[01:38] <cwayne> fginther, ping
[01:41] <fginther> cwayne, pong
[01:42] <cwayne> fginther, hey, about http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/savilerow-trusty again -- can we get a fresh branch of lp:savilerow on that machine?
[01:42] <cwayne> we made a new trunk to get around a ridicuously messed up bzr history, so a bzr pull isnt properly working
[01:44] <fginther> cwayne, I can clear the existing branch again, not a big deal
[01:47] <jhodapp|afk> vthompson, can't wait to get the core apps using the media-hub by default :)
[01:47] <fginther> cwayne, is the branch ready now? if so I'll kick a build
[01:48] <jhodapp|afk> vthompson, I'm very close to getting the video portion working which means landing media-hub won't be long after that
[01:50] <vthompson> jhodapp|afk, awesome. I'm looking at the API again now in prep for our discussion at vUDS tomorrow. I tried installing from trunk, but there were a number of dependencies I don't have... Is there a PPA somewhere?
[01:50] <cwayne> fginther, yep
[01:51] <jhodapp|afk> vthompson, not yet no, the media-hub packaging is needing review (by me)
[01:53] <vthompson> jhodapp, ok cool
[01:53] <jhodapp> vthompson, I hope to get video working tomorrow and ricmm will have background playlist support working soon too
[01:54] <jhodapp> vthompson, once we have both of those, media-hub can become default
[01:56] <vthompson> jhodapp, awesome. I think we can go through the migration without any growing pains as well. Once the media-hub lands, the music-app can release an update with QtPowerd set to off.
[01:56] <vthompson> This should prove that we are working outside the lifecycle exception we have.
[01:56] <jhodapp> vthompson, indeed...I'll definitely ping you while we land media-hub...I've been doing a lot of testing with both mediaplayer-app and music-app
[01:56] <vthompson> Then we can quietly remove QtPowerd and the lifecycle exception in Unity
[01:57] <jhodapp> indeed
[01:57] <vthompson> When you test do you toggle QtPowerd to not keep the app alive?
[01:57] <jhodapp> vthompson, and ricmm is testing the playlist support mainly with music-app
[01:58] <jhodapp> vthompson, I haven't done anything with that yet, that's another thing I have to do still
[01:58] <vthompson> jhodapp, I'll have to ping ricmm then. I hope the transition is fairly easy.
[01:59] <jhodapp> vthompson, it should be very straightforward...he might even do the transition for you given that he needs to test this all out and music-app is the easiest way to do that
[01:59] <vthompson> jhodapp, lovely
[02:00] <jhodapp> vthompson, alright, I'm out...long day
[02:00] <vthompson> jhodapp, have a good night!
[02:00] <jhodapp> you too!
[02:24] <S-USA|UTouch> Has anyone filed a bug against wpa-supplicant for lack of WPA2 Enterprise support for Ubuntu Touch?
[07:16] <timppa> Morning!
[07:16] <timppa> with r235 few of the core apps don't open
[07:17] <timppa> don't know if there is a bug open already
[07:36] <timppa> Update manager hangs the phone, weather, notes, shorts, calculator, clock does not open
[08:00] <hikiko> hello :) are these instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install the most recent ones? will I have both mir + unity8 working after the installation or I ll need to install them separately? (thanks!)
[08:02] <timppa> hikiko: no need to install anything separately
[08:02] <timppa> hikiko: which handset/tablet you have?
[08:05] <hikiko> timppa, nexus galaxy
[08:06] <timppa> hikiko: so it's Maguro? Should work just fine
[08:07] <hikiko> great :) thanks!
[08:14] <didrocks> timppa: on r235, 236 should be published now, can you try to update it and confirm it works now?
[08:15] <timppa> didrocks: sure!
[08:15] <timppa> I was reading the ML, this was mentioned there
[08:15] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[08:15] <didrocks> I just kicked the image with the fix from Jamie this morning
[08:16] <didrocks> should be available now with an OTA update (files are here ;))
[08:16] <timppa> yes it is, updating now
[08:16] <didrocks> timppa: please keep me posted as the issue happens in very special cases :)
[08:16] <timppa> didrocks: I will
[08:17] <popey> oof
[08:17] <didrocks> popey: feeling better today?
[08:17] <popey> much
[08:17] <popey> now I have an ill daughter to look after
[08:17] <popey> uhm.. an issue with #236
[08:17]  * popey moves to the other channel
[08:17] <didrocks> popey: argh (and argh)
[08:20] <timppa> didrocks: notes is working, weather is working, clock is working, calculator is working
[08:20] <didrocks> sweet :)
[08:20] <timppa> shorts also
[08:20] <didrocks> ok, the fix seems to do it then
[08:21] <timppa> yes, thanks for the quick fix once again! :D
[08:21]  * timppa is a happy ubuntu user
[08:21] <didrocks> heh, nice, let's see if we can debunk popey's issue and I think we have  a promotion candidate :)
[08:22] <timppa> um, camera is having some weird problems, image is distorted and "sweeping" from left to right
[08:25] <didrocks> timppa: yeah, that's since we moved to 4.4, can happen if you rotate it and rotate it back too quickly (or unintentionnaly)
[08:25] <timppa> didrocks: I did not rotate
[08:26] <didrocks> timppa: sometimes, you do without noticing (and it rotates back immediatly), the threshold is too sensitive and we should fix that
[08:26] <timppa> didrocks: ok
[08:26] <timppa> good to know
[08:26] <didrocks> yeah, it's part of the "things that need polish" :)
[08:28] <timppa> didrocks: I think it's happening without rotation. I held the phone *very* firmly in upward position, the *sweeping* started after a while still
[08:28] <didrocks> timppa: oh? what device?
