeRat> windows grosses me out so i mean if i can get it runnning under xubuntu
[21:24] <arrith> StrangeRat: if they have a linux version you might try asking in their irc channel or mailing list for help installing it
[21:24] <StrangeRat> man this was waay more productive then i thought it would be lol
[21:24] <arrith> since actually
[21:24] <StrangeRat> i did thwy said if you dont know then you dont deserve to use it
[21:24] <arrith> aw
[21:24] <arrith> well, i can try to help
[21:24] <arrith> you should software raid stripe (raid 0) those two 64 gig SSDs for xubuntu
[21:24] <StrangeRat> ill link you to it if you get it running on my linux ill mail you a ssd
[21:24] <arrith> then store your xubuntu data on the 128 gig
[21:24] <arrith> hah
[21:24] <StrangeRat> oooooo
[21:24] <arrith> i'll hold you to that :P
[21:25] <StrangeRat> i am serious
[21:25] <StrangeRat> i have 5 more ssds
[21:25] <arrith> haha
[21:25] <arrith> dunno how fast your cpu is but striped SSDs are wicked fast
[21:25] <StrangeRat> 64 gb m4 crucials
[21:25] <arrith> ah interesting
[21:25] <StrangeRat> 4.2 ghz i3 and 16 gb corsair ram
[21:25] <StrangeRat> 2x 660 ti nvidia
[21:26] <arrith> happen to know the cpu model #? if it starts with a 2, 3 or 4?
[21:26] <StrangeRat> hmmm not sure ill have to look it up
[21:26] <arrith> mk
[21:26] <StrangeRat> but yeah man ill just do the raid
[21:26] <arrith> i3, not totally sure
[21:26] <StrangeRat> but i have no idea
[21:26] <arrith> yeah raid sounds pretty neat
[21:26] <StrangeRat> its overcloked
[21:26] <arrith> hah yeah 4.2 ghz sounds wild
[21:26] <arrith> prob dual core i think
[21:27] <StrangeRat> but do i really get more speed from raid 0?
[21:27] <arrith> might have to move over to the #xubuntu-offtopic for stuff about that game btw
[21:27] <arrith> you do definitely, if your mobo/cpu can handle it
[21:27] <StrangeRat> ok thats totally fine
[21:27] <StrangeRat> ok ya it should
[21:27] <StrangeRat> here ill move over and out of the way :)
[21:27] <StrangeRat> well wait
[21:27] <arrith> but ofc you should keep regular backups since its risky. no data protection
[21:27] <StrangeRat> would you mind helping
[21:27] <arrith> yea sure
[21:27] <StrangeRat> me with the raid?
[21:27] <arrith> anything xubuntu related can be in here
[21:27] <arrith> yeah
[21:28] <StrangeRat> thanx soo much
[21:28] <arrith> StrangeRat: are you installing 13.10?
[21:28] <StrangeRat> yes
[21:28] <arrith> i haven't installed that yet myself, keep meaning to get around to doing it, so i'm not totally familiar with the installer. it might have something for raid
[21:28] <arrith> StrangeRat: do you have all of your drives connected?
[21:29] <StrangeRat> i did but i just booted down cuz i wont need the windows
[21:30] <StrangeRat> should i plug them all in a certain way ?
[21:30] <StrangeRat> like start with the 128 ?
[21:30] <arrith> ah, well for simplicity might make sense to connect them all. ideally like if you have four sata ports, i'd do the two 64 GBs first, then then 128, then the 750
[21:30] <arrith> eh
[21:30] <arrith> i'd put the ones you plan to use the most at the front
[21:30] <StrangeRat> ok no prob itll take 30 secs
[21:35] <arrith> StrangeRat: i forget how the web client works but you can be in two irc channels at once
[21:35] <StrangeRat> ok back
[21:36] <StrangeRat> everything is situated
[21:36] <arrith> StrangeRat: as in you can join #xubuntu-offtopic by typing:    /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:36] <arrith> soudns good
[21:36] <StrangeRat> do you want me in here?
[21:36] <StrangeRat> or in the other
[21:36] <StrangeRat> got it im in both now
[21:36] <arrith> StrangeRat: xubuntu stuff here, game stuff in the other
[21:37] <StrangeRat> yes sir
[21:38] <arrith> StrangeRat: arite so doin some quick googling, i'm not totally sure if the installer has anything for raid in xubuntu 13.10. have you seen anything about raid when you went partway though it recently?
[21:38] <StrangeRat> i actually think there was something in the options
[21:39] <arrith> hm, ideally i'd like to fire up a vm but i need to close some chromium tabs first
[21:39] <StrangeRat> http://buildandshoot.com/chat.php
[21:40] <StrangeRat> and the channel is #openspades
[22:32] <xubuntu496> How do I fix this: bug soft lockup - CPU stuck for 23s!?
[22:35] <hann3s> some googleing suggests its a kernel problem. could you paste your syslog?
[22:36] <hann3s> a lshw can't harm as well :)
[22:38] <xubuntu496> This problem occurs when I try to install xubuntu on Virtualbox and no log of it
[22:40] <hann3s> hmm, interesting. Before we proceed, have you validated the file with the md5 cheksum?
[23:33] <bumpy> is there any way to determine whether an upgrade will require a restart?
[23:49] <dcu> probably depends on how you define "require"
[23:51] <bumpy> you're not risking any damage if you don't restart? i dont know much about operating systems
[23:51] <bumpy> but i'm referring to the message you sometimes get that you need to restart
[23:53] <dcu> thats most likely the case if there were some kernel update
[23:54] <dcu> and you do not really have to reboot then afaik
[23:55] <bumpy> so a kernel update wouldn't take affect until after a reboot
[23:55] <bumpy> couldn't
[23:57] <dcu> yes
[23:59] <bumpy> thanks dcu
[23:59] <dcu> no problem