[08:29] <timppa> mako
[08:29] <didrocks> timppa: interesting, can't reproduce here
[08:29] <didrocks> but seeing what entered into the image, I would say not a new bug
[08:30] <didrocks> ohoh wait
[08:30] <didrocks> ok, I see what you mean
[08:30] <didrocks> yeah, it's known since the android 4.4 switch, same issue
[08:30] <timppa> ok
[08:30] <didrocks> I like that effect btw ;)
[08:30] <timppa> :)
[08:31] <didrocks> old movie-like + tearing on the image (shifting slowly in 2 pieces)
[08:31] <didrocks> if we wanted to do it, that wouldn't have been easy
[08:31] <timppa> :)
[08:31] <didrocks> it's clearly the ones the kind of issues popey likes, I'm sure ^
[08:32] <didrocks> s/the ones//
[08:34] <didrocks> starts to happen after having the app opened for a minute approx.
[08:34] <timppa> yes
[08:35] <timppa> this time it started in just 15 secs
[08:36] <didrocks> with the app killed first?
[08:36] <timppa> yes
[08:36] <didrocks> interesting
[08:36] <timppa> On my handset it starts more or less consistently after 15 seconds
[08:37] <didrocks> timppa: I'm not sure we have a bug for that one in particular, mind opening it? (I guess it should be against "android" ubuntu package in launchpad)
[08:38] <timppa> didrocks: I can do it but not right now, I have to run to meeting now...
[08:38] <didrocks> sure ;)
[09:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Kidney Day! :-D
[09:36] <timppa> didrocks: bug 1291879
[09:36] <didrocks> thanks timppa!
[09:37] <timppa> didrocks: np, glad I can help
[09:46] <t1mp> timppa: I confirmed the bug and commented on it
[10:09] <timppa> t1mp: ok, I did not check the stored image.
[10:55] <kayneo> where to download the ubuntu for android?
[11:00] <ogra_> kayneo, it has never been publically released
[11:01] <ogra_> ("Ubuntu for Android" is a product that vendors need to implement, it needs changes to the android system)
[11:03] <kayneo> ogra_, thank you
[11:03] <kayneo> and ubuntu for phone is only for nexus now?
[11:04] <t1mp> !devices | kayneo
[11:05] <kayneo> t1mp, what do u mean when you put a exclamation mark at the head?
[11:06] <t1mp> t1mp: ! is for the bot (ubot5) to pick up a command. In this case, send you the link to the wiki page with devices
[11:07] <t1mp> !devices | t1mp
[11:09] <kayneo> so I do a test
[11:10] <kayneo> !devices | t1mp
[11:10] <kayneo> ok, t1mp thank you ^^
[11:11] <kayneo> t1mp, how to see all the commands avilable?
[11:12] <t1mp> kayneo: I don't know. I just know devices :)
[11:22] <FuLgOrE_> hi guys. today I updated my hammerhead / N5 after around 2 weeks via apt-get. now I hang on the google screen. any good ideas? I already deleted the ~/.display-mir and made a reboot but this didn't solve my problem
[11:22] <FuLgOrE_> any further ideas?
[11:27] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:29]  * FuLgOrE_ is in GMT+8. good evening
[11:41] <ogra_> ooooh !
[11:41]  * ogra_ notices xnox updated the G+ app 
[11:42] <ogra_> bah, still doesnt work on flo :(
[11:42] <ogra_> hah, lol
[11:43] <ogra_> so i had the terminal app open with a "tail -f" of a logfile ... terminal was unfocused for the night ... focusing it again it replays the whole log from the night
[11:43] <FuLgOrE_> hi guys. any ideas how I can escape from the google-screen of my N5? I cannot switch it off and I cannot start the ubuntu overview. it just hangs. but I can access via ssh (I made apt-get dist-upgrade after 2 weeks)
[11:44] <ogra_> FuLgOrE_, well, apt-get dist-upgrade is not supported ... if you do it and it breaks you gotta keep the pieces
[11:45] <jussi> ogra_: what is the supported updating method ?
[11:46] <ogra_> jussi, system-image upgrades
[11:47] <jussi> ogra_: so a full reflash each time?  or?  (is this documented somewhere? )
[11:47] <ogra_> the system-image upgrade works with binary diffs
[11:47] <FuLgOrE_> does that work for N5 as well?
[11:48] <ogra_> so only the chnages are downloaded and installed ... (thats about 10x faster than upgrading package by package)
[11:48] <ogra_> FuLgOrE_, with Tassadars server it should
[11:48] <FuLgOrE_> okay, then I will have a try
[11:49] <ogra_> jussi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades
[11:49] <jussi> ogra_: so the method is documented somewhere? I dont see it on the install page.... ? (or am I blind :D)
[11:49] <jussi> hehe
[11:49] <jussi> ok
[11:49] <ogra_> well, you see that ubuntu-device-flash is the default method to install :)
[11:49] <ogra_> it uses images ;)
[11:53] <popey> jussi: just go to system-settings on the device and it will prompt you if there are updates
[11:53] <popey> you don't need to reflash every time
[11:53] <jussi> yep, got that nw. thanks :D
[11:54]  * jussi hugs popey and thanks ogra_
[11:54] <ogra_> :)
[12:26] <cwayne> is 5.2 still on track to land today?
[12:27] <t1mp> say yes, say yes :)
[12:37] <cwayne> cjwatson, thanks for the MP for savilerow :)  theres still an issue there though, as when you install a click to src/system/custom/click, the symlinks in .click/users/@all are wrong
[12:39] <cjwatson> cwayne: oh?
[12:40] <cwayne> cjwatson, yeah, they would then point to './src/system/custom/click/' but on the actual system would need to point to /custom/click
[12:40] <cjwatson> cwayne: oh, right, hmm
[12:40] <cjwatson> cwayne: can you file me a bug?  I'll want to think about that, maybe it's safe to just make them relative
[12:40] <cjwatson> (but I'll need to take some care about the transition if so)
[12:42] <cwayne> cjwatson, sure thing -- for the time being i was just fixing those symlinks manually in a script, but a proper fix would be most welcome :)
[12:44] <cjwatson> I think making them relative will be fairly easy, but there may be a couple of cases where I'm comparing exact symlink text
[12:45] <cwayne> hm, yeah
[12:47] <cjwatson> Also there are situations where a user registration in one database can point to an unpacked package in another database, so it's not entirely trivial
[12:50] <cwayne> cjwatson, ah, well either way, bug is now here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1291972
[12:51] <popey> beuno: can you look at the mail from Roman to the phone list please. there is some inconsistency in the store, showing an app as published but 404 in the dash on phone...
[12:52]  * Saviq needs to drop "@all" from the irc highlights...
[12:52] <cjwatson> cwayne: thanks, although it's better to describe the problem rather than the solution :)
[12:52] <cjwatson> anyway, I'll change it if need be
[12:53] <cwayne> fair enough :) ill change it today if i get some time, now need to prepare for meetings (what fun!)
[12:54] <beuno> popey, will do
[12:54] <popey> beuno: thanks
[12:58] <bmoore> I'm thinking of flashing my nexus 4, are there any pitfalls that might not be mentioned in the wiki?
[12:59] <ogra_> if you fall into any, we are here to help :)
[12:59] <bmoore> excellent. i mean, it is a spare device, but it'd still be a bummer to have a $200 paper weight
[13:00] <ogra_> (there shouldnt be any pitfalls, attach the unlocked device via USB, boot it into bootloader mode, run ubuntu-device-flash --channel trusty --bootstrap ...
[13:00] <ogra_> )
[13:00] <bmoore> making it easy
[13:05] <FuLgOrE_> around 2-3 hours and I have phablet-tools. poor internet connection....
[13:11] <JamesTait> popey, sorted.
[13:12] <popey> JamesTait: what was it?
[13:12] <FuLgOrE_> one question regarding switching over from manually flashed ubuntu on hammerhead to the ubuntu-device-flash... way. do I have to take care about something in advance? do I need to go back to android first, or can I keep everything like it is?
[13:13] <JamesTait> popey, we upgraded the units that run the back-end index in the early hours of this morning.  I'm not exactly sure why, but some data was missing from the index - departments and categories were missing as well.  We re-indexed everything and it all looks back to normal now.
[13:13] <JamesTait> popey, let the investigation commence. ;)
[13:20] <ogra_> FuLgOrE_, make sure the device is in bootloader mode and use --bootstrap as ubuntu-device-flash option
[13:27] <FuLgOrE_> ogra_: thx. I will do that
[13:27] <FuLgOrE_> I still have the mail from Tassadar ubuntu-device-flash --channel trusty --bootstrap=true
[13:27] <FuLgOrE_> --server="http://system-image.tasemnice.eu"
[13:28] <ogra_> yeah, sounds good
[13:28] <FuLgOrE_> but downloading the phablet-tools takes a lot of time from china via vpn...
[13:28] <ogra_> why do you download phablet-tools ?
[13:28] <ogra_> you only need ubuntu-device-flash
[13:28] <FuLgOrE_> oh, I thought it is included
[13:28] <ogra_> (which is a separate and very small package)
[13:29] <FuLgOrE_> with a ppa?
[13:29] <ogra_> same one
[13:29] <FuLgOrE_> oh, thx for the hint :D
[13:29] <ogra_> if you can get phablet-tools you should also be able to just apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash
[13:29] <FuLgOrE_> 1 minute instead of 2 hours :D
[13:29] <ogra_> ;)
[13:30] <dpm> hi rsalveti, I've got a question related somehow to media playing and jhodapp mentioned you might know. Do you happen to know where the shutter sound for the Qt Camera component comes from and how to deactivate it? I believe it is something we add on top of upstream Qt, but I cannot figure out where in the platform to look at.
[13:30] <dpm> The background being, I've got an app that does continuos camera shots and analyzes the images, and it's not so optimal to hear the shutter sound continuosly.
[13:30] <dpm> In the upstream docs there is no mention to this sound and there are no properties related to it, so I was wondering if it's something specific to Ubuntu, but I'm not sure where to look at or who to talk to
[13:31] <rsalveti> dpm: the sound file itself is available in the android system partition, and used by the app, let me find the code
[13:32] <dpm> rsalveti, ok cool. Note that I'm talking about the QML Camera component, not the camera app, though
[13:32] <dpm> that said, the camera app does use the QML Camera component too
[13:32] <ogra_> rsalveti, i assume we could do some kind of "reverse bind mounting" into the container to have it linked up with a file on the rootfs
[13:32] <rsalveti> qtubuntu-camera-0.3.3+13.10.20130919.2/src/aalimagecapturecontrol.cpp
[13:32] <rsalveti> m_audioPlayer->setMedia(QUrl::fromLocalFile("/system/media/audio/ui/camera_click.ogg"));
[13:32] <ogra_> so it would become configurable
[13:33] <rsalveti> I have no idea why they decided to put that sound part in the abstraction layer
[13:33] <rsalveti> instead of adding it to the app
[13:33] <jhodapp> rsalveti, yeah, I thought it'd be in the app too
[13:33] <rsalveti> ogra_: reverse mount is too complicated
[13:33] <rsalveti> ogra_: we need to improve the app to let it support different sounds
[13:34] <ogra_> or that .... reverse mount sounded somewhat easier to me :)
[13:34] <dpm> rsalveti, ok cool, that helps me further. I guess the answer is that the sound cannot be disabled for the QML Camera component, as it is in the abstraction layer
[13:34] <rsalveti> dpm: not at the moment, no
[13:34] <rsalveti> please open a bug for this
[13:35] <dpm> rsalveti, ok, thanks. What project is the best one to open the bug against?
[13:35] <rsalveti> dpm: against the qtubuntu-camera ubuntu package
[13:35] <rsalveti> and also link it to the camera-app project
[13:38] <FuLgOrE__> how to make image based updates? up to now I always used apt-get...
[13:38] <mterry> Where is u_application_instance_new_from_description_with_options called from (I know it lives in platform-api, but who calls it)?
[13:39] <mterry> Ah.. qtubuntu
[13:40] <ogra_> FuLgOrE__, just open the system-settings, it will offer you updates if there are new images
[13:43] <FuLgOrE__> ogra_: thx
[13:47] <dpm> rsalveti, jhodapp, ok, filed bug 1292003, thanks for your help
[13:48] <jhodapp> dpm, np
[13:49] <rsalveti> bfiller: can we get someone from your team to take a look at this bug later on? ^
[13:51] <alecu> cjwatson: hi! you mentioned "work in progress to convert it to use libclick". Is that for the vala scope or the c++ rewrite?
[13:57] <cjwatson> alecu: I'll convert whatever is in trunk at the point when I send it :)
[13:57] <cjwatson> alecu: if you have a "next" branch or similar that I should be working on instead, please point me at it
[13:58] <cjwatson> alecu: I'd obviously rather not do unnecessary/duplicate work
[13:59] <bfiller> rsalveti: we'll add it to the list :)
[13:59] <rsalveti> bfiller: :-) thanks
[14:16] <boiko> mterry: hey, just a heads up that the jenkins failure on your MR is expected, don't worry about that, I have an MR fixing that already
[14:16] <alecu> cjwatson: right now we have both the vala and c++ scope in the same trunk. The c++ scope uses the new scopes api, but that has not been landed on the image yet. It was used in the mwc demo, though.
[14:17] <mterry> boiko, yeah I wondered about that, figured it was transient
[14:17] <boiko> mterry: yep, the branch fixing that will be released together with your changes
[14:17] <cjwatson> alecu: is the C++ version there reasonably complete?  I think I spotted some bits that looked missing, but I don't remember what right now
[14:17] <alecu> cjwatson: it's still missing some bits, but we are actively working on that.
[14:17] <cjwatson> alecu: that is, would you prefer I just submitted patches to the C++ scope?  It'd be kind of hard for me to test right now
[14:17] <mterry> boiko, awesome, thanks
[14:18] <cjwatson> alecu: my previous plan had been to port both, but the C++ part would be effectively blind
[14:19] <alecu> cjwatson: the way to test the new scope is by installing the demo ppa. I can provide details if you need.
[14:19] <alecu> cjwatson: or, just pass me whatever patches you have and we can do that work on the new scope
[14:25] <wootdennis> Hey Guys, i have here a x86 tablet with a baytrail chip is it poossible to install ubuntu touch
[15:28] <t1mp> how do you reboot the phone without connecting it to a computer?
[15:29] <pmcgowan> t1mp, long press the power button
[15:29] <pmcgowan> there is no feedback but it does go off
[15:30] <t1mp> pmcgowan: ok, thanks
[15:55] <t1mp> in which lp project would I file a bug report to request a feature like "ask for password to unlock sim on startup"?
[15:56] <t1mp> I tend to forget that after rebooting
[15:57] <pmcgowan> t1mp, thats being worked on for sure, mterry could tell you
[16:01] <t1mp> pmcgowan: ok, thanks. The UT experience on Nexus4 is super smooth :) so that phone has my main sim card now
[16:01] <pmcgowan> t1mp, awesome
[16:04] <t1mp> hahaha. there is a flappy popey app?
[16:09] <t1mp> ^doesn't work though
[16:09] <janimo`> stgraber, do you have a summary of your analysis of overlay filesystems for device specific changes added to the ubuntu rootfs? I understand it had been evaluated before using the current solution
[16:11] <stgraber> janimo`: so the main concern was that maintaining overlayfs would be a major pain given that it's not mainstream and that all devices tend to come with their own kernel. So we preferred to stick with the same methods as are used by Android since we know those will work with the android kernels. Besides that, lack of inotify is one of the usual problems we'd bump into and there was also the concern of how to deal with merging between overlay
[16:12] <janimo`> stgraber, good enough, thanks
[16:14] <cyphermox> stgraber: is there a way I can properly modify writable paths on touch after install?
[16:14] <cyphermox> stgraber: I'm trying to add /var/lib/urfkill but apparently it still can't write its state file
[16:14] <stgraber> cyphermox: hmm, so you added it, rebooted and it's still not writable?
[16:15] <stgraber> cyphermox: might be worth looking at the generated /etc/fstab to see exactly what's going on
[16:16] <cyphermox> stgraber: ack
[16:16] <cyphermox> stgraber: yeah, I added it, I see that the directory got loop mounted now, since I had a file and it disappeared
[16:17] <cyphermox> but when I stop urfkilld it is supposed to write state and the file never appears
[16:19] <stgraber> cyphermox: hmm, check the permissions, though they should get automatically mirrored. If that's not it, then maybe urfkill is somehow starting before mountall (that'd be pretty bad)?
[16:19] <cyphermox> checking
[16:20] <stgraber> start on started udev
[16:20] <stgraber> that's wrong
[16:21] <stgraber> I suspect you at the very least want "and virtual-filesystems", possibly "and filesystems"
[16:22] <stgraber> since it looks like urfkill attempts to open its state file immediately at startup time and so has a dependency on /var/lib/urfkill being mounted
[17:00] <nik90> kalikiana: if you are around, that would be super helpful now
[17:00] <fps_> hello
[17:00] <fps_> can someone explain me how to install ubuntu-touch on alcatel OT 995
[17:01] <fps_> or is it possible to install
[17:02] <t1mp> !devices | fps_
[17:08] <cjwatson> Laney: is there any reasonable way I could time the click plugin bit of ubuntu-system-settings?
[17:12] <cjwatson> Laney: I have a libclickification of it that I'm ready to test (it compiles!  ship it!), but I'd like something better than stopwatch timing and lttng tracepoints sound like faff ...
[17:26] <jdstrand> cyphermox: I was told you know about what creates ~/.cache/upstart/mtp-server.log. I have a bug where it grows quickly to over 1G which fills /home and then I can't use my phone
[17:26] <jdstrand> cyphermox: what package should I file that against?
[17:26] <cyphermox> ahah cool
[17:26] <cyphermox> mtp
[17:26] <jdstrand> ack
[17:26] <cyphermox> yeah, you must have loads of stuff in the home directory
[17:27] <jdstrand> cyphermox: 8G of music
[17:27] <cyphermox> hahah yeah ;)
[17:29] <jdstrand> jeez, what is taking the other 4G in home?
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[17:29] <Chipaca> mhall119: ping?
[17:34] <ogra_> cyphermox, yeah, we kind of have a lot of debug output in mtp
[17:35]  * ogra_ was looking for a compile time option yesterday ... but i couldnt find on 
[17:35] <ogra_> e
[17:36] <Shakor> How do I fix the keyboard borking out everytime when I want to type something?
[17:37] <ogra_> i guess you file a bug ...
[17:37] <ogra_> (against ubuntu-keyboard)
[17:37] <davmor2> jdstrand: .thunderbird :D
[17:38] <Shakor> omg, this is so ridiculous annoying. I want to smash the phone to the ground.
[17:38] <ogra_> what device is that ?
[17:38]  * ogra_ cant reproduce on any of flo, mako or manta)
[17:38] <Shakor> Nexus 4 with the latest images from Today.
[17:38] <Shakor> Mako yeah
[17:39] <ogra_> oh, i'm a few revisions behind ...
[17:39]  * ogra_ updates 
[17:39] <Shakor> ogra_:  So, when you go to accounts -> google. And want to enter your username. your keyboard works?
[17:39] <jdstrand> davmor2: not on my phone :)
[17:39] <Shakor> Yeah I had the exact same problem with the builds before Today.
[17:39] <ogra_> dunno, it works if i search for something or type an url into the browser
[17:40] <jdstrand> cyphermox: fyi, bug #1292127
[17:40] <ogra_> and i used it in the termianl today
[17:40] <davmor2> Shakor: works fine here
[17:41] <jdstrand> cyphermox: this is actually quite burdensome for me-- is there anyway I can disable the mtp logging locally? eg, go rw and tweak some file?
[17:41] <Shakor> davmor2: Alright so tell me what is different with your and my tel/build?
[17:41] <WebVisitor-6> hey guys. Did someone tryed to enable touchpad gestures on 14.04 ?
[17:41] <ogra_> jdstrand, try blantly adding ">/dev/null 2>&1" the the end of the exec line ?
[17:41] <cwayne> thomi, weird though.. why couldnt we just run the autopilot tests with sudo -iu phablet
[17:42] <cwayne> wouldn't that get the right upstart stuff setup anyway?
[17:42] <ogra_> or modify the logging capabilities of the upstart job
[17:42] <cyphermox> jdstrand: yeah, you could modify the /usr/share/upstart/sessions/mtp-server.conf file to redirect all output to /dev/null
[17:42] <davmor2> Shakor: no difference it's a standard build
[17:42] <Shakor> davmor2: exactly. Then why is my keyboard acting this crappy and yours is not? :)
[17:43] <jdstrand> ogra_: right, between that and what cyphermox gave, I'm there
[17:43] <davmor2> Shakor: are there any crash files in /var/crash
[17:43] <Shakor> davmor2: Can you please go to accounts and add an google account for testing? Try pressing the . on the keyboard while adding your username. See what happens.
[17:43] <ogra_> jdstrand, theoretically you should even be able to put an override job in /home/phablet somewhere ... so you dont need to make the phone writable
[17:44] <ogra_> Shakor, no issues for me after upgrade
[17:45] <jdstrand> ogra_: ah yes, I always forget about that
[17:45]  * jdstrand did it the other way for now
[17:45] <jussi> ogra_: where would I get the current kernel for N10?
[17:45] <ogra_> jussi, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/linux-manta/3.4.0-6.24
[17:46] <jussi> ogra_: thanks :)
[17:46] <Shakor> ...
[17:46] <davmor2> Shakor: yeap still works
[17:46] <ogra_> aha
[17:46] <ogra_> doesnt for me
[17:46] <ogra_> kbd doesnt come up at all when i focus the input
[17:47] <ogra_> seems to be specific to the google accounts page though
[17:47] <davmor2> ogra_: so I just clicked on username and typed in dfdfdfdfd. and it worked fine
[17:48] <thomi> cwayne: hmm?
[17:48] <ogra_> doesnt here
[17:48] <jussi> ogra_: Ive that same issue also, think popey mightve filed a bug...
[17:49] <ogra_> nd now i cant open accounts at all alymore
[17:49] <ogra_> *any
[17:49] <cwayne> thomi, just thinking through the custom theme AP failures
[17:49] <davmor2> ogra_: race condition maybe?  Let me reboot and see what happens
[17:49] <ogra_> davmor2, well, all other icons in system-settings seems to work ... accounts doesnt open anymore
[17:50]  * ogra_ reboots
[17:50] <davmor2> ogra_: did you close accounts?
[17:50] <ogra_> yes
[17:50] <thomi> cwayne: shall we tal kin #ubuntu-autopilot after the next UDS session?
[17:50] <davmor2> that's why there is a bug for that
[17:50] <ogra_> ah, k
[17:50] <ogra_> but not for the kbd focus
[17:50] <cwayne> thomi, sure
[17:50] <ogra_> or is there one as well
[17:51] <davmor2> ogra_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1273781
[17:52] <ogra_> ok, after reboot it worked just fine
[17:52] <ogra_> first attempt didnt though
[17:52] <ogra_> Shakor, ^^^
[17:52] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah it will till you close it again :)
[17:53] <ogra_> davmor2, well, it didnt work on first attempt last time
[17:53] <ogra_> the keyboard didnt show up at all
[17:56] <davmor2> ogra_, Shakor: http://ubuntuone.com/4V8YDSnHsvXT0l5pxDkUc7
[17:56] <jdstrand> huh
[17:56] <jdstrand> df -h reports I'm using 12G in /home
[17:56] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah, worked fine for me on second boot as well
[17:57] <ogra_> but not the first time
[17:57] <jdstrand> yet, du -sh /home reports only 8G
[17:57] <ogra_> jdstrand, du doesnt cound dotted subdirs by default
[17:58] <ogra_> so you are missing the logs
[17:58] <timppa> davmor2, ogra_ which build is affected by this bug 1273781 ?
[17:58] <jdstrand> ogra_: I know, that is why I did it on /home
[17:58] <ogra_> timppa, i just had it on the latest 236 iirc
[17:58] <davmor2> timppa: Any from 150 iirc
[17:58] <timppa> ogra_: I cannot reproduce it, it's just working
[17:58] <ogra_> jdstrand, how does that help with /home/phablet/.cache ?
[17:59] <jdstrand> du -sh /home will recurse all of /home, no?
[17:59] <ogra_> i thought only unhidden dirs
[17:59] <jdstrand> as opposed to du -sh /home/phablet/*
[17:59] <timppa> davmor2, ogra_ it's a bit slow to open but it does work :)
[18:00] <davmor2> timppa: open settings, choose accounts, long swipe from the right, close both from the dash, open settings, try opening accounts
[18:00] <ogra_> timppa, well, i cant open it again here
[18:01] <ogra_> jdstrand, the fact that the partition used for /home is also the same that all writable pieces of the rootfs live in might have some influence on the values though :)
[18:01] <jdstrand> but, I did du on all the hidden directories anyway, and they don't add up to 4G
[18:02] <jdstrand> ah, that is the bit I was missing
[18:02] <timppa> davmor2, ogra_ nevermind my mumbling, it does not work. I did not close the settings...
[18:02] <ogra_> try: mount
[18:02] <jdstrand> right, I just did that
[18:02] <ogra_> and then try to not dream of it tonight :)
[18:02] <davmor2> timppa: Yay!
[18:02] <jdstrand> I am not at all used to all this mounting...
[18:10] <asomething> I still haven't been able to use the emulator. Has anyone else hit this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/goget-ubuntu-touch/+bug/1284732
[18:11] <timppa> there was some kind of discussion regarding Qt5.2 landing earlier, is going to be on tomorrows image? :)
[18:12] <Shakor> davmor2: lol. Nice pic..
[18:12] <Shakor> davmor2: still do not understand why my keyboard dissapears when pressing the . or some other keys
[18:13] <Shakor> On what bootloader radio firmware are u running the mako build?
[18:17] <Shakor> I will try a earlier one: 4.2.2 (JDQ39)  see if that fixes it.
[18:21] <Shakor> same crap
[18:28] <popey> JamesTait / beuno did you break the store again? I'm getting "No manifest found for app_id": <appname>
[18:29]  * popey reboots and tries again
[18:30] <JamesTait> popey, nothing to do with me this time!
[18:34] <beuno> popey, that sounds like a local problem
[18:35] <popey> DEBUG   18:33:56: rnrclient.vala:113: Getting reviews from URL: https://reviews.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0/reviews/filter/en_US/(null)/click/1.0.5/(null)/
[18:35] <popey> yeah
[18:36] <sil2100> pitti:
[18:36] <sil2100> pitti: hello!
[18:37] <sil2100> pitti: so, we seem to be having a problem with a crash on one (or more) of the ubuntu-system-settings tests
[18:37] <sil2100> pitti: I'll send you an e-mail with the details maybe if you're not around ;)
[18:38] <rsalveti> popey: ping cjwatson
[18:38] <rsalveti> he should know
[18:38] <popey> was filing a bug
[18:38] <cjwatson> rsalveti: you sure about that?
[18:38] <rsalveti> cjwatson: you know everything
[18:38] <rsalveti> :P
[18:39] <cjwatson> rsalveti: this is a scope thing ... you probably want alecu
[18:39] <rsalveti> but coming from the vala client it seems
[18:39] <rsalveti> oh, is that vala as well?
[18:39]  * alecu looks
[18:39] <cjwatson> well, it calls "click list --manifest", you could check whether that returns reasonable results
[18:40] <cjwatson> might be app-dependent though
[18:40] <rsalveti> would think the review is more static, and part of our store/scope
[18:40] <alecu> popey: for what app is this happening?
[18:41] <Shakor> Which exact bootloader and radio firmware versions is supported on touch for device mako?
[18:41] <rsalveti> Shakor: latest is fine (4.4.2)
[18:41] <rsalveti> if you also flash latest ubuntu-touch
[18:41] <popey> alecu: i cant install new apps on #236
[18:41] <Shakor> rsalveti: I did flash latest, but after flashing latest 4.4.2 I have a black screen, ubuntu not booting up
[18:43] <rsalveti> Shakor: which channel did you use?
[18:43] <rsalveti> how did you flash it?
[18:43] <asomething> is there a better channel to ask about the emulator in?
[18:43] <rsalveti> stable will still get the older image
[18:43] <rsalveti> trusty should get you the one compatible with 4.4.2
[18:43] <Shakor> rsalveti: channel?
[18:43] <rsalveti> Shakor: how did you flash the device?
[18:43] <rsalveti> asomething: just ask
[18:44] <Shakor> rsalveti: the firmwares with fastboot. And the ubuntu files: boot, system also with fastboot. The other 2 files through recovery.
[18:45] <asomething> rsalveti, already did further up, but essentially LP: #1284732
[18:45] <rsalveti> Shakor: oh, that's not supported anymore
[18:45] <rsalveti> so I believe you ended up flashing an older image
[18:45] <cjwatson> rsalveti: Well, I don't know about reviews, those are even less anything to do with me.  I was referring to the "No manifest found" bit
[18:45] <Shakor> rsalveti: ??? no I flashed the images from Today
[18:45] <Shakor> rsalveti: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[18:46] <rsalveti> Shakor: hm, have adb at least/
[18:46] <rsalveti> ?
[18:46] <rsalveti> to check for logs
[18:47] <Shakor> rsalveti: yep adb shell works
[18:47] <rsalveti> Shakor: grab me logs from dmesg and /system/bin/logcat
[18:47] <asomething> it's a complete show stopper for me, and I don't know how to go about debugging it. does ubuntu-emulator have any kind of undocumented --verbose or --debug flag?
[18:47] <Shakor> rsalveti: lots of: [  538.574027] pil pil3: dsps: Failed to locate dsps.mdt [  538.574271] dsps_load: fail to load DSPS firmware dsps.
[18:47] <rsalveti> sergiusens: do you know if the older goldfish channel was disabled?
[18:47] <popey> alecu: bug 1292160
[18:48] <popey> davmor2: got a #236 clean (not 5.2) device handy?
[18:48] <rsalveti> sergiusens: check bug 1284732
[18:48] <sergiusens> rsalveti, I can't release; waiting for FFe to be approved
[18:48] <rsalveti> release what?
[18:48] <sergiusens> rsalveti, oh the channel
[18:48] <davmor2> popey: flo and I'm about to clean install mako
[18:48] <rsalveti> Shakor: uname -a
[18:49] <sergiusens> rsalveti, thought you mentioned the default channel in the ubuntu-emulator command
[18:49] <Shakor> rsalveti: Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.0-3-mako #21-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue Oct 8 13:11:48 UTC 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[18:49] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, the older package is still trying to grab from goldfish
[18:49] <rsalveti> Shakor: right, older kernel
[18:49] <rsalveti> Shakor: you need to flash latest boot.img as well
[18:49] <sergiusens> rsalveti, yeah, and I can't release; well; we can link a bug to it now ;-)
[18:49] <rsalveti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/trusty-preinstalled-boot-armhf+mako.img
[18:49] <sergiusens> and publish freely
[18:49] <rsalveti> fastboot flash boot trusty-preinstalled-boot-armhf+mako.img
[18:50] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right :-)
[18:50] <Shakor> rsalveti: I think I did that. I will try again
[18:50] <rsalveti> but I want to make sure we didn't break people that is using goldfish
[18:50] <rsalveti> let me try reproducing the bug
[18:50] <sergiusens> rsalveti, oh wait; that was actually released; just not in anything different than trusty
[18:51] <rsalveti> I have 0.2+14.04.20140227.1-0ubuntu1 here, which seems to work
[18:51] <mterry> tedg, saw your greeter-volume comments.  The 2nd and 3rd make sense, but for the 1st (check username), it doesn't actually work.  Technically, the greeter user is system-configurable.  Might not be 'lightdm'
[18:51] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah, it was released
[18:51] <ogra_> rsalveti, i havent released goldfish in a while ... people using it will get an old image
[18:51] <mterry> tedg, there is an environment variable we could check
[18:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti, just copie to precise and saucy
[18:52] <rsalveti> 0.2+14.04.20140227.1-0ubuntu1 is already using generic
[18:52] <ogra_> s/released/promoted/
[18:52] <Shakor> rsalveti: Thanks for the info, I need to go now. Will try to reflash everything again later on.
[18:52] <rsalveti> asomething opened the bug when using 0.2+14.04.20140224-0ubuntu1
[18:52] <sergiusens> Shakor, are you on trusty?
[18:52] <rsalveti> Shakor: np
[18:52] <ogra_> rsalveti, i was waiting for your signal to ping stgraber to remove it from the server
[18:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti, ok, it was removed?
[18:53] <rsalveti> not that I know
[18:53] <rsalveti> I didn't ask ogra_ to remove it at least :-)
[18:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti, I need to add a device flag for what it's worth; so it could be eventually worked around then
[18:53] <tedg> mterry, Wouldn't you have to change the lightdm packaging to change it?
[18:53] <popey> davmor2: can you reproduce bug 1292160 ?
[18:53] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right
[18:54] <tedg> mterry, I mean, the env var is fine, but man, it seems like something that is impractical to change.
[18:54] <rsalveti> asomething: you basically need to update your package with latest version
[18:54] <sergiusens> rsalveti, we still need it for x86 so double win
[18:54] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah
[18:55] <asomething> rsalveti, just updated the bug again. I'm on 0.2+14.04.20140310-0ubuntu1 w/ trusty now. Still erroring out w/ /devel-proposed/generic/version-236.tar.xz
[18:55] <ogra_> sergiusens, goldfish is on 226 (and will stay there) for the trusty channel
[18:57] <mterry> tedg, not the packaging.  It's a config field
[18:58] <cwayne> rsalveti, is it possible to boot the emulators into recovery?
[18:58] <rsalveti> that's weird, worked for me here
[18:58] <tedg> mterry, Don't you have to create/delete the user, etc?
[18:58] <cwayne> i.e. to add in a custom tar
[18:58] <rsalveti> cwayne: probably, just never did it
[18:58] <mterry> tedg, sure?  I mean, it's for sys admins and such
[18:58] <sergiusens> ogra_, emulator tracks the proposed channel
[18:58] <sergiusens> ogra_, at least until emu work stabilizes
[18:58] <davmor2> popey: just installed no issues here
[18:58] <sergiusens> it can be selected though
[18:59] <sergiusens> asomething, can I see the error? and have you used the sdk to create an image and cancelled mid way?
[19:01] <asomething> sergiusens, the full error is in the bug report. It's not particularly verbose
[19:01] <sergiusens> asomething, ok, I'll look soon
[19:01] <asomething> Cannot download {2af39677dc8c66d8998e1c7d6ecefc3e01f3f3709dc7578a397a3898919a6231 /devel-proposed/generic/version-236.tar.xz /devel-proposed/generic/version-236.tar.xz.asc %!s(int=352) %!s(int=2)}
[19:01] <ogra_> oh, why is that ?
[19:01] <ogra_> you will get all the broken images we dont consider usable then
[19:02] <asomething> it's possible that I canceled an attempt to create one...
[19:03] <sergiusens> asomething, check the permissions on ~/.cache/ubuntuimage and ~/.local/share/ubuntu-emulator
[19:03] <sergiusens> asomething, if anything is owned by root then that's the problem
[19:03] <mhall119> who broke the Google+ app?
[19:03] <sergiusens> ogra_, because for a long time the emulator was only on developer proposed
[19:03] <asomething> sergiusens, that seems to be it. I just ran 'rm -r ~/.cache/ubuntuimages/' and I needed sudo
[19:04] <asomething> it seems to be working now!
[19:04] <sergiusens> asomething, yeah, I need to add a better error message; but that's the sdk doing everything as root
[19:04] <asomething> sergiusens, thanks! I'll update the bug to reflect this
[19:40] <dansuf> Hi, lxc-android-config process is terminated in my phone during boot and I have problems finding any logs for this process. Where can I find them?
[19:42] <ogra_> dansuf, in /var/log/upstart there should be something
[19:43] <ogra_> and also in /var/log/lxc/android.log
[19:43] <dansuf> I didn't find any interesting things there
[19:43] <ogra_> and you can use /system/bin/logcat -d to get the logs from the container
[19:44] <dansuf> hmm, i'll try logcat but i think the android didnt even start
[20:15] <dansuf> ogra_, in the lxc/android.conf I have only that lxc_conf exited with status 1 and logcat shows that /dev/alog/main doesnt exist
[20:16] <dansuf> android wasnt even started, I suppose
[20:37] <alecu> popey: do you still have the same issue with 236 and installing apps? I can't reproduce it (mako)
[20:37] <alecu> popey: I was able to install the zttt app mentioned in the bug report, and a few others
[20:38] <popey> hmm
[20:38]  * popey tries again
[20:38] <alecu> popey: perhaps this had to do with the click package index troublesome deploy today
[20:38] <popey> nope, still broken
[20:39] <popey> and this is my main phone, it only runs stable, not proposed ☹
[20:40] <alecu> popey: is this happening with every other app?
[20:41] <popey> yes
[20:42] <alecu> popey: ah, I think I still have a newer scope version. Sorry about that, will check again.
[20:58] <dansuf> In the guide it is mentioned to run android-chroot to fix sensormanager bug but i don't know how to run that android-chroot command. Can you help me?
[22:11] <MrBlobby> Hello - I was reading the wiki on the Ubuntu Touch - I have a spare Nexus 7 (original, not the latest 2013 model). On the wiki it state that the 2013 model is under active development and that the original Nexus 7 is now deprecated - I just wanted to clarify - does that mean the original Nexus 7 is no longer supported for Ubuntu Touch, or not supported by Google?
[22:13] <mhall119> MrBlobby: not supported by Canonical (with Ubuntu) anymore
[22:16] <MrBlobby> mhall119: thanks for that. I'll not bothering with Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7 then in that case. When I have a spare *new* Nexus 7, I'll revisit :)
[22:40] <Markus__> Can you recommend a tablet that can run Ubunto touch ?
[22:41] <rsalveti> nexus 7 2013
[22:42] <Markus__> any tablet about 10 inch size or so ?
[22:42] <Markus__> I would like to use it as a table and als add keyboard sometimes
[23:36] <Mark_K> I'm having a problem. I've just installed Ubuntu Touch onto a 2013 Nexus 7, but I can't get it to connect to my wifi network, which has a hidden SSID.
[23:36] <Mark_K> I found this question describing a solution: http://askubuntu.com/questions/262155/how-do-i-connect-to-wireless-network-with-hidden-ssid-on-ubuntu-touch but because my desktop has a wired connection, I have no settings file to copy to the tablet.
[23:39] <Mark_K> If, however, I could see a sample configuration file - something I could edit manually and then copy over with phablet-network - I think that would solve it.
[23:56] <a_muva_> Mark_K: try this in terminal: iwconfig eth0 essid "hidden-ssid" key aaffbbcc667788112233449900
[23:59] <Mark_K> I get "SET failed on device eth0 ; Operation not supported."